DBD's FAILED eSports Scene

[@Ardetha]

I mentioned how some of the *unofficial* tournaments go really well; which ongoing, unofficial tournaments are you guys' favourite? Now would be a good time to show some love to those who are doing it well!

[@TheFrog.underyourbed]

No replies, lemme change that lad

[@bedlesscircle1128]

dbdleague

[@SAVAGENEDVED]

DBD League has some great tournaments. They also have implemented an inhouse ladder for 1v1s which is very cool!

[@Meklein]

DBDLeague gotta be the best in the business tbh

[@ELRo0]

It’s not ongoing but I fucking loved the tournament hexy hosted

[@SLZABBJNGO]

After watching nothing but Nurses, the Trapper probably would've seemed to be the fastest thing alive

[@lothara.schmal5092]

Aye, I'll drink to that (I'm an alcoholic childbeater)

[@Lokuik]

@@lothara.schmal5092bro what?? 💀💀

[@lmSheep]

@@lothara.schmal5092 LMFAO

[@riotguards]

@@Lokuik He said he's a hilly Billy main

[@forge321jtm7]

​@@riotguardsChecks out

[@Kro-RissaVirus]

There will never be a more iconic DBD moment that perfectly sums up the “pro scene” of this game more then the commentary announcer of the tournament being utterly baffled and shocked by the idea of someone using HillBilly’s chainsaw for map traversal.

[@__-tp4tm]

Meanwhile the typical Hillbilly I play against is the child of both a redneck and Nascar.

[@alex360c]

💀💀

[@emilianorios4761]

based pfp

[@HoxMouse]

It gives the same feeling of like, a Street Fighter commentator being shocked that Ryu's throwing fireballs, like bro have you watched this game before lmao

[@shadowconquer-yv5yd]

@@HoxMouse I have no words for that. I may not even watch or really acquainted with SF and I know that.

[@thiagots85]

Space E-sports was... sent to Valhalla

[@lazernor]

Nah, their ass went to Helhiem.

[@-_deploy_-]

Lmaoooo

[@bluebloo9955]

@@lazernorMidwich cause they need the knowledge on how to do tournaments

[@srg_aliens]

@@lazernor nice lol

[@JustNarge]

@@lazernor Nah they were sent to niflheim

[@jamestatsumi7095]

They could have asked pretty much any ordinary player to be caster and they would have done a better job.

[@NerfDaPig]

Shit I would have been a better caster than that guy

[@Mildriot]

That sounds fun to watch, some random Silver killer main and survivor main casting.

[@ramendude4062]

Idk about better, but I could atleast do this quality, even if I don't have the so called "professionalism" that casters should have.

[@cutechip7098]

DEadass....ilove dbd, but i hate the devs. They're idiots

[@himdone4195]

Had to click on your profile picture to see if it was actually scarlet Johansen with a black wizard beard. Bad vision lol

[@NexurentMusic]

I think it was both BHVR and Space's faults. I mean, BHVR didn't properly look into Space and Space did so many more mistakes.

[@blufu8727]

Yeah and still BHVR is crowned for the faults. They completely underestimated things as usual. Space was completely unqualified and it's BHVR that hired them in the first place.

[@chillwave8809]

I agree with you, I just think that BHVR and space shared the blame and mistakes equally.

[@dtaPacman]

If you hire a doctor who isn't a doctor, and doesn't provide any form of falsified evidence to state they are, then you're more to blame than the fraudster.

[@BinkleCoolGuy]

​@dtaPacman these guys were casters, they were just really bad at it. Behavior shouldn't have hired them but they were unprofessional the entire time, at the very least Behavior acted somewhat professional

[@blufu8727]

@@chillwave8809 Exactly. It's a shared fault. Space just contributed as is like assorted toppings. Or the whipped cream on a pie and that pie was thrown at us by BHVR to the face. And them being a small organization, it led to a detrimental end for their careers and business. And that really shows how horrible the end for them too.

[@Katie-vf5fg]

lol I was one of the people robbed of a spot in the tourney. we saw it as a blessing in disguise while we were watching it live.

[@Veekron]

You dodged the bullet there, friend

[@komlat253]

Lol😂 lucky u got skipped

[@MrAjking808]

Right lol

[@thecash5837]

sureeee katie

[@draco9291]

@@thecash5837fr she out here capping lmao

[@sabre3001]

Funny enough, my team was part of the second tournaments Space held (Xbox). My team was 4-0, but our opponent lag switched us in our fifth match (that we were winning). We ended up still winning, but we complained about it to Space - who promptly kicked us from the tournament for "making a scene".

[@Darkest_Gray]

WTF. I’m a so sorry that happened to your team. That is absolute BULLS##T.

