Deal Breaker? - QD OLED Monitor Headaches

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[@jchi6822]

Could be: 1. PWM flickering 2. VRR related flickering 3. Bad levels of blue light (but its less likely in 2024) Level of headaches and eyes soreness depends on individual susceptibility of the nervous system. On OLED android smartphones one can try Dark mode UI + DC dimming (low flickering) mode to reduce head/eye strain. Maybe you can find similar options too.

[@sudd3660]

pwm flicker is almost removed in oled's, that is more common on ips. but if you notice pwm on a monitor then lokk at your kayboard, those backlights are horrendous flicker. my point is that keyboard flicker is worse than even the worst ips.

[@jchi6822]

Good point on keyboard backlight. I just don't use it. However, another source of flickering could be appliances near your desk, like extra decorative lighting and dimmable LED lamps.

[@patrikmedia]

I find the chromatic abbreviation on text to be super annoying when reading, this is the main thing caused my headaches. I have no issues on WOLED, it's very obvious to me.

[@drunkhusband6257]

It's called people with vision issues they need professionaly checked

[@DrakonR]

​@@sudd3660OLED uses a PWM type of flicker. It's been documented and some sites cover it depending on device.

[@humanity_3]

What’s anecdotal here is your understanding of your own poll. The fact that you just had one option for “I don’t have eye strain” is idiotic. Your poll can’t represent anything, because you don’t have a distribution between people owning different types of panels. You should have had these options: I have QD-Oled and I have an issue, I have QD-Oled and I don’t have an issue, I have WOLED and I have an issue, I have WOLED and I don’t have an issue, etc. This would let you know what percentage of people with each specific panel type has any issues. Then you would be able to say: 8% of QD-oled owners have an issue compared to 5% for standard IPS. What you did, on the other hand, is simply nonsense that can not be used to claim anything.

[@silverfoxvr8541]

Listening in school is important. BRAVO. I love the internet but things like this are just pure wasted work.

[@Sloimer]

Wow big pollster here. Shut up.

[@SpykerSpeed]

It might be some kind of flicker effect giving people headaches.

[@DrakonR]

PWM flicker

[@Raveehh]

I had very bad issues with 360hz MSI qd oled panel. Pounding painful headache for 4 days and a constant more mild headache for another 1-2weeks. I sent that back after using just 2 days.

[@Savitarax]

One thing I think most people don’t realize is QDOLED has a very wide color gamut. I noticed that if you crank it hard enough. The vibrant colors in the beginning can cause some eye strain but it goes away after a while.

[@Savitarax]

I’ve seen it going from my Alienware TN to my IPS Acer.

[@DrakonR]

It's not the colors, it's the PWM flicker

[@DBT_Rusty]

I work at an eye clinic and am in the room for visits with the doctors and patients and this question about blue light gets asked a lot. All of the doctors I've seen answer this question say that the only merit to blue light being harmful is that it can effect your sleep cycle through impacted circadian rhythm. Hence why many electronics have night modes that have reduced blue light filters.

[@superior96]

Exactly, most people have no idea what the fuck they're talking about when fearmongering about blue light.

[@МордухайПяточкин]

@@superior96 Exactly, most doctors have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. Just lowering color temperature to 5000k significantly reduces eye strain.

[@koflan]

@@superior96 In the same way that a lot of people went gluten free because they didn't feel well and thought maybe they had Celiac's disease (but didn't), the extremely harsh light produced by LEDs is death to people who actually have photophobia, but there are also people who don't have it but worry about it. The worry of people who do not have the condition does not invalidate the condition.

[@1GTX1]

With my previous monitor with no blue light reduction, i was not being able to see properly, had headache, eyes strain, and not being able to sleep properly does affect a person in many ways. It was a huge problem, and it would have been great if i knew about blue light reduction in modern monitors.

[@DBT_Rusty]

@@1GTX1 there is no good data suggesting blue light negativity effects eye health. There is good data suggesting that while you focus on something (screen, book, phone, drawing etc) your blink rate is reduced, which can cause dry eyes, which can cause discomfort, tearing, intermittent blurred vision and split second sharp pains. There are lots of good ways to address this such as over the counter artificial tears, the 20/20 rule (every 20 minutes take 20 seconds to relax your eyes and blink regularly), warm compresses on eye lids, etc.

[@JackTotGaming]

I am pretty sure it’s the VRR flicker. I have tried multiple different OLED monitors and I have yet to find one that does not make me nauseous so I have stuck with my IPS display. I have no issues with my OLED TV so it’s likely related to distance from screen plus vrr flicker.

