DAY THREE Ex Girlfriend Cathryn Mellender and Her Mom Dulce Testify! Chandler Halderson Trial

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

00:00:00 Start 00:01:55 Dulce Mellender (Chandler's ex-girlfriend's mom) 01:00:30 Cross-examination Dulce Mellender 01:06:10 Crescent L'Sai (Dulce's fiance) 01:39:50 Chandler's voice note 01:54:20 Cross-examination Cress L'Sai 01:59:10 Detective Brent Baverstock 02:05:50 The property at Cottage Grove (map time) 02:36:05 Detective Sabrina Sims 02:43:00 Dr. Michael Lohmeier (describes Chandler's 'injuries') 03:01:24 Cathryn Mellender (Chandler's ex-girlfriend) 05:32:00 Cross-examination of Cathryn Mellender 05:39:39 Detective Timothy Blanke DAY FOUR HERE: kzbin.info3X5Z_f9B7Ig?feature=share FULL CASE PLAYLIST: kzbin.info/aero/PL0cYrgj38mhqxDRNuChEWgb7b4XNFtjuY

[@lookilou5682]

That poor girl.

[@Angela410R]

Fantastic Trail! Thank you, ~G~

[@Peanut65007]

[@Purplecolors162]

[@Julia-543]

Make sure your day 8 includes Andrew Smith!! I saw you list TrialTV as a source and they didn’t have his testimony included a few months ago, so it ended up as a video. I don’t want you to run into that issue

[@NerdyDogMom1]

He has absolutely no remorse. To make his family go through this trial and to not share where his mother’s remains may be is pure evil.

[@eangelillo]

100% Psychopath. I mean, he dumped his dad’s torso on Cress’s peaceful farm, and tainted their “paradise” forever.

[@phoebeb.332]

And not just his family. The lies got out of control.

[@phoebeb.332]

Imagine knowing you killed your parents and dealing with all those people who cared about you. Ugh. And then the police. And your dorky older brother. Ugh.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

@@phoebeb.332for what 4 years, he peaked in HS with swimming 🏊 😮

[@AmeliaBurchett]

@@phoebeb.332dorky…. Not necessary and untrue. We don’t judge witnesses here.

[@Livewithnoregrets58]

What a great channel! No dramatic over the top commentary.

[@janestrode3299]

Agreed

[@ednacrabapple5392]

Can you imagine setting up your dream property only to have some little punk scatter body parts and murder tools all about.

[@deborahanderson1686]

G, there is a very good reason why you have nearly 400,000 subscribers, and that number will only grow in the next year! You are simply the best true crime host on KZbin. You are thoughtful, thorough, intelligent, and caring. I want to thank you for all your hard work and compassion. They say you can tell when someone loves their job….I sure see that in you. Simply the best!

[@suelutz5364]

So many people affected by one person's actions. Family members, neighbors, coworkers, friends, relatives, and community members. So sad.

[@NerdyDogMom1]

His parents would have been angry but they would have helped him turn his life around if he just told them the truth. So sad the world lost two great people because of this selfish, evil man.

[@donnaflynn230]

They sure would have helped him! Imagine loving and raising a child and then they do this to you!! 😥💔 Rest in peace Krista and Bart. 🙏🏼

[@cheriebrais6913]

I agree with you 💯 on that

[@DonnaLena1]

I’ve never seen a judge be more personable, polite and respectful to the witnesses. We are fortunate indeed when public servants are of such high quality.

[@mrsztodd7954]

I love the way Cress estimated time of year by what fruits had fruited…

[@phoebeb.332]

Yessss I liked that farm couple.

[@LlamaLlamaMamaJamaac]

My great-grandparents moved from Denmark to Wisconsin to farm… that got me in the heart

[@NerdyDogMom1]

I love the Prosecutor going down the list of all the lies Chandler told people of his head injury with the doctor and each “no, ma’am” to everything he didn’t say to him.

