De Buyer Shootout... Which Pans to Buy? | Mineral B | Mineral B Pro | La Lyonnaise

[@Zippish]

Stumbled across this video in my carbon steel research and it really was the deciding factor in me choosing the mineral B pro. Thank you so much for the thorough review, really looking forward to start cooking with this pan! :)

[@NadiaandRob]

Amazing! It’s a heavy pan, but we wanted to be able to place it in oven for certain types of cooking. Enjoy your pan 😁

[@rrrashen]

I have the Mineral B Pro 11" and the Mineral B 9.5" Omelette (non-pro) pans. Besides the different handles, the Pro pan is definitely thicker, 3+mm according to my calipers while the regular is less than 3mm (2.7 or so). I have an electric stove with glass surface, the pro stays put whatever its temperature, the regular one can spin when heated. Not a huge problem, but worth keeping in mind.

[@desertrose2085]

I’m deciding between Mineral B or Min B Pro for an omelette pan myself. Min B comes in 8 inch, but Pro only has 9.5 inch. Would you recommend I get the Pro?

[@rrrashen]

@@desertrose2085 To me 9.5" seems to be a good size for an omelette pan, so if I had that choice I'd get the Pro. It also can be used in the oven which is a bonus. HTH.

[@sixpooltube]

@@rrrashen Do you prefer the regular shape or the omelette shape?

[@rrrashen]

@@sixpooltube Everything else being equal (i.e. same size, both B Pro), I think I'd go with the omelette shape, because it is easier to slide an omelette or something similar off the pan onto the plate.

[@rrrashen]

@kikilaker6698 FWIW, the flat bottom part's diameter of my 11" pan is about 8", the 9.5" is about 6".

[@seanwoodburn2616]

I probably have over 50 carbon steel pans. Some are nearly 50 years old now. The blue steel pans, (Lyonnaise), are extremely useful when you need fast temperature control. If your technique is really developed, you can produce an omelet very quickly. I am very happy to see the "Pro" option as we often finish in ovens or under very hot infrared broilers. Great content! Cheers! Edit: Spot on about seasoning the lighter pan in the oven. Many of my ancient BIA Cordon Bleu pans. ,(Very similar to Lyonnaise), were sacrificed early on before we learned our lesson. More Cheers!

[@NadiaandRob]

Thank you! Good to hear from a carbon steel aficionado!

[@Visitkarte]

On German Amazon, La Lyonnaise is declared with 2 mm. thickness and the 30 cm model (12”) is 4 pounds of weight. The 2 mm are correct - I already got my beautiful blue crepes pan and it works like a charm, the thickness is 2 mm.

[@El-Bautista]

Great video thanks for that. In Europe there is also the "Carbone Plus" collection, as far as I know, this is intended for the Gastro trade and is identical in construction to the Mineral B, but without the beeswax coating and without the embossing stamp in the middle of the frying surface. I think the conclusion about the beeswax is that these models sell faster and are therefore less prone to rust and costs only half as much as a Mineral B.. Greetings Roger

[@rdaphoto]

Thatb sounds about right. We don't see the Carbone Plus line here. Maybe in the future. Thanks Roger

[@NadiaandRob]

We are part of the De Buyer Affiliate program. We've been able to obtain both an affiliate link to the US site as well as provide folks with a 10% discount when applying the code NADIAROB10 upon checkout. We live in Canada and we initially had difficulty finding a site to view pricing of these pans and ultimately found a kitchen supply store in Toronto that carried the pans. Now with the US De Buyer site you can see the full offering of goods by De Buyer and actual pricing (in US dollars). Note: They Do Not ship outside of US currently, but you can still check pricing and decide accordingly. Our Affiliate Link: debuyer-usa.com?sca_ref=2541299.3T8Buv2UOi

[@mattydsmith]

Regardless of the subject matter, this is one of the clearest and most thorough reviews on KZbin. Just ordered myself an omelette pan and will probably get a Mineral B Pro, as often use them in the oven. Thanks you!

[@NadiaandRob]

Wow, thanks for the encouragement Matty! Enjoy your new pans.

[@ronjenkins4257]

I've got a de Buyer 12.5" Mineral B, the same as yours (love it); a few cast iron skillets (Wagners, a 100 year old McClary's (a treasure, and perfect for cornbread), a Lodge, and a big Taiwanese one); and a super cheap 11" carbon steel pan (by "super cheap" I mean $15 CDN). The cheap carbon steel even flexes, being 1mm thick. But it's great for roasting things in the oven, where thickness doesn't matter and light weight helps. My next pan is a toss up between a good stainless steel pan (for acidic foods) or a smaller de Buyer or similar (for single meals).

[@LunedisTerz]

In my case i think the element b pro stainless steel grip cools very very slowly fresh out of the oven.. But nothing to cry.. Its neeever happened that i touch a bit a hot metal grip😅.. Never👀

[@dbkfrogkaty1]

Good to hear from you Rob! It's been awhile since your last carbon steel review. That was one of the reviews I saw that kept my interest in carbon steel pans going! There are some new players in game these days. Darto (Argentina) and Cast-A-Way (South Carolina) offer one piece pans. No rivets or welds needed. I picked up the 10" from Cast-A-Way. I think carbon steel pans are gaining in popularity over non-stick here in America, and that's a good thing! So keep the videos coming, you're one of the reasons why!

[@NadiaandRob]

Wow. Thank you from both of us! Thanks for the heads up on new brands. I’ll check them out. It’s great to see more people using carbon steel (lifetime) over non stick (disposable). We’ll definitely keep the videos coming. Thanks for the encouragement

[@dbkfrogkaty1]

@@NadiaandRob You're welcome.Pleased to be able to pass on a little information.

[@NicoleLevit_]

I had these three exact models open in my browser and I had no idea which one to choose. This video was so helpful. Thank you!!

[@NadiaandRob]

Glad that helped! What did you decide?

[@artemismourgos6197]

Halo, i have the mineral b pan and In order to be able to use it in the oven I removed the coating from the handle and everything is fine.

[@kimberlycoleman8361]

Great video. Very informative and enjoyed the pace and relaxing nature versus sales tactic. Helps determine what is best in terms of cooking appliances and usages. Thank you

[@NadiaandRob]

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed.