[@DrakonR]

It's PWM flicker

[@JackTotGaming]

@@DrakonR possibly but I have zero issues with IPS or VA panels; only OLED and VRR flicker for sure is a part of it

[@DrakonR]

@@JackTotGaming it's not possibly. It's what it is. PWM has been the issue of these symptoms since CRT days. Most IPS and VA are flicker free. miniLED runs on PWM, but it's at a much higher frequency. 700+Hz. VRR flicker is not the cause as most VAs have terrible VRR flicker too.

[@ACE112ACE112]

2:56 you also need to take into account how many people have a specific monitor type and don't get headaches

[@cassieudy5718]

Both my OLEDs give me eyestrain within a few minutes. My IPS do not--I can game for hours at a time on them. Allegedly.

[@sudd3660]

i do not get eyestrain from my oled's, but i did some tweaks to get it to look more comfortable. oled and hdr is in such a state now that out of the box settings are horrible. not plug and play... either way the low number of people having issues must not be ignored, we need a deep dive into this. i do hear higher number of complaints on Alienware oled's

[@DoomHydra]

Sounds like a skill issue 2 me bub ☠️☠️☠️

[@trsskater]

Blue light isn't harmful. Staring at your monitor for 8 hours a day is harmful. *cough* Pointing at your desk jobs.

[@e8root]

Yes, I can stare at monitors al day long each day and zero headaches. Connect work laptop to the same screen and after few hours: headache.

[@drunkhusband6257]

Staring at a monitor for even 16 hours isn't harmful.....

[@trsskater]

@@drunkhusband6257 it's bad for your eyes because of eye strain because of looking at a fixed distance for too long. Its what is causing a lot of office workers to need glasses and they get older. Drs say every hour you should look away from your monitor. So you don't lose the ability to focus at different distances.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@trsskater A monitor isn't going to hurt your eyes, and there is no credible optometrist that has EVER said that.

[@trsskater]

@@drunkhusband6257 The monitor isn't what hurts your eyes. You could stare at a picture for 8 hours and have the same problem. Staring at a fixed distance for hours is bad for your eye. That has been proven that it causes near sightedness. It doesn't hurt you but it's harmful to your vision. Its like if you stop moving your legs as much they get weaker.

[@Sevenhens]

Its VRR flicker ☹️

[@patrikmedia]

nah, I used one on a Mac for design work. no VRR was active and I got headaches. Never had this issue working on WOLED.

[@504Trey]

​@patrikmedia Tell your eyes to quit being a B**TCH!

[@TemporaryVoid]

What he means is that the flicker happens when your fps (in a game for exemple) are changing a lot, it's especially more pronounced on dark scenes. Too avoid it, lock your fps at a value you can maintain

[@bjarnis]

OLED is horrible for PC gaming, I had one but sold it after a few weeks.

[@StevoHDA]

actually vrr flicker contributes only in particular times for most people in use but the flicker that's actually causing the strain is there vrr on or off, it's constant. some people in the know returned multiple of these till they got a good sample. I personally had a good sample of a DW, it was certainly better than any 27" ips I've had prior and I've had A LOT and did that while it was ultrawide too. lcds i swear still shoot blue through the screen but we don't see it coz we're focusing on the lcd panel, idk but it strains so much more on lcds

[@drblitz3092]

Thats why i returned my 65” oled. It was giving me headaches and spotty, fingerprint vision. Ips and lcd dont give me any problems.

[@Koutsn_]

I've owned the FO27Q3 for a few months now 2295 hours on the clock, only got a slight headache for the first 2 days. this might be unrelated but this was also the period when I really still noticed the subpixel fringing. I pretty much don't see the fringing anymore now either. (edit after reading some comments)VRR flicker was horrible, that gave me a headache in seconds, but it'd be obvious that that is causing your headache because of how visible it is.

[@amphibeingmcshpongletron5026]

I use an LG C2 42' OLED TV as a monitor. I only get eye strain at night using HDR when gaming or reading text with a white background for an extended period of time. It's essentially a non-issue for me and I use it daily. If I don't have issues with my current OLED panel, would QD-OLEDs potentially give me more issues? I've heard it's all OLEDs, but again, I rarely have any issues with mine now.