[@helene1779]

Thank you, Gisela for all your hard work!🐻💕

[@Char_43]

Imagine, inhaling smoke tainted with bodies having been burned. So sick

[@suzelovestruecrime]

Poor Cathryn. 21 years old, so young! There are so many victim's of this heinous crime, she will be forever affected by this 😢

[@HandbagDiva]

When I was young I dated someone like Chandler. We dated for 6 months until I found out everything I knew about him was a lie. I was in shock, it was like experiencing a death of someone that never existed. Decades later I heard he was still lying and hadn’t changed much, just a pathological liar with a personality disorder.

[@pjjj23]

I can't imagine how a person could trust anyone after this

[@Char_43]

He doesn't have a shred of decency.... refuses to this day to tell where the rest of his mother's remains are....

[@LightChaser2021]

Can't...hes evil, I'd say, with Father God

[@maxcollins4080]

His poor brother, ex and her Mom/ partner and other family members. He's a psychopath with narcissistic personality disorder. Just guessing!

[@jesscoffey6963]

i don't think he can. i think he burned her in the fire

[@DonnaLena1]

I would love to hear his brother’s opinion on this heinous crime. Mitchell probably isn’t as shocked as some people were when Chandler was exposed. He likely has many stories about his creepy brother!

[@dbullard8581]

Thank you Gisela for protecting all those who will forever grieve, and not showing the photos

[@NanaJaneSpeaks]

@GrizleyTrueCrime You made me laugh every time you skipped a break or lunch and asked if we enjoyed it!! 😂

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

Close that lunchbox! 😅🤣

[@NanaJaneSpeaks]

@GrizzlyTrueCrime Literally, "Get your coffee. Just kidding, no time for that!"

[@Char_43]

I feel so sorry for her. I pray she has a strong support system and great therapist.

[@Jpfinn3408]

G …I love the teleport part of the trial. No time wasted 😀

[@SOPHIA-ig1ph]

I feel so bad for Cat. Knowing the trial happened not too long after the murders, makes it even worse. She had so many plans, hopes, and dreams of a beautiful life with Chandler which she’s also mourning. What a betrayal for him to make her an unwitting accomplice to the clean up and then to leave pieces of his parents on her family’s property. It felt like he was possibly trying to implicate her family; especially considering he emphasizes that cat’s family didn’t like his parents during his interrogation.

[@valerieviramonte7887]

So creepy to realize that murderers walk amongst us, you just never know.😱

[@cheriebrais6913]

Yes and we don't know what they look like either

[@kimberlydavis8889]

You bring such dignity to difficult subjects! You’re the best. I’m with you❤❤❤

[@nancyosullivan7625]

You do a terrific job editing so we can watch seamlessly ❤

[@debbieb1320]

Thankful she didn’t find his parents when she went to his house. What would he have done to her?

[@TeaWildflowers]

Thank you G. I am still astounded that this guy, who would’ve needed to get a job eventually anyway, perpetrated these horrific crimes against his parents just to avoid the truth from coming out. I hope that the survivors impacted by this tragedy are on the mend. ❤️

[@eangelillo]

Now Chazzle Dazzle gets what he wants - 3 free meals a day, no chores, no rent, no responsibilities. Unfortunately, he forgot about no internet access, no video gaming, no freedom, no sleeping in. I love this for him!

[@bonniejosavland3227]

@@eangelilloexactly

[@robynpopescu3180]

Gisela, fabulous job as always! Thank you for all your hard work with the edits for us- which I know must take a lot of time. I love your channel ❤

[@SouthernCJB]

Rewatching what I missed when I was working today. Brent Baverstock was such an amazing witness! His skills tracking were amazing! Not sure how much I will be able to join tomorrow husband, kiddos and I will be enjoying the snow and mountains. I’ll definitely be re watching! What an amazing job of covering this case G! ❤️

[@MyHeartsTruth417]

great job! Enjoy spending each day with you sitting on my desk! Love your commentaries, and the huge cup of tea!

[@Jlips-r8q]

Rewatching this day 3 grizzly trial again!

