Dawntrail is too Hard !!! FFXIV Players are Complaining on the Official Forums

[@arohk4415]

What you always see is people don'T move at all to dodge a boss mechanic unless there is a big orange circle on the floor, so they don't look at telegrphs of the boss, like raising an arm and move to the other side, no , they only move when the orange circle appears under them when it is already too late.

[@LILTRACUZ514]

Well said this is true

[@Seraphima249]

I noticed this by a lot of the people coming in from WoW where mechanics usually get telegraphed and then dodged or even get dropped like a puddle that does damage over time and then you have like 1-2 seconds to get out to just get away with a little damage from it dropping. Some people are not used to this kind of signs to look for, howevery this is level 100 content and if the reason i gave is the one why someone is struggling then what have you been doing the past 100 levels and if they skipped straight into Dawntrail then they have only themself to blame since the game is a learning curve even just in story mode raids and trials the learning curve keeps going up. Dawntrails addition to casual gameplay are great and make for great possibilities for Normal mode raids and trials in the future and i sincerely hope that Yoshida and his team don't let themself be persuaded by these tongueflappers spitting their "boohoo my game suddenly requires my attention when playing it boohoo"

[@syzygy21055]

This is me lol. I basically have tunnel vision and can only pay attention to one thing at a time. That's just how I'm wired and no amount of watching vids, practicing, training, or trying to "grow out of it" has ever made any difference. If I'm not vision-locked on the boss or his cast bar, I will miss the telegraph, guaranteed. I have come to dread the orange circle because somewhere along the line, the meaning of it morphed from "Get out of the way!" to "You're already dead, loser!" I have taken to watching other players who seem to know the fight and just follow them, but that still causes me to miss some things, or react a fraction of a second too late anyway. Lately the time between the earliest opportunity to move and the time when it's too late has been shrinking, so on those I just have to eat the damage and rely on the healer to save me. It's not ideal, but it's the best I can do.

[@anonj.9440]

or ignore the cast bar that reminds you of the boss's skill name

[@megawaffle612]

I don’t know if this has always been a thing and is just becoming more apparent due to this lazy/hivemind mentality but I had a few recent (yes a few in the past two weeks) dungeon runs where dps wasn’t even trying to dodge mechanics and when I politely asked if they could be a little more careful all said basically the same thing of “it’s your job as healer to make sure I don’t die”. When mentioning that vuln stacks from not dodging mechanics makes the damage they take too much to heal I was told “that’s your problem”. I’d have shrugged it off if it was a once or twice encounter but it’s literally been a few (6 times based on my screenshots) in two weeks.

[@darionpoindexter7393]

That one comment, "Thou must live, die, and know".

[@nodot17]

"I close my eyes" "Tell us why we must suffer"

[@Dysjong]

so true. "Failure is the greatest teacher of them all."

[@Ramotttholl]

and thats why i love being in casual content where ppl struggle.. it makes it harder and lets you watch and maybe give some hints/tips to watch them learn.

[@rugalbernstein5913]

@@nodot17release your hands, for your will drags us under...

[@Isomeria450]

@@nodot17 "Our legs grow tired" "Tell us where must we wander"

[@akatsuki20113]

Causal isn’t synonymous with braindead.

[@frostmourne1986]

This. Casual just means that the person lacks time to commit. There's a guy who raids with my group on occasion and is arguably the best of us in skill. He just can't raid whenever he wants because he has a 3 month old little girl.

[@jslaughter95]

fuck man, I have a friend who plays the game MAYBE 8-10 hours a week TOTAL, and even he was like "...Why are people saying the new dungeons are hard?" literally the definition of a casual player

[@NastyMick]

Casual SHOULDN'T be synonymous with braindead, but uh, FF14 really likes to skirt that line.

[@darkspine133]

Synonymous? No. But there's definently a lot of overlap.

[@ShaunFVG]

It shouldn't. But unfortunately all the brain dead cry babies have monopolized the casual tag

[@bananagher7555]

People in this game are just too afraid to fail. You know how we do savage and ultimate? We fail, over and over, until we learn not to fail. That's not even the game, that's just life and learning anything. You do things wrong, learn why it was wrong, and not do the same thing. Then you do it wrong, not doing the same thing, until you do it right.

[@Kurainuz]

My first run of the bee was with a full new party, we wiped twice but with great progress, everyone voted surrender :/

[@EternalBladeX]

These players refuse to fail because they are conditioned by society and the people around them that failing is considered taboo. That is why these players will NEVER learn their lesson and blame everyone else for their failures. They cannot take criticism and view everyone around them as the core reason why they are a failure and never considered the fact that it is THEIR fault they are the way they are today. It's just how things are for these people and nothing we say will change their mind.

[@ame5445]

Same ppl who enjoyed DT story probably 😂

[@RTuga02]

@@ame5445 or that hated. Don't see the correlation really.

[@ViralC1]

Some people queue for duties thinking "oo i can blast through this in 30 minutes max and then go do other shit" That turns the raid itself into more of a timesink than something to study and beat. I'm not saying everyone always has to queue thinking that duties might take thrice as long as normal, but a bit of patience and commitment would go a long way in letting players get more comfortable with failure. Even then, people need to get comfortable with the idea of ramdoms leaving the party. As soon as one leaves, it's a domino effect of everyone bailing even though most of them will just immediately queue again anyway. If someone leaves, it's not an attack on the group's skill level. It's just that one random player probably has to go to work or make dinner or something. Chill and find a replacement and go again. I sincerely feel like the adored "just go again" mentality that ffxiv was once known for has actually been lost somewhere between shadowbringers and endwalker and it really saddens me.

[@MissyFuzz]

The hivemind that are the forums spent the last 3 years complaining that EW was too easy in general just to now switch up and act like NORMAL MODE RAIDS AND DUNGEONS are impossible. Once again, proving that Square is right to just ignore them completely.

[@TheUltimateRiku]

It's happened in every expansion, can never make everyone happy

[@scullzomben]

I think it might be unfair to assume the people saying EW was too easy are the same people saying DT is too hard. A large room is going to have many voices.

[@TKBadMoon]

Its almost like it's not hivemind and its different people.

[@EternalBladeX]

The only thing easy enough for these people is to quit the game and play something more braindead for them.

[@ame5445]

You say that but there's a good 100% chance they're different ppl.

[@Sir_Bratze]

being stuck on a dungeon is wild tho. having the monitor turned off does add a layer of difficulty to it

[@Absinthexx7]

Even having the monitor turned off the tank can probably solo the whole thing anyway while you just sit there lmao

[@1011skarn]

@@Absinthexx7 Unless it's a Dark Knight. Trash self sustain.

[@mouradkochkar2598]

@@1011skarn sadly

[@EvaHoshizora]

​@@1011skarnyou are an awful horrible DRK then, bc my partner solo-ed all dungeon bosses alone so far as a DRK.

[@Professor_Utonium_]

​@@1011skarnIf you as a Dark Knight can't survive single pack pulls, you need to change something about the way you play. Even if the healer is dead on the floor, you and 2 DPS should be able to kill 2 to 4 enemies with proper mitigations

[@ressixsunstrider2909]

I found Dawntrail hard. However, am 61 years old with major hand & wrist issues. I have to wear braces to play most of the time. This means can not move fast. I can see people with disabilities having trouble doing the msq. Does that mean they should make it easier. The answer is no. They need to keep it this level for the younger people to keep their attention. Lucky for me I have a FC that the people care & help me with the content we do together. The know I can heal us through most stuff so they make the runs so that I am comfortable & we still get the stuff done. Right now we are working on EX1. We have not gotten it down yet but the group is having fun & we are all learning the fight. The raid gave me a lot of trouble but I saw it once I do not have to do again if I do not want to.

[@2Shiba]

Respect to your daring mindset sir

[@sumatrantyler]

i used to have anxiety so bad i could barely press the keys cause my hands were shaking so bad. i stuck to stuff i could manage (basically just msq roulette back when it was 8-man), i went to therapy, i started medication, then once i felt i could handle it, i started pushing myself a little more. over time it got better and better and now i've cleared multiple savage tiers, including in pf, and i've recently just cleared dsr. now, even in pf, my anxiety is super manageable and i don't even really notice it that much anymore. take the increased difficulty as an opportunity to grow and if you don't feel ready yet, then work your way up to it

[@peger]

my anxiety had to go awey when i lvup all my dps jobs and have to start tanking and healing. Astro4life xD

[@dollblossom_]

thank you!! honestly im still working on not worrying so bad and all of the other players in this game are just too sweet to not wanna get better too. happy to read that all is going well for you and im very inspired!