[@ejdhdjejejebdnem]

yes the HDR is the problem and to be more accurate is the high contrast. i have my oled g3 just on sdr and t my issue is solved

[@amphibeingmcshpongletron5026]

@@ejdhdjejejebdnem Well, I ended up getting the MSI MAG 27' 1440p 240hz QD-OLED. I like it as a gaming monitor (especially coming from 120hz and trying to run games at 4k), and it has enough settings to to make most normal use and browsing mostly comfortable. My only issue, funny enough, is when scrolling through KZbin or reddit comments in dark mode (which I always have enabled on most sites). The dark background in between the white text pulses and flickers in brightness like CRAZY, no matter what setting I have on. Now THAT will give me a headache, which has never happened to me before when simply browsing in SDR on other screens. I get around it by using my scroll wheel quickly, as pressing in the middle mouse button and smoothly scrolling down with the arrow makes the background flicker super noticeable. Never seen another screen or monitor do that. Doesn't matter what brightness, hdr/sdr, adaptive sync on/off, blue light filter, etc. It does it and as soon as I noticed it, I couldn't not notice it. Not a dealbreaker, as I got it for gaming and have another display, but easily my biggest gripe. It's honestly a bit outrageous how blatant it is. I'm shocked there seems to be nothing you can do about it for such an expensive monitor. That and the pixel shift is really noticeable for me, but I haven't messed with the oled care settings a lot. It behaves very differently to my LG C1 in many ways that make me still want to use the LG for non gaming stuff. The picture seems far more consistent a with less "noise" and inconsistency while just browsing.

[@vulcanjoe8258]

Been gaming all my life and have used both types being the: WOLED (LG27GR95QE-B) QD OLED (AW2725DW) Had a tiny bit of eye strain with the WOLED panel when I first used it but after 12 months no issues. The AW2725DW.. holy shit that panel kills my eyes and I had to return it with the eye strain. Neither panel however gave me a headache.

[@lonewanderer1249]

Eye distance from your monitor is important. Being too close will have negative effect on your eyes. I have a small room so I can't have a big desk. For me a 22-24 inch monitor is best since I can have a good eye distance. But most of the high end monitors in the market are 27-32 inch which doesn't allow me to have a good eye distance like before. I really hope high end monitors with high resolution and fps count are made in 22-24 inch in the future.

[@gerbermw]

2025 they are supposedly releasing mini oled monitors

[@Ranguvar13]

A lot of recent QD-OLEDs have had PWM at a low frequency. Phones, laptops….

[@jrdn5206]

Got the 32” ASUS WOLED dual mode. I’m a software engineer and tried using it yesterday, with setting anti VRR flicker to high, SDR mode, etc, I instantly felt nauseous after 10 minutes of usage. I continued using it and 16 hours later I’m still feeling like I’m hungover. I tried lowering resolution for easier to read text, etc. I may attempt the 1440P model to visit your claim of sizing, but I doubt you’re correct but I hope so as I’d like to give OLED a shot. It’s dizziness and nausea for me. I wanted to throw up at night. 😢

[@shavertz]

feeling this exactly. any update with this? did it improve at all?

[@aberkae]

Oled has less blue light than traditional led by as much as 45% though. Oled should be healthier for your eyes as well.

[@Skylancer727]

That's again assuming that blue light does anything at all. There really isn't any evidence blue light can damage the eyes. The only thing proven about blue light is that it keeps you awake.

[@kerkertrandov459]

Just use f.lux, u dont need oled for it. Personally i set mine statically to 5K down from the default 6.5K, helps a lot and yeah it's more orange-ish at first but u get used to it very fast

[@legolas0029]

i have one qled and one ips. i wound not recommend a qled to my worst enemy that thing will destroy your eyes. with my alienware ips i can game for hourss and I cant play for more than 1 hour with my qled.

[@legolas0029]

its a beautiful display but your eyes are more important I was sensitive to light for 5 days after using it

[@Skylancer727]

@@legolas0029 It's QD-OLED. QLED is a standard LCD format. In fact even if your LCD isn't marked it, it probably is.

[@theblitz1687]

Most likely pwm flickering. Look at any OLED display whether its phones or monitors. They have very low pwm frequencies which is associated with headaches on people who are sensitive to it. Blue light argument doesnt make any sense. Blue, like red and green, is just an em wave. What matters is the color that reaches your eye. Blue light cannot sneak up on you. If it did, it would be like looking at a bluer/cooler display, you would know.

[@yzuniga13sa]

I put away my qdoled and went back to using ips, that vrr flicker is atrocious 🤢🤮

[@obviouslee1949]

Which QD OLED do you have ?

[@Ziyoblader]

I've been keeping an eye out for new panel technology to upgrade too from my iPS's and I've watched a few videos on the differences and after this video by the display guy and a few of these comments here I'm probably going to cross off QD OLED and look for WOLED deals

[@Snxgur]

enjoy the matte display

[@yzuniga13sa]

@@obviouslee1949 i have the msi 27inch 1440p 360hz

[@M_CFV]

@@Snxgur lol which is not on every IPS and is also barely noticeable. Its also not on IPS TV's at all, not a problem whatsoever on those. And I use one of those for my PC daily

[@Gates-Tech]

I had the same issue (aw32), but I've gotten used to it and added a BenQ ScreenBar Pro. No more issues

[@Ziyoblader]

I mean if QD OLED looks unnatural for the color in certain lighting conditions then it's unnatural for your eyes and can cause headaches but jokes aside I was leaning towards w OLED because the more natural colors in all lighting conditions because I was not a fan of that pink tint you get with QD OLED

[@Misaleey]

Have had my Alienware 32 inch QD OLED (AW3225QF) for the past several months, no headache issues so far.