[@sharoncloete4060]

So sad for Cat.

[@theresaredmon6168]

What happened to the cat? 😢

[@bonniejosavland3227]

@@theresaredmon6168that’s the GFs nickname for Cathryn.

[@theresaredmon6168]

Thank you, Bonnie!! lol 😅

[@Royalblue-em7np]

Not sad if you listen to their jail calls…two months prior to trial. I love you’s, I miss you’s, talking about a future with him…. I too was feeling sorry. Not now. Nope!

[@cherylkline1892]

⁠ could GF have been involved?

[@Char_43]

The poor dogs would be stressed out... smelling the blood? This is horrible in every sense of the word.

[@dakinikeene6188]

What a shame... the girlfriend's confidence in herself seems very shaky, but really he was a master liar & manipulater. I really hope she gets therapy to heal.

[@Hootski79]

I hope she focuses on blaming him and doesn’t blame herself.

[@BeABetterPersonToday]

G- can I call you that? 😂 Just wanted to say that I totally appreciate all of the teleporting you did for us. That’s A LOT of work and I/we appreciate it!

[@nancyneal8128]

I feel heartbroken for Cat. She seems so broken. 💔

[@susanallen6287]

I feel so bad for this young lady it going to be so hard for her to trust another relationship 😢you can tell she is a sweetheart

[@gorillaspawn6071]

Thanks, GK! First class in every way. I hope you’re making a bundle for your efforts!

[@Peanut65007]

@Grizzly True Crime Absolutely….a pleasure to watch all three days and looking forward to to four, tomorrow! Awesome work!!

[@blueliz123]

Why would a 23 yr old man be grounded like a child? I wonder if his parents really did that or was that just Chandler lying to his girlfriend?

[@Pickles1955]

@@blueliz123 lying, as per usual

[@sharonhoyt2133]

Lies. He also had other girlfriends.

[@eangelillo]

5:05:05 For anyone wondering about cat’s possibly annoying drawn-out answers, long sighs, exhales, etc. She stated that when she was nervous she would get very nauseous, and was afraid she’d throw up. So she’s trying to control her nauseau.

[@Youtubereplies]

A heinous arrogant, liar who resorted to murdering his parents in attempt to keep his lies alive.

[@kweenz109]

Been watching this all day and even had a half nap during cats testimony so had to go back a bit. This poor woman. The trust issues she must have at this point sheesh. She's always been good even in the interrogation room. He put this girl through hell.

[@phoebeb.332]

Your day sounds heavenly! I had one of those Sunday. I had to work today booooooo. lol.

[@kweenz109]

@@phoebeb.332 it was pretty relaxing! I took the day off. Must have needed it

[@MMAFightMagazine]

​@@phoebeb.332That's deeply insightful. Thank you for sharing. Happy new years everyone. 😊

[@stephenhyder4659]

I saw the complete trial in the KZbin videos. As an attorney, I was very favorably impressed with the trial and quality of the evidence. Thereafter, I utilized the internet to obtain updates on the case. Thank you for this rebroadcast.

[@mmk1111]

Poor Cat was so manipulated. She still talked to him afte he was arrested and they talked about plans on moving to FL like WHAT

[@eangelillo]

As Cat testified, she still believed Chaz. It took a while for her to wrap her head around the idea that the last 3 years of her life with her boyfriend were a complete fabrication. It took a few days of detailed testimony for reality to sink in, that her bf was a murdering psycho.

[@Jpfinn3408]

Not very intuitive to figure things out. The name “ hubby “.kinda sum her up. .. she was so happy to have a bum as a boyfriend .. not working n a leech She wanted to marry this leech n louse

[@Chris-z9e]

You know, Chandler's dad was basically done. He had called the school, and you could hear in his voice, bridled anger, that had been there and building...

[@DonnaLena1]

I suspect that his father had known that Chandler was a bullshitter for a while. He finally had enough…😢

[@maxdurk9611]

Trials like this I find fascinating. There is so much overwhelming evidence and the person still goes to trial. How can a defendant sit through hearing all the evidence of his guilt? Why would he do that? Whats the point of going to trial? Does he actually believe he will be acquitted??