[@user9b2]

Is that what mineral B stands for !🙄🤦‍♂️ LOL

[@NadiaandRob]

yes! in fact when the pans arrive they have a little rubber bee in the handle.... but we always pull them out, since we put our pans under the broiler.

[@JFW5358]

I love my Mineral B Pro 28cm pan. That's about 11 ins.

[@joeyboikly]

Awww man, I’ve been roasting chickens in my carbon steel de buyer at 500 Fahrenheit for over a decade now, I hope I’m ok.

[@NadiaandRob]

You just keep on roasing….. you’ll be fine!

[@joeyboikly]

@@NadiaandRob why is my pan not rated above 400? Is the handle going to fall off? I didn’t know, but so far so good.

[@NadiaandRob]

@@joeyboikly It has to do with the (silly) epoxy coating they put on the handle, which can soften at high temps (according to DeBuyer). We've never experienced any problems, and aparently neither have you... so keep on cooking!

[@curtismatsune3147]

I like the way they do things, not babying the cookware. I don't get the obsession with getting and keeping cast iron and carbon steel pure shiny black. My pans are there to serve me, not the other way around.

[@NadiaandRob]

We totally agree!

[@HS-wp5vb]

The Mineral B is slightly thicker than the Lyoannaise. That means the Lyoannaise wil heat up quicker and will respond to heat changes better, but will not retain heat quite as well. Whilst cooking properties are fairly similar, the Lyonnaise is priced below the Mineral B. The handle of the Mineral B has an *epoxy* (not enamel) coating wheras the handle of the Lyonnaise is uncoated and thus fully oven safe.

[@NadiaandRob]

Thanks for the additional info. Unfortunately, the La Lyonnaise handles are coated the same as the Mineral B, so are limited to brief times in the oven (or you can ignore that if you wish).

[@HS-wp5vb]

@@NadiaandRobInteresting. I guess I have an older model then. Mine is over 5 years old and I am very happy with it. What I can say from using the La Lyonnaise is that it is absolutely fine and anyone shopping on a budget can happily get a La Lyonnaise without any worries. And for anything that goes in the oven, there still is the good old reliable Lodge cast iron skillet. Which I equally love!

[@NadiaandRob]

@@HS-wp5vb We were quite surprised by the performance of the La Lyonnaise pan, defenitely a great option for a budget purchase or to see if you like carbon steel cooking. Thanks

[@tatache5971]

I love the Lyonnaise pans. You should not use them on very high heat, but they perform extremely well and can be used with anything. They are the closest today to the old pans widely used in France back in the days.

[@NadiaandRob]

Agreed. We were very impressed with the Lyonnaise pans. Excellent value and lighter to handle

[@michaell5806]

Well done video! I would just like to add something in relation to the handle/ergonomics. I have both the Mineral B pro 9" and Mineral B Pro 9" Omelette. Even though the pan is shallower on the Omelette, the handle is at a different angel and overall, is over 1" taller than on the regular fry pan. I love them both, just an observation.

[@NadiaandRob]

Thanks! Good observation about the handles. It's good that the Mineral B Pro handles are lower, since they can handle high heat, they can also be closer to a broiler. I guess that's what makes them "Pro".

[@sixpooltube]

@michaell5806 Is there a noticeable difference in thickness between the omelette and non-omelette pan? Is the cooking surface of the non-omelette much smaller? Which shape do you prefer? Thanks!

[@thenestpodcast]

@@sixpooltube Wondering the same...

[@davidmatke248]

Thanks for the comparison! I was going to say that it looks like the Mineral B is the winner, but the lower angled handle on the Mineral B Pro does seem slightly more appealing.

[@NadiaandRob]

Nadia really appreciates the lower handle, and I love the beauty of the design. We love the prop pan!

[@Visitkarte]

@@NadiaandRobhow big is Nadia? I have big problems with the 11“ pro. Very unbalanced for me, handle is very slippery and thin. (I am 5‘ short, normal weight).

[@NadiaandRob]

@Visitkarte it’s Nadia :). I’m about 5’ 3”. The 11” pan can be a bit heavy for me, but I use a cloth and both hands to lift the pan when I’m done cooking. Without the cloth I find it’s a bit trickier for me to manage it (cloth enables me to have a better grip). Hope that helps.

[@Visitkarte]

@@NadiaandRob thanks, it does. I figured out that using both hands works for me, too. I will try to find a longer snuggly silicone sleeve instead of a cloth.

[@aalvarez9809]

@@Visitkarteany luck with finding a silicone sleeve that fits the handle well?

[@Lauriah7]

The La Lyonnaise one sounds good since i have zero ADHD patience 😅

[@gsmyrna7469]

I have an induction stove so I purchased the pro b for myself. The reason is the center metal pans can warp easily on an induction stove. And also the other reason I bought the bee is because you can put it in the oven to season. I it's easier to season in the oven than it is on the stove top. I have a hard time clean the pro-B pans to get the initial wax out. I've yet to get the wax out of the pans completely. Wish you do a video on how you get the wax out, I've used the salt method of use the potatoes and salt. I've used soap and hot water. Have boiled water in it and scrubbed it with soap and scrub brushes and act sink. Cannot get the wax out. I could use some hints on how to get the wax out of them. Thanks!

[@NadiaandRob]

Hi @gsmyrna, you really don’t have to worry about getting all the wax off. The reason they use beeswax is because it is fine if some is left on the pans, in fact it will help with the initial seasoning. Just give the pan a wash in hot water, then coat with oil and season in the oven, as per the instructions. Any wax left on the pan will melt and add to the seasoning.

[@nertsch77]

Debuyer does explicitely state on their (german) Website, that the Lyonnaise is NOT recommend for glass-ceramic cooktops. I can confirm this, since i tried it out: Unlike the Mineral-B, the Lyonnaise has a complete flat bottom, which will warp towards outside (even at moderate heat levels) and cause the pan to "spin". For glass ceramic cooktops, the Mineral-B/Carbone Plus is perfect. On the one hand it has thick walls and bottom which will never warp and on the other hand it has a slightly convex bottom, that will guide the minimal inevitable expansion of the metal at higher heat levels in the right direction, so that the pan will never "spin".

[@NadiaandRob]

Thanks for the info. The US website doesn't provide that detailed info.

