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[@Larryzaur]

I can't wait for all the memes to come out of the new relic exploration zone : ) Go to surfshark.com/larryzaur for 4 extra months of Surfshark

[@Nitpicky3RD]

Have you played the Xenoblade series? Because saying FFXIV in the industry is ROUGH xd

[@keinchi]

Larry… you said “extreme trial series” but if they’ve streamlined it like EW, there isn’t going to be one. It’s going to be straight msq trial. I know we could still technically call that a series, but it still sucks we don’t have a separate narrative they could train other writers on.

[@Alcadria]

Exploration Zones are not relic content, which is a misconception the playerbase has always had. Yoshida has stated, outright, that the Exploration Zones have the relics tacked onto them because they know players wouldn't engage with the content otherwise. Furthermore, he's stated 7.X's relics will be like Zodiac and Anima and not be tied to a specific piece of content this time, he's even mentioned Atma, Light, etc. so this time around, we're not going to have the hyper-fixation on the terrible FATE farming zones for relics. All exploration content is completable without a relic, Island Sanctuary is considered Exploration content, for example. Shade's Triangle won't be relic content, just an exploration zone where you will be able to work on the relic weapon. All indications is that the relic quest will exist outside of all other content like in ARR and HW, not the pigeonholed crap that was SB and ShB.

[@Lizard14]

Imagine the CEO’s surprised pikachu face when they realize that not putting money back into their moneymaker makes their moneymaker make less money.

[@Cervarius_K]

But you don't understand, he needs to put all of that money into making more Cloud Strife NFT's so he can create enough of a financial deficit for that company that he can sell another one of their beloved IP's off like an old appliance at a garage sale

[@crystalbepsis]

That's practically a qualification for Squareenix CEO's: To be fiscally oblivious.

[@ImperiousMax]

The sad part is apparently the only funds that go directly back to the devs are from the Online Store-- that's right, your 10x Jet Black Dye Pots kits, controversial Far Eastern costume sets and Fantasia Bottles are the only things that directly fund the devs... and considering how much shit the online store gets from people for how expensive it is that one piece of info makes it all the more sad.

[@crystalbepsis]

@ImperiousMax SE's finance department is such a shit show.

[@DaiSol89]

On a serious note, I wish they actually gave metrics on that form of internal investment cause it’s very clear they gave a foot for the Graphic updates and stuff but god knows if that killed the pace to everything else and need a development investment or just production management making new ideas.

[@LLJVBass]

I'm staying for the kids... And by kids, I mean I have a house

[@Larryzaur]

This is a big one actually

[@TheOneGreat]

​@@LarryzaurI gave up mine after so many years.

[@dreamllusion8390]

I understand the feel. I don't want to leave my 2 big kids behind :'(

[@davidramirez9222]

I have seriously started contemplating actually quitting altogether, i really haven't played much since Endwalker, and i only got half way through the latest expansion, I don't know if i am just severely burned out or what but i keep my sub going because i don't want to lose my house, only logging in to do seasonal events and that's it lol.

[@Wiles731]

I'm still glad I never bought a house. I'm still playing the game on and off, but I'll sub for a month, then take a break. Pace myself so I don't burn out. Honestly my FC is probably the biggest reason I haven't decided to quit altogether for a while. They're still quite active.

[@snatchr2451]

As primarily a story enjoyer, waiting 6-7 months to watch Koana ramble about cows was not the kind of thrilling adventure that keeps me subbing.

[@reachinghigher4259]

Wuk Lamat's "Your happiness is my happiness" was nearly the moment I cancelled my sub. I can't fking stand the DT MSQ. I never even did the 7.1 one cuz just hearing about it was infuriating.

[@viktoriaschmied6627]

I'll gladly take him off your hands. Having him ramble about cows sounds far more entertaining than some forced way too short dramatic sob stories that does an 180 on a characters personality to try to suddenly make them "good" and "likeable"

[@Hammybread]

dawntrail is a "beach episode" story reset. Its the start of a new dramatic thrilling story arc. You will unfortunately have to wait for the story to be done and new expansion for things to ramp up, this is basically ARR.

[@captainmurphy4948]

@@Hammybread I am so, so tired of that asinine excuse. Just because "it's the start" does not in any way excuse it's meandering, pointless storytelling. ARR almost straight off we know about the Ascians, the Garleans, the primals and how every city-state is messed up. Then later we get introduced to Ishgard and the Dragonsong War. In Dawntrail we faffed around for half of it to get an obnoxious idiot onto a throne, then maybe hints of what will come later with Preservation and Sphene. Hints that have far from coalesced into something that can be intellectually chewed on. All the while still having the obnoxious idiot being with us and swallowing up 99.9% of the screentime. The difference in how both set things up is significant, with DT looking indecisive and lost.

[@SinHarvesting]

​@@captainmurphy4948 well i do agree with most of what u said technically ARR wasn't the beginning as it was 2.0.

[@Jolsn]

I hope Cosmic Exploration isn't an Island Sanctuary type situation because I will cry

[@dividedbyzero4]

they said you play it with other players so that's already 10x better than island sanctuary that gives you the experience of being exiled to do menial labor that isnt even fun mechanically because they removed any sort of gameplay gathering had. they can still fuck it up if it's another "do nothing & wait" island sanctuary turned into though.

[@Jasepo]

Man I was specting IS to be like Stardew Valley or FarmVille, but it was another thing entirely.

[@GoIdenbaum]

What, you mean you DON'T want to be an indentured servant for rude robots??

[@GushuGoblin]

I'm fully prepared to cry

[@lievaordiea389]

see he said it was going to be ishgard but folks have said its island santuary so im VERY confused over that now.

[@SynodicScribe]

Same boat as you man. The coming community content needs to feel engaging and the MSQ needs to give some narrative payoff instead of random side stories and cliff hangers.

[@Larryzaur]

May the story be the duct tape that holds us together! (pls be good oh no)

[@Smarfton]

You know it's serious when fellow YT ff14 content creators are commenting and in agreement.

[@DarkDyllon]

I hope the story is good for once, DT's story as a whole has disappointed me, it only got semi good when Spleen reappeared, but it's so obvious what's gonna happen that it's painful, but honestly, they gotta stop making other characters who in the past seem fairly smart to be complete idiots (Koana for example, he literally was willing to die for a fucking cow, come on) or villains that are "evil" but then out of nowhere you need to like them, or atleast "understand" them. (Bakool Ja Ja with the many crimes he committed and Zoraal Ja's backstory coming ... 4 months after the actual story which is when he needed that backstory) I hope they deliver, because so far? nope. combat content is good though, although even the high end is still too easy.

[@FF-tp7qs]

I haven't even finished the 7.1 msq. I did the dungeon, but stopped at the part where Koana goes to Shaaloani. I've logged mostly to just do daily pvp for the series rewards or weekly runs of Jeuno the First Walk

[@truesoprano2152]

@@DarkDyllon I think Sphene was one of the worst parts of the DT MSQ, her motivations were extremely vague and inconsistent and I feel like she was only there to fit the cute anime girl quota, when they could have spent that time developing Zoraal Ja. I was disappointed by DT's MSQ in general, I had really high hopes since I was hoping they would go back to a focus on the worldbuilding and politics (which I really missed in the past two expacs) but they just tried to cram too many things in at once, and shoving the Scions in your face when nothing would have changed if they weren't there was perhaps the biggest insult. I still liked it more than the absolute mess that was Endwalker though.