[@Sanvdh]

Same here!! Those questions go through my head every time a very obvious case goes to trial... Maybe they hope for a technical mistake? That there is a chance on a mistrial that is worth sitting it out in court (at least that time they are not in prison)?

[@MMAFightMagazine]

I can't imagine he'd have a higher chance of acquittal by pleading guilty. And if they're offering him a plea deal with nothing better than 50+ years before a shot at parole - why not take a chance when you have nothing to lose, and only upside? I don't imagine people like him are particularly heartbroken to put others through this.

[@reneejohnson4361]

Oh my Goodness, I had a busy day! Just now starting to watch Day 3. I missed watching with you all Mrs. G and Fellow Grizzlies! ❤😏

[@donnarawiri]

This is so easy to watch, thank you Gisela for another excellent coverage....and your facial expressions are hilarious when the Def atty asks silly questions😁😁

[@bctinkerbell93]

I like this idea of watching older trials together. Do you have plans for others yet?

[@GrizzlyTrueCrime]

I'm sure there will be many more we'll watch together. KZbin and true crime news is unpredictable, so I don't plan further than a day or two in advance for most things 😅 But now that we have added past trials to what we do here, we will definitely watch more yes 🤓

[@brendee85]

@@GrizzlyTrueCrime Really enjoy group watching!👍🏻

[@shawnawilliams6536]

​@@GrizzlyTrueCrime since I learned about the Rittenhouse trial I've wanted to go back and watch it. I've tried, but I just can't watch trials without the GOAT Grizzly True Crime defluff and support from my GTC family. Just a little bug in your ear lovey😉 Happy New Year

[@Jc71407]

This is one of the most disturbing crimes. I watched the trial years ago and I’m so glad you’re covering this. Thank you for all your hard work on editing, added clips and commentary!

[@Dawnseeker2000]

The biggest punishment that Chandler receives may very well be the loss of Cathryn.

[@pearlgrimes3923]

Thanks

[@bethbleas8378]

Cat, sweet seeet girl... Not many of us would have seen this situation unfolding. It is sad that your trust was broken by him. Your heart has been trampled...but do not allow him to take away your ability to love in the future. You will know when you are ready.....

[@karolinebudna31]

G, your presence and conscientious presentations are totally professional and insightful. Thank you so much for feeding my brain.

[@Dorrie44]

Judge Highland is such a Gentle soul.

[@dianej4651]

Thanks. This was a great trial. Terrible facts for defense. True facts for the prosecution attorneys

[@Lemomjames]

Just starting replay watch. Thanks for the impeccable work you do!

[@phoebeb.332]

Same! Had to work today - now am settled in and watching the replay. Happy New Year from Maine.

[@IngridDeMelim]

Thanks!

[@Heather-jb8nt]

This is a beautiful girl and i cannot imagine how hard it will be to get over this and trust anyone again. I know shell become stronger more observant..but i pray she keeps her sweetness. She deserves the best of the best.

[@esmegreeff6194]

Watched re-play, omw 👀 he's way beyond creepy, just glad Kat made it out safe and didn't find the secret he was hiding when she went to his parents house 🙏🏼🩷💔 Thank you Gisela for covering this trail, I've watched it before but nothing better to watch it with you and your mods and grizzlies 🇿🇦 proud

[@Char_43]

If that Dr. came into check me, I may have heart trouble 😂

[@Royalblue-em7np]

This made me 😂 lol

[@sharonmartin4036]

My dear Mum would have said Dr. Lomeier is someone she "wouldn't chase off her doorstep"! LOL. He is quite yummy, isn't he?

[@Purplecolors162]

I’m watching it now, and it’s nearly midnight December 30th in AZ! I’m trying to catch up before tomorrow!

[@LightChaser2021]

I wanna pray for Kat, now.... this Judge, has such a calming voice....