[@14ericksona]

Although I don’t see this pan discussed much, I LOVE the De Buyer “Access” pans. Specifically, the 12.5”. They’re a little on the thinner side (2mm), but they’re heavier gauge than the lyonnaise. I love the maneuverability afforded by the lighter weight, but I find the lyonnaise to be a little too thin (hard for me to control the temperature). The “bluing” process makes them more durable and tolerant to higher temps. I find it to be the perfect “happy medium” for carbon steel pans, especially for those who find the Mineral B to be a little cumbersome.

[@NadiaandRob]

I don’t think they are available in North America

[@daviddelamater9116]

An update here: I think De Buyer is currently in the process of overhauling their N.A. offerings. My previous comment above noted that they changed the name of the Lyonnaise model, but since then the pan has been totally removed from their US website and now the Access model is on the website. I confirmed with customer service that they did indeed discontinue the Lyonnaise 1mm model and they pointed me towards the Access 2mm model.

[@NadiaandRob]

Thanks for that update! Good to know.

[@ilseweber9545]

Bitte auf Deutsch

[@tormodi5925]

I cook a lot but I've not used such carbon steel pans before.. I just orderd my self a La Lyonaise and found your review very useful. Thanks

[@NadiaandRob]

Good to hear, thank you!. Enjoy your new pan.

[@allisonqualls]

Looking to get my first carbon steel pan and thoroughly enjoyed learning more about these pans in this video. Absolutely love your video style!

[@NadiaandRob]

Thank you. We really appreciate the encouragement from our viewers. Enjoy your new pan, and let us know how you like it.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

The Pro model is the BEST pan.

[@Studentofgosset]

One of the problems with thin pans that heat up quickly such as the Lyonnaise is that if you are cooking on a flat top like an element then any deformations of the bottom can lead to hot and cold spots on the pans. This is made more likely when the bottom is so thin that it can deform more easily than a thicker pan, which sometimes happens if you put cold liquid in a very hot pan.

[@autofinanziamento]

Actually, de Buyer produces also the "CARBONE PLUS" line. 😉

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes, we've heard about that line, but they're not available in North America, so we didn't include them.

[@Lagok]

Would you use the Lyonnaise on an open fire? Considering it for my camping kitchen.

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes, absolutely! Nicely light weight, but will handle open flame/campfire no problem.

[@greggramig910]

400, well that stopped the show. I routinely run my oven at 550 for a variety of cooking. Don’t like temp limits on my pans. Oh well Mineral B. Like the Matfer, heavy but the mass plays into its superb performance.

[@NadiaandRob]

We agree that the oven limit seems silly... and we place the pans under a gas broiler very often, with no noticible effect. We also really love the Mineral B Pro pans... the stainless handles are great, and they also allow you to get the pan closer to the broiler.

[@greggramig910]

@@NadiaandRob Agreed, didn’t really think 400 would damage them. I have been using fantastic stainless try-ply set under broiler and oven routinely at 550-575 over 30 years with absolutely no ill effect. Key seems to be that cookware is 100% metal, no glass or painted parts at high temps! Keep up the great vids, Ciao

[@christopherlaborde1670]

Hi Guys, Years ago I bought a carbon pan to escape Teflon, but now there’s a lot of press about leaching iron into food with cast iron and how bad that can be for you. Do you all know of good sources of information on carbon steel / iron leaching, and if we are leeching iron with a good seasoning coat in place? (Cast supposedly can leach up to 6-grams a meal which requires mid-evil blood letting to sort out) Chris

[@NadiaandRob]

Hi Chris, We haven't seen anything from a reliable, well documented source about this. Given that people have been cooking in carbon steel and cast iron since the first mining of iron, I think they can be considered safe. We do know that the chemical coatings of non-stick pans definitely scratch off, so our choice would be to go with the basic and well tested steel.

[@christopherlaborde1670]

What seems to be coming out is that man, since the beginning of time, has had occasions to bleed; but in the modern day world we don’t seem to lose as much blood (the details aren’t that savory but they often have to do with “wee beesties”). As a result, the iron stays in our systems and an excess of iron is as bad as a lack of iron. In particular, an excess of iron seems to accelerate aging and various cancers, not too unlike Teflon and other forever chemicals. If you do happen to stumble across any good information comparing cast iron to carbon steel, please do share it. Thank you

[@carstenandersen887]

Thanks. Very helpful video when considering a carbon steel pan😊

[@NadiaandRob]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@jonathannbullitt]

Good video. Two questions: 1. What if I don't care about enamel paint on the handle. 2. How to get rid of the old seasoning and start again?

[@NadiaandRob]

We also don’t care about the enamel, so we use them in the oven and under the broiler… no worries. We’ve never tried to strip the seasoning but perhaps boiling some vinegar would do the trick

[@Giorgio_Toso]

Hello from France. I am 71 years old and for 6 months I have rediscovered cooking with carbon steel pans like my mother did. I had given up this way of cooking for a few years. Perhaps for convenience or because we have been victims of publicity. I cook on induction and I chose the Mineral B Pro model. One in 20 cm for fried eggs and one in 28 cm for the rest. I also have a 26 cm Mineral B Standard for French pancakes. I am 100% satisfied. Thanks for your video which confirms my choice. I think these will be the most gifts I will bequeath to my children for the rest of their lives 😂 Have a nice day, bonne journée

[@NadiaandRob]

So glad to hear you're back to traditional pans. Glad you enjoyed the video. Bon Appetite!

[@xeffisov2318]

I seasoned debuyer pan with enameled handles many times in the oven, at a higher temperature than the one mentioned in the video. Still nothing is happening to her. However, before I did this, I saw reviews warning against this.

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes, we’ve heard this from a few followers…. It may be DeBuyer being overly cautious.

[@deputy3690]

Excellent informative video!

[@NadiaandRob]

Thank you!

[@desmo340]

hello. What is the maximum temperature before they started to deform?

[@NadiaandRob]

We haven't found that temperature yet

[@Asaeax]

Its *shoutout... 🤭

[@Roberto-oi7lm]

The biggest difference between the high-end pan with the stainless steel handle and the identical pan with the carbon steel handle is the thermal conductivity. The steel handle conducts heat more than three times better than stainless; i.e. a K value of 50 vs 15. That means that the stainless steel handle will stay cool to the touch for longer. In addition, the larger thermal mass of the stainless handle (it's thicker) also helps reduce heat transfer into the handle. As a bonus, it looks much nicer and feels nicer in the hand.

