Songs that use 19/8 time

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[@klaxoncow]

I love your 19/8 song at the end. I think you just proved that everyone else was in error from not attempting this one sooner, as it works exceedingly well. With the arpeggio that just skips a beat, unexpectedly on the fifth time round. It's a nice choice to subdivide that way, as it makes it not sound odd, even though it is. It's got that subtle "just feels a little bit off-kilter" but not obviously so. Just the right amount of "odd".

[@RobPrice-vy6kz]

Can’t wait for Karnivools Goliath in the 27/4 Video. Great job.

[@ethanholmes5677]

When are we going to get “Songs That Use 4/4 Time”? I’ve been waiting this whole time and David has been avoiding it so hard that he did 19/8 😔

[@BantheDan]

joking aside I'd actually be interested in 8/4 and 16/8. Some songs are 8/4 because they either are grouped 3 + 3 + 2 or because they alternate between 7/8 and 8/8 so it's easier to count than going to 4/4. Also I've seen a couple of songs that folk call 16/8 just because the phrasings are 16 beats.

[@toblexson5020]

It would be interesting to see songs that both heavily play into 4/4, and also songs that disguise their 4/4 time. Or even just different ways to play the bass (or drum, but Bennett is a pianist), with 4/4 time, because a lot of small variations have been developed due to how popular it is. A common one off the top of my head is adding a flourish to beat 3.

[@BantheDan]

but 99% of the time any exponent of 2 on the top people just write as 4/4. It needs a good reason to be written otherwise.

[@kyyla771]

@@toblexson5020 "Disguising 4/4"? This isn't a good example, as it does not exactly disguise it's 4/4, but anyway this sprung to mind: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2SlZZWkeNJjjdE Tuomari Nurmio - "Kauas tahdon matkustaa" (Finland 1981) - highly critically acclaimed but quite idiosyncratic record. I remember reading somewhere that directions for the drummer were something like "Take the forwards driving force of 2 and 4 in a 4/4 beat, and put them in 1 and 3, so it's more like holding back"

[@aresh.4341]

@@toblexson5020 If you haven't already, listen to Bonnie the Cat by Porcupine Tree. Still hard to believe it's in 4/4 with no tuplets

[@FinnFletcherWhite]

I think Sungazer’s ‘Threshold’ is a really awesome example of 19/16. Not 19/8 I know, just a personal favourite 19 time signature

[@phonetyx]

technically speaking, threshold is in 4/4 but every beat is a 19-tuplet. so in reality its basically 19/16

[@FinnFletcherWhite]

@@phonetyx I saw that in Adam Neely’s breakdown of the song (or Shawn Crowder’s, I’m not quite sure which one it was). Really interesting to think it was written in 4/4, I never would have expected that listening to it!

[@unohu3047]

@@FinnFletcherWhite That was the whole point of the Perihelion album really, exploring musical ambiguity and uncanny valleys.

[@GizzyDillespee]

My favorite 19 time is 19/7. And yes, my amp goes to 11. 🙄 Ever since they invented those, why would you buy an amp that only goes to 10?! Who the heck has a favorite 19 time signature?! You must be a drummer, sure, but even then?!!! Holy smokes. I don't even want to click on your name. I'm scared.

[@FinnFletcherWhite]

@@unohu3047 absolutely, my favourite example of that would probably have to be Macchina

[@joebykaeby]

The eerie melancholy of your song is a perfect fit for rhythmic structure that feels like it’s missing a tiny piece here and there

[@insania6776]

We want a full version of this final piece. The unachieved aspect of the time signature is really fitting the ambiance.

[@exitthelemming145]

Can't help but think the most important aspect of what determines a piece's meter is the phrase length e.g. in the last 19/4 example, to my ears, the phrase length is just four x 4 beat arpeggios followed by a three beat arpeggio. If you could come up with a musical phrase or melodic theme that breathes naturally over the entire span of a 19/4 measure then yes, your piece is in 19/4 otherwise it's just an arithmetical sleight of hand.

[@neonmeate8180]

Unachieve the aspect of deez nutz

[@josiek5989]

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard's song Shanghai melody is in 19/8 polymeter over 4/4 drums. Feels grouped as 4-4-4-4-3 to me. Love odd time!