[@ginandtonic69]

This judge has same demeanour/vibe as Judge Kraynick IMHO ❤

[@kittymartin2982]

You do a very good job on this!

[@marilynglazier9794]

What's sad is when he was first arrested Cat was still talking to Chandler while in jail and funding his books for Commissary. I am not sure how long they talked prior to the trial but I am sure finding out at the trial that he used her Target bags to dispose of evidence at the farm must have been devastating to her. Hopefully she has been able to emotionally recover and move on with her life.

[@GrammyDawe]

Catching up in my comfy bed. Hope everyone had a good one.

[@gigix2]

Love your glasses G. They look good on you!

[@susannawarner1103]

G- I love this viewing with you! this was an awesome idea!

[@Char_43]

".....he showed me coding he was doing once." She was too naive to understand. 😔

[@12-Poler]

Thank you, G, for the long and very in depth videos!

[@seapup2247]

I believed her too until I saw her interview with police and heard phone calls from prison too.

[@bebe1341]

Please tell more

[@blueliz123]

Cat has beautiful eyes. Poor girl what a terrible experience to go thru and so young. I imagine she has nightmares over this for a long time😢

[@ginandtonic69]

Her shame and sadness was palpable.

[@DonnaLena1]

Cat has self esteem issues, big time. She definitely needs a good therapist before she gets into another relationship.

[@Tassilago]

Looking at this poor girl's eyes broke my heart 🥺. I hope she's doing well today. Thank you, Gisela. I'm 'rewatch crewing' this New Year's Eve, followed by today's live. The best way to spend this night! Have a great 2025 - you, Mr Grizzly, the mods and all the grizzlies 🎆🎉🥳✨❤️

[@TCInsomniac]

Hey G can you please cover the Murdaugh case next ?

[@sharonhoyt2133]

I really appreciate the de-fluff

[@jillianclaire0316]

I love that you’re showing this trial! I’ve heard of this case but haven’t seen it.

[@marjoriemorse9229]

That poor young woman. Having to relive all of this horror and then being up in the stand and crying while wearing a mask. That is rough. I know from personal experience having attended a funeral during the pandemic: you feel as if you’re going to drown.

[@Royalblue-em7np]

Two months prior to trial, she and this monster were loving it up on jail calls. I couldn’t believe it. She’s also a manipulator. I too fell for it till I heard the calls tonight.

[@Char_43]

This prosecutor is superb, his questioning of her is very kind and caring.

[@JerseyJo1954]

Have been watching replay. Hard to believe something like this could happen. So tragic for so many. Thanks G for bringing this to us ! You are beyond the best!!!!

[@Polyp1-3]

Thank you G loving this coverage. Rewatch for me and I am so shocked by this case…. My heart breaks for all impacted by this tragedy 💔😢

[@SW-wo9pc]

I love spending time with you! 💌

[@goldielion-s7f]

Thank you, Gisela. Happy New Year!!

[@ravenrozeb3790]

Ok, I am going to say it. Kat's mom is being very cautious about her answers and I believe "feigning" her struggle with English and understanding what is said to her. She knew more than what she stated but of course she was not on trial....

[@mmk1111]

Can you elaborate? What do you mean she knew more? I'm genuinely curious

[@cherylkline1892]

Agree….. Cat is being very cautious as well….. is there more to this story?

[@mmk1111]

​@@cherylkline1892she was waaayy more talkative during her interrogation. It's almost like she was coached before the trial and she had to think 5 times before answering

[@GrammyDawe]

Anybody who testifies against him is probably scared to death of him, he’s a monster. Also, they could be embarrassed that they were fooled by him.

[@eangelillo]

@@cherylkline18925:27:28 Cat states that she starts vomiting when she’s emotional or anxious. She’s trying to slow her breathing and not puke on the stand.