[@ReturnRemorse]

I was coming from an IPS monitor and switched to QD-OLED. First week I definitely was getting eye strain and that feeling of when you take off your glasses and your eyes need to adjust. But like most of everything else in life, I just got used to it after a little while. No issues at all now. Might be helping that I'm using biased lighting and glasses with a blue light filter.

[@benedictbadminton4993]

eye strain -> headache -> dizziness and nausea after a while. the eye strain happens within seconds. the dizziness was after like a month. i put my old monitor back and it went away after 1 month. it happens with all oleds.

[@NoFame250]

I had both monitors too-the Asus 32 UCDM and the LG 32 WOLED. No matter how stunning the picture was, I just couldn’t vibe with them, even after tweaking all sorts of settings. It started with my eyes feeling super tired and irritated after like 20 minutes of use. Then, after about 2-3 weeks, it escalated into brutal headaches. The longer I kept the monitor, the more constant the headaches became. And I’m usually the type who never gets headaches! End of the story: I switched back to an IPS panel, and boom-problems gone instantly!

[@kracked7637]

Personally I have the AW32" and finding it quite comfortable and easy on my eyes. But I do turn the brightness down a fair bit to where it looks balanced to me, and use a bit of f.lux blue light filter when not in hdr. I've also given up on using vrr for most things because I don't want to deal with the flickering. But with those adjustments it's giving me way less strain or motion sickness compared to my old VA panel monitor

[@GENIRYODAN]

No problem with 321URX, I have no VRR enabled though.

[@Pensioner1203]

I have same monitor. How did u disable VRR please

[@clave2049]

same

[@gerbermw]

@@Pensioner1203late to give solution but it is renamed under “freesync premium pro” under “gaming” tab. Switch that to off.

[@davidgiles9751]

I went from a curved Dell 32" LCD to the LG Flex 42 OLED. Zero problems here - no eye strain and no headaches.

[@nikolakostic5667]

I had to return the 4k 240hz msi oled and the 1440o 360hz oled because of massive eye strain and headaches. In comparison, I have no problem with my phone oled, swith oled, laptop oled etc

[@Пётр-р1щ9ь]

Don't all oled monitors have low frequency pwm? Judging by the graphs rtings it is. I am very sensitive to flickering, that's why I'm afraid to buy OLED

[@j.a.velarde5901]

Proud owner of an MSI RPG 321URX here... no headaches.

[@Pensioner1203]

Gives me eye strain. What your settings pls

[@trevdrummer12]

@@Pensioner1203same here

[@gerbermw]

@@Pensioner1203same but I never tweaked settings and my brightness is def way too high. But this is only after I game for 7 hours straight on ultra settings and hdr enabled 😅

[@amphibeingmcshpongletron5026]

@@gerbermw Yeah, that'll do it lol. I use an LG C2 42' OLED as a monitor, and never have problems, UNLESS I've been gaming for hours at full HDR brightness at night, or if I forget to turn HDR off and start reading text with a white background. Really want a high refresh rate 2k monitor and hope it's a similar experience. My current isn't QD-OLED though, so I hope I don't have issues.

[@unspoken7704]

Its happening on WOLED C3 and C4 as well. Both have different manufacturing processes and have green tint compared to previous models.

[@johngonzalez9621]

Didn’t notice vrr flicker on my MSI qd oled, but I did get really bad headaches and eye fatigue. Had to return it.

[@DrakonR]

It's the PWM flicker

[@Pensioner1203]

​@@DrakonRhow turn this off PWM please

[@gerbermw]

I am experiencing this as well with my msi urx. I retuned it and ordered the gigabyte aorus im hoping it’s better.

[@DrakonR]

@@gerbermw they are all using similar PWM frequencies. So don't be shocked if it continues to bother you.

[@gerbermw]

@@DrakonR damn that’s too bad because the picture is breathtaking when gaming. Perhaps I gotta go back to ips or lcd

[@MarginalSC]

Haven't gotten a headache, but my MSI MPG URX does like to randomly just go black briefly during games. Nothing like a boss fight in Elden Ring but you're effectively blinded for 10 seconds...

[@Elkadetodd]

Your poll doesn't help if you don't know the relative ratios of what kind of monitor they have. If 3x as many people have qd-oled as woled, then they are equal. Other than the 86% don't portion... I have a MPG 321URX. I had more issues getting used to a flat screen again than anything else.