[@Cervarius_K]

The fucking crazy thing about the whole "CEO want money" issue is that SE's earnings last year were more that 75% coming from FFXIV. That company is relying heavily on XIV, and it really doesn't look like they're putting their funds back into it at all. It looks like Yoshida's concerning view on making the game streamlined and stress free is finally hitting a breaking point and we might actually see things return to how they were back in Stormblood at some point in the future, so that's good and all. But if XIV continues functioning with such insane content droughts and incredibly slow development time, I have to wonder if that's nearing on a breaking point as well. With the massive community overlap of MH and XIV, it's possible that Wilds might actually prevent XIV from having as big of a bounce back as it can. I'll definitely be playing, but I'm ngl, it'll be hard to pull myself away from Lancing monsters to hell and back,

[@Larryzaur]

If there's one good thing about the player count dropping from 7.0-7.1, for the first time for a .1 patch EVER, it would be that they take it as a sign to invest more. Let's hope!

[@RoboChocobo]

@@Larryzaur I don't feel like CBU3/ SE is being honest with themselves about the current live service landscape, and what their actual competition is offering these days. Even something like a Hoyoverse game offers beautiful visuals, a modern engine, and a satisfying content cycle for their audience. What does SE offer to people who have already cleared the MSQ? Where's the value proposition if you're not locked in for raiding?

[@shadowthehedgehog181]

Wait, how is there an overlay with MH? I could understand BG3 ir WoW, but MH? Why? Because if hunts? I've never heard of this 😂

[@dividedbyzero4]

​@RoboChocobo ff14 really cant compete with something like hoyoverse when it comes to story, and i'm not talking about quality. Even if it's as good as shadowbringers or base endwalker, the amount of story you get is just tiny compared to them, because their sole focus IS the story (and trying to sell characters with it), and they dont have to worry about making stuff like raids, pvp, etc etc.. it's also told with more gameplay than the average xiv msq experience (and even then hoyoverse also has yapping problem), which i'm praying they add more unique solo instances like shb or EW's again in the future. DT is rough with only 5 solo instances and all of them are regular battles or solo bosses.

[@danielfenton9742]

Gotta have a PC that can run Wilds before all that lol

[@unitedstatessc]

Patch cycle too slow, they really need to focus on casuals more. I raid, i clear fru. But all my casual friends have nothing to do. Map grind is fun for like a night. Then it sucks.

[@entropy7705]

The problem is casual content is boring because it's too easy to do and sadly there are casuals complacent with the baby's first mmo difficulty and will call you an elitist savage raider or something along those lines if you want something a little harder with more replay value. Even if you're arguably as casual as they are.

[@anteprs7908]

@@entropy7705 it boring to non casual NOT CASUALS the ppl who keep the dam game alive. dt ruined casual content bad msq and bad dungs all to cater to non casuals while offer no new casual content unlike ew .

[@Geekezf]

@@entropy7705 It's boring for casual because it's ALWAYS the same thing, not because it's easy. It meant to be easier since, you know, it's for casual. Most of casual content is farming till you're brain rot of how much repetitive the task is. And once you finished all once, there's a limit to when your brain say "enough is enough " The problem reside here: The time between patches is long. The fresh content to fill the time is too little.

[@Kiobao]

not just casuals, mid core. Casuals often also mean content that you really don't even do battle content and just do random other side stuff that people often don't interact with or only do once. We need something to do that's rather fun to sorta just semi mindlessly do but also not hard but engaging enough that it's not auto pilot. Often need good rewards and something to do that's fun. even if it's just to farm money.

[@GrayVos]

All the content is focused on boss fights. I think one of the biggest problems this game has is that there is totally nothing to do in the world aside from the MSQ. There is no reason to do sidequests and they are boring af. Elder Scrolls Online is the perfect example how it should be done. Big rewards for completing regions. Now that game has its own issues as well but it has great world quests and reason to explore the world. FFXIV simply has none. You go trough it once with the MSQ and + quests and your done. They really need to rework the world and how you interact with it. The complete focus on only boss fights (extremes, unreal, Ultimates, raids) is disappointing and it doesnt help its content for the more hardcore players as well. Where is the casual content? :(

[@threestars2164]

Outside of raiders, I imagine many players are trapped within the virtual landlord racket Square Enix has created. This scarcity-based engagement is keeping a lot of players trapped in keeping their sub going. Housing is just another example of Square Enix’s refusal to innovate in mmo design. Instead of making a dynamic world where players truly own and shape the environment, as seen in ESO, Ultima Online, and Rift, they’ve created an artificial scarcity economy that forces engagement. 7.2 will be more of the same. FFXIV has spent its lifespan iterating on an increasingly rigid formula without embracing true innovation in any of the core areas that make mmos worthwhile. So it's entirely possible for 8.0 to be even worse than 7.0. I don't think the game will make it to 10.0 with the current leadership.

[@dantelucef]

FFXIV needed 7.2 at 7.0. I, for one, am getting REAL TIRED of them showing features off as part of an expansion only to hold it back for like a year. Cosmic exploration is what I wanted day one and it has taken so long idk if I care anymore

[@Larryzaur]

I'm alright with them showing off features coming later, but I do think the extended patch cycle and delayed releases adds to some fatigue there.

[@GamerofGloryTheOneAndOnly]

I mean, I rather have the features late rather than features early but broken and absolutely trash to do. Remember early Eureka?

[@RandomFlask175]

​@@GamerofGloryTheOneAndOnlyThat wasn't a problem of it being early though, that was a problem of people not liking the content

[@LyohKoh]

Genuinely Cosmic Exploration was the one piece of content I wanted more than anything else, and I'm currently so burned out I don't want to wait till March :/ I'll probably come back and play it, because I'm still excited for it, but I've been really worn down by all the waiting

[@mcbiohazard892]

@@LyohKoh I think there's nothing keeping you from just not paying attention to FF14 until patch day, honestly. People will pitch a fit saying the game is dying when honestly it's business as usual. If you don't have other interests keeping your attention in game, put it down for a while until it does.

[@andrewtimothy9792]

i will never , NEVER understand the decision on why patch cycle is now 4 months. (or lets be honest here, more like 4.5 - 5 months in actuality) like, i really REALLY want to know what is the logic behind it? "hey, this game that is making us so much money and generating so much hype, lets give the player less reason to log in by extending the patch cycle" keep in mind this is the 2nd time they increased the patch cycle.

[@sergeantkitty]

I think it originally started because of covid and then they just conveniently never changed it back. If gatcha games can come out with a decent amount of content every month, it makes FFXIV look low effort in comparison.

[@andrewtimothy9792]

@sergeantkitty thats why I have quite literally 0 issue when they first announced that patch cycle is gonna be changed from 3 months (3.5 months if we are honest) to 4 months (4.5 months if we are honest). Thats almost 6 months. almost HALF A YEAR. For major content update.

[@threestars2164]

​@@sergeantkitty Square Enix hasn't (yet) gone full predatory with lootboxes or gacha mechanics in XIV, unlike games designed primarily around gambling psychology. One of the few good things about this slop game so far.

[@yaoiyaoiyaoiyaoi]

@@sergeantkitty this is so incredibly stupid and disingenuous. the content output of gacha games vs mmos is puddle to ocean level of difference. not even hoyo games have enough content close enough to XIV in terms of quantity, let alone quality. if you want new content every month, then expect a quality of monthly low effort gacha game content.

[@sergeantkitty]

@ You get a whole new region to explore every few patches in genshin + events, while XIV comes out with one alliance raid and beast tribe that takes a day to complete, lol.

[@jungkookssweat]

i need something that i can freely farm. i'm a casual player but the only thing that i am trying to save is my house LMAO

[@tophatz3869]

farm mentor mount

[@viktoriaschmied6627]

Join me in diadem brain rot. Get that dinosaur 😂

[@cordrac]

this expansion was the first time i realized doing a 6 month subscription was a mistake and switched it to simple account / 30 days.

[@Zantetsudex]

Knowing how predictable they are, cosmic exploration will be a 7.25 release, alongside the occult crescent.

[@Soulreaze]

that makes no sense because ishgard restoration was released in 5.11, so it will be 7.21 if anything if going by predictable.