[@MrAjking808]

@@Darkest_Graydon’t even know if he’s telling the truth lol .. yall believe anything someone says

[@Darkest_Gray]

@@MrAjking808 you don’t have to be rude about it y’know?

[@Quintapion]

It’s true, I was the controller.

[@sabre3001]

@MrAjking808 I mean, it is 100% true. The VODs likely exist out there somewhere. Wouldn't know where to begin looking and don't really care, it's been years. Just saw this video and wanted to share my experience. No reason to lie.

[@BrianRocksNow]

I'm not 100% convinced BHVR *knew* the matches would be all Nurse and all Claudette players. Up until the last year or two, the devs left most of us with the impression that they never played their own game in favor of excel spreadsheets of raw numbers. I'd put money on BHVR just flatout having no clue the killer with the lowest kill rate by numbers would be the only one chosen.

[@idonthaveaname7769]

They still don't play game and only look at statistics

[@NinjapowerMS]

Yep they don't. It's only until recently that they got their heads out of their arses. IMO the game actually had a decent structure now. I took a break from DBD for almost two years and came back I was surprised that the survivor team can get pressured now.

[@라마현명한]

This is the problem with many games tho, most devs don't play their own game and if they do, usually they are either not good, not willing to learn it properly or do not have the time to do so, which is why balancing usually is done with a mix of a team aswell as an outside influence, often players at the top of the ranks (but overall on every rank) that make suggestions based on the current situations. Sadly, BHVR seems to do none of that as time has shown time and time again. Not saying it's easy to balance an A-symetrical game with 2 gamemodes essentially (SwF and SoloQ) and neither will it ever be well balance for both sides but I'd generally argue DBD is one of the most poorly balanced games out there.

[@NinjapowerMS]

@@라마현명한 Used to beta test and get paid for it. Majority of the people that is testing the game don't know what the hell they're doing either in actuality. So the developers are getting awful takes from a bunch of clueless people. Heck the participants are also blatantly lying about their needed requirements just to join the tests and get a quick buck then spout out bs if they're ask what their thoughts are afterwards. Not sure how other developers do it but the balancing test for what I did was horribly supervised you might as well just read the forums lmao

[@roborex6]

⁠​⁠@@NinjapowerMS Interesting, I remember quitting playing the game for a similar reason, could you give me some cases / examples? I’m intrigued to see how they improved.

[@coldseraphim]

This moment of dbd history never fails to me into a constant state of laughter because of how disastrous it was

[@ultimatedespair2368]

BHVR is a really good company for watching so match funny disasters

[@thee8904]

Yeah right im sure you’re in stitches over this

[@nandanthony]

​@@thee8904☝️🤓 😂😂😂 🫵🤓

[@desouu]

@@thee8904yes

[@lorgaraurelian6676]

It was hilarious. Also I really like your profile pic.

[@Blake_Stone]

Did BHVR literally confuse Space Esports with SpaceStation Esports? That would be hilarious.

[@Darsquarius]

No they didn't what are you talking about

[@pkernoob786]

​@@DarsquariusHe's talking about BHVR literally confusing Space Esports with Spacestation Esports. That would be hilarious.

[@Darsquarius]

@@pkernoob786 I know what he's talking about but they obviously didn't do that

[@thelastpayphone8463]

​@@Darsquarius Obviously? You sure? On God? We talking about the same Behavior?

[@Darsquarius]

@@thelastpayphone8463 yes

[@DuskTheViking]

I remember this tournament. The highlight for me, was the caster not knowing what the hillbillys chainsaw was for lol. He was like "OMG he is using the chainsaw attack as a mobility tool to get around the map, what a genius play!" or something to that effect. OH shit you covered it in the video nice LOL

[@Justmonika6969]

The first game I played Hillbilly I used my chainsaw to get around the map for mobility, proving that these casters hadn't even researched or played the game at all.

[@Crcustrip2]

Even the hillbilly trailer shows him using the chainsaw around the map for traversal LOL

[@jamesgiles4517]

You NEED to cover DBDs $350,000 AT&T tournament It's hilarious for all the wrong reasons 😂😂😂

[@davidbirding420]

Is that the one we're all the streamers never played dbd before besides like 1 dude?

[@SkelXton]

@@davidbirding420 everyone except one team, which was the only team that actually practiced the game. None of the other streamers bothered to play it before hand which is partially on them, however the rule set for that tournament were also terrible lol

[@jamesgiles4517]

@davidbirding420 yes And the rules were convoluted. For someone who's played dbd and knows the meta, it's fairly simple to understand but for streamers who NEVER EVEN TOUCHED THE GAME it was a nightmare

[@NinjapowerMS]

Oh man the streamers tears there was too funny.