[@atharvachoudhary6974]

I can't believe he didn't include Shanghai, the 19 beat riff over normal 4/4 drums are so interesting But you can argue it's in 19/4 but still. If you gotta make a time sig video better learn up on your Gizz, Tool and Genesis beforehand

[@zeyperson39]

the outro song to lw also has some breif 19/8

[@deft__12]

We gonna be getting songs in 23/32 at this rate 😭

[@lemonize30]

74/209

[@badenfitzmaurice9013]

New Millenium Cyanide Christ by Meshuggah is in 23/16. I think it loops 23/16 and 13/16 until it comes back around to 128/16, which divides down to 4/4. Crazy.

[@Fafa_Sauce]

Scratch that 1264/1880

[@lemonize30]

@@Fafa_Sauce a lot/good luck

[@Fafa_Sauce]

@@lemonize30 lmaoo

[@SotraEngine4]

The final song feels like a kind of grieving. Like, there is a rhythm, but then it is cut short, as like the loved one is just whisked away, completely sudden and unexpectedly

[@andrewpappas9311]

Rusty Cage has always been one of my favourite Soundgarden songs and never realized it was in 19, additionally I never even knew that 19/8 was even a time signature since I've never heard anything in it before but it definitely sounds interesting. Great video as always, David

[@pongop]

I didn't know it was either! Growing up, I mostly heard Soundgarden's singles, but a few years ago I heard some full albums and I didn't realize they played in different time signatures and styles! I hate the radio, MTV, and pop music. We miss out on all the best music!

[@GiveSic]

Thanks for sharing this! Would have never figured that out on my own

[@DeskLazer]

It's interesting, because I always heard it as 2x 6/4 and 1x 7/4 (and I actually thought it was 9/4 + 10/4 the first time!) David hears is at 3x 3/4 with 2x 5/4, which is not something I considered and changes the feel for me, in a cool way. Also @pongop, rusty cage was the first soundgarden song I ever heard, on radio! It was a killer single and introduced me to the rest of their catalogue.

[@kdub1242]

The guitar solo on Zappa's "Keep It Greasy" from the famous Joe's Garage album is in 19/16 time, grouped as 7+5+7. Vinnie Colaiuta's performance is astonishing (as usual), fluid and grooving. The verse is in 21/16, while the chorus is in 4/4. it's very much worth checking out.

[@jokubask5309]

It's nice to see zappa getting appreciated

[@hughstark4882]

I got joes garage acts II &III for my birthday last week so I’m a bit disappointed not to actually see it in the video. This comment is still great tho

[@rainbowrotcod]

hell yeah joes garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@brian1749]

That piece at the end is absolutely beautiful!!! Well done, sir!

[@wearetomorrowspast.5617]

I remember an interview with Bill Bruford where he was talking about fans telling him that he was one of the greatest rock/prog drummers. His response was: "I thought we were playing Jazz". Perfect. This vid has me thinking of writing a song in 21/12. Rush fans never sleep.

[@salty_3k506]

what does 21/12 even mean? 21 8th note triplets? or rather 7 triplets or just something in 7/4

[@wearetomorrowspast.5617]

@@salty_3k506 It's a Rush joke.

[@salty_3k506]

@@wearetomorrowspast.5617 hm okay. i guess i get it actually because their album is called 2112. could have noticed that myself actually lol. i was just too perplexed by what 21/21 would actually be as a time signature to think about the album.

[@spongyfungus]

David Bennett’s composition in 19/8 is absolutely gorgeous.. best part of the video, emotionally speaking.. 👌🏻

[@SuperIdiotMan00]

I could make Dream Theater addendums to every one of these videos, but a few I'll mention here is the outro of Home (last several bars are in 19/16, essentially 4/4+3/16 feel), and Pale Blue Dot (which goes from 4+4+4+4+3 to 3+3+3+3+3+4 in the intro)

[@MaydupNem]

I tried to learn home on drums, and the whole thing is easy except for the last part; that would screw me up every time

[@Rio_1111]

I never even noticed that about Pale Blue Dot. Very cool

[@mikaeldk5700]

Tool: "Pneuma". A total of 31/8, but everyone seems to hear the subdivisions different. A very interesting piece of music.