[@bleth821]

They said multiple times that the occult crescent would be sooner in patch 7.2 than 7.25. That could change of course, but it should be a high priority.

[@Zantetsudex]

@ That, and unless the content will blow people out of the water then it's not exactly restoring people's faith.

[@avrax3497]

What has me anxious for 7.2 is that it may still not be the patch where we get the actual successor to Bozja. If they follow the same pattern, new field operation will come out in roughly 6 months from now. Bozja was announced for 5.2X, and what we got was an introductory quest along with a duty support trial. The actual content came out in 5.3X.

[@maxa3828]

bozja was also in the middle of covid which totally kneecapped its development so it's probably better to look at eureka, which got its first zone in 4.25

[@coryaustin7379]

6 months....

[@Cervarius_K]

@@coryaustin7379 I don't remember specific timelines back then, but there was a FUCKING MASSIVE content drought in ShB because of covid, and we went 6 months without any patches. Might've overlapped with that.

[@coryaustin7379]

@ Yeah but we're what, almost 8 months into DT? We're talking 13-14 months before we got any of the new stuff like Shades Triangle or Cosmic Exploration....that's too long

[@avrax3497]

@@maxa3828 If my memory isn't failing me, COVID lockdowns started between 5.2 and 5.3, but I could be wrong on that one, it's been a while. What makes me feel that way is that there was still a considerable number of quests to go through back in 5.25, which makes me feel like this was intended from the get go. I'm looking forward to the live letter, by then we should know what to expect.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

You know what's funny? Covid was 5 years ago yet Yoshi and his team pull up the "Things have slow down since Covid hit" card every single time they are questioned about the patch cycle being slow.

[@Andy_val]

Technically Covid ended in 2022, so it's closer to 3 years, but yeah... that was at least one whole expansion ago.

[@LostSoul-TeemoMain]

Yep, Its why i don't respect them anymore. The only ones keeping the game going right now are the low IQ sunk cost fallacies & Roleplayers. b-But my hooooouse! And ERP is keeping the game going.

[@GarnetDust24]

why have they not unlocked the savage tier yet like?!?!

[@Larryzaur]

yeah THIS one is bizarre

[@TitanDraugen]

It's because there's Chaotic. They thought it would keep players busy for a while.

[@GarnetDust24]

@ I don’t know. Wouldn’t it make since to unlock tier to get more people into FRU? And maybe more people would be comfortable doing chaotic if they had multiple jobs with BiS through savage? Just weird decisions.

[@8octa8]

Game just feels like a queue simulator. The open worlds serve almost no purpose except for walking to an NPC to trigger a cutscene with the same music they've been using since ARR.

[@raviolialamode]

we all deserve financial compensation for how many times they've made us listen to Machinations

[@JayBigDadyCy]

I mean I like gathering and doing fates on other jobs that aren't leveled yet so it doesn't feel that way to me, but if I didn't, I can absolutely see what you're saying.

[@GrimSavant]

I know comparing it to WoW isn't super helpful (call it lemons to limes, maybe), but I agree. So much area of the various zones just doesn't get used, or when it does it's just to slap a FATE or a gathering point somewhere off in the corner. There's almost no point to fighting mobs in the overworld unless you're farming a monster drop, and even then farming bicolor gemstones is faster and gives you alt class EXP to boot. And you can't really do FATEs while queueing (as something other than a DPS) because if you leave before the FATE ends you just don't get anything for it. WoW's map usage has changed a lot since the early expansions, but even flying over zones in general gave you an idea of where things were and made it feel like a "world." Meanwhile I still don't have a 100% solid mental image of how Eorzea is arranged and I've been playing since Heavensward, all because you hit a loading zone and suddenly you're somewhere else.

[@sergeantkitty]

I wish FFXIV would do something like Lost Ark. When I played, it was really fun to visit islands and have different activities to do on each one. All they would have to do is expand on the Fate system, but come up with more fun and engaging activities that offer a lot of replayability.

[@-meeco3500]

BIG FISH is there always waiting for you to achieve it with open hands

[@Larryzaur]

THE TRUE ENDGAME?! Maybe I should fish again

[@-meeco3500]

@Larryzaur the only true ultimate in this game. FISH.

[@MahalGC]

Halfway there myself, but I have to say that I hate Salter and Fingers still...

[@JayBigDadyCy]

Hear. Think. Fish.

[@asteroidxarmageddon2354]

Yall really forgetting about Doman Mahjong

[@ranmazokuable]

Yknow, haven't played 14 for like 2+ years now but even so, I still love keeping up to date with news and videos like this

[@DacianGradaMusic]

yeahh that's the biggest issue that I hope by 8.0 the devs would've realized it (a little too late though...) -- their patch schedule and content release is WHACK. It might've worked in the past, when a lot more people were new and catching up in the "dead moments", but combined with outdated currency caps and weekly lockouts that worked with 10 jobs, not 20 and other stuff, the things are adding up and if EW was already problematic for other reasons, people were still hopeful and maybe finishing their past grinds so didn't pay much attention to it. Now we're really left with NOTHING and it sucks. They focused too much on hardcore stuff early on, which as fun or polished as it might be (debatable for some) it's definitely not for the majority of players. We need the mindless grindy fun, the exploration content with 24-48 people madness, solo duels memes and interesting fate battles (which after the excellent DT battle content already, they'll probably be AWESOME). We're supposed to have BLU updates + BST, more Deep Dungeon stuff, 2-3 criterions... It all comes way too late for people to actually get hyped about it. No doubt when it comes out it'll be a hit like usual, but they seriously need to revisid this decade-old schedule that has the "meat" of the expansion coming out a freakin' year after launch - it's ridiculous.

[@Laterose15]

This. All of this. So many systems are designed around a game that had half the amount of Jobs it does now.

[@theladymeyneth6775]

Man, I just want Beastmaster. That's all I've been waiting for, and we know literally nothing about it or when it might drop.

[@Larryzaur]

Me too :( See you in 7.5

[@SkyTempleMusic]

Yeah but theres no point in playing a beastmaster if theres isnt any content to play it with

[@tatersalad76]

​​@@SkyTempleMusic wym? Beast Master is going to be a limited job like Blue Mage. Meaning it will only go up to level 80 or 90 if they raise the level cap on limited jobs again

[@AzureRoxe]

@@tatersalad76 AKA there's not really gonna be any content to play it with unless you want to do the same content you already grinded yet again.

[@AOffensiveJoke]

Im worried about beastmaster copying blue mage instead of being a pet job. Basing it on ff5 it was basically just blue mage but grinder, i hope I'm wrong though.

[@siritachi31]

The ratio of Raid content to literally everything else is insane. We got nothing but raids for over 6 months. While anyone who doesn't raid has nothing to do. If you don't raid why log in when there's nothing to do

[@marydanielle7183]

I got back into WoW because of the wait for patches. I hated the story, bored, don’t even care to level the other jobs I need to hit max level. Atleast WoW is putting out something we can do on a regular basis.

[@DKTaif]

I say this as someone who's played since the launch of ARR and experienced all the content we have in the game outside of Ultimates. This won't bring me back, Dawntrail has actually managed to sour my overall enjoyment of FF14 by being such a huge departure from what I have come to expect. It is the first expansion that has actually made me feel so disconnected with the game I cancelled my sub and left the game. Exploration zones like Bozja and Eureka are fine, hell BA was a great experience doing it, but Space Exploration isn't going to bring me back. - The time between patches is now too much - The story is not engaging me - The changes that have happened to jobs in DT and EW in particular has been saddening to see (Summoner being gutted, Viper being made even more braindead than it already was, to name just a few). I put my time in to try to let DT click for me. I've capped all my jobs and crafter/gatherers, I've cleared Savage, I tried CAR, I've got my FATE mounts, done all my Beast Tribe quests. The most I was having fun was when I picked up Viper on launch day and was wildly flailing at enemies, and as someone who loved the story of the game and the world, it hurts so much to have zero connection anymore to the game.