[@nicolasloiseau8971]

Thanks for sharing

[@KlienpennyRentals]

Even though De Buyer says the mineral B pan can not be in the oven for longer than 10 minutes I seasoned my pan for an hour in the oven at 500º and let it cool in the oven for 2 hours. I did this 3 times and my pan was a beautiful black and very smooth and the handle was not damaged at all. I have seen videos where other people have said the same thing. Just saying. I own Matfer , De Buyer and Volrath carbon steel and I like them all but Be Buyer is my favorite. Matfer is very close.

[@NadiaandRob]

We've heard the same thing from others. It really feels like DeBuyer is being overly cautious.

[@Diogenes0X]

So, you can’t season a Mineral B in the oven because the handle has a polymer coating and will melt off. But so what? What’s the advantage of the coating on the handle? If it’s seasoned in the oven and the coating’s lost, you’ll have to season the handle going forward, but again, so what. The reason I ask is because of other articles that I’ve read saying to season in the oven as high as it will go as that opens the metal’s pores even more/maximizes the polymerization of the oil to the pan. Also, I’ve read that flaxseed oil is best for seasoning, but I forget why.

[@NadiaandRob]

Well we’ve had many people write that they season Mineral B in the oven with no problem. We also use them in the oven and under the broiler. We’re just passing on the information that DeBuyer has on their website but you can feel free to ignore it. We don’t understand why they do this either. In terms of oil any high smoke point oil is fine. We use grapeseed since we have it around and it’s relatively cheap

[@vautierchristophe]

There's another carbon steel line here in France it's called CARBON PLUS. Is it sold in the US. It's the line the French restaurant use to coock. Have you tested it ? I have a crêpe pan in carbon steel (carbon plus line) it's absolutely fabulous as all carbon steel items.

[@NadiaandRob]

We haven't come across the Carbon Plus line. The US website just announced a Blue Carbon Steel line, and I wonder if that's the same as Carbon Plus. Haven't had a chance to test that one yet.

[@arthursimsa9005]

@@NadiaandRob wonder if it’s the same too. Here in France the « Carbone plus »model is twice less expensive than Mineral B pro (70€). It comes without the beeswax treatment.

[@Senorbarnez]

Carbone plus is different to the Blue line. Blue is thinner guage and comes pre-seasoned. The old carbone were better than the mineral b as the handles could handle higher oven temps. Plus the crepe pan handles are welded not riveted, the welded handles are better for crepe as the rivets can get in the way of running spatula round the side of the pan. The new pans seem to have stainless handles so the difference is less between the ranges. But don't get ducked into the beeswax hyoe it's a waste of time, literally - as takes a while to remove it!

[@vautierchristophe]

@@Senorbarnez To remove some stocky was on the beehive frames I wanted to renew I use a heat gum at around 50 °C to remove most of it. When the wax is hot it becomes liquid. But I don't know if it's possible with carbon steel to use this method.

[@vautierchristophe]

@@Senorbarnez Mineral B is only a marketing creation.Of course the old carbon steel was better. The main difference between carbon plus and the blue steel line is it's possible to use carbon plus on an induction cooktop but the blue steel line can't be used on an induction cooktop. On the carbon plus line there's an oval pan especially create to fry fish. But this model is only on the carbon plus line. There's more sizes on the blue steel line and Carbon plus line than in the Bee wax line. On the size range of the carbon plus and the blue line I have seen some frypan models of 50 centimeters it's an half of a meter. It's absolutely huge.

[@pchow1970]

Love my Mineral B Pro, I have the 8, 10 and 12". They are my go to pans and will outlast me easily. Totally non stick if you know how to use them properly. I season it with the same method as my carbon steel wok in high heat.

[@TaintedPath]

You left out the Carbone range. For example they have a De Buyer 5130.28 Carbone Plus Round Frying Pan with Stainless Steel Cold Handle, 28 cm Diameter which looks identical to the De Buyer Mineral B Pro 28 cm except doesn't come shipped with bees wax? Are there any other differences?

[@NadiaandRob]

Unfortunately we can't get the Carbone range in North America. I gather from other comments that it is the same as the Pro , but no wax. Haven't tried them myself.

[@DJaquithFL]

First off for pans .. carbon steel is simply approximately 1% carbon with the remainder iron; whereas cast iron is 2% to 3% carbon iron plus

[@DJaquithFL]

.. My 20-year-old plus iron pans all look like they're brand new. I guess my OCD won't allow them to look all scuffed up in like something I got out of a garage sale. I maintain everything I have and keep everything looking as good as new. It's all about maintenance.

[@NadiaandRob]

Thanks for sharing your experiences. Part of what we love about carbon steel is there really is no maintenance for them aside from cooking with them. Just do that and they’ll be around for you, your children and their children.

[@marcfournier823]

You've sold me on the Mineral B Pro. I wonder if you have pointers for a carbon steel wok. I'm also interested in an episode on your stove.

[@NadiaandRob]

We have two carbon steel woks, and two steel Karai's (a heavier grade indian style wok). Basically, I like a wok that's thick enough that it doesn't flex too much, but is light enough to flip food and toss. I like a wooden handle as well.

[@NadiaandRob]

As you'll soon see, we're in the process of moving, and we have a Wolf stove in the new place. We'll see how we like it, and maybe do a comparison review.

[@marcfournier823]

@@NadiaandRob I'll keep an eye out for the video. Presently subscribed.

[@praetorxyn]

I have the 11" and 9.5" Mineral B Pros and they're great pans. I would never buy a pan I couldn't put in the oven as long as I wanted, so the Mineral B is a non-starter. I will say they're damn heavy though, I don't know if it's the cast stainless steel handle or what, but I can't really tell much difference in weight between the Mineral B Pro and a cast iron pan of similar size. The 12.5" Mineral B Pro supposedly weighs 6.4 lbs, and my 12" Stargazer cast iron pan weighs 6.5. One of the big benefits of carbon steel is supposed to be that it's lighter than cast iron, but the Mineral B Pros are such heavy duty high quality pans I don't think you really get that at all. The weight of the 11" pan is not too heavy for me with one hand, but my mother can't use it. She's been using these awful copper nonstick pans that have worn out and gotten scratched, so they're very hard to clean. I've backed the Kickstarter for the Strata pans, which are basically a bottom layer of stainless steel, a middle layer of aluminum, and a top layer of carbon steel, for much lower weight, and the review I've seen for those pans from a de Buyer fan was great, so I'm hoping for good results from those pans too.