[@wozzywick]

I love this series of videos. I agree with the Chicago guy- anyone can write in an unusual time signature, it’s making it feel natural that’s impressive

[@adamsmith7058]

That's it exactly. It should appear completely natural rather than bolted on, like a Frankenstein monster, in order to appear clever. It should work as if the piece couldn't work any other way,

[@sharpphilip]

David, your original compositions after all of your recent odd time videos have been lovely. I do hope you’ll consider fleshing them out into full pieces one day and grouping them into an album!

[@adamsmith7058]

I'd pay money for that.

[@mintegral1719]

His own version of Time Out lol

[@bo77om]

David, that piece you wrote is amazing!!!!

[@diegowilliams1608]

I have been absolutely obsessed with Don Ellis recently. You could make an entire series dedicated to all of the weird time signatures he's used.

[@Zantor]

The way I learnt to count in 19/8 was Dream Theater's "Pale Blue Dot" the main riff is very clearly counted in 1, 2, 3, 4, 123

[@holdingpattern245]

I like this signature actually. You can make it really frantic by building it out of 3-segments, or really chill by building it out of 4-segments. It's got an addictive sound, I'm just tapping out 3 3 3 3 7 and switching it occasionally to 3 3 3 5 5 and it sounds wild, but if I try 4 4 4 4 3 or 4 4 4 7 then it settles into a chill groove, like 16 with a very relaxed ending. 7 7 5 is weird but I can imagine a pop song using it, it has a dance kind of rhythm to it.

[@PuppetMasterIX]

The outro of "Home" and the intro of "Pale Blue Dot", both by Dream Theater, are played in 19/16. In both cases they're essentially played as 4 4 4 4 3.

[@colinbaker3916]

Thank you for featuring Chicago. They became synonymous with simple ballads, but their earliest music is quite complex and satisfying.

[@adamsmith7058]

Lovely tune at the end. Filling it out in my mind, with a small string ensemble, languid extemporised fretless bass and suspended cymbals played with brushes. Sounds great as it is though, with a more minimal arrangement. Would love to hear this with a suite of other similar pieces.

[@brandonwootton5575]

A great example of 19/8 grouped 4, 4, 4, 4, 3 is Frank Zappa’s “Keep it greasy”. There are also many other great examples of esoteric music theory concepts in the song

[@ritz1119]

The piano piece in 19/8 time at the end is so beautiful!

[@RockStar85674]

Absolutely gorgeous outro and whole material itself! Thanks a lot!

[@SomethingWellesian]

I had a friend in college who wrote a piece for harp called Rising, named in honour the Irish rebellion of 1916, in 19/16 time. If I remember right, she built it so that it felt like a reel (two sets of eight quavers) with a “missed step” three semiquavers rounding off every bar.

[@petersvan7880]

Just seeing the title of this video made be smile. Why simple when it can be complicated? But well, great stuff analyzing these odd signatures! Beautiful piano piece at the end :)

[@maxwellclark2345]

Years ago I played with a Balkan / Klezmer band that wrote original music in addition to playing traditional and standards... We had a song called "559". You can probably guess what time signature that was in!

[@mattwhite399]

David, your piece at the end is remarkable! Please flesh out into a full production and release!

[@matthewdockray9745]

Can you make an album with all your odd time signature piano pieces? They’re sick

[@iancurry]

your composition at the end is hauntingly beautiful. i love the feel that the grouping you used provides.😀

[@xgc_ssb]

Animal As Leaders as been cited FINALLY, they are so talented

[@farn451]

Totally hear that Don Ellis track as 6/8/ 5/8 and 4/4. The first part swings and then straightens up to my ears.

[@criggie]

Your example shows it well - I hear it as the arpeggiato is just "stepping forward" occasionally but its still a even number/4 So the "first beat" becomes later in the rising sequence.

[@camcamgamer]

I absolutely love you videos. Keep Up The Great WORK!

[@DavidBennettPiano]

Thank you!

[@TyTheRegularMan]

So glad that Don Ellis is getting so much exposure! He's my favorite trumpeter and bandleader of all time.