[@xerravolos]

I think most players echo your thoughts, at least I do. I -do- have faith in Yoshi and his team, Shadowbringers and Endwalker have given me memories that are irreplacable and will always cherish. The only thing missing at the moment is more reason to log in like you said, i need an excuse to play your dang game Yoshi! haha

[@SilverFoxfire]

I've been playing since 2013, and I recall that when they were on their previous release schedule, you would basically have enough maximized time to get a full Tomestone set and then the next patch would basically drop. When COVID hit and they greatly lengthened the time between patches, long-time players really started to feel the "lull" in things to do. New players have a much-needed buffer of time between patches to play catch-up, but the old content (Bozja, Eureka, certain Raids) is flat-out difficult to progress because there are so few people actively doing it. Like you, I've been struggling to find any motivation to play beyond the few golden weeks of *New Patch Enthusiasm*. It's mostly been a "log in, make sure house doesn't explode, log out".

[@NoBuddy89]

Again these baseless lies, Bozja, Eureka all raids etc. There is NO issues with any of them, my friend started in october and solo played, he has cleared all raids, bozja and eureka. The only thing was he had to hop over to Aether during certain hours of the day, but other than that? No issues. People act like "I'm not doing this content so no one else is either" meanwhile, there are loads of us still enjoying that content and doing it actively :P

[@SilverFoxfire]

@@NoBuddy89 Maybe my opinion is formed by being on the EU Data Center, where Light and Chaos have pretty much abandoned those.

[@MrBii03]

​@SilverFoxfire maybe? I know NA still has deticated discords for doing BA runs and somtimes multiple full runs in a week

[@felixvelariusbos]

@@SilverFoxfire I can't speak for Eureka at all since I've never really done it, but I have a friends that are still fiends for it. Bozja absolutely still stands up; plenty of people still doing relics, achievement hunting, and if you're leveling around that 70-80 range, it's still a pretty good way to do it (as an alternative to the standard fates/roulettes/etc of course). You need to PF DR now rather than queue, and are pretty much never going to get the full chaos that was DR or Dalraida on content (but the dps checks are scaled accordingly). DRS when it was current had a dedicated discord server and I'm pretty sure that's still the case. (this is all for NA; don't know the story for EU)

[@NoxSalamander]

Did I just dream that we were supposed to get a new limited job ? I feel like beast master was talked about and then I shifted realities to where that doesn't exist.

[@crustyandcruel]

Confirming we lived in the same reality

[@Timmir00]

Yeah. Beastmaster is coming... eventually. Heck I'm pretty sure Erenville was being set up as a Beastmaster representative. And keep in mind, BLU came in around 4.5 of Stormblood, so yeah...

[@MainMandarin]

I just hope they expand the Outfit function in the glam dresser. If I had enough space to collect that many armor sets I wouldn’t need any other content.

[@Nota-Skaven]

A subscription game needs something that can't be finished in an afternoon or three, new story quests or yuri ultimate just can't be that. Even if there's no relic at all to work towards yet, an exploration zone can't just be finished and then you unsub. We don't even have an Endwalker zone to go back to because they never dropped one!

[@BStar870]

I gotta throw some shade at a portion of the playerbase here. Back when Bozja was out, there were plenty of people who complained that it was a boring piece of content, and that no one wanted it for Endwalker. So, we didn't get another Bozja, because Yoshida listened and did what the players wanted, and then all of the sudden everyone wants Bozja back after not having it for an entire expansion and blamed him for it not being available at the start of Dawntrail, when there was MSQ content to experience first and jobs to level. So, if anything, the drop in subs is partially due to the players not knowing what they want.

[@kainnex1187]

The issue is that if someone is liking the content, half the time you won't even know. But if someone DOESN'T like the content HOOOOOBUDDY will you know in a heartbeat because they're vocal about it. If we like something, we have to be just as vocal about it as those that don't. Gotta let them know yeah?

[@Larryzaur]

Interestingly enough, the dev team has always had this issue. Back in HW they released the first savage tier of Alexander and it was tuned WAY TOO HIGH because they listened to the raiding community asking for more difficult content, but the community wasn't ready for that at the time.

[@Sketchblopp]

Idk, to me it was a lot of a "it depends on who you ask" situation. Yes, people complained, because someone always complains, especially in that toxic pool that is the official forums, but at the same time at least on my server these instances were always crowded like hell. It felt like everyone and their chocobo was playing it (with the chocobos on the enemy side though...) and if we wiped hilariously to red choctober or the math boss it was still a fun experience. The big duties were a good mix out of people who knew their stuff and had Lost Actions in place and newbies trying to wing it, and people inbetween. And many people kept doing it early Endwalker for leveling, finishing their relics etc. Of course I have no clue if my DC was representative for that, but it seemed to be quite popular elsewhere, too. So yes, online were a ton of naysayers, but that's because a) people always post a lot more complaints then praise or "it's fine" and b) the people who liked it were busy getting their arses kicked by some eldritch vegetable abomination throwing hearts around... :D

[@SoraBell]

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Feels like people just want SE to strong arm them into playing, then actually caring about the quality of what they get.

[@benc2972]

Honestly, in Endwalker, they took out the giant piece of content that is Bozja, and replaced it with silly criterion dungeons nobody liked. It was such a huge step down in playable content. Seemed like a cost cut to me.

[@Skyztamer]

Funnily enough, my hope and excitement for the new exploration zone is hoping it'll be at least a little similar to what I've been experiencing in GW2. Although in GW2, the entirety of the open world zones offer so much to do. Even the base game leveling zones there are relevant for endgame stuff. FFXIV will probably never be like that as a whole, but getting into GW2 during Endwalker reminded me of all the fun I had with random people in Eureka and Bozja; and how lonely the rest of Endwalker was, and Dawntrail currently is for me. I consider myself a solo player (not in any guilds), but I just enjoy playing with other people around for when I wish to engage in conversation or want to help someone fight a boss (or a chain of events) in the open world.

[@Tsuna_SoulSilver]

it aint a FF14 DT video unless someone said to nerf PCT

[@KnivesMcBride]

I'm curious to see how other players are dealing with the content drought. It's difficult to think about there still being another month and a half before the patch drops.

[@anteprs7908]

most of them arent play in fact most casual dont bother playing even in 7.1 the game has made it clear casuals dont matter anymore in dt

[@TheProud1]

A Ratchet and Clank reference in my Larry video? I've never had a bigger smile on my face. But you were so on point, he really does.

[@Larryzaur]

I've played every one I love that lombax

[@djukor]

The lack of stuff to do in FFXIV right now made me finally try out Guild wars 2. While the boss fights are much more impressive in FFXIV the open world in GW2 puts FFXIV open world to shame. Like id borderline argue FFXIV does not even have an open world rather just large maps that you do the MSQ and Fates in. In comparison the open world in GW2 is so fun o explore and do stuff in id play the game even if it was a SP game.

[@threestars2164]

Guild Wars 2 was innovative with horizontal progression, but FFXIV never even tried it. Its itemization remains terrible.

[@Serqonion]

SqaureEnix really needs to double their development staff for this game. Patches taking 4 fricking months to come out is not acceptable. We need double the content and content to come out in half the time it is now.

[@AaronWOfficial]

This tbh, the game gained so much popularity and they are sitting on a literal gold mine. All they need to do is keep the game from getting stale. This has been a problem with ffxiv since arr, the content updates are too slow. You could forgive it back then because the game was much smaller, now the game is huge so there is simply no excuse anymore.

[@threestars2164]

SE: "Best we can do is more investments into nfts and the blockchain."

