00:00 - Intro 05:14 - Chaos 15:04 - Dark Eldar 23:12 - Eldar 29:53 - Imperial Guard - 37:10 - Necrons 46:17 - Orks 53:41 - Sisters of Battle 59:13 - Tau 01:04:37 - Space Marines 01:14:46 - Outtro Destar has a tierlist in French; kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZPac2aHrptkjLs Use translated subs if you have to Destar is a proplayer, and if you want to get a more credible tierlist, go watch his, don't listen to his SM takes 🤣
@ceasurio11182 күн бұрын
I love how when you get to tau you get so hyped saying that a good tau player slaps people around. And then shit all over them for the entire section 😂 I wish you whould have talked a bit more about the late game from factions. And drew more comparisons to other factions in terms of power spikes. Like when you say chaos late game is good, i am not getting what does good mean? And what does okay late game mean? All of this come from a perspective of a newbie by the way. Maybe as a veteran i whould understand were you are getting at. I just wanted to know wich factions had a super strong late game, and now i am still left a bit questioning. I loved the video though and that you whould go into extra detail about specific faction/map matchups. I hope you make another video talking about factions, aimed at new players like me.
@catwthcpu80645 ай бұрын
never thought id ever seen a tier list about my favorite RTS of all time! Thanks dude!
@Duzzyminister5 ай бұрын
Thanks brother, glad you liked it. :-)
@jagusart5 ай бұрын
Nice video Duzzy! I appreciate and agree with this list, even if my beloved Sisters are in D Tier :')
@Duzzyminister5 ай бұрын
Thanks Jagus! I learned from the best! But yeah I wanted to spare you the truth, but I know you can take it 😉
@mee0910004 ай бұрын
I've got to give you MAJOR props for uploading this. Been playing RTS games for well over a decade and a half myself and most games of this scale are supposed to have or at least generally have tier lists. Warhammer is a massive franchise and to my knowledge while the games do not have a particularly big community it IS large enough and this game in particular has tons of mods from what I've heard. Still in the process of clearing all the expansions Campaigns before I can truly delve into it all. Anyways what I'm trying to say here is that I'm amazed a RTS like this has VERY few tier lists. It's not like the factions are that evenly balanced and that especially applies in earlier versions/expansions. Everyone here has presumably played the earlier ones but words cannot describe how much worse the Orcs are in the first version of the game compared to the later ones.
@dantist14532 ай бұрын
S-orc eld A- cron tau de B- ig chaos C- sm sob
@elbandido16932 ай бұрын
Sm in B, tau and necrons in C. Kek
@Duzzyminister2 ай бұрын
Won't argue with the Tau-God himself 😊
@bIeedАй бұрын
I love the video! Can we get a tier list of each faction's units? Please! Note: whenever someone makes a tier list of an RTS, just knock down his main race a tier to get the correct tier list 😜
@DuzzyministerАй бұрын
Thanks for that brother. I will do a unit tierlist later at some point, but I will take a bunch of time 😅 Also your comment on putting SM this high might be suited in this case, but I'll let people decide 😅
@lioju25204 ай бұрын
nice video duzzy can you go for unit tierlist next?
@Duzzyminister4 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it brother. I am as of now doing a map-tierlist ft. Jagus. So it's not in the near feature, but it for sure something to do for later, I would be down! 🙂
@mitarminic27444 ай бұрын
It's time to reconsider my noob choice of DE 😅
@continuumsanctum8695 ай бұрын
_People play DoW Vanilla still?_ 🤔 Crucible Mod, Unification & Ultimate Apocalypse are giving so much more options & fun 🤗
@Duzzyminister5 ай бұрын
Yeah the server is still active, and growing. But for sure a lot of respect to all the mods, and the creators beheind them! Personally I like vanilla more, due to it being super raw, but it's all about personal preference 😀👍
@zedoniusrulerofflame46754 ай бұрын
I don't know man. I play both vanilla and Unification and I have to say that I don't appreciate a lot of the visuals in it. Like the Emperors Children and Renegade Guard are just cringe.
@thecalbinator72333 ай бұрын
@@zedoniusrulerofflame4675 or the farsight enclaves, like whats up with their goofy hats?
@ZmyshkoKain2 ай бұрын
And they are a lot more imbalanced and some of the options are useless.