[@jackmadden8234]

6:53 Although it's in 19/16 rather than 8 or 4, "Home" by Dream Theater is a good example of a song that uses the 4+4+4+4+3 subdivision.

[@AlyraMoondancer]

That piece you wrote there at the end is just beautiful, David. Thank you for a moment of sheer heaven. :)

[@TedThomasTT]

I didn't expect to see Tosin in a thumbnail 🤘

[@KaidenBird]

I see tosin I click

[@dylankempthorne]

I wish he talked more about them 😭

[@hfjjor3681]

And Terry Kath didn’t even know how to read or write music. Chicago’s trombonist, James Pankow, had to translate Terry’s ideas into the musical notes, rests, time signatures, etc. on paper. Otherwise it was just all in Kath’s head! For more in-depth info on how Introduction came to be, catch the documentary about Terry Kath that was done by his daughter Michelle Kath Sinclair in 2016 - Searching for Terry (AKA The Terry Kath Experience. )

[@clipsmasterproductions7479]

Man, your composition at the end is so weird and syncopated feeling in the best way!

[@NeonRadarMusic]

There's a long bit in the intro of Rival Sons' Look Away which is in 19/8. Quite an underrated band.

[@stepladderwick7056]

My favourite use of 19 in music has got to be the intro riff to Mike Oldfield's "Amarok" which is in 19/16 and kicks absolute ass!

[@patemblen3644]

I love your ending compositions, you are so consistently good man. Kudos.

[@TiredLowBrass8048]

for as weird as 19/8 is, I've played one song in 21/8 time, called Out of Tartarus. It comes from a game called hades, which is chock full of odd time signatures. If you need one more example for the ineveitable 21/8 video, then there we go.

[@TheSharkAnt]

I think 21/8 is similar to 9/8 and 15/8 in that it can be used as an odd meter or a compound meter.

[@TiredLowBrass8048]

@@TheSharkAnt Yeah, I think in one of these earlier vids about 7/4, he talked about how Money (I forget by who) was in shuffled 7/4, or could be written as 21/8. those sorts of odd compound meters are fun imo.

[@12gaugeStratigrad]

Petition to make DAW's allow you to use numerators and in some cases denominators above 16.

[@12gaugeStratigrad]

I'm aware i can easily notate long TS's by notating the bars to whatever Time Signature i need by accenting them, but i'm a freak, i wan't to subvert the listener.

[@0salum0]

certain songs in odd time have a jolting sound in their music and I feel like a great musician can help soothe this jolt

[@cakemartyr5794]

Very nice piece at the end. Thanks for featuring Bruford.

[@luchino9978]

The song at the end is beatiful ! Great job !

[@ngmelville]

As always, very eye-opening video; that song at the end was very superb. Your deconstruction is a great way to get motivated to write!

[@DavidBennettPiano]

😊 thank you!

[@MadSlantedPowers]

Love your tune at the end. It would fit in well with some of the ambient music I listen to, but would also be a great basis for a slow, melancholy rock song that builds up to some power chords.

[@tomaszmakowski2766]

happy every time Chicago gets credits 😊

[@BrokenWingman]

Great explanation! Also loved your piano piece at the end; very sad and beautiful.

[@Ivanskywaker]

Your song at the end is amazing! Beatiful and nostalgic, I can see it as the score of a movie of lost and hope

[@SamStormsKBD]

Another great video, not to mention the beautiful piece in the end 👏🏻

[@crim-jim6814]

Loved the song you made at the end, had a very spooky forresty vibe to it.

[@davidkelly4684]

Apologies if this has already been pointed out: 19/8 is a classical Hindustani time signature (sometimes designated 9.5/4) That great app _Indian Drummer_ (see kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXbRqGSBh7uCnqc) offers two talas (or taals, beat patterns) that conform to it: Kalawati and Sunand, The same goes for others in your great series: 11/8 is Char Ki Sawari or Rudra Taal; 13/8 is Ardha Jai Taal; 15/4 is Pancham Sawari. 15/8 (or 7.5/4) is Neel Taal. 17/8 (or 8.5/4) is Ashta Jhaptaal; 21/8 is Sardha Rupak Taal (Rupak Taal is 7/4). You can hear a fantastic Neel Taal here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmHJpJKcqrB7ars&pp=ygUJbmVlbCB0YWFs