[@absolutefolly2011]

This is exactly it. Crippling anxiety is NOT some birth defect. ITS A PROBLEM THAT YOU NEED TO FIX. And I am glad to hear you worked on yourself and did so. well done lad.

[@DamianRavenhold]

Hydaelyn: “to live is to suffer” Smooth brainers: “but muh god complex”

[@KratomKid]

yup, its crazy

[@maybeitsyou1317]

Right up there with people who put others down on the internet to feel superior. Truly pathetic.

[@KratomKid]

@@maybeitsyou1317 His point is still valid and stands though regardless, no refuting it no matter how butthurt you are. 🤷‍♂

[@maybeitsyou1317]

@@KratomKid Figures you would assume I am butthurt. I am not. I could care less about how people feel about dying in game. To use that to try and feel superior is another level though. As I said. Truly pathetic. No refuting it no matter how butthurt you are.

[@KratomKid]

@@maybeitsyou1317 I just be talking shit bro dont take too much offense, lmao love you

[@wallmandummy]

wtf this has been the best normal content in a long time imo yes i had to learn a few new moves woo

[@coffeelink943]

The game isn’t design for everyone to be untouchable by mechanic lmao.. these people are bitching because they don’t learn and except Yoshi P to hold their hands again

[@Bongaboi151]

woo.

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@coffeelink943 Like, isn't even Yoshi himself saying that he fell asleep doing dungeons?

[@cynthiahembree3957]

Yeah honestly I had a lot of fun I started in ShB and EW was a let down for me. It felt even easier than ShB but without the small detail that I didn't know how to play the game in ShB. I'm comparing the months leading up to EW when I finally knew what I was doing btw. I love Dawntrails combat content though it's been great

[@noyou9379]

The normal mode raids are way more enjoyable so far. It has a touch of old school raiding brought back. I could only imagine the people complaining about the new raids trying to do the old school raids from the 90s and early 2000s where you really didn't have warnings and there wasn't time to get out. You literally had to be on your S game cause your A game would get you killed to not only raid bosses but raid mobs

[@WindupTerminus]

You mean when the only sign was the stopwatch hitting whatever the recast time was? :D

[@henriquerodrigues7795]

I still find honey b just really annoying but it's because of moving "ball" mechanics tbf. They just don't function in this game, even worse with ping. I'm hoping to God that fight doesn't have that on savage lol

[@nad613]

I'm legit curious as to what raiding was happening in the 90's

[@noyou9379]

@@nad613 EQ days

[@XAlpt]

@@henriquerodrigues7795 Nah savage doesn't have reactionary movement mechanics to moving things

[@ThottyBiscotti]

My experience with people with disabilities in this game has been quite different than some of the people in these forum posts. We have a guy in our criterion savage group that's quadriplegic (?) and cant use any of his limbs, instead plays with a chin stick. Great player, and tackles plenty of other high end content like DSR and such! I've raided with people that play with footpedals due to arthritis, and another like that one post that had crippling anxiety if they messed up even small things or got even the tiniest bit of criticism. All of these people have cleared Savage. I think most players regardless of ability can complete NORMAL content if they have the motivation and willingness to learn and improve, and are okay with failure. Generally the vocal minority that complains in these threads do not have any of these.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

I know a guy who is just a head. He cleared the T.o.P as a black mage. At the end of the day, everything is in the mind and people just like to make excuses for themselves, when other less fortunate have to triple their efforts to clear stuff

[@mukakruda8474]

There's people who claim disability as an excuse when they slow down the party, and then there's the people who have them, working their ass off to make sure they don't slow anyone down. I raid with 2 people that have pretty bad arthritis and they do perfectly fine, heck one of them is our most consistent on getting Orange, they just need a short break every pull or two. Personally I have one eye and am colorblind, but I'm one of the fastest in my group at solving puzzle mechs during blind prog because I look from a different angle since I can't use the color tells 🤷‍♂ I hate when posters claim or blame disabilities without knowing, they make the people who have them and are working hard to not hold anyone around them back look bad

[@xXxEqSxXx]

You only find that in NA i swear

[@EratoTiaTuatha]

Had someone pop a macro saying they had a disability and preemptively apologizing for not being that good at the game in normal raids a while back. As healer, I made sure to keep an eye on them a bit extra in case they needed the help. Guess who took the fewest vuln stacks of the whole party. Yep, the "not that good at the game" person ;)

[@heyfell4301]

Goodness gracious, if a guy is quadriplegic and can still clear a Savage this guy has won life. That's an insane level of dedication and skill!

[@dannyalexander6037]

I love the new dungeons, they're THE BEST thing about the expansion. The first time I did the 93 dungeon my team died on the first 2 boses so I had to solo as War then on the 95 dungeon I died on the first boss. Is it more difficult, yeah but its it's more fun too and this will eventually get easier for everyone with practise, knee jerk reactions are unwarented and it just feels like the healer strike

[@jdragoon099]

Considering how bad the story is, the dungeons and combat are absolutely wonderful this expansion. I would have quit if the combat wasn't so good!

[@Tashiro64]

dungeons are so great in DT, I did the first expert one yesterday and we wiped on every boss.. am I crying like ppl in this video? no, I went back, finally got the mechanics and we won and moved on, it's a BOSS, it's not supposed to be freaking brain dead lol ppl just try ONCE while being too stupid to even more out of a big orange circle and then cry on the forum that the game is too hard. I really hope yoshi p wont listen to these cry babies.. like it's already been said, these ppl played for 100 LEVEL !! and they cant MOVE out of a telegraph they've seen for 500h+ ! ..

[@kuroganekaze]

@@jdragoon099 "Considering how bad the story is" sure jan.

[@PunkFiddler]

Sure danny. Take soe time and read their (healer) manifesto and see how off your analogy is.

[@dannyalexander6037]

@@PunkFiddler I did there's some good points in the healers manifesto but there are some mechanics in the manifesto that will just make the healer class not just inefficient but also less fun to the point . Lets say if Square Enix implemented those particular mechanics people would want it removed again after a week or so.

[@Megamaniac15TF]

We're not in the baby level 1 content anymore. Like it or not we're in the level 100 big leagues now. It should play like it

[@saeleron]

as someone who was once too afraid to try hard content out of fear of not being good enough and holding others back i can understand and sympathize with those who struggle with the anxiety that comes from that even with normal raids but at the same time i've never wanted or even thought about wanting SE to make the game easier for me, if anything it made me self reflect and realize i needed to be better and just like with real life, you put time into something with the intent to learn and improve and you will indeed get gud, a lot of people frown on this saying, but the mentality is the kind you should strive to have, the world shouldnt and will never cater to you, so you just need to believe in yourself and put in the work and if you can't, then accept that its not for you and let it be, i don't know at which point in life we stop wanting to learn but trust me, you CAN do it and in the process you will make mistakes but thats ok, we all do.

[@WindupTerminus]

That's one thing, but the guy on the forum commented about having bad anxiety even while playing with trusts which I think is on a whole different level.

[@saeleron]

@@WindupTerminus i can agree but i feel like the solution is still the same as mine, watch guides, learn your job as best as you can and despite how you feel, do what makes you uncomfortable, i spent all of EW staring at PF too afraid to try anything, my anxiety whooped my ass but in DT i refused to let that be the case and it made me realize, people dont give a fuck as much as you think they do and i really missed out on an entire expansion due to anxiety and all i really needed to do was devote time and effort towards learning what needed to be learned, now with that being said i wouldnt tell them to go into PF and try extremes, but like at their pace, start taking steps to actually learning the game and getting comfortable with being uncomfortable.

[@rtbear674]

​@@zanido9073I use RDM, so there's always extra insurance. me

[@Kurainuz]

Today i saw a guy die 8 times to the donut mechanic the 2nd boss used, after being rescued twice and with people jumping on the inside of the donut, i dont even understand it anymore. Also a ton of healers not using the lb3 when only they are alive I consider myself a casual, im bad at understanding mecanics, i have bad reflexes, i also have arthritis and somehow a lot of times i end up alone alive.