[@mininabs]

I come from playing many many other MMOs before ff14 (started in 2023). It's actually baffling how little non-raid endgame material there is in FF14. GuildWars 2 capped the level at 80 forever ago and new expansions add new story, areas, and all sorts of stuff without ever raising the level. You instead get area specific mastery skills you have to do world events to unlock. Get xp and points to spend, there is a whole cycle. When you don't wanna do that, you have fractals (advanced dungeons, not difficult though, by any means), open world megaserver events, world bosses, 5v5 pvp, world vs world pvp, etc. I've been playing it since it launched and there is always something to do to kill time. I haven't raided in years and don't care to but it doesnt matter cause there is no real grind in the game. It's just doing stuff cause you enjoy it. FF14 lacks a lot of replay once you've kinda done everything once imo, hopefully 7.2 and on can change that.

[@LyviannaXIV]

As a raider, I'd just really like something to do that is not all the raids. Did FRU, farmed CoD, but there is nothing super chill to just vibe with. CoD is more stressful than anything because you tend to be locked into it with 10+ players that make your life harder. (Thankfully, I am done with it) I hope the relic weapon is something more than "Collect 1.5k tomes" for every single step. Last expansion was really disappointing. Also hoping for the story to improve. Haven't been at a loss for interest this badly since 6.0 ended. Really wish the 6.x post story would've been an expansion first. Love the void, need more void stuff

[@ArtForSwans]

man if even I'm able to use the current housing demo suspension as an excuse to not login then something's gone terribly wrong. I'm really looking forward to 7.2. A zone with the expansiveness of Eureka but with the accessibility of Bozja would be the perfect balance.

[@gamingwithnocto]

Id take advantage of this if i was you i am i login here n there n maybe some maps but been taking advantage n working on my backlog of games haha

[@denneildunbar6844]

I know it will just be a reskin of Bozja, but I wish they'd do something crazy like let us sail a ship in a Ruby Sea-esque zone and each island is basically a huge open dungeon.

[@Nomolun_Vr]

You're asking square enix to try something so left field...never going to happen sadly. SE will never risk anything to try to change up things.

[@sergeantkitty]

Even though Lost Ark has a lot of problems, sailing from island to island was so much fun back when it first came out. It would be the perfect idea for the vacation/adventure expansion that we should have gotten. If XIV did something similar, I would definitely consider returning.

[@koyukiaihara7491]

I haven't played since last August, and I haven't really felt the need to go back, got about a bit less than halfway through the new MSQ, and just kinda...lost interest.....hope it gets better...lost my house, and still didn't really care tbh. Would love to come back, but DwT story kinda lost me tbf.

[@threestars2164]

Sadly even the msq patch content is of the same low quality. Even the current event ongoing now can be summed up as "talk to these three npcs". It seems they have given up.

[@koyukiaihara7491]

@threestars2164 that is too bad, it's not that I hated the gameplay, dungeons, or job changes, mostly, and being a side character was.... tolerable, but the character I played second fiddle to was...lame, and I only got to 2nd msq dungeon, I dunno maybe I dodged a boring bullet there, if the ending is anything to go by. I will see what the reaction to 7.2 is and go from there I suppose, just sucks after playing it for 10 years previously.

[@Ander_s000n]

I’m at a point in life where i see it as “they not gonna change a thing to the better, because after a few weeks the drama got quiet and they pretend it never happened” T_T

[@gerardrosario3855]

If there's any year in which FF14 desperately needs to retain players. It's this one. Due to sooo many top-notch highly anticipated video games coming out this year.

[@methos4866]

Does that matter? Isn't it normal for a lot of people to come back for an expansion or update and then just go play something else? That's what i do. And everytime i come back to FFXIV it's like coming home.

[@primeloki4235]

If game still shit like DT no one is coming back

[@alphamaccao5224]

@@methos4866 You really aren't that smart are you? Yes that's normal but the level of the spikes is lower. Dawntrail has a pretty universal mixed reputation due to the story being... questionable in overall quality and the patch pacing being slow enough that even the causals are facing down burnout.

[@methos4866]

@alphamaccao5224 How am i not smart for not going out of my way to keep up with player numbers? I just play when i play.

[@TitanDraugen]

I just hope they don't make Relic Weapons will be another tomestone grind.

[@anteprs7908]

next to nobody will do them then ew relics at least had casual finally try to do relics.

[@alphamaccao5224]

I've done every relic but the one that requried the crappily designed eureka, I'd rather tomestone than have to do the bullshit that was ARR/HW relics ever again. FUCK, THAT.

[@lynxace1602]

Personally I've done relic grinds for HW multiple times and it's very easy/casual. ARR relics are hellish tho, screw those

[@darkmistress1980]

personally i would rather they did a combo of tomestone grind and drops from dungeons everybody can do (roulettes etc). i was a WoW player during MoP and for their legendary cape that was BiS for everybody they forced ppl to do content they didnt want to do (like PVP). the community bitched and complained but you still needed to do it to earn currency to buy the parts. then you would have to defeat bosses that dropped parts and that was 25man heroic raiding (before mythic was imagined). for me i skipped the bozja relic cause i didnt like that form of "instanced" content. i felt defeated because the content was noteasy for ppl that had either bad computers/net and slow reaction time.

[@Koeboldt]

7.1 spoilers below “How many times do I have to teach you this lesson old man” WoL probably

[@raviolialamode]

My entire FC has been playing since ARR launch and the vibe right now is that if 7.2 doesn't deliver something meaty we're probably disbanding. We're all veterans of Korean MMOs so we tend to gravitate towards content like Eureka and Bozja grinds vs raiding so EW was already a rough patch for us all content wise, but DT has just compounded it along with the MSQ knocking out a solid chunk of our story invested players...it's dire lol

[@NoBuddy89]

So you're going to disband, despite the game being the same as it has ever been? Sounds like maybe you guys are just tired of FFXIV in general :P

[@snowy7730]

The reason why the game feels like a ghost town is because they keep pushing to fill the newer data centers/worlds and keep half the older worlds closed for half the patch then the other half for the next half, if you're in one of the worlds closed during the first half, it's likely gonna turn into a ghost town extremely fast... Hoping they don't do it this time around tho

[@yungjeezay789]

Its not Dying, ya'll aren't doing every single yellow quest everywhere!! Endless CONTENT!

[@Larryzaur]

I have... SO MANY quests on my map LOL

[@LLJVBass]

Oh... I thought the map was just all yellow

[@solaronyou8610]

It is dying.. XIV's content has been dying since Shadowbringers.. :/

[@RockR277]

Except...I have...

[@RockR277]

Or, well, the vast majority

[@Xam000Max]

For me, what was the turning point on why I didn't feel like playing FFXIV anymore, except for the fact that I didn't cared about the MSQ storyline, was that my main FC/Friends group kinda felt apart. That game for me was more than a MMORPG, it was a game I could enjoy with online friends that I liked.

[@Mexican_Sunbro]

As someone's who recently started Bozja and got to Zadnor I've been enjoying that style of content and looking forward to 7.2 Even started working on a ShB Relic.

[@Larryzaur]

I'm just happy that eureka/bozja was designed in such a way that anyone can tackle it later! While it's a magical experience doing it on release, it's great to be able to go in there years later

[@kierraellis6570]

Yeah, I usually log in within 45 days just to avoid the eviction notice 😂

[@yeetskeet4657]

Same here, all I've done all of DT so far

[@ladyseph9045]

I totally agree that 7.2 needs to be big and beefy, and Shades' Triangle crucially needs to avoid the dropout that Bozja experienced. I know COVID and bad timing overall had a lot to do with it, but there's a reason Eureka remains so active YEARS later while Bozja is basically on life support. And it's depressing because I still want the two-seat bike mount from there and I'm like 3 pages from getting it, but unless I rally and bribe a bunch of friends to help me there's likely no other recourse. :'3 Oh and LEAVE PICTO ALONE.