[@mintegral1719]

If you ever feel compelled to continue this series, an early section of 'Methuselah's Children' by Moon Safari has alternating measures of 11/8 and 12/8, which you could definitely choose to count as 23/8 if you wanted to ;)

[@alfonzog6327]

The song 'Home' by Dream Theater has that grouping of four bars of 4/4 + one bar of 3/4, though it's so fast as to be more like 4/4+3/16

[@juanfenaranjo]

Such an amazing video David! I have one example from a band from Colombia that use traditional rythmes and Indian Taketina inspired theory, they have a song that holds many explanations of the use of rythm, but the interesting part of this, is that one of those explanations for the song, sais that they have a global mesure of 200/8. I know it sounds kind of crazy, but as I said, is just one of the many ways of explain the starting point in the strong pulse of rythm. So let me know if you are interested on this.

[@krismer7742]

i’ve been waiting to see Tosin in one of these thumbnails for YEARS

[@jonathansefcik473]

The main riff of Dream Theater's "Pale Blue Dot" is in 19/16. I know, not technically 19/8, but still an example of 19 beats per measure.

[@Jedward108]

Beautiful song you performed at the end.

[@Hakabas01]

Excellent explanation, and a nice tune at the end!

[@colins2]

Excellent video, loved your composition at the end!

[@gabrieletrovato3939]

Beautiful video as always. Please publish your piece in 19/8 on Spotify 🙏🏻

[@jimw6659]

Oh, thank you - Chicago Transit Authority is an amazing album… and I grew up playing Hell’s Bells - Bruford’s finest 😊

[@atanjacket]

Hey the explainer videos are awesome to showcase who has used different patterns in music, but the music you have done at the end of the videos that I have seen are great songs.

[@nbnewman]

Great video. As soon as I saw the title, I thought to myself "Hell's bells", so I'm pleased that you covered that piece of music. In what time signature would you consider to be the second half of the original version of "Matty Groves" by Fairport Convention (it's a tune called 'Famous flower of serving men')? I once sequenced the tune/riff and it came out with 19 beats.

[@adamsmith7058]

@5:19 That's my jam. When I used to DJ Jazz and Funk I'd drop this tune at the end, just to see if anybody could dance to it. My girl, at the time, who was part of an avant garde dance troupe managed it, along with her friends from the company. 0ther people were less successful boogieing to it. Myself included ;) Wicked that a lickle yout like Bennett is carrying this goodness forward though. Good ears with a wide knowledge for one so young. Respect.

[@recksroller2220]

6:53 "Keep It Greasey" by Frank Zappa and "Celestial Terrestrial Commuters" by Mahavishnu Orchestra use this subdivision.

[@SoleaGalilei]

I really love your outro piece. It sounds like it could belong on A Moon Shaped Pool.

[@ClawHammermusic]

A video on finding the 1 in some complex drums like Ginger Baker and Matt Cameron would be cool.

[@nenostevens5176]

Very nice work. Clear and easy to follow. Your end track is way kewl!

[@arcticlemur5436]

I cant believe there was no mention of “Undeviginti” by Simon Phillips. I mean the title is literally nineteen. Great work though, I love this series!

[@Hutch500]

Finally a David Bennett that features Animals as Leaders!!!! Been waiting for so long for you to mention them as their music is so complex

[@DForSpiD]

Might be my favorite piece you've done for the end of one of these videos

[@plumeless4462]

Another good example for 19/4 time is the song "The Glory of the Lord" by Neal Morse (on the album "?"). It's less than 2 minutes long and changes to 6/4 at the end, but the time signature feel natural. It's grouped by 5/4, 8/4, and 6/4 time consecutively. Heavily recommend checking it out.

[@Araye]

That’s a beautiful song

[@PauloT.Silva-pts.anywhen]

Beautiful Music you made. Just beautiful.