[@Sirrizz]

it wasn't a DBD tournament though it was a multi game tourney so not every team will practice every game but rather stick to the games they are strongest at. People keep referring to this as a DBD thing because nearly everyone in the tourney didn't care enough to practice it.

[@faffywhosmilesatdeath5953]

Fun fact: playing the full 12 hour stream for any person will have you taken to the international court to be tried for war crimes as it is a needlessly cruel act of torture.

[@alastor8091]

Only if you lose.

[@koboldparty4708]

@@alastor8091 *taps head* I can't commit warcrimes, because I'm not part of the military.

[@bugsjam]

its really hard to make this game genuinely competitively viable

[@FrenziedmerchantisaHomo]

Couldn't say it better myself 💯% agree

[@floofzykitty5072]

No map seeding, unfair/broken add-ons for both survivor and killer, huge variance between map balance and huge difference between killer strengths.

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Yeah too many variables that you cant keep consistent and that is even besides the fact an asymmetrical game can never truly be balanced

[@epickpotato25]

dbd is in a weird state betwen casual and competitive.

[@roy7o9]

That’s probably a good thing, not every game needs to be “competitive”, games can just be broken and fun, and by sterilizing them to be competitive it can take a lot of the fun out

[@bhopstraining]

I think the main problem with the hatch situation is the rule itself. It's stated that whoever "finds" the hatch first gets the point. However, its impossible to tell from the view we had whether the survivor was waiting behind the rock for the hatch to open, while also trying to hide from the nurse, or if they arrived seconds after the nurse and had "found" it second.

[@shiffpup2529]

Have I already heard this story before? Yes. Will I watch yet ANOTHER KZbin video on it? Absolutely!

[@TkPav]

14:02 he dropped this fire transition and thought we wouldnt notice

[@jaredmiddleton7667]

lol

[@nanaten3]

Claudette regained her humans rights out of nowhere

[@jessejames7702]

The transition at 14:04 was honestly so good

[@HePutsOnAIR]

Made me do a double take. Lol

[@jack0f4lltrades28]

I entered and won a DbD tournament way back, it was when the Pig was the newest killer and it was an Xbox exclusive tournament held by fans. No grand prizes, just having competitive fun and giving fans a fun show. Let me see if I remember what the rules were 🤔 - Only items found in-game via chests were allowed. - Perks cannot be repeated, so only one decisive strike for example. - Different characters, Claudette was the Meta for hiding in the shadows due to darker lighting plus her dark clothes and complexion. - And for some reason, no licensed Killers. This one was puzzling, maybe to prevent Pig players from camping at reverse bear trap boxes? I was a Freddy Main at that time so this rule hurt, decided to pick the Doctor for the tournament due to similar playstyles/strategies. - Oh and no Iridescent add-ons for Killers. Which I'm convinced was specifically to prevent instant down Huntress games. Not a perfect set of rules, but everything else was fair game. Only had one game where 3 Survivors escaped and that was on the swamp map with the boat, it was the largest map at the time with tall grass to hide in. - Oh I forgot, maps were random but repeated for each team for a full round. Meaning one round, all teams would play Coal Tower. Next round would be in Haddonfield, that kind of stuff. It was fun, I played as the Killer for my team and we actually won first place. It felt great because (this was before cross play was added) for a few months I would get messages from other players after matches who recognized me from the tournament. Messages like "Hey, you're the Doctor main dude!" 🤣 I felt like a mini celebrity haha, only problem was I would explain often that I'm a Freddy main but the tourney wouldn't let me play as him so I picked the Doc instead haha! Tourneys can and should be fun, it's a damn shame hearing what happened here.

[@Darkest_Gray]

I’m glad you had a good time😊

[@gigagaming960]

Ik this is 7 months late but the licensed killers thing was probably either due to worries over copyright or to help free 2 play players who wouldnt be able to play those killers

[@RedemptionDenied]

The esports compony shut down never to be seen again. You could say, they went to Valhalla!

[@marcoluciani4790]

BHVR fucked up by letting Space handle everything besides the basic ruleset and expecting a massive game like DbD to not have a fuckton of entries based on the fact that they only expected less than 20 teams to join in a no-minimum skill tournament registration. Space fucked up by taking on a job that they knew they couldn't possibly pull off and giving the shittiest most thrown-together approach possible to everything. They had TIME. They also probably had monetary support from BHVR as well. Yet they had to steal the one piece of artwork they used and couldn't even call for a graphic designer to handle the team cards. 12 hours of this. What a joke.

[@coolspider295]

Space were scam artists. You can't blame them for anything because they always intended to scam BHVR. It is BHVR's fault for falling for an obvious scam.