[@michealwatts7469]

Larry, 100% I am with you.. I logged in with a friend 2 days ago, it had been 52 days since my last log in. I'm worried about the relic quest... Ive been playing XI, WoW Classic etc. So here is hoping. Edit to add: Larry is as miffed as I have about losing Stoneskin and Shadowflare and I am here for it.

[@Jazzjecht]

I've been playing FFXIV since 1.0 (nightmare) and have pretty much completed all my goals. (all classes to 100, caught all the fish, completed every quest possible) but let me tell ya. Dawntrail was the first time I struggled with the game. The dungeons were nice, but, we barely get any content that I can run with my more casual friends anymore. I miss the times when we got more than a dungeon a patch because lets be real...They get boring. Fast. This was the first time I've unsubbed from the game, and have no desire to come back. Which is sad, cause I did like the game, its just. I got nothing. They really need to add in content to keep its playerbase more engaged with the first patch. And not the patch that comes after 2 months. Oh and the length and time between patches is getting absurd anymore, and they can't say quality control because they let some parts of the last patch go untranslated. Idk. I think FFXIV is going to decline unless they do something to interest people. Clearly its not what they thought when they made dawntrail.

[@ToxicCalamari]

Squenix needs to refocus their content priority IMO. 7.1 being almost purely raid content with no real grind was a shot in the foot, especially with how mixed and divisive the MSQ has been. The lack of any meaningful long term grinds has caused a lot of players to just check out entirely. No grind, mixed bag of an MSQ, and a patch cycle that feels like it keeps getting longer, a lot of folks just don't see a point to come back it feels.

[@MadePossible87]

I love this guy.❤😂 The problem is there isn’t anything interesting for casual players, only for hardcore players that like savage, ultimate or chaotic alliance, ex that’s pretty hard like where is the fun for casual players lol: relic would’ve been nice. People will just leave as it becomes a second job.

[@SomeRandomPersonIGuess]

surely 7.2 will give us the actual exploration zone and not just the hub for the exploration zone, right? ...right? (I really hope this isn't like Bozja, idk if I can wait until 7.3 for an actual zone)

[@ngwoo]

The more time I spend away from XIV playing other "live" games the more I worry that CBU3 has fallen into the same rut that killed 1.0; that attitude that everything they make is always hot shit so they don't have to try. Even free games like Warframe are releasing fresh seasonal content for $0 at a pace that would make XIV's head spin. Really hope that this new stuff shakes the gameplay up a bit but I'm worried. Go level ur crafters and gatherers lary

[@ImperiousMax]

I have found it incredibly ironic in how this expansion was publicly received on launch versus the change in attitude towards it now, it shows the drought period the game is entering in engagement, story and player reception. I'll be honest and say I have not been a big fan of the story since early access and was not impressed with what was indicated in 7.1's MSQ, but that's just one portion of content entirely. I've seen many people get very critical towards this game and rightfully so, player burnout has been high and I need to point out how incredible predatory and toxic Yoshi P's statement from years ago is in regards to this, you might know which quote: "Oh if you're bored just go play something else :)", meanwhile there are time based features like the PvP reward series and HOUSES-- I'm not sorry Yoshi P that is not how that works. I can't say I have high hopes for the rest of Dawntrail but I genuinely hope something can hook me back in other than the fact I have a house to keep in the Goblet.

[@KalaamNozalys]

Honestly i'd be curious about the exploration zone but I think i'll pass this time. been burnt out of the game and the way classes play etc.

[@TheKillerham5ter]

My sub runs out in two days, and to be honest I probably won’t be back, the game formula has become too stale and repetitive. Stomblood was peak content with eureka to keep people around, but now it’s just boring. I’m not even concerned with losing my player house anymore, the one threat the devs have against players to force them to stay subbed. Especially with MH Wilds at the end of February, I will have zero reason to be on FF14 when that is out.

[@seeleyboothfan2]

The one thing I don't like about exploration zones is the FOMO type where I feel like I have to rush to complete it immediately while everyone is actively doing it.

[@GoIdenbaum]

If it's anything like Bozja was, you really do.

[@JungKooksTwin]

yeah thats huge. they need to make field ops scalable or something... i got all my bozja stuff done but to see that people literally cant progress SHB relics cuz the content zones are dead is crazy and yoshi and his team have done nothing about it. DT relics need to be better but finally hyped for some open world content finally.

[@QuixSilver1234]

I did all my bozja and eureka stuff during endwalker patches. The old exploration zones tend to get a good number of players at the end of the expansions, so I don't really think there should much FOMO

[@duncanmacleod6274]

​@@GoIdenbaum then they shouldn't design it like Bozja. I've been grinding relics in Pagos, the worst of Eureka's 4 maps, and there were still at least 2 dozen people grinding casually on a regular weeknight.

[@NoBuddy89]

Bozja and Eureka are massively popular and populated every single day.... there is no FOMO there

[@Mike_Requiem]

I think FFXIV shouldn't drop all their load within big patches, but drip feed us a little stuff every week or every 2 weeks. Leave the big patches for story and hardcore content

[@MastatmastaT]

No relic and no eureka/bozja is just...its so crazy how much its needed. I hope that the new zone is more "Eureka" then "Bozja" but I'll take anything at this point. I hope they are learning their lesson about their cash cow from all this and give the game a bigger team again.

[@CrazyOtaku11]

Casual content needed to be out sooner. This patch is too little to late why farm in the new exploration zone when I could be playing Monster Hunter Wilds😅

[@JKeemTV]

Cause you can play XIV at a decent framerate (I'm a wee bit salty about how bad the performance was in the beta and we have no proof it's better till it comes out).

[@primeloki4235]

Nah still not changing that ff14 is shitty game now

[@CrazyOtaku11]

@@JKeemTV We actually do have proof the performance is better they themselves showed it running on ps5 months after the beta and journos were flown out to JP to play the newer build showing the improved performance new monsters also some of the weapon reworks from fan feedback.

[@alphamaccao5224]

@@JKeemTV You have no proof it'll be as bad though so, maybe screw yourself.

[@oothatguyoo7643]

FF14 needs a core system overhaul... It's so painfully cookie cutter it's boring

[@DragonsGuy]

I have a lot of friends who loved the previous exploration zones, so I'm glad we're getting another one for them. I didn't really like them myself, none of the extra systems made sense to me, and the grinding is mind-numbingly dull. I just wish they'd give me more story stuff to think enjoy, think about, and look forward to. All the cool side story bits keep drying up. Job quests are gone, extra dungeons are gone, they rarely ever add new side-quests post-expansion, Hildebrand quests feel shorter than ever... It used to be there was tons and tons of stories and stuff to play through, lots added every time. It's cool and all that they're adding more and more raids, extremes, ultimates, explorations, crafting and gathering, lifestyle and so on, but what about us that just want to spend more time with the world? All we get is a couple hours of MSQ every five months. Even when it's good, it's not very satisfying. Hell, even the out of game Tales stories usually choose to focus on the most out of the way, uninteresting things it can. The dream is like, a few 2-3 quest adventures with big characters every patch. Sure, it might not always work story-wise, but that doesn't really matter much. No matter how many times Y'shtola dies, she'll still show up in her HW outfit when you start the Alexander raids, lol. If we're absolutely stuck with every scion, give us some 1-on-1 time with them. Let us talk to Thancred and get a motivation for him now that all his story connections are gone. Let's go explore something with Y'shtola instead of her wandering off on her own every 2 seconds. Krile got shafted in her first expansion as a party member? Let's actually talk to her while we help her with something. Wuk Lamat could use a couple quests to try to show some more personality than "I want to be the Dawnservant". Anyone, anyone at all that we're supposed to care about could benefit from something like this, and they could take a stab at giving us more interesting side stories like job quests used to have.