[@bren.r]

This was the reason why I returned the AW3225QF - I just cannot do QD-OLED. I found it so fatiguing on my eyes with not even 5-10 minutes of use. Makes you wonder how much damage it is doing to peoples' eyes.

[@raikaru0]

eye fatigue =/= damage

[@bren.r]

@@raikaru0 you're an optometrist? Interesting. I suggested it might cause damage. You asserted it DOESN'T cause damage due to fatigue.

[@Skylancer727]

@@bren.r Eye fatigue does not cause eye damage. Not blinking can but that's because perpetual dry eyes does deal damage, but certain colors shouldn't cause that, it's more when people look at a display in general they blink less. Honestly if you have headaches from it, it's probably from VRR flicker. It's a well known problem with OLED displays and flickering lights are known to cause headaches and even nausea. Shouldn't really change with WOLED though, I think it's just that people buy them less than QD-OLED and people using TVs for consoles rarely use VRR.

[@Ranguvar13]

Very happy with mine

[@raikaru0]

@@bren.r You don’t need to be an optometrist to know eye fatigue isn’t damaging. It wears off just by resting your eyes

[@JtwasLuck]

It's not about the blue light that's causing headaches its that a lot of these QD-OLEDs use PWM at lower brightness levels!

[@christopherlafreniere7141]

Returned the Alienware 27” 360, and MSI 240. Ended up with the Samsung 32 G80SD AMD Freesync on and no headaches or motion sickness was at all. Also, matte on this monitor is awesome from my 2.5 feet seating distance.

[@zxcvb7653]

For me i realised it might actually be due to the matte finish rather than the panel type. Anecdotally, I find that my eyes keeps focusing on the hazy reflection rather than the on screen content. I AM awear this is not a common experience with everyone, but it's worth thinking about it

[@SlavicCinnamonRollie556]

Would be nice to know the list of games that were shown in the video.

[@ja-irwilson6343]

I was just thinking this

[@Creationseed9]

PWM is the problem, and who knows what else. Till oled or another tech comes out, for the plebs like us, with DC Dimming, and more eye care... we destroy our eyes daily!

[@obviouslee1949]

Hmm, PWM does seem to fluctuate slightly more with QD-OLED over WOLED but not by a huge margin. I am not sure whether that is the culprit or not.

[@DrakonR]

​@@obviouslee1949it 100% is the culprit

[@budthecyborg4575]

It's just eye fatigue. Playing DOOM Eternal on my 1000 Nits HDR Samsung Q8FN (1440p120hz mode) very quickly gave me a headache, I could only play that game at 500 nits. Extreme HDR with calm natural scenery feels amazing but when the screen is constantly filled with lava and explosions HDR can be hazardous.

[@richr161]

Some games are prone to this. I was playing talos principle 2 and for some reason the fast movement with contrast environment, bobbling of the character, and slight microstutter had me eyes and brain twisted.

[@DrakonR]

It's PWM flicker..

[@Eusebiugh]

Vrr flicker can be fixed by disabling adaptive sync.

[@ChaoticFoxxie]

qd oled gave me massive headaches that didnt go away to i swapped back to woled

[@Ziyoblader]

Interesting so WOLED a lot nicer on the eyes it seems I've seen a few other comments say the same thing

[@ChaoticFoxxie]

@@Ziyoblader for me it was very much noticed reduction in eye strain and headaches within a hour

[@Snxgur]

placebo. woled/qdoled give the same effect on the eyes . it’s just placebo

[@Ziyoblader]

@@Snxgur are you sure looking from the videos WOLED seems to be less harsh because things like fire in a game doesn't shine as bright because woled that doesn't have that pink slash yellow tint inside that seems to enhance brighten quantum dot.

[@ChaoticFoxxie]

@ did multiple test and no it very much does cause headaches it’s also all over other places just becasue u don’t have that happen to you donest mean it doesn’t happen

[@PLAYER2035]

OLED monitors give me terrible eye strain. I tried 2 different high end units and went back to an LCD IPS monitor

[@Mcfa]

Same here. Tried the MSI 341CQPX and my eyes burned. I tried all settings from brightness down, no HDR but my eye strains were obvious. Mostly when reading text. Home office was not possible. So I returned it.. sadly. I wait for 2 more years and hope better panels will be released

[@DrakonR]

OLED use essentially a PWM flicker. If you can control the shutter speed you can capture it. Some sites have started to document it because as more OLEDs hit the market, more accounts of eyestrain are being reported. I'm sensitive to OLED flicker, but not all OLEDs are equal in irritation.

[@thedude7123]

@@DrakonR Are you able to use any of the current OLED Monitors?