[@JenniferBass-gg4tx]

He never disclosed where his mother's remains were! His brother and the family must still be unsettled by this 😢

[@JamiBond009]

Thanks so much for presenting this trial. I enjoy all of your extras, eg, map time, backstory, snark, etc. Wondering if you will be presenting Cathryn's police interviews. I think Chandler and her were at station at same time so would be interesting to compare their stories:)

[@bonniejosavland3227]

If it’s apart of the trial She will, but this just the trial.

[@Doris-i3o]

I have a real problem lately with how the term 'hearsay' has been butchered from its original meaning decades ago to whatever it is now. Hearsay, from what I recall, was any statement a person didn't hear firsthand, that was passed to them by a third party. If someone spoke directly to you, it was NOT considered hearsay. Also, if a witness recounted 'verbatim' statements that someone said to them it was okay as long as it was accurate, usually with shorter statements like 'OH NO' or something that would be easily recalled. Otherwise, I thought it was fine for witnesses to give 'descriptive' statements, ie. the 'gist' of a conversation, to avoid hearsay issues. Nowadays, even one-to-one conversations with witnesses from memory appear to be cut off by lawyers. It really annoys me.

[@esindirik4447]

I've never seen any of these lawyers using the hearsay objection in inappropriate times. I don't know what the "original" meaning is in everyday language, but in law, hearsay applies to every statement from the witness where they are conveying what someone else said, BUT there are exceptions. For instance, Chandler's statements are an exception to the hearsay rule because they're the statements of the party opponent (i.e., accused by the state). I think the shorter statements you're talking about are examples of another hearsay exception, statements made by another person conveyed by the witness to show the effect that they had on the witness, not for the truth of the matter; that is, to explain and give context to what the witness did or did not do next. There're lots of other exception to hearsay, but none that was objected here were exception cases. Of course none of the witnesses should be able to talk about what other people said unless it applies to the exception cases, otherwise that would be a mess simply because it is not cross-examinable, so it's not fair. It's not appropriate for a court. Both the defense and the state have subpoena powers, they can absolutely bring whoever they want to bring for them to talk about whatever they said; there is absolutely no point in letting a person testify to someone else's statements.

[@LlamaLlamaMamaJamaac]

I watch some of those family court Zoom hearings with commentary channels, and I’ve seen parents’ lawyers object for hearsay when a CPS investigator mention the parent’s LAB RESULTS. Like “Mom’s UA was positive for ‘math’ and ‘Mary Jane’.” “Objection, heresay”

[@anitagendler3812]

Hello G! Catching up on today’s live stream! Thank you again for bringing us this riveting Trial! You’re amazing! ❤❤

[@RunetteHamilton]

Lol me screaming from bathroom when your said Kate on the stand next.... Wait for me Im coming!!! 🤣

[@kimmwatkins9581]

My Sister and I are watching with you all Happy Nee Year Every One❤

[@sharonhoyt2133]

Dulce said herself that her relationship with Cres ended because of this event. I think Cat continued support of Chandler and Dulce's supporting Cat during that time probably was a huge part of the problem

[@DonnaLena1]

I would have a hard time with the ridiculous amount of tolerance that Cat and her mother extended to the monster, Chandler myself!

[@hjong8830]

He probably fell on purpose to have another excuse for not getting the job. I feel so bad for everyone involved in his life. Curious if anyone suspected he was even capable of such a heinous crime years prior to what he did.

[@phoebeb.332]

If he fell at all.

[@LlamaLlamaMamaJamaac]

The thought of this boy-mom wanting to do a girls’ weekend at Disney with her then-future-daughters-in-law is so so heartbreaking

[@laurierogers2279]

Does anyone know what happened to the dogs? Did someone take them I hope?

[@bunny7072]

Thanks for covering this

[@Royalblue-em7np]

You all need to lessen to the jail calls between Cat and this Monster, two months before the trial. I have NO sympathy for her. She still supports him. Baby talk and I love you’s and their plans for when he gets out. She’s also sending him her $$. Just appalling.