[@marioaugustoribeiro619]

I see the LB healer thing happen, I keep saying at the chat "LB 3 healers?" And then we wipe haha

[@lonelyharvest408]

@@marioaugustoribeiro619 a lot of healers that only do normal content have never had to use an LB3. I didn't until I started levelling a DPS and played healer in current EX1/2 (DT is the first expansion I've been around for the release). Many don't even have it on hotbar because normal dungeons, raids, trials, etc. are all So easy that it's not necessary until you reach hard content like extremes.

[@marioaugustoribeiro619]

@@lonelyharvest408 yeah, that make sense.

[@taniabaron-dostie2291]

Healer here. I have the LB button on my hotbar, tho I don't use it until I'm told to because people have been mad at me before. I also had to deal with resing a whole party without a lb3, so I tend to try to do that.

[@kellevichy]

@@taniabaron-dostie2291 it's an extreme DPS loss to rez everyone one by one; i seriously would not do that. If so many bodies are on the ground that you're even thinking about healer lb3, use LB3. When people are raised they have a plenlty on them and a big one. LB3 offers no plenty. People who get mad about it don't know how to play the game; just tune them out.

[@Gaoull]

I’ll be mean for you, Xeno! That first person was just fine listing all the things MC and HC players have, but failed to list all of the things that casual players have, so i will list it here: MSQ, dungeons, lvling classes, trusts and squadrons, fates and bicolor gemstone farms, hunt trains, treasure hunts, gathering, crafting and custom deliveries, island sanctuary, housing, house decorating and venues, RP, V&C dungeons, beast tribes and relic weapon farming (especially lvl 50,60 and 90 relics). These people need to realize that a normal raid is still a raid and that it would be difficult to them if they suck at the game. And when i say suck, i mean suck. Ive had dark knights in my lvl 90 and even 100 dungeons that admitted they only lvled with daily leveling roulette and dont know know their abilities. These are the same casual players that go into raid content and complain it’s too hard. I dont think any of them even have a fundamental understanding of their class. Of course, thats fine. Nobody should be forced to, but if they play like that and then complain about things being hard online, they should, at the very least, expect to get flamed cuz I ain’t buying their sob stories. I think another thing these people forget is that the game’s difficult is supposed to rise. Level 100 raids should be harder than level 50 raids. Why? because the players at level 100 should and do have more experience. Thats just how games works.

[@l0vesick_xo]

im a quadriplegic with a spinal cord injury and i found dawntrail's dungeons, trials, & raid fine. sure there were new mechanics & "tells", but i found them pretty fun & felt accomplished after clearing. i even managed to clear ex1 & 2. my logs arent great but im trying my best. personally i found asphodelos more challenging than the arcadian.

[@scullzomben]

I'd say that the Dawntrail normal raids ARE for sure harder than Shadowbringers or Endwalker, but that is because they are now a 2/10 instead of a 1/10 difficulty.

[@Henurisongs]

endwalker id agree but this is just normal shb launch dificulty. in 3 weeks when people get tome chestpiece and crafted sets the tier magically becomes easier.

[@arohk4415]

I really see no difference in difficulty, The mechanics still go off super slow , bosses cast their abilities for at least 5 seconds before they go off. i mean.. look at Black Cat when she does her left/right Claw Attacks at the beginning, i can go make dinner and take a shower before that goes off.

[@Th3hUnT3R1]

@@arohk4415 I don't think anyones talking about black cat, but I just spent like 5 pulls in m3 and then the group disbanded. And people didnt die to new telegraphs or some bullshit Xeno talked about, but because casual gamers have issues with keeping up with his combo wrestling move when its combined with other stuff (like dropping aoes everywhere). I've never seen a normal raid disband because the group just could not keep up. Like everyone undestood the mechanic, they did it seperately before, but it was just too fast for them. Raiders always forget how far they are removed from the average ffxiv player. I agree that most of the issues will go away with more gear, but its for sure quite a bit harder than before. Really enjoy M3 though, insanely fun to uptime as a Dragoon.

[@insentia8424]

Same difficulty, the only difference is you need to learn what a telegraph means, rather than only seeing telegraphs already known from the last dozens of levels.

[@Merumya]

@@Henurisongs agree. I was in e11 normal today as a healer, and around 5 ppl died, some repeatedly. and thats old content. same or even more deaths than in M1-4 right now. ppl just forgot to use their brain just a little bit. give them time to uncog their screws and they will be able to do it again. ppl grow from challenges, as we say in germany.

[@BiscuitsV2]

I think what they mean by overlapping mechanics is multiple mechanics happening at once. And I'm confused by that because every other expansion does that too. In fact there isn't a single thing in DT that I saw that I couldn't compare to another MSQ encounter. It makes me wonder how they even made it through Stormblood if they think Dawntrail is unplayable.

[@alexandermiller4438]

I cleared EX1 with a bard that had 50% uptime on his GCDs.. Game's too hard

[@DarkDyllon]

someone in 1 of these threads cleared the 2nd boss of the last MSQ dungeon with trust with mostly RP walking, game is 100% too hard.

[@ngwoo]

My first EX1 clear had everyone else parsing single-digit grey - and I didn't do good either. 37 or something. We didn't even see the full tankbuster before the enrage. They're very generous with everything below Savage.

[@SkankyNugget]

I cleared that same ex with a healer who said "that tornado spawned under me!" farm party btw

[@Yokai_Yuri]

​@@ngwooThey are generous, yet you parse 😂🤡

[@Frogstoney]

@@Yokai_Yuriwhat’s that supposed to mean? Some people enjoy seeing their numbers. Some people use it as a self improvement tool. The only clown I see here is your vague ass

[@GelatinousGesticulation]

The raids really aren't that bad lol! I really hope they don't cater to them and tone the raids down, that would be a bummer honestly. This is the first time I've ever actually been current and got to experience the raids on day one with everyone and it was freaking fun! The only one I wiped on multiple times in df was the third one lol but we figured it out and made it through.

[@JohnSmith-dp2jd]

Some duties definitely do have tighter windows to move than older dungeons, compare Foreign Entity Removal on Antivirus X to Tentacle Dig on Ambujam for example, but for the most part it's just less obvious telegraphs. I've seen people complaining about the green goo on Herpekaris, but once they know to look for the raised leg it's just a normal left/right cleave. Instead of spelling it out on the floor you need to look at the boss and arena and read the cast bar names, and I think that's generally an improvement. If you're struggling to learn it, pick a job you know well that has good mobility and just run it a few times while focusing on staying alive. Optimize your uptime once you know the telegraphs and how to not die instead of staring at your hotbars.

[@ngwoo]

Foreign Entity Removal is the most fun normal dungeon boss mech they've ever made imo

[@strawberrysundaes]

I'm not afraid to say that there were a few things in DT that caught me offguard in the dungeons, trials and normal raids so far. Made me eat that dirt real good, but is that a bad thing? Absolutely not! It's the mindset of people not stopping for a single moment in the middle of the fight of.. "Okay.. well how did that kill me? What did I get hit by?" It's the inability for rational thinking and it's sad that there genuinely are some folks out there that want to be drooling and spamming 1-2-3 for their entire lives.

[@ShikiRyougi05]

I honestly think that this forum post is INSANELY embarassing. I didn't think it was possible to play a game for this long and be this bad.

[@ShikiRyougi05]

Also that other person being stuck in a dungeon after playing for 6 years and then having the audacity to swipe aside advice because they "know how to play the game"!?!?

[@deepblueatticus]

@@ShikiRyougi05 some of these people need to upload their gameplay 😂 ain’t no way you play six years and still suck. All dude has to do is watch a MTQcapture video to learn the dungeon.

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@deepblueatticus Yeah I mean I suck but not "I can't beat a dungeon" kinda bad

[@Mr15moss]

I really really really hope this is a minority, yoship pls ignore this forum post !

[@lazersharkbro1911]

he will because its not jp forums LOL

[@kimfry4019]

Yea but look what he's doing to viper after some people complaining it was too busy, so don't be surprised if he tries nerfiing the dungeons.