[@DrakonR]

@@thedude7123 none of them. The best I've used is the LG C series 42". Switch OLED isn't very irritating either. I think LG might be using a different method on the TVs, but it's speculation at this point.

[@Skylancer727]

Yeah I don't see why it would cause any headaches. The only things I could see are from the VRR flicker or maybe the odd sub pixels being blurry or having chromatic aberration. But the majority of these issues carry over to WOLED and many LCDs use a more blue colored LED than white so that doesn't even make any sense.

[@DrakonR]

It's the PWM flicker

[@STiStein]

I just bought a LG 45GS95QE that I'm returning due to the poor text quality and headache/eye strain while playing games because of the brightness and colors to me are crazy off. I played with the monitor for 2 days adjusting the color and could not get it set to what I like and it stay consistent in all games. I've already boxed it back up and switched back to my curved 34" Alienware. I think the brightness of the OLED is not for me in a dark room. I'm highly looking forward to the new Alienware models, hands down the best displays in my opinion.

[@jonahjameson272]

Yeah I want to get one but first have to test out I'll probably go to microcenter and see. I read if you turn off pixel shift you lose screen space on the side. What a letdown I don't need/want pixel shift let it burn in after 3 years. VRR flicker/pixelshift no thanks

[@mbvx7]

Been using the AW3225QF for months now, no issues whatsoever. No headaches from gaming. etc. I did get headaches from a 43 TV as a monitor. No issues with QD-OLED

[@charliegrech2026]

I get headaches on my G4 aswell, its not just qdoled. S95c headaches were chronic tho. Both used for PC. Part of it is the blurring whilst camera panning, the other reason is the brightness. I had to turn down brightness on my phone too.

[@earlier6977]

I agree changing monitor size until I got used to 27in. Also the brightness if you to close . Personal experience. But I’ll be moving to one of the new 32 4k in near future

[@Nerven86]

Its all about the blue light. and no polarization layer.

[@UnofficialSno]

I get more eye strain that could turn into headaches if i dont take a break, but thats on me. I figured it was from having a brighter screen with the crazy contrast differences. Like other noted, it could also be from the vrr flicker. even with the newer firmware update on the mpg321urx, theres still pretty noticable flickering.

[@px0v]

Another likely issue is that people might be using low brightness on some LCD IPS monitor, then going to always-on-HDR on OLED which (at least feels like) has higher overall brightness and highlights. I realized that with my FO32U2P right after booting it up for the first time.

[@panzerd18]

Used a 42.5" VA 4K 60hz monitor, changed to 42" OLED 4k 144hz monitor and am now getting noticeable eye strain and headaches with the OLED.

[@JsGarage]

I’m very prone to migraines and don’t notice any difference since spending many hours at a time on my 32” OLED.

[@valeriojackable]

For me it is the size/distance combo. When i play fast games on my 32inch monitor fullscreen i get a headacke. If i play the same game on the same monitor in a window approx equal in size to a 27 inch monitor i have no problems.

[@Vandelay666]

If blue light is harmful, then people should not go outside. Actually Blue light from the sun is helpful to you, in the morning.

[@beginanewt]

I dont usually stare directly into blue lights outside

[@Vandelay666]

@@beginanewt Never look directly at the sun, but it is actually very good to walk with the sun in front of you in the morning. So said Dr. Andrew Huberman. A Neuroscientist

[@faroukm4148]

@@Vandelay666you can’t compare the blue light from the sun to the blue light emitted from a qd oled monitor 💀

[@Vandelay666]

@@faroukm4148 Yes ofc you can't. The sun's light is way way stronger. There is nothing special about Blue Light. Maybe take a look at this video: How we see color - Colm Kelleher.

[@Vandelay666]

@@faroukm4148 Yeah you really can't! The sun at noon is rated at 1.6 billion nits. And there is nothing special about blue light. There are videos on KZbin that explains how light works

[@Whreck11]

I have AW3225qf since a month,im just playing 1-2hours per day at night,i have a dark room,no eyestrain or headache,i set it back more back than my old led/va monitor though,i think its because of the hours spent and the distance to monitor,some people spend way more hours staring at monitor sitting very close to it. About vrr flickering i barely notice only on some games loading screen.

[@avirtualworld4U]

Screen flicker has and does but for me it's Breathing properly and need to look away from the monitor once every minute or so for focus to keep eye strain at a minimum.

[@naththoau]

Refresh rate slight brightness dip is common across all any oled panel type. First OLED has 60hz then it improved to 120 hz then higher nowadays. Few people maybe be sensitive to it unfortunately. It's not as severe as pwm on all mobile device with OLED though. If Vrr is on or motion pro, try disable it. These may causes to flicker more than usual.