[@eangelillo]

Chazzle Dazzle was a massive lying manipulator. Without the benefit of the concise opening statement by the prosecution, outlining all his lies, she still believed Chaz was innocent. She couldn’t wrap her head around the fact that the last 3 years of her life with him were a complete fabrication, and that she almost married a murderous psychopath.

[@Royalblue-em7np]

*listen

[@Jpfinn3408]

Oh no. She not just naive then but also silly or too desperate to have a boyfriend Ie “ hubby”🤮even if it was this lousy evil bum

[@lb8781]

Somewhat like daughter like mother. Naive, slightly dim and gullible.

[@lisagrande9266]

Where to listen please?!

[@patfisher-s1v]

Great viewing so far

[@MMAFightMagazine]

Cathryn and her mother have an absolute heart of gold. It sickens me to hear the way he spoke and treated her, long before all this came about. A large percentage of the population are simply rotten from the start. And while they probably don’t realize the damage they're doing, those who do realize will certainly never care enough to weed themselves out, or simply seek help. I know there aren't many 'Chandlers' out there, but few people could ever recover from a relationship filled with lies or cheating etc. I pray that she's able to trust again.

[@JemicoTX]

3:40:11 - breaking through all of the shock and horror, I was able to chuckle at the SIZE OF YOUR COFFEE MUG! lmao. That mug nearly eclipses your head.

[@Coffeeme19]

Does Cat not believe that he’s guilty during this testimony? She has such a flat slow affect.

[@Royalblue-em7np]

Good observation. She does not…two months ahead of trial, the jail calls were all “I love you’s” and “I miss you’s”. Just awful. Listen to their jail calls.

[@Coffeeme19]

@@Royalblue-em7np there is probably a very unhealthy trauma bond between them. She really needs some psychiatric help.

[@kateelisabeth4140]

From what I understand, during the jail calls (nauseating) she believes he is innocent, she and her mother. She is still in his web of manipulation and lies. The DA only shares the ALL evidence with her the week before she takes the stand. Her world has blown up right before we see her here.

[@ginandtonic69]

@@kateelisabeth4140 I have been pretty amazed at some people suggesting this young woman was complicit with the actual murders. It’s sad. She was in love with him and clearly was blinded by that and defended him til the trial. And then during trial all the evidence is presented and she finally had to face the truth. She’ll probably be in therapy for years and all her future relationships will be blighted by this. Empathy and compassion are very important for anyone who is interested in true crime. To understand that the victims are not just the poor souls murdered.

[@DannielleWinchester]

I'm not sure if I missed it being stated, but how many people are on this jury? It's my 1st time seeing this case. I wish we could bing watch all the days right now. 😆

[@donnamiller4630]

Thank you for answering the question about masks 😊

[@Royalblue-em7np]

Rottweiler Investigations. Jail calls between Cat and the monster. @ 24:55 talking about fixing her hair for trail, he talks about it being live-streamed, and she agrees about wearing a mask “hell ya” I’m gonna wear a mask. Maybe buy a wig so nobody recognizes me” …she wears his sweater every night. Monster: No don’t wish Mitch a happy thanksgiving for me because Mitch “is all for putting me away”

[@mmk1111]

She's not as innocent as people want her to be. Yes, she was young and naive but come on. He fed her all these lies this whole time and she never questioned anything?

[@Royalblue-em7np]

@@mmk1111 I agree. She had me fooled watching the last few days, until someone mentioned these calls and I listened. I feel bad for her poor mom unless she’s a fan as well.

[@mmk1111]

​@@Royalblue-em7npI remember watching this trial for the first time and I felt so bad for her. But then I found the interrogation videos and then I listened to the phone calls and WOW

[@meirles]

Was trial the first time she was privy to all of the evidence? Would the detectives have disclosed all the facts about how many lies he had told before trial to her? I need to go back and watch her police interviews. Such a disconnect between the jail phone calls and her demeanor on the stand here.

[@mmk1111]

@@meirles they found his dad's torso on the farm, anyone with two brain cells would put two and two together. I've always given her the benefit of the doubt but come on