[@murtlegd]

LMAOOO "Facecamping is a viable strategy" proceeds to effectively ban facecamping

[@stadiumarcadium2351]

Behaviour dont play or care about dbd they used the money to grow where they have 600 people working on making ports for others thanks for buying fengs outfits.

[@superdazed]

In contrast, the recent Community Cups series was very well run (a few minor snafus) and were very approachable for new teams to try their hand at a competitive version of DbD. The prizes weren't great, but you don't play comp for prizes. Hopefully they make a return!

[@Zwork101]

I played with a team in a couple of these, it was a lot of fun! And I think they have the best rule set.

[@hypoacro3846]

As someone with autism who has trouble with auditory processing, I really appreciate the effort of adding subtitles to all your videos! It's something that I haven't seen ANY other creator do, despite many having ten times your subscriber count, and it's very helpful for me and I'm sure countless others. I appreciate you

[@violetk2020]

As someone with autism who has trouble with auditory processing but is also very susceptible to second-hand embarrassment, I was very conflicted with being given the ability to understand \j

[@Shoegaze-]

How tf do you function? That’s almost equivalent to being deaf if it’s so bad you need subtitles.

[@hypoacro3846]

@@Shoegaze- Hm? It doesn't mean I don't understand what he says. Subtitles just makes it easier and quicker because I can process information faster through reading than through listening verbally.

[@hypoacro3846]

@@violetk2020 What do you mean? If I were a small KZbinr I would like to be told that such a small option that takes probably a lot of extra time and effort to do, that it is paying off and is helpful.

[@violetk2020]

@@hypoacro3846 the \j at the end of my comment indicates that my comment is meant as a joke.

[@EmilicoYamigos]

Pretending this game to be competitive was its first serious mistake.

[@NotMariTDS]

Actually no, cuz dbd rip off somehow Works in his competitive scene, (identity v) The problem was that the torney was just bad in all terms, they removed Lot of The Variety and made The gameplay just seems boring for The viewers, also The rules sucks, so If It was done better prob dbd could have a good competitive scene

[@0Ce0UIoPC]

17:20 this is such a sadly common view among terminally online individuals. No introspection, only seething hatred and the only way to cope is to repeat "muh analytics"

[@Kaito-1412.]

Over in the identity v community, we figured out tournaments years ago and haven’t had any issue like this, this is nutty

[@cypher_doggy8507]

Now that is what you call a dumpster fire of a Esports tournament.

[@mrblue232]

When I clicked on the video (I've been playing for years but never even heard of this), I was not expecting something as abominable as this.

[@ninjasonic2270]

Kind of insanely funny Dbd just can’t get a pro scene going AND THEN IDENTITY V STRAIGHT UP HAS TOURNAMENTS EVERY YEAR AND A HUGE PRO SCENE…and it’s mainly a mobile game lmao. I love both these games but I like the idea of playing IDV competitively more than dbd ever

[@sentientsardine9729]

Weirdly enough because perks/abilities are restricted to characters rather than being mix-and-matchable; I think that lends itself better to this kind of thing? You don't need to make arbitrary rules about which perks are or aren't okay because there aren't inconceivable combinations of perks to worry about. Like genuinely think that character-specific abilities and no add-ons make for an easier to manage competitive scene.

[@elgordobondiola]

Also, face camping is like the legit best strategy in that game but it's alright because there are savior roles that survivors can take up in order to save their teammates from a camping killer. Because it's restricted to certain survivors not everyone can use these so you can't have 4 team saviors. Also, perks like borrowed timed, sprintburst and the like are limited to 2 different ones per person even though they are universal. You can have 4 stack Ds unbreakable but you can't also have borrowed time and dead hard. The fact that it's a mobile game developed by a Chinese company with gacha and chibi-esque artstyle makes it all the better.

[@GuyN0ir]

@@sentientsardine9729 100% makes the game so much easier to balance. I wish DBD would create a ranked mode like IDV has, and restrict it in a similar way. Like no perks or addons, and instead have talent trees and roles similar to the 2v8 mode.

[@GuyN0ir]

@@elgordobondiola That Chinese company is a real and experienced dev team though. BHVR weren't when they made DBD, hence the spaghetti code that causes the weirdest bugs every update. They'd need to completely remake the game from the ground up, and they'd rather just keep bringing in the cash through updates and bandaids instead.

[@BlurbFish]

In order to have a pro scene you need clear-cut rules that at the end of a tournament allow you to point to one team or player and say "this is the winner!". In LoL the game itself says "you win/lose", but who wins when a round of DBD ends? Is it the killer who sacrificed two survivors, or is it the two survivors that escaped? Should players sign up as teams (as in the tournament in the video), or as individuals? Since the game itself doesn't declare winners or losers, then a point scoring system becomes necessary, and organizers need to make this scoring system themselves. In other words, you'll need to make a number of serious fundamental decisions regarding the structure of any tournament, and that's before you even get into discussing gameplay rules like items, addons, perks and facecamping. Again compare this to LoL, where a tournament organizer just needs to pick a tournament format (double elimination, round robin, etc.)...