[@BetaKeja]

Yeah, there needs to be a lot more world building. Lots of little things that make the setting feel a lot larger than it really is. Unless I'm misremembering things Eorzea had a lot more interconnected story bits in the background. Like there are characters from FATEs that are also town NPCs and even show up in side quests. I remember the reason given for abandoning job quests being that your mentors have nothing more to teach you. But, so what? Let's go catch up with them, show off, go on adventure, teach them instead, whatever. Edit: oh and I just remembered we used to have zones that grew and changed over time. And then they just stopped entirely. I wish there was a way to experience that evolution when replaying and for new players.

[@AngelTerri]

Hoping to come back in February. Hearing 7.0 MSQ is bad so wanting to see for myself

[@threestars2164]

It's one of the worst in the history of gaming.

[@MedievalMarty]

The true Dawntrail vacation was the break we all took from the game! hopefully 7.2 is a banger and brings people back! good to see you still making FF14 content Larry

[@Larryzaur]

omg that was the vacation all along!!

[@gamingwithnocto]

Im taking advantage workin on my backlog. Then also login in here n there workin on deliverys and pvp grind for the costume.

[@jenna9085]

My question is why are we only on 7.2 patch when it's been 7 months since DT release???

[@clumsyturtle8544]

Patch cycle is 4-5 months with only 1-2 months worth of content.

[@RockR277]

My big hope is that it's better future proofed than Bozja. Delubrum Regine is brutal to get done now just for the story, let alone for time worn artifacts. I know PotD is an option, but uh, I'd kinda rather do anything else. .1 for relics? Good, especially if they come with an exploration zone. But I'd also love to see the base relics release in .05 next time around.

[@GoIdenbaum]

I remember that was already a problem when Bozja was recent content. I distinctly recall people being gatekept from even accessing Delubrum because they couldn't do the last Critical Engagement in the first zone. It would never fill with enough players, because back then there was no incentive to clear it again after you did it once.

[@MahalGC]

I've been doing Delubrum just fine now that I'm trying to finish all relic weapons, but I do agree that at certain times of the day it takes a while to fill in Party Finder

[@gamingwithnocto]

If your on discord there are different discords that do runs of this old content baldesion aresnal, delibrum etc usually on a every few days or even more!

[@sayoraheartsong9244]

I really want them to overwhelm us with content to do for once. Like, sure delay the savage tier a bit and maybe the basic raid for like a few weeks, but everything should just be there on the expac release. One thing I really liked about the WoW expac release a few months back was that the big thing there for solo players, Delves, was something you can just play right at the start when it was released. Why do I need to wait so long for solo player content in this game when I'm at cap? The MSQ could be entirely solo up until the last fight.

[@Grundlebarmustache]

What this game also needs for the health of the game is to remove the 450 tomestone cap. It only make sense to have it for the first couple of weeks when the tier comes out. Beyond that, they're just trying to keep people subbed longer by drip feeding us. It's gotten extremely old.

[@NoBuddy89]

It also doesn't really matter unless you're trying to gear for FRU or savage :P

[@DranCh]

You just know they aint releasing the new Bozja or Cosmic Exploration until 7.25, sometime in May lol.

[@Urbish]

It's funny how during Endwalker you would get dogpiled for criticising the lack of a relic grind and field zone right up until the end of the expansion when things eventually began to change. And now just a year later the common sentiment is not only do we actually need all that stuff, but we need it sooner! I guess we needed time to see the effects of not having it but even still the swing is remarkable.

[@dividedbyzero4]

that's because the newcomers finally ran out of content and see how empty the game is without all those backlog.

[@dappercrow8138]

Mostly because Dawntrails mostly badly recieved story kinda pulled the wool over peoples eyes. A lot of players are understanding that a lot of the critiques players had about the game prior were actually kinda right

[@mikatokai3423]

I remember people criticizing it back then, so at least my circles were disgruntled with it.

[@providencebreaker1558]

My biggest complaint about EW was the relics feeling like worthless welfare handouts. There's nothing engaging about earning 1500 tomes doing the things you would typically do anyway. The fun with the old relics was going outside your comfort zone and trying new things. They encouraged you to craft and go out in the world.

[@hackfeatherstep9955]

I used to get so much crap for complaining about EW's lack of relic system I don't forget all those people defending it hand over fist so to see people changing their minds NOW? is just mind blowing to me

[@larsbohmer6319]

I would not be surprised if the new Exploration Zone will be the best Leveling Method from 90-100

[@Rhanith]

Played through the Story. Quit. Came back in hopes some patches did something. Unlocked the Raids, played the 24one and stuff. Quit the Game again. And left it at that. Sad. been with this one for 10 Years. Never through all of this time i ever felt like this about the Game, not when Stormblood dropped, not when Endwalker Relic sucked, but this time.... its just feeling abandoned and empty. Realy hope they can turn this ship around and not just with a bit of a bandaid solution, if they wanna retain Numbers they gotta change things either big time or go home. Period

[@heathrileyy]

It needs whatever patch has beastmaster, stellar exploration, and the bozja like content. Things that will let people have things to do other than grind dungeons/currency. When a patch only has 1 to 2 dungeons, and one 8 person OR one 24 person content, it doesn't have a lot of staying power.

[@charvisaur4155]

I was told to wait for 8.0 for fun jobs. So I'll resub in 8.0.

[@entropy7705]

Being told just wait two years back in July when they lobotomized Dragoon was so funny dude. They better or I'll just pretend I never played to begin with.

[@SirVG]

6:15 - SB relics didn't start until 4.25 because they had issues with Eureka. My hope for the relics is that it's a meaty system requiring a grind to do your first relic or two, but get progressively easier with each one you finish, kinda like a reverse Yo-kai event. I appreciated that EW was easy, but it was just so soulless. Please just don't repeat that again. (And yes, in future expansions they need this out earlier! WAY earlier!)

[@aaronsherwood5378]

I just want my skills to scale down instead of getting locked so I can do literally any roulette and have fun doing it. That's it. I'll just do roulettes and meet new people forever like that.

[@Larryzaur]

This has been a feature requested since Heavensward, and honestly at this point I don't see a practical reason we couldn't do that in regular duty content. Maybe not raids to preserve their difficulties. I suppose the reason would be the new player experience would have a sensory overload by how much is going on in sastasha

[@TheZman289]

​@@Larryzaur With duty support being available for all the duties now could probably alleviate that potential problem

[@Webberjo]

This would become an issue with content balancing. Having access to more skills means you'd be doing more DPS than the content was designed around, making it much easier. Compare how much potency a level 50 can do in 15 GCDs to how much potency a level 100 can do in 15 GCDs. Even scaled down, you'd still be doing way more DPS by having access to more combo extensions and OGCDs.

[@CallN0w]

I do not want to press a trillion buttons to do sastasha damage.

[@xronoamber9660]

@@CallN0w ....but if you gonna press just 1 button in it, how are you supposed to actually learn how to play well on the job? Your full kit is avaiable only on max level....and most of the game is not max level duties. Some roles are literally too boring in low-level content, which means, it's boring in huge chunk of the game~

[@SuperSnivMatt]

I think we all know Square the overarching company is not that great with expectations and knowing what to lean into, so I’m taking issues with them rather than the actual CBU3 team for management. I’ve been loving DT, and I am an achivo hunter so I legit have an insane backlog of content. I think people saying DT is bad because of patch cycles and relics etc etc. just seems weird cause. That’s expansions back that the trend started. I’m hoping Square realizes they should give more to the CBU3 team since they could easily expand the team since I don’t think it’s a massive one, and some of them have their hands on other projects alongside XIV. So if they do, we could get more content or patch cycles might be cut down 2-3 weeks, etc. etc. Also, these changes might not be VISIBLY seen as a consumer as it takes ages to take feedback and then put it into the game for a live service product. But hopefully there will be communication from the team if they do

[@BiskeTheBeast]

I survived EW so I'll have no problem surviving DT. I 100% agree with the notion that the relic grind should be available from the get go at expansion's launch. Or at the very least launching along with the first raid tier.