@continuumsanctum8692 ай бұрын
@@ZmyshkoKain 🤔 Why are they called _"options"_ again? 😏
@thekezDoWSSUK5 ай бұрын
Something crucial to consider about the matchup grid you are using, is that it isn't filtered by MMR/skill level. Those stats are inflated by thousands of noob games, or noob stomps by experienced players. This is especially prevalent when you consider SM and IG, which are by far the most popular factions of newcomers casually trying out the game. A more useful grid to go on, would be looking at the 'High rating' filter
@Duzzyminister5 ай бұрын
Hey Kez, thanks for watching! I do agree that the stats have issues, which I mention serveral times in the video. I did look at the high rating one before recording, but sometimes the sample sizes are so small over several years, that those stats can also be missleading aswell. Also those stats does include outlier players, which I mention why I try to avoid. The stats where also there to supplement my own knowledge, but im sure there are holes in that knowledge from time to time, and so the stats did potentially get overused those moments. Thanks for the feedback brother!
@TheGrindIsReal20234 ай бұрын
I watched this on 1.75x speed because i feel you soeak a little slow for my taste (not a bad thing, you ennunciate well which is what enablws this anyways) but the background music is really annoying lol. That being said i dont like music on 1x speed either. Just thought id make this perspective known Really like the content would love to see more.
@skidmoda4 ай бұрын
Should do this again with reunification that mod is nuts wrapping your head around
@Duzzyminister4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I might have to refer to MR. Landshark who did one some time ago, he would be way more educated than me any of the mods in general. 🙂
@rickk99854 ай бұрын
@@Duzzyminister are you interested in Redux mod? it's most similar to vanilla with better ui , new stuff and balance
@Duzzyminister4 ай бұрын
@@rickk9985 long term I might look at that one and swich to that 🙂
@jamesoldham99954 ай бұрын
@@rickk9985 I've tried to get into Redux but it's been nightmare trying to install for some reason. Can't seem to get it to work.
@stepanfilonov11 күн бұрын
Hello! Can you make a video on the strongest ultra-late-game factions? Like tier 4+
@Duzzyminister10 күн бұрын
@@stepanfilonov I might do that in the future yes.
@Prince_of_Despair5 ай бұрын
Personally id put Necron higher
@mee0910004 ай бұрын
I was a bit skeptical since this Tier List is not bad and his reasoning makes sense. But after playing as the Necrons for awhile I honestly agree 100%. For how easily accessible they are. The Flayed Ones are busted. Not only are they great tanks but they can kill almost anything on their own. They have no moral so these things will always fight at 100%. You have one or two fully reinforced squads of them backed up by an assortment of other Necrons and you're not gonna lose most fights even if they outnumber you. The only fights you will lose is if they have a lot of abilties prepped. But since you can spawn them in anywhere on the map it's easy to replace them. Necron teleportation is also nice in that regard. The Nightbringer is very powerful on its own thanks to that lifesteal but if you have it fight alongside an Awakened Monolith I genuinely don't think there is a single fight that you can lose. The Awakened Monolith on its own is like somewhere within Top 2 or 3 units in the game. But if it fights with a Necron Lord and an army. Everything it comes into contact with is getting obliterated. The Eldar are probably only winning that much against them because they stop the Necrons before they can reach that point. Even if you come across an army that can stalemate it for a bit. It will be overwhelmed because the Monolith can create units mid combat and the Necron can place turrets anywhere on the map. I think Necrons have way too much utility and versatility to be in C. I can easily see how they aren't S or even A. But they are definition of a B Tier faction if I've ever seen one.
@Duzzyminister3 ай бұрын
@@mee091000 Hey bro, thanks for your input. I could in theory nitpick your points, but it would be kinda unfair, since you're overall making some good points! I will admit that seeing this comment section, is making me second guess myself (that's only good tho). But since my criterias included the map-meta, it was hard for me to give them a high rating. There is simply too many maps that they suffer on (QT, SOE, MOM, OR etc.) And while Necrons might have a good time on TE, FM or maybe BR and look (sometimes) super broken, other times they legit look like a useless race, and all of that comes down to the map. Few freaky players like Bloody Monster will ofc ignore all of these cons, but as I explain in my video early, he is an outlier. I will say tho, that if I made the tierlist today, I would put Necrons on B-tier. I guess you learn somthing everyday 😊
@thecalbinator72333 ай бұрын
For me its not even that they're strong, I just genuinely hate how annoying the eldar are
@Duzzyminister3 ай бұрын
Yeah, pretty annoying race 😅
@LiberumCogitandi3 ай бұрын
Now about Dark Crusade 👍
@Duzzyminister3 ай бұрын
I simply don't play DC, so I would not be the right one to make that tierlist 😅
@KunDziki2 ай бұрын
Overall great video 😊 Could you put some (at least general) time stamps to terms like early /mid /late game?