[@NadiaandRob]

Agreed, all the Mineral B pans are fairly heavy…. But they’re built for a lifetime of use and abuse. The Strata’s sound interesting. Have fun with them.

[@apistosig4173]

I have more confidence in riveted handles and this greatly influences my purchasing decisions. Acidic foods? brief periods = no worries - long term will strip seasoning. I cook with Cast Iron, Non-Stick and Carbon Steel - I "love" cast iron and carbon steel - just awesome. Wonderful presentation - thanks 🙂

[@NadiaandRob]

Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for the encouragement

[@ericyourdan1595]

De buyer makes the mineral B in a 4.7 inch version called an egg & pancake pan.

[@warzshadow9701]

Do you think stainless steel or carbon steel is better?

[@NadiaandRob]

We haven't done a direct comparison yet, so we're hesitant to recommend one over the other. The one thing is that Carbon Steel is around half the price of a comparable quality Stainless Steel pan. Perhaps we'll do a comparison test in the near future.

[@briandavismurphy]

I use MineralB in three sizes and put them under the broiler and into 400+ ovens for 20 minutes and cannot detect any problems. Given the fact the handle does not touch the food does this heat and time restriction really even matter?

[@NadiaandRob]

We do the same, and have never had any issues. Seems like an overabundance of caution on DeBuyer's part..... but

[@umbles7007]

This review was everything I needed to hear to solidify what I want to get. Thank you so much. This is my plans. If anyone sees issue with my choices, please let me know I plan to own just 3 pans, as I don't have a lot of storage in my kitchen, and don't have the space for more Mineral B PRO 9.5" pan for searing and non-stick cooking (eggs and the like) La Lyonnaise 12" pan: primarily for stir fry (that note about being able to toss ingredients better in it really hit home) All Clad 3-ply saute pan: for sauce dishes, and w/e else.

[@NadiaandRob]

That sounds like a perfect assortment. So glad we could help you make your choices. Have fun cooking!

[@NadiaandRob]

One suggestion: DeBuyer also makes stainless steel pans. We haven’t tested them yet but they look to be very high quality. Use the link in the description to get a discount on your pans. Enjoy!

[@umbles7007]

@@NadiaandRob Thank you!

[@umbles7007]

@@NadiaandRob it looks like I might be waiting a bit. The two pans I want are out of stock. I'll be sure to check frequently

[@-fazik-3713]

De Buyer Carbone Plus. Same as Mineral B, without the Bee ;).

[@Quester82]

So what's the reason why you can't cook for a long time in the oven with the lower end pans?

[@NadiaandRob]

Debuyer cautions that the coating on the handle won't withstand long oven cooking... though I've not had a problem and many other commentors have said the same.

[@EPeltzer]

I guess I'm just mystified by the fact that they put a lacquer coating on the handles such that you really shouldn't put them in an oven too hot or too long which we do all the time with our cast iron skillets. Why not just ship them bare steel and you would season the handle as well as the pan surface. For that matter just put a stainless steel handle on all of them because stainless is really not very expensive. The deluxe one could still have the much nicer contoured stainless steel handle while the other ones could just be stamped thinner metal.

[@NadiaandRob]

We totally agree! Seems silly. We have had a number of viewers write in that they’ve seasoned their pans in the oven and put them in at high heat and had no sign of damage so draw your own conclusions

[@jackmclane1826]

Please all: Stop calling it "carbon steel". It is only mild steel with tiny trace amounts of carbon that would be too expensive to remove for no gains. Mineral B and Mineral B Pro only differ in the handle. Purely optics aesthetics.

[@TheMerryCook]

what brand of torch do you use on the salmon fish?

[@NadiaandRob]

It’s a searzall torch from www.bookeranddax.com/searzall. We love it… review video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3ezpIdubtmLac0si=oCLXsVMh6gS5iNBX Enjoy

[@TheMerryCook]

@@NadiaandRob thank you very much for the reply... I am going to buy one after seeing it in your video...love it

[@kohort1]

I still have issues with eggs. Fried eggs seem to stick. Scrambled eggs stick. Omelettes are pretty good as long as i don't stir too much and just lift the egg. The only thing i can think is that i have a glass top. I still need to try using my propane stove or oven to re season. But my cast iron does fine.

[@NadiaandRob]

Try using a bit more butter with your eggs, and watch that the temperature isnt too high. As you continue to cook with your pans they will become more non-stick, so just keep cooking!

[@richardwillford2418]

I've seasoned (and re-seasoned) my all my Mineral B pans in the oven at 230°C without any mishaps. Just saying.

[@NadiaandRob]

Good to hear! Thanks.

[@Quester82]

Thank you for insightful review. It helped me to ease myself into seasoning world quite nicely. From the sources other than official De Buyer site, I know that the lineup of frying pans should include 4, not 3, types of pans. The difference should be in the steel thickness. la Lyonnaise - from 1 to 1,5 millimeters Force blue - 2 mm Mineral B - 2,5 mm Carbone plus - from 2,5 to 3 mm. Have you ever encountered Force Blue pans? I wonder because I have already ordered one, knowing the quality of all other pans. Yet for some reason it's really hard to find even a couple of photos of the pan on the internet let alone reviews with cooking and using it in a real kitchen.

[@NadiaandRob]

We have not found the Force Blue pans, although some others have mentioned them. They seem to be a restaurant line, so they may only be available through commercial suppliers. Let us know if you find a source. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@Quester82]

@@NadiaandRob It seems that there is an so called #Outdoor pan series. It's main feature that it is a middle of the road pan. 2mm thick metal, and some bluish coating to protect the pan for the transportation. Works the same as Mineral B, but no beeswax and a more lightweight. And it looks like it's the force blue pan but rebranded or aimed at a different market.

[@NadiaandRob]

@@Quester82 , yes it definitely sounds like Force Blue, but I've never actually seen that line so it's hard to judge. It seems that some of the lines of pans may get named differently depending on the region.