[@Mr15moss]

I mean the viper thing isn't really about skill. People didn't like how busy it is not how hard. Busy and hard is not the same

[@SateLight]

he said he'll stop listening to stupid posts and inputs that are bad like this in the media tour QnA.

[@ahtnazec5611]

I think we should really focus on putting good feedback on the content as well so that YoshiP will see that this is a good direction. If all he sees is bad feedback, then all he is gonna listen to is bad feedback

[@d0tsf0rlife]

I'm so sick of lazy incompetent players who refuse to put any effort into the game because it breaks their headcanon immersion or they respond with "You don't pay my sub". They whine about anything they can't access or clear but refuse to put in the work.

[@Pancombine18]

I just grew to hate casuals they do bare minimum and believes they are entitled for clear

[@brandonfrancis1941]

@@Pancombine18 Hey not all us casuals are like that. I try improve and learn, went to the balance discord to learn optimal rotations. Even leveling other classes so I can have a basic idea of what the rest of my group should be doing while I'm tank- oh... wait... Am I no longer a casual? lmao I mean I don't really do savage. Mostly because the static doesn't stay static for very long...

[@Pancombine18]

@@brandonfrancis1941 As long you arent one of these people crying about how DT is too hard you are passable.

[@Vokcas01]

@@Pancombine18 Tbh I have seen a lot of savage raiders complain in the new dungeons its too hard and raid quit. Its funny, without the "gear cushion" people real abilities are shown.

[@Pancombine18]

@@Vokcas01 """""RAIDERS""""""

[@Merumya]

ppl grow from challenges, as we say in germany. when I was done playing through the MSQ (started when shb was around) I learned A LOT. I think the learning curve is quite good. slowly, over dozens of dungeons and trials you get introduced to all the mechanics, they usually start non-threatening and get more and more serious. but by the time failing one becomes a problem, youve seen them quite often and should have learned how to deal with them. but since endwalker was way too easy, it seems lots of ppl have forgotten all they knew and now they bitch about it. challenge them again, MAKE them re-learn and everything will be fine.

[@michielmanders9766]

People say that anywhere, it's one of the most used expressions on planet earth because it's so intensely obvious, lmao. I'm pretty sure even the Neanderthals said it.

[@WindupTerminus]

I think it's a bit harder mainly because some mechanics are a bit faster than in previous expansions, like the venom blobs in M2 or the 2nd part of the lariat combo in M3.

[@jakkandjing]

The first boss in the Alexandria dungeon, the last dungeon for Dawntrail msq, it's O/+ sequence is pretty fast. Like I need to mentally prepare how to move the moment each section pops off with how tight the movement is. I'm not complaining, just stating a personal observation.

[@eyelesscrow69]

most of the mechanics in the "Casual" content don't have the grace period like most previous expansions did but instead its more like they took the old expert dungeons and made it the standard in the expansion, it doesn't seem like there's a noticeable difference in difficulty when it comes to other fresh beginnings at the start of an expansion but it seems that everyone wants to instantly go to the forums and complain at the slightest inconvenience to them.

[@coffeelink943]

@@WindupTerminus the game is harder because EndWalker made everyone brain dead lmao

[@MidnightEkaki]

It is harder but its lvl 100 so it should be harder and its not by a lot either. Its also harder the first time you play it then you play it some more learn and get better gear and it becomes easier. Im no means a great player but i can do that lol

[@batwingpie]

It is BECAUSE I play casually that I really love the more challenging fast pace of the new raids. Casual doesn't mean I want the game to hold my hand and allow me to ride a rainbow to complete the content - it means I don't want to commit to anything and come and go as I feel. I already can see that when I am familiar with all the mechanics it will be fun and keep me paying attention because of the pacing. I hope they don't stop moving in the direction they are going.

[@xMrShadow]

I’ve always been a fan of bosses that cause party wipes on the first try.

[@ErrorGameManiac]

dungeons should have 2 modes casual with npc or harder with players. (not extreme hard but hard and extreme is not that hard really)

[@TheYoMandude]

Look, I was on the Prime in Aetherochemical Plant and no one would stack on the ORANGE line AoE marker. They said it was a tank buster...on me as a DPS.

[@Mysterious_XIV]

You hear about people struggling on fights and dungeons, then you go and look at their PoV and see that they're clicking every ability, they have hotbars of emote/mounts/minions taking up 75% of their screen, and they're zoomed in on their 2b thigh glam

[@Mynkon]

LMFAO

[@Sianostrakarenrenren]

"I can learn the fight." *Admits to dying 9 times* They could not, in fact, learn the fight.

[@deepblueatticus]

And it’s on normal…not even hard or savage mode 😂

[@ch0biq]

Incoming wall of text so I apologize in advance. It is so. So. SO beyond disappointing to listen to people go "I've been playing since [x]". I haven't played MMO's in almost a decade (when 'Mechanics' didn't really even exist in the space outside of just "this boss does 1 thing"), came to play XIV a couple of months before Shadowbringers came out - dealt with healer anxiety, tank anxiety, etcetc. Why? Because I was *learning* and was concerned that I would get blacklisted from even trivial content due to not playing at perfect performance. Believe me when I say this: I crash coursed Savage raids playing with people incredibly good at the game, dipped my toes into UItimates with those people (DSR) only to realize that I was simply not ready for that content yet. I listened to people complain about the game being "too easy" for all of Dawntrail due to everything being standardized and homogenized; "we want hard content and job identity back" Now that they have ANYTHING of any realistic calibur of fun where there's things that can actually fail and you learn... "OMG GAME TOO HARD I WANT FREE TROPHIES FOR SIMPLY EXISTING" Like come the fuck on, man. Side note: Spoopy Manor is still a pain in the ass only because Square can't do Orb Mechanics properly (I blame animation to server tick hitboxing and it being inherently unreliable), its been a consistent complaint for 3 Expansions now, that Orb styled resolving is just a hassle (See: Proggo Froggo Memes with Light Rampant from E8) - I could be in drifting the toes of one Orb being perfectly fine, where I could be out in Narnia and have 30 of those assholes divekick me from orbit to put that stupid hat on my head. People complaining that mechanics are now two or three (expected to have been learned or seen by now) previously experienced mechanics that are conjoined? Seriously? R1: L/R Swipes which has been the Dawntrail Special, Dash Passing which is another Dawntrail Special, a Move Adjustment which has been seen in 5 separate fights by now, and Glass breaking with a HUGE layout of where you are landing - Clearly E10N was just too big brain for people to have a giant blinking light to determine when to get off a pad. R2: Orbs, Lines and Dont-stand-in-the-bad. LP Stacks for Managing a meter may be a "nuance" but there's nothing new. It just all resolves at more than one thing at once. The humanity! R3: Really? Titan+EmeraldWeapon and now the puddles are Dark damage. ARR Content and SHB Content is "too hard" to figure out at the same time? R4: Don't Stand in the Bad, the movie, the book, the video game of the television series. Yes, everyone learns at a different pace. Yes, this is simply pattern recognition and some people cant. There are a lot of circumstances here but most people complaining about things being "too hard" are the same ones that refused to ever learn basic tenants of game mechanics and how they function. But for people to be expecting an instant hand-out is just beyond the pale pathetic. Ask people in party, learn together, god forbid if you say "Sorry I am simply not quite understanding this" after a wipe. The people just expecting instant gratification are the reason the last expansions combat was so game-riskingly stale that a lot of long-term players quit. Signed: Someone playing on 170 Ping, learned this game on a massive crash course and still gets to have fun in Savage and Ultimate content because that's part of the challenge.

[@Khiran2006]

Maybe this is the wrong take.. but as someone who has leveled the 'trust system' characters to level caps in SHB and EW ( and will likely in DT as well) I find it difficult for people to not be able to complete dungeons. The trust characters actively move out of mechanic (like 95% of the time), which if you don't know the mechanics, follow the npcs? Yes i do understand that trust sucks if you die because it causes a party wipe and yeah that sucks, but the npcs show you where to go. SO I don't understand someone doing duty support and not being able to clear the level 93 dungeon ( they were a 94 RDM main, assuming that's the class they are stuck on). So my question is when you do trust, and you struggle, do you not follow the npcs? Dungeon bosses don't have timers so even if you just followed them doing mechanics only they would complete the dungeon for you. It will take longer but it is doable.