[@brokeboi5463]

Kind of triggered me when he said allegedly. It's obviously from the flickering. It's the same with the ulmb and strobing technology. Anytime you have sporadic or inconsistent light distribution it can cause a headache or a seizure. It's more noticeable for some people than others.

[@legolas0029]

i had one, no way i will buy another qd oled, i was sensitive to light for 5 days and my eyes were burning.

[@RomixV]

I started having a headache, not even a headache, but an eye one, because I used to use laptop display with higher ppi. The fancy display is 4K on a laptop at 16 inches. And after buying mpg qrx 1440p , I was disappointed in pixel structure - color fringes everywhere Might be the vrr flicker also

[@_andreas_]

The oversaturated colors from QD displays makes everything look a bit flat/up-close, which can be visually straining. Especially, if you wear glasses, which already creates a degree of perspective distortion. RGB emulation/clamp should fix it. Or switching to contacts might work too. Blue light can help to either prevent strain or aggravate it, depending on your precondition. I recommend using a infrared lamp in the morning and evening.

[@DoomHydra]

Who can can even use wide gauntlet on sdr mode? The colors are crazy oversaturated

[@DrakonR]

It's PWM flicker.

[@_andreas_]

​@@DrakonR Not exactly PWM flicker, but the brightness oscillation/dip (refresh rate) can become too sharp with faster pixel response times. Higher contrast levels makes it more pronounced as well. This is a bit of an issue on all faster panels, though. Khz refresh rates will probably restore perfect comfort, which shouldn't be that far away.

[@DrakonR]

@@_andreas_ it's recognized as PWM even if it's "technically" different. It's still flicker. It's an issue on OLED specifically. Speculating on contrast and pixel response times is ridiculous when it's well documented otherwise.

[@EverTechReviews]

I got headaches from qd oled, but I chalk this up to the reflections on the screen causing the strain

[@kostistsiutras4373]

a good thing to check too is if said ppl before their new 360hz Oled were gaming on their 144-165hz monitor... took my brain literally about 4 days to adjust to such faster and more information at these fps / hz, so i can see new oled tech + hz difference that is if your Pc actually caps out your monitor endin up to these complains.

[@rickgear2579]

I am having a headache of a different type: Random black screens on my Alienware 4K 240Hz QD-OLED. They just started happening out of nowhere. It would always happen when starting a game like Elden Ring in fullscreen mode, but now it happens in windows and usually happens when a video plays on a website. It's gotten really bad. It used to happen once in a bluemoon, but now Windows is more or less unuseable. nvidia really needs to fix this issue. It's unacceptable

[@nimaahmadi-s7o]

NGL I had to return mine because of the headaches. I thought it was just me LOL

[@CHEW4KAH]

If you had to choose between the Gigabyte FO27Q3 and the MSI MPG 271QRX, which would you choose? I want one of the two but I'm undecided, I would greatly appreciate an answer, thank you.

[@jaredbat11]

Whichever one is cheaper really. Both are great tech and you would be just as happy with either. I have the MSI and its fantastic!

[@stevesutton772]

Trusting my eyesight and neurological health to the youtube shill with goofy salesman voice that my eyes just need to exercise.

[@David-ln8qh]

This was a really off-putting video.

[@leeuniverse]

I don't think it's Q-OLED that's the issue.... I think it's the 32 INCH SCREEN's plus the OLED. I've never understood why 32 Inch are the standard, most standard Desk sitting positions are about 2-3 Feet from the Monitor, and 27 inch is well-documented to be the ideal size for that distance. You're also looking at TEXT that is poor quality, which will cause eye-strain. There are likely other things, Flicker, and all those Colors just isn't "natural". There's such a thing as "too much" of a good thing.

[@razben1476]

Beautiful Arya Organic, having a lot of fun with them on my tubes as well, great vid and great content

[@HP4L16]

OLED Stutter is likely the cause of eye stain and headaches, it can also be caused by PWM which affects not only OLED but some other monitors too. As for QD-OLED vs WOLED I don't think there is any difference other than WOLED having worse text clarity which gets even worse at lower resolutions. So just for that and worse color saturation and washed out colors at higher brightness along with black crushing issues I wouldn't recommend WOLED as a monitor to anyone.

[@hobosnake1]

Lots of people avoided Samsung phones due to pwm headaches for a while. I think that's not an issue on their phones anymore, but I do remember hearing a friend say he had to go back to iphone for this reason. So many different display quirks and people with different biology.

[@endx9]

They probably just have their monitor brightness set too high, this is why I like monitors where you have full control over HDR and can adjust its brightness. There are anti-blue light glasses which also cut down on glare etc. Get some Gunnar's, they do actually work, I use em.