[@Jorge_6345]

For what’s said at the beggining of the video, I genuinely think that that is the least of our problems regarding comp scene. Even though the game is asymmetrical, a tournament entails that both sides will play both survivor and killer EQUALLY, which means that even though survivors may win every match or killers may win every match, it would still be a symmetrical match since the other team will have the same opportunity to play the other side as well. I feel like we should ask the questions of whether people will actually be interested in a DBD official comp scene and is it going to be profitable at all.

[@jayyh_01]

your last statement was gunna be something i comment on. dbd in itself isnt actually a big enough game to fully warrant a proper pro scene or tournament play

[@videogamefreak2001]

@@jayyh_01 That’s not a very good take. Game has complexity, that’s not the problem.

[@canelkoc8726]

eSports in general isn't profitable. Even in established teams they are bleeding money. Just look at the state of FaZe. DbD will never have a big comp scene but I still think what we currently have with DbD League, Outrun the Fog and other smaller tournaments is actually a great example that it can work, even if it's a niche scene. If BHVR were ever to make another eSports tournament they should definitely taking advice from those orgs rather than some random bs org that makes the worst decisions.

[@bakad5458]

In Identity V each team has their hunter play vs the survivors. So team 1 Hunter will play against team 2 survs, and then team 2 hunter will play against team 1 survs

[@blueyandicy]

​@@bakad5458they did that i think

[@CreamFraiche]

Did you think nobody would notice that clean walking around killer shack transition?

[@b1g_b4d_j0hn6]

Tbh, I don't think this game would survive in the e-sports scene, even today. A lot of DbD players can't accept when they've lost. I think legit fights would break out. 😂

[@CipherBay]

"NO FAIR YOU TUNNELED ME THE WHOLE GAME AND ONLY WON BECAUSE NOED YOU SHIT TRASH KILLER, REF! DISQUALIFY THEM NOW!"

[@ericgrimes341]

Thats how you know it would be PERFECT for esports 😆

[@Bub8les]

1:58 That Wesker was going ham

[@bakad5458]

Funny how the mobile game Identity V has had a wayyy more successful esports scene than DBD.

[@stanloonaur69]

i have to laugh

[@DasFood]

This tournament was the Fyre Festival of DBD. It was so deeply flawed at every level that I just can't look away. Great recap here 😄

[@mrmedic7799]

The Fact someone played Myers in the tournament makes me happy ngl

[@kernan3348]

People put A LOT of hard work and dedication into making their unofficial DBD tournaments, and those are great to watch. For example, I'd love for the DBDLeague broadcast be an official BHVR affiliated tournament. They are by far the closest thing to a real esports scene you could want for this game. Instead of doing the player cups (that they just cancelled) they could have DBDL backed and support their own league/tournaments. They'd be very hands-off, low investment, and already have structure in place.

[@chuckp342]

I've been following DBDL for a couple of years now and it has vastly improved since Dir3 took over. The volunteers are amazing and the comp community is helpful. I'm fairly confident that DBDL is more capable/ competent than BHVR could ever be hosting tourney's.

[@tomotomi2182]

The lagswitching part had me dead 💀

[@burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761]

Dbd could be an esports game, but the devs dont really know what theyre doing; a game like overwatch or fortnite has restrictions for esports- if BHVR cared, they could do an esport tourneu

[@piemanpeek2357]

Absolutely

[@makashika]

I mean people host tournaments every month in dbd and balance around the game's failure at balance fairly well. BHVR is just bad at doing it themselves. The ruleset of the official DbDCCs compared to that of DBD League is a fucking joke.

[@GilCAnjos]

22:01 Their last tournament being for Evolve of all games is such a fitting joke to end the video

[@CHIPSISBACK]

14:04 smooth transition

[@davidv3612]

daaaaang, i just saw that!

[@totallynottino4099]

fr

[@techdeckdudes_]

We can always count on BHVR to provide an overwhelming display of their own incompetence. By far the most entertaining thing about having followed DbD for all these years

[@mrkampfcookie2118]

Ikr! It's not even funny anymore how you can be so incompetent at so many levels. xd

[@Mister_Pigeon]

Crazy how the other similar game to dbd, Identity V, has official tournaments every year and online events from time to time unlike behavior. Netease works with behavior on the mobile port of dbd too. Even if they are different games, they are both similar in core gameplay. Could be how the games rules are set and how dbd Is so inflated in different items and rng things unlike idv where maps are set and only the persona charts can differ but they make it interesting with limiting character selection, map rotation and multiple hosts. Unofficial dbd tournaments have these rules too and keep a stable viewing experience. So 4v1 games can have successful esport tournaments but the execution has to work. Love both games but man the ways these two companies treat their game is crazy

[@Moitie-Bae]

It’s funny that you bring up IDV because it was made to be a clone. I love both games too, but how is the pro-scene of a clone doing significantly better than the game they took inspiration from in the first place?