[@medivh1035]

Don't underestimate how bad people can be. The problem is they are also customers. So, The solution is to add a "very easy" to trust system where you got like 999 lives So It is impossible to fail. Yes, they can do that. If you do trials with npc, l think you get like 3 lives? ff14 doesn't need to repeat the mist of pandaria's failed attempt to improve playerbase's skill level.

[@yoooo790]

The problem is that most people aren't as coherent as they think.

[@yep8058]

That just shows how low the casual bar is in this game. This is why we can't have fun midcore content.

[@FernandoMoraes-wi9os]

Since I won't have much time to learn and clear this savage raid tier, It's nice to see the increased dificulty of the dungeons and normal content.

[@Renekin93]

Some of these people, seriously sit there on a forum for hours to complain about the difficulty, but then claim they don't have time to learn a 5 minute encounter which is solvable by standing in the center and moving 3 steps more often than not.

[@iChannelz88]

Ironically one thing i’ve learn throughout the many years since i’ve played this game from 1.0 to now and pugged majority of all savage is that the true toxicity in this game are these casuals who doesn’t care. They won’t hesitate to vote kick you in duty for lame excuses, “you pull you tank”-mentality in dungeons and flip tables over being told to do something ingame and call you a no life neckbeard for doing savage. I recall i even saw some casual bashing raiders on forums over that they put the axolotl mount in P12S I can count the amount of bad encounters i’ve had with “hardcore raiders” on 2 hands in Savage from ARR to now and the amount of toxic casuals i’ve met i’ve lost count by now because it’s far too many. And they like to make it out that it’s the raiding community that’s the toxic one

[@sidneysill8495]

The content is a pleasant change and super refreshing. As a mid tier savage casual raider. (Healer)

[@shadowsapphire100183]

I did the M1 and M2 last night as a Black Mage. Loved them, especially M2. We wiped 3 times since half the people were first-timers. I'm looking forward to M3 and M4 tonight. And remember, for those learning a new raid or dungeon. Just like in real life, wiping is a learning experience!

[@kellevichy]

JP player here - we don't do savage in duty finder. We use party finder like everyone else. IDK where they're getting their info from.. everyone else i know that's seen this and is on JP is laughing at that statement ( and well.. everything else being said ).

[@Dynme]

I used to hear all the time about JP using DF more for clears on hard content. Not something I've heard in years though, so maybe it's just super outdated at this point.

[@rtbear674]

​@@Dynmeon EW EX trials I did run EX2 on DF a few times. But better in PF.

[@stormblessed2673]

I used to play on JP Elemental during Shadowbringers. And did my weekly savage clears of Eden 5s to 8s on duty finder. Still did prog using party finder to learn strategy and get first clear, but there were enough queuing on duty finder to get clears every week. Is that no longer true, just a few years later in Dawntrail?

[@Navi_xoo]

People do Duty Finder Savage / Extremes on JP.. idk what you're talking about. I've literally watched JP players do them and get quick queues. But yes people also use PF.

[@blancneige4952]

@@Dynme It is outdated information that got jumbled somewhere. Savage in DF was never a common occurrence. It's not like statics don't exist, it's just that the normal/non-normal content-goer mix amongst players in FCs generally force non-normal raiders to have partial statics. It's often filled with PUGers in PF, which are basically another partial static, so things generally go better than NA. Since HW, it has been quite normal amongst serious non-normal content-goers to server/DC hop to Mana DC. Mostly on Mana DC, Extremes used to be DFed. This quickly became obsolete as Undersized Party became Unrestricted Party, the former being restricted to certain content and not dropping rewards. (PF made DF queues irrelevant as well, especially with the Completion status.) The average player's skill and understanding is definitely higher than NA, though when it comes to the top players, its equal. It's interesting to take in each side's opinions where the foundation of thought of JP's is majority: "Games are meant to be a challenge. Challenges are fun and they take time to conquer." On the other hand, NA's is: "Games are meant to be fun and a source of relaxation. I only want challenges when and if I want them." Don't get me wrong, there are JP casuals who are complaining about difficulty. But I agree with them since they complain about Straysborough Deadwalk and not the normal raids. The normal raids honestly were the easiest first 4 (idk how 1層 is called). Why I understand complaints to Straysborough Deadwalk is the 1st boss' Spirited Charge (that one "bullet hell" M2 gimmick that everyone seems to be complaining about) is a mix of random and targeted, with a very long disabling debuff, unlike M2. (Falling to the floor is much easier to process than being forced in limbo useless, an universally hated negative effect any basic game designer should know.) 2nd boss has the saucer thing which uses a different part of the brain (JP also has a burning hate for ghostleg mechanics, basically most things that require decent short term memory.) 3rd boss is decent since it has warnings but Straysborough Deadwalk is overall, probably one of most "requires you to do your own homework" IDs since SB/HW. Mechanics being annoying and non-intuitive is not the type of difficulty most want or at least feel good playing with but it's inevitable since apparently they want to move the difficulty away from execution but to mind games, as seen with the mostly negative job additions/changes.

[@Astral8-Bitz]

Anxiety to a near panic attack level from normal mode and playing with peeps in general is wild

[@gpturismo]

The problem is people aren't coming in mid series release with people having gear that out gears most fights. Welcome to progression even in normal content, and especially in optional raids.

[@holowisewolf1688]

I'm Sacae, actually had a bunch more posts, but squeenix gave me a 10 day ban and deleted most of them. Big fan, i reference your thoughts on midcore in a later post.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

That makes a lot more sense honestly. I'm guessing the disability comment is in regards to people using disabilities as a reason behind why content should be easier again? I know that was what people were saying about Shadow of the Erdtree, going as far as saying that being a parent is a disability now

[@holowisewolf1688]

​@@chelsthegameruiner8669yeah, whenever something remotely difficult pops up in the game, suddenly half of the game's population is octogenarian stroke survivors with color blindness and anxiety. I actually have several disabled friends who I help once or twice a week to get groups together to run content, mostly dungeons and alliance raids, and seeing people who I'm half convinced are just trolling use disabilities as an excuse to take things away from other players just triggers me.

[@InvictusRed1911]

Yeah I got a 10 day ban on OF before lol fuck that place. I'm not even some super hardcore dick waving sweaty raider (look up my logs, character name is the same), I just think ppl need to grow up. There are acrual hard games in the world. I suck at all souls-adjacent games and I don't bitch about difficulty; I just git gud.

[@holowisewolf1688]

​@@InvictusRed1911the guy who told me that my logs aren't representative of the player base didn't even check. Prior to DT, I haven't done extreme or savage on content in years, my logs are empty. These guys are just whining.

[@SuguSugux]

10 day ban in game or the forum? also sacae we where screaming in discord " LET THEM COOK, LET SACAE COOOOK"

[@barsona]

I understand for anxiety in savage, because I have that too (even in practice parties) However, if there people talking shit in normal content about how bad player A is, or Player A is bitching at you to "do better", I don't think that's the devs fault but the community who allowed it to happen in the first place.

[@martam307]

I remember when Hydaelyn trail was fresh, there was this type of a player that would just start to die the moment there was red/green/blue in/out/cardinals followed by a spread. It was impossible to keep them alive, even if you salvage their butt once with some ogcd, you can't save them 3ish times in a row unless it's a tank. Sometimes you had 3 or more headless chickens like that, bonus if one of them was your cohealer - they'd sometimes be so flustered they wouldn't even ogcd themselves, not to mention helping with other chickens. I recently was thrown into Hydaelyn and I saw those chickens again and no, it wasn't that person who was watching the cutscene - they got 2 vulns and lived just fine. Those crafter mentor chickens reminded me how people die on cactus boss. Like, cactus literally does the same mechanic twice in a row, if you're flustered, just copy someone else. It took me like 3 runs with randoms before my friend told me about the cactus without pink flower (I have no eye for details like that, I was super bad at 'find 5 differences' tasks lol). Before learning about pink flower I never died to it, because I just parroted other folks.

[@healgo527]

Ive been waiting for the up in difficulty cause its been on easy mode tbh. Kinda goes back to the lack of healing well im doing a lot of healing and a lot of i need to pay attention so i can stay alive lol. Ask so shall it be given. AST GANG!

[@Shingeki__]

It's kind of crazy how people out themselves so easily as being dense. Bro really said he just refuses to learn from his mistakes and it's SE fault.

