de-Calvinising Romans 9

[@deezerbe5045]

God bless you, whoever you are who made this video. (I myself have never been a Calvinist, I hate the doctrine) This video is well made and explains Romans 9 beautifully. So many people are trapped in this bad teaching of Calvinism, and that doctrine besmirches our loving God in the eyes of unbelievers. Thank you for making this video! You sound like an Aussie, greeting from Texas brother!

[@Matthew515tweet]

Thanks from Australia, my Texan brother. Glad to hear you hold to a better view of God's grace :) Blessings

[@larrybedouin2921]

The thing that God predestined from the foundation of the world was the fact that salvation would be IN CHRIST through sanctification of the Spirit. One cannot be sanctified through the Spirit before one has been born into this world.

[@michaelpoapst9465]

Debate James White !

[@emmanuelokello9183]

Waste of time. Let James White first debate Idol Killer. (Warren McGrew)

[@Mathew247]

The key to truly understanding Romans 9 is to start with the conclusion and work backwards towards it. It's Israel versus Gentiles as the Church. Israel missed righteousness while Gentiles gained it. Esau represented the nation of Israel In Rebekah's womb. Jacob represented the Church through Christ. The two nations in Rebekah's womb were Israel and the Church....not Edom and Israel. Another clue is that Paul equates Esau and Jacob with Ishmael and Isaac. Flesh versus Spirit / Old Covenant versus New Covenant ---------------------------- Ishmael = Israel = the firstborn= the one who loses the birthright (Exo 4 22 "Israel is my firstborn son) Isaac= Christ= the only begotten Son --------------------------- Esau= Israel= the firstborn' the one who loses the birthright Jacob= Jesus= the ones who gives "birth" to the church through twelve God ended up "hating" Israel but "loves" His Son Jesus is the only Son and therefore the only heir We get the right to "become" sons of God through Jesus...Not Israel Romans 9 teaches that national Israel is obsolete Welcome to the New Covenant Peace

[@phillipgoodson2057]

John Calvin didn’t write Romans. Paul did. The Word of God says what it says. You just hate it. Because you hate God and have created for yourself a god in your own image. God does the choosing. Period. John 15:16 “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”

[@Matthew515tweet]

Interesting assessment, Philip. Perhaps you might help me by addressing some specific errors you see present in the points I make in the video? RE your John 15:16 reference, I would also encourage you to consider watching the John 6 episode in this series.

[@phillipgoodson2057]

@Confessing Exalter John 8:47 “He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” If you were a believer you would agree with the Word of God. 2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” Whenever a child of the Devil attacks the Word of God, you stand on the Word of God. If YOU do not repent you will burn in hell forever with your father.

[@phillipgoodson2057]

@Confessing Exalter I’m not a Calvinist. I’m a Bible Believer. Arminian heretics fall apart in Romans 9. The Bible unapologetically says what it says. If you don’t believe it you’re an UNBELIEVER! John 6:44 “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” If the Word of God contradicts your made up religion, Gos is right and your man made religion is wrong.

[@phillipgoodson2057]

@Confessing Exalter I put all my faith in the Word of God and condemn any who preach against it.

[@catalina7294]

@@phillipgoodson2057 So you're saying that you rely solely on Augustine and Calvin for your interpretation of the word. However, it's worth noting that before Augustine, many church fathers held beliefs in free will.

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

When you have to "de-calvinise" the entire bible, the bible is not for you. You don't like the truth revealed in scripture so you make up an idolatrous conceptualization of your own god and scripture. Jesus said he who "HAS" ears let him hear, does everyone have ears? Matt 13:15 kjv.

[@Matthew515tweet]

Thanks for your comment. If I may respond: (a) This series is addressed at a Calvinistic *interpretation* of the Bible (b) Perhaps you could unpack Matthew 13:15? My understanding is that “this people” is referring to Israel in a general sense - in the context of the many who were not recognising Jesus at that point in time - and which God used to bring about His atoning sacrifice (see Acts 2:23). Some of these same hardened Jews are those would be the same who were saved on the day of Pentecost, while others are expected to turn later as part of being jealous of the influx of Gentile believers (Romans 11, esp. v. 11). (c) If we look elsewhere at 'hearing' - Jesus actually puts the responsibility back on hearers (e.g., Luke 8:18)

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

@@Matthew515tweet Yeah, you plagiarized that from Layton flowers, or this is how you people try to make sense out of something that reads so plainly but yet you can’t deal with it in your humanistic mind so you make apologetics against what the text plainly says

[@probroscool3202]

Food for thought. A word with "de" in front of it implies something was there to refute. There wouldn't be need to de-calvinize if people didn't calvinize the bible in the first place. Interested how that works. On the flip side, what about verses like John 3:16, 1 John 2:2. Why does a Calvinist subscribe to the idea that they can change the meaning of the whole world or world. Hmmm. More often than not, there are more passages of scripture that are in conflict with the Calvinist view. Why should a person have to keep changing the specs on their lens to fit the doctrine when we should be letting scripture impact our doctrine. Anyways, a Calvinist is still a brother in Christ, so God be with you! Let's not have division amongst ourselves, God will reveal it in due time.