[@awkawkawkx]

I honestly enjoy most fanmade small tournaments. Recently there was "St Fidget's dbd streamerbowl" charity tournament and it was soooo fun to watch, teams were chill and cared about having fan too, rules were amazing and goofy at the same time. It was a pleasure to watch live, and with so many well known streamers and great host

[@SayfuHQ]

never thought I'd see an off brand Tony Stark make a dbd esports tournament look clapped lmao

[@gantref9202]

Gotta give these guys credit though for their undue confidence. I've played DBD for over 2000 hours and I'd feel vastly unqualified to cast it. Gotta respect someone knowing nothing and thinking they got it.

[@canelkoc8726]

There are some great casters in niche but established DBD eSports tourneys that do a fantastic job at casting. If BHVR would ever make a tourney again they should consider collabing with DbDLeague the most established DBD eSports org. They know what they are doing and their ruleset is the golden standard in DBD comp

[@salicyl3350]

Peak Dunning-Kruger confidence lol

[@kernan3348]

@@canelkoc8726 I just posted a similar comment about this. 100% agree with this sentiment. They already have the structure, just back them and it'll grow

[@alixdoyle6129]

"Hey Otz (or other fog whisperer) will you..?" "yeah" problem solved. I genuinely cannot imagine a way one could make a worse tournament on PURPOSE.

[@Mistarpotato]

BHVR doesn't care about their fog whisperers and has a long running history of ignoring anything from them

[@InternetOpinion]

​@@Mistarpotatonah OTZ is an exception.

[@SonOfHubris]

otz is overrated@@InternetOpinion

[@さよナランチャ-h6v]

@@InternetOpinionafaik Otz has had the same complaints, don’t see how or why he’d be an exception

[@JozieXP]

Just started the video but I wanted to point out Competitive CoD and Fortnite ABSOLUTELY change loot pools and items. So many things you can’t use during comp matches

[@CaptainHalodude]

Valve should have been a better example to be honest. Peak TI had competitors winning millions of dollars by comparison

[@GoldenKirby]

Imagine getting the Kamehameha in a tournament setting

[@weskintime4177]

@@GoldenKirbyremember the guy who soloed the battle bus before anyone got out?

[@raizadjam8713]

​@@CaptainHalodude5😊 em0

[@GoldenKirby]

@@weskintime4177 oh yeah, I dunno if that was staged but it was hilarious nonetheless

[@SouSporting]

Ardetha your voice is perfect for this type of content. And your script was really well produced aswell. Legit no joke this is the first piece of DbD content i've watched since 2021. After starting the game in 2018 and leaving it all behind in late 2020 i haven't really had the desire or curiosity to watch any content regarding it but you've made a very good video.

[@OhLatte]

Same I’m too scared to touch it again lol

[@ABSEUDUS]

As someone who joined DbD only 2y ago, I heard of that tournament, but only heard about small pieces here and there. Seeing that whole show going down the drain like this, one incident after another... ...that hurts in so many ways, especially considering what it could have been instead... Thanks for summarizing this whole event like this - and I'm pretty sure there was more minor stuff you didn't mention...

[@fionna_cool_girl]

Feels weird that there were only 2 placed prize winners. Seriously? Just 1st and 2nd? At the very least they could've given the 3rd place winner some blood points or a free cosmetic of their choosing. Something small, not cash or official merch just to keep it different from the other 2 prizes.

[@gwell66v2AnimeReviews]

Thats what a company who gives a shit would do, put even the smallest amount of thought into it

[@sneakythenewguy]

i remember participating in a tournament from the dead by daylight discord either before it became the official discord server for the game or after it. but it was a tournament of the discord mods vs the players. i was lucky enough to actually participate in it. my team was paired to survive against Daisy who i think is still a mod in the server. it’s been so long that i don’t remember the year it took place maybe 2017 2018? i remember Marth88 guest appearing at the end of the tournament or i might be thinking of something else.