[@srdjab2184]

very frustrating mineral b is enamel finished limiting oven use … very unreasonable

[@NadiaandRob]

Yeah. It’s an odd choice… but lots of folks have simply chosen to ignore it.

[@srdjab2184]

True but many report enamel cracking and uneven handle subsequently. It’s an odd choice by the company to even continue producing such a product with design limitations

[@radiantveggies9348]

​@@srdjab2184it's to upsell to the pro

[@jeryco6658]

Actually, not just the budget consideration makes La Lyonnaise pans so lovely, but also the weight of pans lighter the the series of mineral B pans absolutely fit my need to perform my cooking shows just like Jimmy Oliver. Indeed, it is a good pan to prepare in the kitchen. The only thing might struggle me in purchasing it is not package as gifts as mineral B series.

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes, the light weight makes them a joy to handle. Have fun cooking!

[@GrowLLLTigeRRR]

Thank you for the excellent video. Today I wrote Debyer customer support the following letter: Hello, I like my steaks seared in a very hot pan. I had not had much luck with cast iron so I began researching carbon steel pans. I did a LOT of research and narrowed it down to DeBuyer and Made In. It was a splurge, on my budget, but I went with DeBuyer and bought a MINERAL B PRO Carbon Steel Fry Pan With Helper Handle because, although it is heaver, it is thicker than the Made In and therefore less likely to warp when heated to a high temperature (I have a consumer-grade Frigidaire gas range). I don't know if it changed or was like this the whole time but I've come to notice that oil collects away from the center of the pan now. I used a machinist's square on the inside and outside bottom of the pan and discovered that it is not flat. Is this common in your pans? If not, would I be able to exchange it for a pan that is flat? A representative offered the following reply: Thank you for reaching out! Our carbon steel pans are not made to be completely flat and are designed to be slightly convex for several reasons: Heat Distribution: The convex shape helps in distributing heat more evenly across the cooking surface, preventing hot spots and ensuring that food cooks uniformly. Oil Management: A slightly convex surface prevents oil from pooling in the center of the pan. Instead, the oil spreads out towards the edges, which can be beneficial for certain cooking techniques and help in creating an even cooking surface. Durability: The convex design adds structural integrity to the pan, reducing the risk of warping when exposed to high heat. This is particularly important for maintaining the shape and functionality of the pan over time. Please let me know if you have any additional questions or if there is anything else we can assist you with. Does this sound ledgit? the difference from center to edge is approximately 2 mm. TIA

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes this does sound legit. I know some pans start out totally flat and then with heat they go convex, which causes them to spin on flat surface… nat at all good! The slight concave shape does perform better and the pans do hold their shape over time and high heat usage. I guess that the experience of many decades of manufacturing carbon steel pans has taught them a few things. Enjoy your pans!

[@GrowLLLTigeRRR]

@@NadiaandRob Thanks Nadia, I can now rest easy :)

[@michaelkagan6910]

I gotta be honest, what like best about this video is your Bluestar Range. Hopefully ill have mine by the summer

[@NadiaandRob]

We love our BlueStar stove, so enjoy yours when it arrives!

[@jawtek82]

There's basically three things that I need a pan to do: simmer tomato sauce, chili, Sunday gravy, etc. for hours; develop a nice sear/crust on proteins like steak and chicken at very high temp; and cook eggs and similar foods without excessive sticking. AFAICT, there isn't any one pan that can do all three of these things well. When someone invents that pan, they're going to make a lot of money.

[@NadiaandRob]

Basically you’re describing a stainless steel pan like debuyer-usa.com/products/affinity-stainless-steel-frying-pan. It can handle any heat, including under a broiler, can cook acidic sauces, and with a bit of butter can fry eggs beautifully. A good one will last a lifetime too. Enjoy!

[@warzshadow9701]

Stainless steel does all this.

[@Erik94K]

Hi, i have question about cleaning , if it is problem if i did not use soap when i clean it , if there can be some oil from manufacturer or something. If somoen respond thanks :D

[@NadiaandRob]

Go ahead and use soap.. it won’t harm the pan. Just dry it well when you’re done. Hope that helps

[@Erik94K]

@@NadiaandRob i already season it without soup , thats why i ask if it is dangerous in any way, like oil from manofacture etc. :D but thnx for response;)

Hello, thanks for the video. I have a question with the De Buyer pans, Can I cook acidic foods in them? How tomato sauces, foods with lemon, etc. Thanks for your valuable information.

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes, acidic foods will strip some of the seasoning if you cook them for a long time. However we often add lemon or tomatoes to a dish we’re cooking, especially as we’re finishing the dish. We have a separate copper sauce pan for making slow cooked sauces: kzbin.infoF6ys84-fVqs?feature=share Hope that helps.

[@Bryan-lg3fn]

Hi ! Love your show and will buy the DeBuyer B pro pan . I bought a " Made in " 10 " carbon steel and love it but the bottom warped after some usage on an electric glass oven top and it wobbles alot ....not happy about that

[@rdaphoto]

Glad you enjoy our show! Sorry to hear about the "Made in"... that's not great.

[@خالدخالد-ت8ج7ك]

3anedi tohefa 9edima awale sone3e .tajeriba.

[@Allen-L-Canada]

question: the carbon steel pans are much healthier than non-stick pans, why people are still buying non-stick coated pans? Why carbon steel pans are not so popular?

[@NadiaandRob]

Mostly I think people are just intimidated. And non-stick is marketed much more in North America. Ah well….

[@Allen-L-Canada]

@@NadiaandRob thanks

[@ashamancito4630]

There is also the Carbonne Plus lineup, which sits between their thinner, lighter gastronomy lineup and the Mineral B pans. They are essentially the same pans as the Mineral B ones, but come significantly cheaper. If you value the beeswax, which can be a good thing for the seasoning, you can buy it on the side.

[@NadiaandRob]

We have heard about the Carbone line but it doesn’t seem to be available in North America.

[@jamesschneider3828]

Could a person remove the coating from the handles of the non pro pans so they could serve high heat for longer period of time in the oven. Have you experimented with that idea?

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes, some of out viewers have done that by leaving the pans in the oven for longer.. it’s no problem.

[@villanella]

great video, thanks for the informations, it helped me a lot to chose!

[@ascalon132]

Would love to see how you'd fit the Carbone Plus line in there

[@NadiaandRob]

I'm not really sure... they look like the Mineral B pans. but they're only listed on the Frensh website, so I don't know if they're available in North America. I've never seen them.