[@jujucari8149]

Tigran Hamasyan - A Crane Came From Van

[@oscarj]

Frank Zappa - "Keep It Greasy" (The 19/16 song that gets all the atention, main section & outro in 4/4+3/16 form) Mahavishnu Orchestra - "Celestial Terrestrial Conmuters" (Original 19/16 in 4/4+3/16 form overshadowed by Zappa's later track) Dream Theater - "Home" (Ending section in a 19/16 "Keep it Greasy" redemption) Caravan - L'Auberrge Du Snaglier Suite (A Hunting We Shall Go / Backwards sections in a beauty symphonic 19/16) Camel - The Sleeper (Elegant jazz fusion track, main sections in 19/8; 4/4+4/4+3/8) Gavin Harrison - "19 Days" (The pro-drummer 19/8 track you don't believe is in 19/8 but actually does in a 7/8+7/8+5/8 form) Gergo Borlai - "19/16 Jam" (Another pro-drummer guy obsessed with Colaiuta's grail drumming in Zappa's) Still to check for 19s: Allan Holdsworth's stuff (as seen in the Bruford picture), Tigran Hamasyan (surely he has a crazy 19 piano pattern), Haken (aka Dream Theater II), TesseracT (extreme maths freaks) and Marco Minnemann solo stuff.

[@therareplatypus7121]

I don't really know how or why people talk about large top numbered time signatures in this way. It's always confused me. My band plays many many time signatures. I would never tell my band guys like, "hey this part is in 19 whatever time signature", as that means absolutely nothing to them. If it would make more sense and it feels like subdivisions smaller than that, that's what I'm going to tell them. For example the 4, 4, 4, 4, 3. I would never count it or tell anyone that it's a "19 blah di blah". I'd say, "it's a 5 bar section or 4 fours, and then a single three count", because that's what it actually is.

[@webstercat]

As a drummer you can approach these time signatures by establishing the underlying pulse, say 16th & hear the melody as it sinks with the pulse of constant notes your playing. Apply the accents where needed. If you understand this approach it simplifies what is presented as difficult.

[@dazwold]

The Pale Blue Dot intro and the sitar section of Home by Dream Theater are in 19/16

[@DanTurfMan96]

David Bennett, your outro is beautiful, as always.

[@haikovd8371]

Hell's Bells is one of the catchiest riffs ever

[@erickborling1302]

BILL BRUFORD "Hell's Bells" from One of a Kind.

[@erickborling1302]

Fun lyric to go with the opening riff ||: Can you feel, can you feel, can you feel nineteen :||

[@samuelking879]

Another song containing 19 is Isle of the Cheetah by Hum. In the first half, most of the bars can be counted as 6+6+7 but then sometimes it's just in 6 to throw you off even more!

[@elen5871]

wow that 4 4 4 4 3 is really compelling, i love how it keeps you from ever 'settling in' to the song.

[@DavidBennettPiano]

😊😊😊

[@elen5871]

@@DavidBennettPiano can I just take a quick second to thank you? your videos like these have really rekindled my love of music, this is all the stuff I was too ADHD to learn when I was a kid and just wanted to play in punk bands instead of jazz band, but now it's like OHHHH THAT'S WHY THINGS SOUND COOL WHEN I DO THAT, been eating up your back catalog and subscribed. super appreciate all you've done! 🥰

[@DavidBennettPiano]

@@elen5871 thank you! That means a lot 😊😊😊

[@marvelboy74]

Once again, David understood the assignment with his composition. Very beautiful.

[@WettaLud]

Celestial Terrestrial Commuters by Mahavishnu Orchestra is a 19 grouped in 4 groups of 4 followed by a 3. Highly recommend!

[@ILikeWafflz]

There are also the heavy portions of Porcupine Tree's Anesthetize, around 6:15 and 8:08, that are in 19/8, with phrasing that sounds like 5, 6, and 8

[@Gazonkie]

Rainbow by Battles!! Always loved the 19 feel of that song, and almost the entire song is in it

[@theunwelcome]

always wondered what the weird beat was in the middle of Rusty Cage, makes it feel very different from what you'd normally expect from a rock song

[@headlessduckling618]

The hook of “Shanghai” by king gizzard is in 19/8 which plays a polymeter over the drums in 4/4

[@obiwanjacobi]

I love the 4 times 4/4 + 3/4 grouping. It totally throws you off 😃

[@fabiobomme9526]

Wonderful video, with an interesting composition at the end. Thank you

[@DavidBennettPiano]

Thank you 😊