[@goroakechireal]

IDV, which is the same base game as DBD, has a really active pro and e-sports scene, especially in china. there are tournaments all year long for like 6 different regions

[@VroomBee]

*Looks at Identity V COA* Idk if any Tournament has done this for dbd yet so sorry if I’m repeating anything So what if for the dbd tournament which ever survivor you pick has to use those 3 perks that survivor comes with. No duplicates, this would go the same way with killers. Killers can bring up to yellow add ons And survivors can bring up to yellow items with yellow add ons (survivors can’t bring the same items) Something that IDV does for their game tournaments (and rank) is that the killer can ban two survivors and the survivors can ban one hunter So to keep it interesting maybe have that rule (Also for anyone wondering Idv is China dbd, dbd is ban in China so Idv exists with the permission of dbd, survivors all have unique ability’s and so do hunters but camping is one of the mechanics in game but can be counter with other mechanics (the game literally says how good that hunter is with camping lmao) Idv is big in China so it’s had 5 tournaments and it’s called, Call of the abyss so COA for short)

[@ethancarter5717]

Caster really had his feelings hurt that shit is so funny

[@tylersimonton4791]

Man, I have to admit I tuned what he said out for a second. Just watching loop that wesker distracted me. So good

[@billywayne1007]

Who knew a game about running in circles would have a bad esports scene

[@Janatis]

Great video! I remember this tournament from back in the day. One thing I can mention here which some people might not know is that there was clear favoritsm when it came to the tournament. Me and other people I know was simply banned from entering the tournament even if we did it before it was "filled". I know for me it was probably due to my harsh criticism of Behaviour in the past and for me trolling developers by using broken mechanics to force them to fix their game. However they had no problem with hackers entering the tournament. While the tournament was happening there was a active thread on one of the bigger game hack forums where some of the tournament participants were active. Including the group that made it to the finals who was completely open with them using lagswitching to get an unfair advantage. At one point people were pointing this out to Behaviour and tried to get their attention on the steam forum but the mods would just close the threads when someone pointed this out. One person even leaked the killers IP adress during the tournament asking people to DDOS him/her to give them an advantage. Don't know if someone actually went through with it though. Dead by Daylight will never be a competitive E-SPORT game and that is fine. The developers should just accept it and not aim to balance it around E-SPORT.

[@Vampshroom420]

Man i really kept thinking to myself "this cant get any worse" and it of course did *over and over* The fact that there last tourney was for Evolve is somewhat beautiful

[@goldxn23]

i am new to dbd, and never heard of this tournament. i figured it was "bad" because it just didnt get a lot of recognition but this is actually crazy, and its an official tournament! i hope they try again with a better esports team hosting/ casting tho

[@bonweech3346]

I will watch every video you put out Ardetha, keep these comin!

[@Ardetha]

Thank you so much for the dedication!

[@Infernal_Sniper]

Im surprised you didnt mention deathgarden, the game they made to try to make become an esport since dbd failed.....of course, behavior prefers to pretend that they never made deathgarden so you can guess how that went.

[@RakdosMC]

Was genuinely sad about that game, i liked it.

[@Gogemare]

13:22. 12 hours of pain and suffering? Pinhead whould love this tournament😂😂😂

[@mooningmanz]

from the clip you showed it looked like the survivor clearly saw it first

[@talord_]

not every game needs to be an esport bro

[@Megatraum504]

seriously this type of shit is hilarious to anyone in a real esport scene. anyone who thinks dbd can be an esport has never played a comp game in their life with any success.

[@AndyNocturne]

I wouldn't know where to begin if I tried to unpack this. What a joke, from both BHVR and Space gaming.

[@benjaminfenn3700]

"Let's get this volume cranked up, so you guys can hear the Nurse, screechin' through the woods right now!" Is truly incredible

[@TickleMyResearch]

The current DBD league is pretty sick honestly, volunteer run and pretty competitive

[@McLovin-zf7wq]

I remember when this happened. It’s a constant reminder to me that the only reason why DBD still exists is pure luck that no competition arose to kill it. BHVR constantly and very consistently made the most terrible decisions that would’ve killed any other game but since the players had no alternative to go to they just sucked it up. I’m still baffled that this dumpster fire of an event even happened, it makes me laugh to this day 😂

[@TrueLawbringer]

I maintain that if Evolve had dropped anytime after DBD did, that it would have killed the game and been hailed as the successful non symmetrical PvP game.

[@jeredgibb5064]

All I got from this is BHVR knows what makes the game boring and decided not to do anything about it for years.

[@lightdbd]

Great video overall, wish you could've mentioned the community cups behavior sponsored that were actually quite a succes

[@themeadowsgroupchat9454]

BRO YOUR MUSIC SELECTION IS PURE FIRE I JUST WATCHED YOUR LAST FEW VID THE RIDGE RACER 4 IS PURE FIRE! I HAVE NOT HEARD NAKED GLOW SINCE I WAS 10! GREAT CHANNEL GREAT RESEARCH GREAT VOICE WORK!

[@Aquilenne]

16:00 In the caster's defense. With every game being Nurse vs Claudette, default speed /is/ fast compared to what the viewers would be conditioned to.