[@derfx89]

Well, it's just the Mineral B minus the beeswax, so shouldn't make much of a difference. Actually, it depends, the carbone plus comes in two variants, one with the standard handle like the Mineral B, the other one with a round stainless steel one, making it completely oven-safe.

[@nadtz]

I have a couple less expensive carbon steel skillets with the 'European' style handle, I have to say the stainless handle looks really nice. Also looks like it would fit better in my oven, definitely going to add that to the list of potential pans to try out.

[@NadiaandRob]

Good choice. Enjoy!

[@nonnamacdeah1950]

I really enjoyed your video. Thank you so much for producing it. I'm new to carbon steel as I've used cast iron and stainless steel for decades. The 2 carbon steel pans I have purchased are the mineral B 9 1/2" skillet and the 13" Paella pan. I was looking for a lighter pan from my cast iron ones, and while my DeBuyer skillet is lighter than my cast iron, I was hoping it would be even lighter than it is. I've never heard of the DeBuyer La Lyonnaise line of pans and will look for one now. I've learned that in order to enjoy cooking with carbon steel, it is imperative that one not fret about losing some of the seasoning that's been built up. I cooked something and put in a splash of lemon and was really worried that I'd ruined the pan, but I just reseasoned it and 'Bob's your Uncle'! My Paella pan is faaaaantastic ~ no problems and it's the perfect size for cooking for 2 people. Thank you again for your easy watching and informative video. Happy cooking, Bon Appétit and all the best to you and yours from the beautiful east coast of Canada 🇨🇦 👍 🇨🇦.

[@NadiaandRob]

Wow, thank you for your kind and thoughtful words. Absolutely go ahead and abuse your pans, they can take it! Just remember... this is what armor was made of. I had a quick look around and found a couple of Canadian sites that carry LA LYONNAISE: www.lakehousehomestore.com/de-buyer-fry-pan-blue-steel-la-lyonnaise www.danielsgourmetkitchenware.ca/all-products/De-Buyer-La-Lyonnaise-Blue-Carbon-Steel-Fry-Pan-p501145711 It can be tricky to find the full range of De Buyer products in Canada. The US site is very informative ( debuyer-usa.com ) but they don't ship to Canada. So you have to find what you want to get, then search online for Canadian suppliers. De Buyer makes a huge range of cooking and baking equipment, all very high quality! I apologize in advance for the damage I may have just done to your bank account. Cook on! And greetings from Toronto!

[@Wavex-Yes-But-No]

Would there be a point to do more than one seasoning with a new pan?

[@NadiaandRob]

We do’t usually bother. One seasoning and then start cooking. The cooking process will continue building seasoning on the pan.

[@Wavex-Yes-But-No]

@@NadiaandRob but would it hurt anything? Thank you for answering 😊

[@NadiaandRob]

@@Wavex-Yes-But-No it's no problem doing multiple seasonings.... amny folks recommend it in fact. Just be careful not to put too much oil on the pan.... it can create a sticky buildup.

[@ameynaik2743]

Is the seasoning that comes off after acidic wine or tomatoes safe to consume?

[@NadiaandRob]

yes, it's totally safe.

[@daviddelamater9116]

A note: on De Buyer's US website, they sell the Lyonnaise as the generically named "Blue Carbon Steel Frying Pan". Odd choice to forfeit some brand recognition for those specifically looking for that model. Maybe they didn't think Americans could pronounce "Lyonnaise"?

[@gizzyguzzi]

they came out with the 'Access' in the Blue Carbon line. It is 10.25 2mm thick. I think the names are the models or size of the pan within the line?

[@paloma_a]

In the English site from Europe, I found both the "Lyonnaise" and the "Frying Pan, Blue Steel" (this one in outdoor section).

[@nyccolm]

Is that the Royal “we” ?? 😂

[@jennifermcmillan9518]

Thank you for this. Just purchased an induction and purchasing my first real grown up cookware at 50yoa. This helps a lot.

[@NadiaandRob]

We like your description of grown up cookware! Enjoy.

[@justinerogers1353]

Love your informative videos, thank you. Do you think you could put the La Lyonnaise and the Mineral B in the oven at a lower temperature for longer? 10 minutes is quite a long time but am wondering why 10 minutes is okay and no more vs lower temperature for a bit longer - for keeping food warm etc. Thank you. Am looking out for pre-owned de Buyer on ebay !

[@NadiaandRob]

I’m sure you could get away with longer times especially at lower temperatures. Good luck with your search!

[@justinerogers1353]

Thank you. I found an oval de Buyer on ebay - seems to have been made for whole fish cooking. Got a good deal on a Mineral B 28cm, can't wait for it to arrive. Thanks for responding.

[@Syliam184]

Thanks for this video. Does La Lyonnaise work on an induction stove ?

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes, the La Lyonnaise pans will work on induction, as they are steel. The tricky part is that most induction coil are rather small (5-6 inches in diameter). If you put a larger pan on that coil it will heat very fast in the center and less so at the edges, which can cause warping. So if using induction, allow the pans warm up slowly. There are larger diameter induction elements, but they tend to be very expensive. Hope that helps.

[@filmaadin]

Thanks. Very informative. Did you recognize any sort of deformation of the Lyonnaise pan under greater heat? I am a bit concerned about using it on flat glass stove tops.

[@NadiaandRob]

we did not see any deformation of the Lyonnaise pan during our testing. We use a gas stove, so very high heat. The only thing I would caution is when using an electric glass top stove, be sure to use the element that matches the size of the pan. If you use a large pan on the smaller elements, almost any pan will warp because the center heats up more than the edges. Glad you liked the video.

[@filmaadin]

@@NadiaandRob thank you so much for your quick and detailed answer. 🙏

[@jacknapier394]

Lovely video. I agree with carbon steel pans more than any other, too. Cheers!

[@NadiaandRob]

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed.

[@JanBüttgen]

Thanks for your presentation, learned a lot and make the decision easier thank you

[@NadiaandRob]

Great to hear!

[@paulhughes3961]

I blued my Mineral B in the oven at 465° for 1 hr. Then I begain the seasoning prosses. Just so you know I did 4 seasoning cycles at 450° for 1 hr. and nothing happened to the enamal on the handle and it has a beautifull blue black nonstick finish.