[@vukkulvar9769]

Someone went to say to the world "I'm dumb and you won't change me"

[@Azdaja13]

Because stupidity is seen as cool in modern culture while intelligence is derided.

[@Emire]

Xeno starts his own "rate my dungeon run" series.

[@The_Summoning]

That person that explained their anxiety, that's how I feel when doing savage and is the reason I had to stop. The fact they finished DT like that, is incredible to me.

[@deejudanne460]

theres not really a single random mechanic in the entire game though, everything scripted... love threads like these

[@Ranziel1]

I mean, there are, like in EX 1. But there are far and few in between.

[@iPlayOnSpica]

Random player targeting is sometimes a thing, and if the boss picks from a number of patterns, which one it picks is usually random (though obviously how a pattern plays out is seldom random). Like the other comment said, ex1 for example picks at random the order of ice vs. thunder phase, as well as cone vs. donut vs. point-blank (but will never do the same one twice in a row)

[@amethonys2798]

​@iPlayOnSpica okay and? You still get 50 years to adjust. The only bad overlap is the fire phase half room volcano into breath IF you forget to recenter first and have to book it across the room. Every other "random" choice gives you 10 years to forget what it does and still probably adjust in time.

[@iPlayOnSpica]

@@amethonys2798 My point? Just that there's some degree of random but with a great deal of predictability. Literally small talk, not sure what I said to invite your unwelcome condescending attitude

[@JS-kr8fs]

I don't know what you mean. Bozja's CLL is just full of random mechs, that can make or break a group depending on how bad your luck is. Some days Adrammelech isn't feeling donuts and everything is gravy, and some days it's every other orb, and your raid has went through 20 revives while at 50%.

[@robvog8011]

As someone with a disability (I have a degrading eye disease) my struggle is with all the flashing/explosions and telegraphs. I get blinded quite often when a lot things are going off at the same time. And yes I have all unnecessary FX turned down or off. (And yes, my doctor suggests that I not play video games. But once a gamer always a gamer. haha) Luckily ALL the fights in FFXIV have a pattern. Some combinations of patterns may be random but as long as you learn and memorize the patterns you can determine which one is being used next. I do take longer then most players to learn fights simply because I have to memorize the patterns. And I use A LOT of audio tells. (Fun fact some may not have noticed is that many of the fights phases are in time with the music. I can tell when something is coming up simply by where we are in the song's arrangement.) Again, luckily FFXIV has duty support and trusts that I utilize very very often to learn on my own. I use them every day faithfully after I'm done my dailies to continue to get better. I have not done the DT raids yet (1) because I'm still working on my gear score to actually get in and (2) because it sounds more difficult then prior raids. I do not do any content above normal/hard not because I dont want to try but I dont want to put any other players in the position to deal with my deaths. LOL That all said- I wish (at least) for the normal 8 man raids that SE would allow duty support so that I can learn the fights on my own first and figure out the patterns. NOTE: I started ARR at the end of February and completed post-EW content two days before DT's Early Access. I have all ARR, HW, StB and most of ShB fights memorized and am working my way up. I thank the devs for having duty support and trusts for people like me. EDIT: OH and I do not think the content is that much more difficult than previous expansions and I would never complain about the fights because I realize that my struggle is my own and would never ruin other's people experience to make things easier for me.

[@danferrusquia2819]

At the risk of sounding insensitive, what possesses someone with severe social anxiety to play an MMORPG? Unless your intention is to use online gaming as a therapeutic tool, why would you put yourself in that situation? I’ve seen multiple people complaining that the game “forces” you to interact with others and like…what were you expecting?

[@Navi_xoo]

I don't think these people genuinely have anxiety or at the least are being genuine. Either trolling or using it as a scapegoat to explain away their negative behaviors and gameplay. People with anxiety still want social interaction. Just without the judgment and commitment involved in real life nuance social interaction

[@XAlpt]

@@Navi_xoo Yeah, not sure about social anxiety but introverts are way more likely to be the one starting conversations in this game compared to irl

[@shelflord1686]

@@Navi_xooI wouldn't say they are trolling, these types of people are too common, and share simillar patterns. In my opinion, they're covert narcissists who just want to self-sabotage for attention.

[@cynthiahembree3957]

I do have social anxiety and I can say I like MMOs because my anxiety is less severe online. It's one of the few ways I feel I can socialize. I also feel it helps me tackle things that make my anxiety worse like being socially awkward. Basically I can learn to just be less anxious around people without being directly around people. I know it sounds weird but it's nice for me.

[@StormierNik]

16:04 I actually have a friend like this, but she's gotten a lot better over time while getting out of her comfort zone. She always looks up videos before even doing dungeons to see how to do the mechanics because she doesn't want to fail for other people. She's not even bad at the game though, which is something she had to steadily realize and has slowly gotten more comfortable doing content through just queuing roulettes of things they already know. To where now the shakes dont happen anymore at all. It takes time, but people have to be willing to change, and they can improve.

[@Auraflare2280]

I have disabilities (anxiety being one of them) and I don't mind the new content (barring the first boss in the Deadwalk dungeon, that one I have issues with). I still raid savage and ultimates (granted not in HC), and actually enjoy the challange. I have learned ways to make my disabilities less impactful on my play, like using controller to keep my back from seizing, adjusting rotations a little bit to keep my hands from cramping (to much weaving causes issues for me), and knowing which mechanics will cause a freeze reactions for me and thus having to use a follow the herd tactic to get through it. My numbers on the forbidden abacus ain't great, but they are decent. I have cleared 6 raid tiers on content, and 3 of the older ultimates on top of it. Almost made it through DSR before my previous ult static disbanded, so found a new one and looking forward to redoing TEA with em soon. So disabilities are not an excuse, even though it makes things more difficult. I had a feeling that some of the more casual people out there would have problems with the new content, but it's still doable if you pay attention to the new telegraphs.

[@Kenzi0815]

"Forbidden Abacus" is hilarious and I'm gonna refer to it like that in the future - you made my day sir/madam

[@SadTB2]

kinda glad to not be the only one who thinks the first boss in that holloween dungeon is crazy. Not even lethal, it's hard figuring out the paterns of those zombies while dodging the exas haha

[@zukikookie]

I'm a 100% casual player and I have loved every dungeon, trial, and the new raids so far. They were pretty easy to pick up even after a wipe or two. I am looking forward to the next tier of the normal raids and this has made me want to take a shot at savage.

[@feitan7130]

Why does everyone feel like they have to be able to perfect a fight off the bat? This was the most fun I had doing raids in a long time, it's okay to die and wipe as long as you're trying. This makes me miss HW so much, I was a terrible player and I struggled with a lot of fights but I always had so much fun learning and improving. It's why I do all of these fights blind, because that experience of not knowing what's going on and dying while learning is so important to me. I also... people being shit at these raids actually makes it more fun for me, I love a bit of a struggle, and it's the whole reason I got half as good at healer. Reviving parties from near dead and continuing to clear.

[@raymondrodriguez5715]

Casual be doing Casual things. I hope the devs ignore em.

[@ProfiteerProphet]

I kind of hate how casual became synonym with braindead. Casual, to me, always meant that you don't want the game to be a commitment, that you don't want to have to log on x number of times a week, or that you don't want to have to play for extended periods of time.

[@Diddz]

Theyre not even at casual level of bad, theyre at the cuphead journalist who couldnt beat the tutorial level of bad

[@SniperKing-O]

​@Diddz Dean Takahashi. I memorized his name because he was so hilariously bad, lol!

[@AgentRedShirt]

A smooth sea never made a good sailor. That’s why people complain about game being boring. Instead of actually getting good they want everything reduced to nothing. It’s supposed to be hard. It’s new content. Pick yourself up and do it again. And again until you get it.

[@NEO-jy3yn]

I am semi-casual, not hardcore in any way, and I think the fights are awesome and should stay the way they are. These fights actually make you think and plan your next move. If you die, get up and try again. Everytime I die, I laugh it off, especially like when I smudged off the side in M1, trying to get out of something else.