[@et6914]

19:47, you can see the survivor already there, so your point is worth nothing

[@CakefoxDots]

BHVR would really benefit from taking a few pages from Identity V’s tournaments… IDV is a mobile, chinese version of DBD (BHVR helped develop it) and they have a tournament where they a $500,000 prize! It’s big. They have good banning rules to avoid repetitive games. They have well-known players as casters. They DON’T host the tournament on the caster’s PCs. Only mobile players can compete for fairness sake. They have an event where teams will compete on a leaderboard and then those teams will be invited to qualifiers, then that’s narrowed down to 15 or so teams. Also, all the players are shipped to one location to internet/ddossing is not a problem. Obviously DBD has a smaller budget, but if they actually put in a bit of effort and budget, they could really make this work.

[@themonsterunderyourbed.7620]

I'm starting to realize that BHVR is cursed to be unable to make a reasonable decision as a company.

[@kurgo_]

"and the third place would get..." *me thinking*: a copy of dbd to gift to a friend? "...and I quote: nothing" oh well, that's better.

[@Wyrmixx]

"Stark's younger cognitively challenged brother" lmao

[@EmpressKyuuna]

Oh lord i remember that tournament, my friends and I were laughing so hard at how shitty it was. A good time only if you like things going absolutely mind-numbingly bad.

[@eefernal]

everything is fine but the survivor clearly found hatch first and was waiting at it so idk what the last part was about

[@J4ckFr0st]

at 14:04 there's a crazy transition from tournament footage to gameplay don't know if I'm the only one who noticed it but it was clean af

[@kazeindelsawakno520]

I remember this tournament. Everyone was so pissed that Marth got cheated.

[@TheRoboKitty]

"Shows that the game is not ready for a pro seen if the base game is so unfair it needs outside rules added into it" Every Smash game: "I'm gunna pretend I didn't see that"

[@bronstrr]

The fkn filters on the clips are WILD, is this who I’m playing against …

[@loona9021]

that was probably evolves final stream too

[@blueyandicy]

LOL

[@marche434]

1:52 bro giving ardetha the backshots

[@weirdkid5]

Eyy I'm glad you finally brought up this tournament. I'm good friends with the members of the Depip Squad and was a part of the OG Killer Alliance. I remember how absolutely livid those guys were when they "lost" that tournament. Most of the quit after that. I can't blame them.

[@ariariari7138]

it was fucked up that I couldn't participate in the tournament from North Korea, totally ruined my experience

[@RostTV]

DBD was never meant or made to be an eSports game, and tbh it's one of the most boring things to watch if you have to chose something (My personal opinion)

[@howlpendragon9728]

DBD is much like the Pokemon competitive scene: There are tiers of killers, perks, addons, items, playstyles, etc. that are just far too powerful, and they need to be divided into different tiers similarly to how Pokemon competitive play does it. (AG, Ubers, OU, etc.)

[@aliencreative9360]

1:11 nurse hit was so bs

[@Randomest3]

Fr

[@iiBR4V0]

Someone in the chat "said Stark's younger cognitively challenged brother" 💀💀💀💀

[@alexmaganda5827]

i have not played dbd in months im also not interested in the game anymore but this video was really well done and interesting good job

[@casedistorted]

Ohhh.. man I was heavy into DBD at this time. I remember all of this. This was extremely embarrassing for BHVR and just showed they had no earthly idea what they were doing. And didn’t want to listen to anyone who might.

[@TuberoseKisser]

This is gonna be a spicy take to the DBD circlejerk but if DBD wanted to do sports then they should have just asked NetEase for help, DBD devs helped with Identity V and IDV is literally way more popular than DBD and has way more successful tournaments. Yes IDV tournaments has it's problems but at least they're a thing.

[@ColemakDH]

Respectfully how did Marth find hatch first? we can clearly see the survivor right next to it when marth blinks to it? What do you mean we CLEARLY see marth finds the hatch first?

[@swaygle]

It's stuff like this that reinforces the fact that BHVR is the most incompetent game studio on the planet

[@DJ-7-2-2-0]

Blizzard holds that title

[@katnumb1692]

​@@DJ-7-2-2-0 Blizzard have Overwatch, Diablo, WoW, Hearthstone and many other games that have a massive playerbase, BHVR only have Dead By Daylight and they still fail to make the game fair for both Survivor and Killer, it's honestly embarrassing.

[@tvojsynn]

Like... My audacity to declare that I can organise a tournament, my audacity to take cash for it, my audacity to mock the community, BUT it's 100% BHVRs fault for the lack of background check ... 🤷

[@Kaen1001]

It was BHVRs fault. I mean after they saw the tournament rules they should have know that is suppost to happen