@Duzzyminister2 ай бұрын
Fair point, will look into it soon 😊
@Restore-yh5os2 ай бұрын
You say that the space marine has a low win rate because beginners play for him, but if you switch to "All seasons" and "only high rating" then there the win rate will be at the level of the battle sisters, whom you moved to trash. The strength in the late game is bad because the other races know about it and dream of destroying the space Marines as quickly as possible. And I would put necron in the place of a space marine, that is, on "B", because they have a powerful t 1.5 rush, a special economy, simple management, the most powerful mage hero in the form of a lord, the strongest skinner paratroopers, universal tanks in the form of destroyers, the strongest anti-tech infantry, a Monolith that is the strongest t4 in the game.
@Duzzyminister2 ай бұрын
You are entitled to your opinion, but I am pretty sure you have not seen the whole video 😊 But yes I would put necons up in the B-tier aswell, even tho I disagree with some of the your resonans.
@KunDziki2 ай бұрын
Necrons have: 1) really slow movement speed what is deadly in bigger maps or maps with multiple entrances to de base 2) really high cost of capping points, so if enemy is smart enough, he will cap most points in the map, getting huge ammount of requisition and spam 1st /2nd tier units to oblivion unabling necrons to upgrade monolith to higher tiers cause the constant need of producing and upgrading warriors. 3) Monolith is the only building creating aby units so you can recruit only 1 infantry /machine at a time, what is huge problem if you are constantly attacked (what is actually most certain way to defeat necrons imo). Any class Has its limits but necrons have horrible early.
@zxaoks10902 ай бұрын
Need a dow2 retribution tier list now
@Crusher8883 ай бұрын
Wtf is this tier list lmao
@lucutes2936Ай бұрын
help
@Kerruo5 ай бұрын
Soulstheim is prob my favourite Dawn of war game
@Duzzyminister5 ай бұрын
Agree, it's truely great!
@kriltic94545 ай бұрын
I totally agree that Eldar are S tier. However Necrons are definitely A tier. Lol have you never had an entire Necron army teleport into your base with multiple Monoliths and the Deceiver? Oh and you can't stop it because the Lord can teleport at a silly point in your base?
@Duzzyminister5 ай бұрын
Hey mate, thanks going in and put your takes out there, feel free to disagree 😊 I would be inclined to disagree tho. I would without all external factors put Necrons on B-tier. Too many maps are unplayable and too many sus matchups. Even your late game scenario has never happend to me, only one monolith and deciever, and in those cases I blow them up with Landraiders, terminators and pure firepower. Multiple monoliths usually never happens unless they bug abuse or you're trolling and letting necrons just somehow build 2 or more tier 4 monoliths. 😅 Even if they got to tier 4, IG and SM (just to mention some) beats them strait up tier 4. The one disclaimer is, that I could imagine some crazy stuff like that happening on team maps, and there we might have a different conversation 👍
@kriltic94545 ай бұрын
You must not have played many good Necron players (when you could do it lol). The base teleport was the end game goal for Necrons. The Deceiver was there to attempt to mind control any defenders/waste their time. The rest of the army usually had enough time to ruin a base before enough defenders came. Plus the Resurrection Orb meant they had to be wiped out twice but also left a permanent threat in your base. The monolith thing, all you had to do was summon one outside of combat as it would take 90% damage after timing out then heal up. I used to use this playstyle to 1vs3 many times. Remember, basic Warriors were free so they coukd also easily rush.
@MALKAVIANsrle115 ай бұрын
Necrons feel like watching my grandma go upstairs
@kriltic94545 ай бұрын
@@MALKAVIANsrle11 obviously you never played vs a good Necron player 😂
@KunDziki2 ай бұрын
@@kriltic9454if you will cap enough points you can spam them to oblivion with 1st and 2nd tier units. They could not upgrade base cause of constant need of the fight. For me it is the best and the only way to pit them down.
@Skuf183 ай бұрын
Oh, hi! We got caught many times on the ladder! Great video, like it
@Duzzyminister3 ай бұрын
Thanks mate! What's your ign?
@Skuf183 ай бұрын
@@Duzzyminister Sikorsky
@Skuf183 ай бұрын
@@Duzzyminister I agree completely with your tier list. Maybe I put the Necrons higher, but as the statistics showed: Dark Eldar - Necron is a matchup in favor of the Necrons, which is probably why I have problems with them.
@Duzzyminister3 ай бұрын
@@Skuf18Oh yeah I remember you, you're the Hall of blood guy, always nice play with you 😊