[@1Mrstephen]

DT is way Worse than EW.

[@BiskeTheBeast]

@@1Mrstephen Not really. Both are bad in different ways.

[@1Mrstephen]

@@BiskeTheBeast I’ll edit- In my opinion DT is way worse.

[@BiskeTheBeast]

@ ... Sure. Whatever makes you feel smart.

[@1Mrstephen]

@@BiskeTheBeast ditto

[@richardwicker8456]

I hope Cosmic Exploration will provide a good way for people to level crafting and gathering jobs; it'd be nice to have an alternative to Diadem. I also hope the relic will be a decent time sink; it doesn't need an absolute slog, but it also shouldn't be something you instantly acquire on day 1 of the patch like what happened with Endwalker relics (even the tome weapons took more time to acquire than the Manderville weapons). Finally, I'm really looking forward to the Occult Crescent field operation coming in 7.2, especially since the gimmick will supposedly involve obtaining and perhaps levelling special support jobs.

[@ShakalDraconis]

Correction : Eureka did not start until patch 4.25. If you want to follow the model of Eureka and Bozja, then the relic weapon process not starting until 7.25, and not before, is what you're asking for.

[@Larryzaur]

I'm talking about the design of the content, not the release schedule. But if you want to point that out, then the time between 4.0 and 4.25 was much shorter than 7.0 and 7.25. They are not equivalent.

[@ShakalDraconis]

@@Larryzaur The extension of the schedule between major patches from 16 weeks to 18 weeks was covered as part of the Endwalker fanfest keynotes. To that extent this is accurate, 7.2 will be 36 weeks from the release of Dawntrail instead of 32. So start of the exploration content compared to EUreka is delayed by roughly 1 month, which is a delay, but still within the same patch window. The correction more specifically is for time 6:15 . "The relic weapon really should not come out in halfway in the middle of the expansion. The relic weapons really do work best when it is something you build up from the beginning of the expansion all the way to the end. They did this in A Realm Reborn, Heavensward, and Stormblood." You list Stormblood, when again, by Stormblood's example, we would NOT have had the start of relic weapons by now. 4.25 came out 38 weeks after 4.0. 38 weeks after the launch of Dawntrail is 2025-03-25, 2 more months from now. It WOULD be accurate to say that A Realm Reborn's relic weapon grind started in the 2.0 patch cycle, and Heavensward began in 3.15, but since AND INCLUDING Stormblood, relics have not started since the X.25 patch. If you are to make a case that we should already have started the relic weapon grind, then you need to drop Stormblood as as example supporting your statement, as it is actually a counter-example.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

This is like when in desperate trying times, everyone's beloved Arnold Schwarzenegger re-emerges to talk to the people to comfort them in their hour of need

[@Boyzby]

I was playing this game so much for so long, but I'm about as casual as you are now. Endwalker was so barren that I burned through most of the content I hadn't done before and left me with nothing to do-it also helped I had someone to play with. Exploration content is the real grind we need, not doing an EX 99 times and waiting 8 months to get my mount, or grinds that I can progress in without even trying.

[@noblewolf8232]

I'm currently in vacation away from FF14 since there's no content that I want to play with. Leveling up my characters to 100 has gottenme bored. Only 4 jobs to go. I hope this 7.2 will deliver. If not, well my steam library is waiting.

[@tattertot8259]

I just want any info on beastmaster .

[@ikeaira8701]

1 year from now roughly(and not any less)

[@tattertot8259]

@@ikeaira8701 I will take April (and not any less)

[@ikeaira8701]

@ yeah maybe April next year

[@ARandomUser5]

Relic related content needs to start at expansion launch from now on, X.1 at the absolute latest. Even if the exploration zone proper isn't ready, you can still get the relics in. I know people will hate hearing this after Endwalker, but I'd even be willing to do tome farming again if it meant getting relics started earlier; i just want the damn thing in the game ASAP!

[@omnilisk279]

As a casual who normally didn't do the exploration zones/relics until very recently I think there has to definitely be more than just the new zone if you want a lot of people to come back. The people who are interested will come back, sure, but there are a lot of people that don't do those zones and won't do the relics. FFXIV needs to make a design change in how they handle content. There are so many things they've implemented and then just abandoned without proper support to keep players interested.

[@ikeaira8701]

It's even sadder when you realize FFXI has mostly solved these issue with Events, etc. A Game which most of the dev team came from.....it reeks of being burnt out or worse.

[@Lunarquill]

remember when the snow in pagos during heatwave would blind you from how bright it reflected. I lost my vampire friend from that horrible moment. was sad day for space chicken.

[@Jon_the_Wizard]

Finally positivity. All I ever hear is "raah, Dawntrail MSQ bad" and "ugh, this game has no content," it's so refreshing to hear someone be hopeful and positive about the game again.

[@Caladir]

More like naive. But yeah.

[@slimfastsubaru2043]

The video literally says all that but hopes it gets fixed lmao. That's what everyone wants...

[@WhatNoiseFishMakes]

everyone complains because they want this game to be better, IF you dont do anything you just allow bad behaviour for square enix. I want to play but ... i dont have reason to play.

[@DaiSol89]

On a serious note, I wish they actually gave metrics on that form of internal investment cause it’s very clear they gave a foot for the Graphic updates and stuff but god knows if that killed the pace to everything else and need a development investment or just production management making new ideas.

[@Hibbyx007]

I can speak for my group of friends who have more or less completely abandoned the game - We don't have faith in Yoshi P's direction anymore. Post Endwalker and Dawntrail as a whole were some of the most boring and unfulfilling content I've ever played/Seen. There is so much toxic positivity in the community as well and it alienates any concerns from those who decide the game isn't where it could be. Community is great, having things to do with friends is great and doing things with friends makes anything better, but that really can be said about ANY game. The dumbed down Jobs, unsatisfying gear progression and practically useless Relic weapons made me understand just how hallow the game is as a whole. The lack of job identity really nailed it home for me, and was the last thing that got me to finally quit, if they ever turn the classes from FF "Themed" jobs into actual FF Jobs, I'd consider coming back, I know my friend group would try it at the very least.

[@tatersalad76]

My main concern is SMN and MCH getting fixed up to no longer be called sandbag jobs (which is dramatically easier to fix than making new content from the ground up). My second concern is having some Bozja stuff to grind for fun weapons

[@danaejay]

I'm gonna take an alternate tack: XIV players desperately need to remember Yoshi-P encouraging people to take breaks from XIV to play other games during content lulls. I think people get a false idea from some XIV content creators playing the game constantly that this is the sort of consistency you have to have to really enjoy the game-- and that if the game can't support that, then it must be dying. But, like, seriously: it's okay to unsub for a little bit once you've done all you wanna do in a patch. XIV will be there when you're ready to come back. WoW is still there. FF11 is still there. Hell, Everquest is still there, and that game is 26 years old. It's fine. You'll appreciate other games more from the time you spent playing XIV, and when new content rolls around you'll appreciate XIV more for having played other games. Chill.

[@BrightBlurr]

So tired of just signing in to cap tomes and do the alliance raid. We pay so much for sub + base game. Please put some of the money back into the game and speed up the game cycle.

[@lindaa9005]

it's sad when F2P games are actually better quality than a sub-based game, however this is where many players find themselves now, FFXIV is simply not fun , and while the sub may not be high, a player may actually be wasting their money for no good reason. If you can enjoy a F2P and not swipe- why not put that sub to better use.

[@threestars2164]

Sub based mmos are only better than f2p MMOs when the company isn't investing that money into nft blockchain insanity.