[@Cranson92]

I've said this on another video about this thread, but time investment does NOT equal knowledge or skill. I'm a recently reformed Warrior one trick with 2000 hours of playtime over the course of about 2 years. I've cleared almost all EX trials on release, and the 2nd savage tier of Pandemoniun. I didnt know until 2 WEEKS ago that tank ranged attacks had increased emnity, and I found out from a friend who barely has any hours on tank. No matter how good you think you are or how much effort you think you're putting in, you can always learn or do more.

[@BelialGahava]

i read all the BS on this post, most of people just want to have a visual novel instead of a mmorpg. They find the fight "hard" and dont want to learn the bare minimum of the fight. This people need to understand that dying is part of the game and not the end of the world. Nobody care about the number of death in normal mode, that's why the fight is "basic" and dont have an enrage for the most part ( and that's why the infamous honey B fight have tower BEFORE the "aoe hell" ). If you die because you fucked up , take 2 sec to think about why and how to dodge ( wich is in most of the case press "WASD" and stop doing anything else if you struggle ). It's ok in normal fight to stop dpsing etc... to do a mechanic where you struggle... i cant understand these people.

[@l33tg4m3rl0lz]

I'm tanking my way through this expansion and finally encountering wipes. Mostly it's the healers going down and no DPS with rez capabilities. And that's fine! I'm kind of glad that this one is asking more of the group.

[@Eclipsewolf8765]

About the anxiety, my wife is like that. She's still level 80 on like 5 classes, no 90s or 100s. Mostly does Trust. Still loves the game, mostly Father's and crafts.

[@WindupTerminus]

Also regarding people being unable to do normal mode dungeons/trials, I raided savage back in deltascape with a guy who could only play with one hand. And deltascape savage was definitely harder than anything that has been released so far in Dawntrail.

[@Slybandito7]

its like the same thing with fighting games and motion inputs, im reminded of a player called brolylegs whod play with his mouth and was competitive. People really underestimate what they are capable of.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

​@@Slybandito7I used to be friends with someone as a kid who was born with one arm. He was crazy at Call of Duty and Twisted Metal, used his left foot to move the joystick and press the trigger buttons

[@nebula8851]

So I'm a Dancer Main, and Dawntrail dungeons were spicy on my first run-through. Know what I did? Took White Mage (my comfort job) into those same dungeons and studied the fights. Up to Skydeep Cenote as I'm typing this, and Maulskull is probably the spiciest boss so far, only because you HAVE to pay attention to its animations.

[@StriderIK]

Of course the ffxiv community is complaining about difficulty, all they do is erp and porn shoots so the moment they step into somewhat challenging content it’s all downhill

[@worivil]

I'm currently stuck on the first boss of the level 99 dungeon. I'm struggling with the timing with dogging hand motions move. Every time I get stuck, I go off and level my crafting skills instead.

[@hkoizumi3134]

I know a recent player to FF14 who is super casual. She recently finished ARR and I saw her play through it. I am not gonna name her here because I don't her to gain negative attention. She's genuinely a nice person on KZbin. This post reminded me of this KZbinr. She struggle thru dungeons and aren't used to playing long periods. Just as an example, Castrum was a marathon to her. Knowing her, I have no doubt that forum author is legit. Frankly, I worry some of the dungeon will be too much for her and it would be the end of that KZbin series in her channel. I hope it isn't because I enjoy watching her play because it's different from others I have seen.

[@jebus56162]

I domt think there's anything that can be done about that, sounds like it's not the game for her

[@livingreverie5951]

I think that’s the moment she should’ve realized MMORPGs aren’t for her If ARR was a marathon and no less Castrum I highly doubt this is a game she’d enjoy long term and better advised to try something else If she sticks with it then the best of luck to her but I Really don’t wanna accidentally find her channel cause of recommendations saying that she didn’t like FF14 cause it was “boring and too long” The backlash of That is going be worst

[@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7]

If its an emergency just carry her through it unsynced. 😊 protect the good streamers and kind peoples.

[@livingreverie5951]

@@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7 The problem is that doing so, most of the narrative weight or desperation in fighting just Dies if All they experience story wise in terms of combat is seeing stuff get one shot that then leaves her on a steep back foot for the single player combat stuff

[@kellevichy]

@@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7 People don't learn a thing when they get carried.

[@Ladyniight]

those peoples crying that the game is too hard are the same type of person that SPAM HARDCAST JOLT 3 on rdm for the entire fight. There is casual players and those who are putting 0 effort to learn at a minimum skill their class.

[@The_Summoning]

Makes me kinda sad that people will do the duty once, die a bunch, say it's too hard, and never touch it again. I felt similarly when I got Iconoclasm when it first came out. But after the 5th or so try of dying over and over, and I finally got it, it was one of the best feelings. And then being able to help others through it, and seeing it click for them, it's amazing. There's no better feeling when you get through a hard part of the game and can do it. Was something I loved about savage. P1S was my first savage and became so easy to me, when I went back to normal, it was a weird feeling. And I finally understood the raiders who would die in normal because they tried to do the savage mechanics lol. It's just sad how quickly people give up and complain. Embrace that you're gonna die at first. It's okay to get frustrated, but don't just give up. I see people do that too much, even in PvP lol. When you're dead for most of the fight, keep paying attention. Watch the mechanics. There were raids and trials where I was dead majority of the time, I'm a dogshit player. But I kept watching, so I could see the mechanics without worrying about dying. Cause I was dead lol. Don't just give up.

[@Oneofthecoments]

M3 has overlapping mechanics with the bombs. After like 25% you are gonna die unless you actually understand the mechanic. Still not hard in my opinion, it’s just a lot of easy stuff all at once. I think some people have been successful by just following the mob and not actually understanding what’s happening for 6+years lol.

[@amethonys2798]

The issue is people just greed uptime on fights without a damage check and still do sub 10k.

[@agsdedluxferre2955]

EW *Waaahhhh it's too easy wahhhh* DT "Ok we somewhat listened to what you wanted" *Wahhhh it's too hard WAHHHHHH*

[@NewWave3313]

Holy hell, I haven’t died more than once in any normal content for years now, I think if people think this game is “too hard” they need to stick to gposing or crafting lmao DT has some of the most fun normal content in a long time, raids, Expert dungeons, etc, it’s been fun.

[@airget]

It is interesting how some people can see it as a gotcha but others can pickup on the gimmick. Like with Black Cat, she starts the fight with hitting the ground with her claws and as it hits, it breaks, so your first objective is to pay attention to the pattern and not get hit by any of them, if you manage that then the second part of the gimmick is null void because you would theoretically be able to see the floor break as it's occuring and at that moment you are taught, the floor will break and it takes 2 hits. Then when it comes to getting punted by her the cues pretty much turns red to say "this is a bad spot to land" so I find it interesting how people aren't perceptive enough to read the cues around them since they make it very clean and cut how it will work, in fact if you have run a lot of dungeons you will be able to pickup on those mechanics easily since they are just layered on top of one another. Honestly when it comes to this tier, it's more about healers having their work cut out for them and honestly that 2nd fight is just nasty I'm looking forward to seeing how much of a potential roadblock is is for Savage raiders lol. Overall though I do find it amusing how people will complain if they can one shot something and it's "too easy" but complain when they have to learn more and die a few times especially in raid tiers, there are just moments when it's bad to get up when you are raised and you could easily fall into a death cycle because this raid tier has a lot of raid-wide AOE dmg that could easily kill someone who isn't topped off or someone who might raise into a bad spot, get knocked back, platform falls, hearts stack to 3 etc etc. It's just easy to snowball into death if you don't time your raise. All these encounters have been fun though it's refreshing to do content with random people, lv 100 final MSQ dungeon, we died on the boss a few times but we pushed through and learned and taught each other which is what ye suppose to do. The game is designed to fail and teach with the ability to pickup right where you left off the only hinderance is time needed to complete the content but that time lost should be time learned learning the mechanics and it just makes it that much more fun when you push through and complete the content after pushing through the defeats and helping others learn the mechanics.

[@TheBorgey]

Me and my friends loved the new raid series and can't want to hit the Savage.

[@probablysarcastic6403]

I've been playing for 10 years. I remember the first time I had to wait for new story was when I got my little baby Midgardsormr. I didn't learn how to play properly until the final tier of OMEGA SAVAGE! Amount of time played does not equate to skill.