[@NadiaandRob]

Thanks for the info. We’ve always suspected that the temperature limit is a case of DeBuyer being overly cautious.

[@gigel99324]

The enamel on my carbone plus handle got ruined after baking it in the oven for 1 hour. Not sure about temperature. I would never repeat it.

[@NadiaandRob]

@@gigel99324 sorry to hear that. did the enamel come off, or just discolor?

[@ronaldfrench2004]

Is carbon steal safer for parrot in home than others.

[@NadiaandRob]

The cooking isn’t harmful, but the seasoning process may not be. If possible, try seasoning outside on a grill or a friends/family house that don’t have any avian pets. Once seasoned you are then good to go. Alternatively, have your parrot in another room and close the door….open windows in kitchen and have the vent going for seasoning. I think the best thing to do really is ask an avian vet just to be sure.

[@henrikohm]

Wonderful video. Exactly answering My questions

[@NadiaandRob]

Glad you enjoyed! Thankyou for commenting.

[@JuanRivera-wm2um]

I appreciate your insight. Gives me a place to start as I replace my old non-sticks.

[@NadiaandRob]

Glad the video was helpful :)

[@desiraesapp]

Thank you so much for your clear directions regarding seasoning. So helpful!

[@NadiaandRob]

You are so welcome!

[@RobKristjansson]

Like your food, your B-roll game is *chef's kiss* !

[@NadiaandRob]

Thank you!!

[@RivaZA1]

I have heard that you should just burn the enamel coating off on the standard Mineral B's handle as trying to keep it there will just limit what you can do with the pan.

[@NadiaandRob]

Yes, we just ignore the handle coating and throw the pans under the broiler. I think all the warnings are probably an excess of caution.... though I can't imagine why they would add a coating that limits the use of the pans.

[@peterl.104]

@@NadiaandRobdoes the handle coating not help with making it easier to hold bare handed because of heat and friction?

[@NadiaandRob]

@@peterl.104 no, unfortunately the coating is just a thin coat of enamel, so doesn’t provide any insulation.

[@travellerseko]

Brilliant review, great job 👏🏻

[@NadiaandRob]

Thank you... glad you enjoyed!

[@travellerseko]

@@NadiaandRob yes and subscribed immediately. I was in between De buyer Lyonnaise and ikea carbon steel frying pan (both are the same price atm). I’ll buy Lyonnaise now from Amazon. Greetings from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 pal👋🏻

[@NadiaandRob]

@travellerseko glad we could help. Nice to hear from Scotland

[@HrWisch]

And the winner is ... the Carbone Plus. Same vessel as MineralB with simpler handles at a much more reasonable price.

[@michael_the_chef]

And oven safe

[@HrWisch]

@@michael_the_chef Unfortunately, it's not. At least the standard handle is covered by some sort of paint which gets soft in the oven at high temperatures. I had one of my handles melt onto the oven tray when seasoning the skillet in the oven. Since then, I don't turn them upside down so the handle doesn't touch the hot metal parts of the oven. And I wait until the skillet has cooled down before I touch the handle. That way, the paint softening up is not a big deal for seasoning. I would prefer a bare metal handle like on the Turk / Matfer skillets. For the big 32cm and 36cm Carbone Plus skillets, I went with the version with two short helper handles. Not only do they fit my oven (which the long handle versions don't), those helper handles are bare metal and therefore 100% oven safe.

[@michael_the_chef]

@@HrWischmy carbon plus one is bare metal , or maybe i burned it off, i thought it was not covered in epoxy😂 There are two versions of handles for the carbone plus, a classic flat style steel handle and a hollow stainless steel handle, its different to the pro version, its not forged, just made out of a stainless steel "pipe"....

[@HrWisch]

@@michael_the_chef If it looks shiny blue with hammer marks, it's paint. I also thought it was blued metal with hammer marks until the stuff melted onto my oven tray. And it doesn't burn off easily, it's actually a very thick layer of paint.

[@alexandermayer2026]

So many unclear and untrue things here. Do the seasoning. Fry an egg. Is it non-stick? Follow the hopefully successful fried egg test by searing a steak. Guaranteed loss of seasoning. Do your mickey mouse little bit of oil re-season. Fry another egg. Guaranteed NOT non-stick. The oven bake re-season is often necessary. BTW, I have oven baked the Mineral B at 500* for an hour more than 20 times with no effect on the handle. Downplaying the loss of seasoning does no service to your viewers. The acidic food problem is much more real of a problem than you state. When you cook with carbon steel, you are playing seasoning protection, not enjoying cooking. Also a simple heat gun is a must for doing reviews. Depending on the cooktop, the achievement of an evenly heated pan is a process. I use a glass top electric, and the center gets really hot before the edges and the sides can take up to 15 minutes to evenly heat. On glass top electric and induction, you almost for sure get warping and a spinning pan. When it cools, the warp goes away. But what good does that do for cooking? Gas is the only real way to evenly heat as the flame licks the sides of the pan. Stainless steel is bullet proof and mishaps are easily remedied with scouring. And with seasoning and the water drop test, an egg can be fried non-stick on stainless steel. I have been at this for years and find these spotty, how-to videos very misleading and unhelpful in getting us learners to the enjoyment of cooking.

[@michaelkagan6910]

Very good analysis here. From the sound of it, I'd say you are a culinary school grad like myself???

[@alexandermayer2026]

@@michaelkagan6910 no. I’m just a hobbyist who often gets frustrated by bad information

[@michaelkagan6910]

@alexandermayer2026 I totally understand and completely respect you for it!!!! You have my support. I can't tell you how many of these "cooks" I see here on KZbin that totally irritate me cause they say such nonsense. They show how little they really know

[@alexandermayer2026]

@@michaelkagan6910 problem is, I have followed many of them down the rabbit hole.

[@cristianionascu]

Mineral B Pro for me (I have the Eiffel Tower queue) in 9" and 11". I also use cast iron quite à lot

[@NadiaandRob]

The Eiffel tower ones are cute. Do the handles collect grease and dirt? We love our various cast iron pans as well.

[@cristianionascu]

@@NadiaandRob No Rob, they do not, but they don't see as high of a usage as my cast iron

[@NadiaandRob]

@@cristianionascu good to know. Thanks