[@MiraiKishi]

7:29 So THAT's what that comment said. (The one saying "I don't care about your alleged chronic disorder, age, disease, etc.") I watched Mr.Happy look over this thread on his video and that comment was actually deleted. Seems like they may have thought that the last part was PROBABLY a bit too callous.

[@holowisewolf1688]

I made the post. It was more in reference to how the FFXIV official forums have 217% of the world's anxious ADHD color blind paraplegic octogenarian population, if you assume that most of these people are telling the truth.

[@AaronWOfficial]

snowflake mentality, they don't realise we are big boys and girls and we can handle whatever it says

[@eyelesscrow69]

i liked the comment where they said "I'd like you to accept your place and go back to crafting my week 1 gear"

[@Runeknight101]

Thread looks like it's just full of those who don't like change or are crippled by anxiety like shivering human chihuahuas. Once everyone has done these fights 4-5 times it's no issue because most normal people adapt instead of saying "I've tried nothing and nothing's worked!"

[@shelflord1686]

It's funny how the people who have such bad anxiety around being a burden to others want the entire game changed to suit their needs, completely missing the irony.

[@julianquintana400]

Man he didn't cover what was arguably the most savage comment there. "If it's too hard go back to crafting my week 1 prog gear".

[@-L1K-]

If people are struggling, play with trusts if available and learn the patterns from that. They’re basically training wheels.

[@yasuchika]

I'm glad that the game is making raids a bit harder again, ShB and EW raids made it impossible to die with how easy they were. Too many people play this game as if it's a visual novel with some forced gameplay mechanics.

[@seangrant3617]

There is a guy is my free company who is partially blind, he's noticed things are harder for him this expansion however he's managed to clear all the content and had a good time doing so

[@Navi_xoo]

I have a friend who is blind has no hands or feet and his head is attached to his anus. He 99 parsed the extremes and said that the game is a joke.

[@2killafly]

imo THIS type of player is never going to be happy.... either it will be too difficult or too easy.... these ones will complain about the sky being the color that it is

[@daniel_a.m.]

"we the people" fml... I'm a super casual player, DT is the first time I got into extremes, and wanna try savage, I love the difficulty and more engaging encounters, in a nice group that isnt toxic, I dont mind figuring things out, and wiping a few times :3

[@Jaxz69-uj4if]

This is what happens when the base content of your game has been so braindead you can plow through it sleeping. When even the most basic tutorial level individual performances are not required for anything, they are not expected either.

[@shadow_psych7069]

Xenosys mentor series! Have people who say they're struggling with DT normal content send in videos of them doing a dungeon/trial/raid and give tips and advice on what they're doing wrong. Let's see it bald man!

[@Afrojackfan]

I swear in any content healers are the first to die to a mechanic.

[@runasth]

I've said this on other CC talking about it. This is the result of years and years of the game being too 'stress-free'. Too casual-friendly. Too much lack of risk. Now that the difficulty is starting to rise again, people are pissed because they've grown too accustomed to not having to think, learn, and improve.

[@EclipseKnight15]

I'll never understand this mentality of wanting LATE-game content to be easy. Like bro, you've gone through at least 4 expansions of content with mechanics that's literally recycled for every new expansion. If you want easy baby content, go back to ARR or HW.

[@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7]

That was my first response LOL I love how most casuals who have played for years STILL dont know about the shadow-nerfs on dungeons and trial bosses the dev team does regularly with each expansion. Soon those bosses will lose a mechanic or two naturally in the patch-notes.

[@CombativeMedic]

Back when the Eden raids were new, I had groups that would wipe more than once in normal mode Garuda-Ifrit. There were times I had to defuse frustrations and turn it into encouragement for the groups, but we always got through the fight. People persevering, accepting that it's ok to make mistakes and learn from the experience is the key.

[@KwehShiro]

normal raids are so fun in this expansion.. of course there will be braindead people complaining it's too hard. those people wants to be hand fed victory instead of working for it. if you die 9 times it's not the content that is hard, you jsut need to get gud... and dieing isn't bad, it actually what's make it interesting...

[@aquasblade753]

I never thought it was hard to begin with. different in a way but not too difficult. But that Tim burton dungeon first boss was crazy

[@artemisp2819]

I swear 90% of the people that make these complaints have to be clickers just staring at their bars 95% of the fight and then wonder why they die to a halfroom cleave.

[@gothdad420]

staring at their hotbars the whole time and still playing their class completely wrong lmao

[@BroadBoulders]

I'm the definition of a casual and the "difficulty" increase had made the msq so much more fun. And the first set of raid tiers is nowhere near as hard as these people make it out to be. I play this game for a month every 4-6 months and I leave until new raid/trials come out. And I have never struggled the way these people claim to struggle.

[@hideharu-xiii8852]

I don’t do savages and whatnot, but to the people saying Dawntrail is too hard: If it’s hard, then practice and get better at it. Every long-time player of FFXIV has had to do that. Hell, every long-time player of any game/sport has had to do that. If you mess up, you mess up. The idea that people want to be catered to and have things be made things easy just shows they don’t want to put in effort.

[@SteveSmith-br3vu]

These are the people that healer strike lmao

[@cyborgtemplar1989]

very different people. 1. healer strike individuals wanted something harder that took more healing. xeno's counter argument and the most logical one, was that casuals can't handle that type of damage intake to make the healer kits of value again in more casual content. . . the literal opposite of this 2. healers basically are down to pressing one global for the majority of the fight. and since the difficulty of incoming damage can't really be ramped up reliably in more standard content without making casuals like the OP in this post go insane . . the solution to that is to add a slightly more involved dps rotation for them. Which unfortunately runs into the issue, of healers struggled with stuff like cleric stance in the past when they had a slightly more involved rotation. . . 3. the only healer strike solution is to add an extra 1-2 globals to their rotation. e.g. make their AoE dots stacks with their normal dots. and maybe one other skill on a 15s 2 charge timer or something along those lings. where theirs enough room to manage heals when needed and enough freedom of expression on using them within burst windows alongside ogcd heals if damage intake is high. . . . no . . . these are not the same people. these are the type of people that caused the game to be simplified to the extent that it is now, and ultimately caused scenarios like the healer strike and dislike of present class design being so basic. Their the opposite side of the coin to healer strike, not the same people.

[@SteveSmith-br3vu]

@@cyborgtemplar1989 my meaning what the healer strike people, some at least lived only on casual content. So here's casual content they have to heal now they are upset.

[@cyborgtemplar1989]

@@SteveSmith-br3vu oh ya i watched that interview. some of them were almost entirely casual and didn't do anything harder but wanted healing to be harder. like . . . you have the avenue for it if ya want it. . . they probably just wanted it to be more intricate but didn't want the potential responsibility of doing it wrong or failing at it.

[@MagitekMarko]

These are the same people that don't read their tooltips and hit the boss with Head Graze, Interject, Low Blow, Leg Sweep and so on and wonder why the boss isn't taking more damage after they hit it with their ability.

[@ajtame]

When you are super casual, the game can be pretty hard, my friend spends her time crafting and fixing up their house or doing glams. I don't think we should mock them purely for not being good at the game. 100 Dungeons are definitely harder than 90 ones.

[@meta1ke]

As someone who was casual, it was mostly hard because i didn't take the time to learn core mechanics and to look for telegraphs. Basically I died because I didn't understand how the game works. I don't think they should make the dungeons easier, I think they should just communicate how the game works better to casuals. Especially early in the game around ARR and HW. There's a good chunk of people who join only to play the story, so they end up playing the dungeons once and then leaving until the next patch. With all this said, the only boss that is genuinely harder than most dungeon content is the first boss on the Halloween dungeon. If all bosses in DT were like that, I would understand. But they aren't and the dungeon is optional anyways.

[@rtiq270]

Does she insist the game needs to be changed for her and only her? If not, she's not the one being mocked.

[@ajtame]

@@rtiq270 People are asking the game to be changed to make it harder, when that happens I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some people to be affected by that

[@rtiq270]

@@ajtame MSQ duties aren't that hard, most people are complaining about optional fights like the raids and expert dungeons (also not that hard but YMMV). You've had FIVE expansions to learn and get better. It's no one else's fault but your own if you can't keep up in these duties.

[@ajtame]

@@rtiq270 The point is they are getting harder, so the people that could keep up maybe now cant, the issue is that they made them more difficult as requested by some players.