[@GrimReaper_sGhost]

The problem with this is there are a lot of neurotic people out there who will now start getting headaches just because they subconsciously know QD is rumored to cause them.

[@ruiner3137]

I am prone to migraines. My QD OLED does for sure strain my eyes more, especially when blasting HDR, and that can trigger my migraines. Ive A/B tested between my old IPS and QD and the OLED does induce eye strain more easily. Not a deal breaker. I just take more frequent breaks and have bright bias lighting behind my monitor and I'm usually fine.

[@ruiner3137]

Also not saying it's like this for everyone. I also got more used to it as time went on. I was actually considering returning it the first week, but it got more bearable.

[@mosey4650]

I'm guessing it is not QD OLED, flicker related. Way back when i tried backlight strobing for the first time on an LCD, my eyes felt SO strained right away, it was wild. Motion sure looked great though.

[@VidRaza]

This is the depth effect that they are not used to. The movement, depth of objects and colors highlighted by this technology make users dizzy when they come from “two-dimensional” LCD panels. The blue LED causes eye fatigue, not necessarily dizziness/nausea.

[@HardwareFan]

Same Problem with eye Problems after Long use Msi 32 Inch 4K qd-oled.

[@MrEggyman99]

Huh, I've had frequent bad headaches the past week using my new PG32UCDP which is WOLED, and that's in it's standard 240hz mode with both 30% brightness and 60%

[@MrEggyman99]

My old monitor was an Acer Predator XB321HK, so the size and resolution isn't any different, and I doubt the higher refresh rate causes any ill effects, so I suspect it's something to do with the more intense colours and insane OLED contrast ratio that my eyes are adjusting to

[@StevoHDA]

it's not so much a filter as much as it is conversion from one wavelength (blue down to red) to another which is why it's much more efficient than woled which does use filters where efficiency drops to as low as 35% as opposed to close to 100% for qd oleds. woleds have caught up a lot with mla tech, however comparing the same videos in store with lots of different colors birds eye view sorta in the a city, qd oled was looking sharper and nicer coz of all that extra color information which does contribute to a lot of detail in a scene

[@obviouslee1949]

The biggest issue with QD-OLED monitors is the aggressive ABL when using HDR resulting in excessive dimming of big parts on the screen. I believe it's because the now-standard 3 year OLED monitor warranty does not exist within the TV industry and you have to buy it directly from the retailer, which is why Samsung TVs have had a much higher brightness ceiling than LG's.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@obviouslee1949 ABL is less in hdr since it is darker

[@coldsun1187]

I have one of these and haven't had any issues at all.

[@lukerestlessstudios]

I don’t have a QD-OLED, I have a WOLED TV (LG G2), and for me OLED causes me the LEAST eye strain or fatigue of any display ever. I won’t buy anything that isn’t self emissive ever again. The combination of contrast, color, realism, and comfort is amazing.

[@davidjohansson1416]

Anyone who had a crt would know u could get headaces for paying them too long. Either from flashing or screen being too bright after being dark. They could try to lower max brightness and turn on brightness uniformity.

[@meat_loves_wasabi]

Been using the PG32UCDM for few months… so far no problems.. maybe cause my specs have zeiss lens with blue light tech

[@dindjarinn2241]

It's not surprising, there are people who also compained about getting headache with Ipad Pro's tandem OLED

[@alMighty8989]

Dude I just bought the 2725DF and set everything up yesterday…. after 2h my eyes where like I have sand in it and my vision is like I can‘t look normal anymore… now I don‘t know what to do and what Monitor I should buy 😢😢😢

[@Dazzxp]

Well don't have a OLED, but a IPS screen and I find if blue light is on high(normal) it makes me more fatigued.

[@ehenningsen]

If been using QD-OLED for my TV and gaming setup for the last year. I have had no headaches from this

[@Henry-if9pu]

I came from a 42 inch to the 32 inch ucdm. Eyes hurt. Back of the eyes. Head ache. If not after the first hour. The next morning. My eyes hurt. It’s not the distance. I don’t think it’s the blue light. I am not sure if it’s the pixel layout or how it flickers generally compared to my woled. My eyes are maybe used to woled. I don’t want to go to the woled variant because the matte screen. But dang it man. I don’t know if my eyes willl get used to this. I know it is less fatiguing with vrr off. But I also hate that I have to do that.

[@DrakonR]

It's the PWM flicker.

[@Henry-if9pu]

@@DrakonR I don’t think that is correct.

[@DrakonR]

@@Henry-if9pu it's 100% correct. Not all OLEDs are equal though. I've found less sensitivity to LG WOLED TVs.

[@alvarg]

the headaches are caused by the infinite contrast, when you get a 32 inch screen that can have an extremely dark area next to a very bright area also when viewing in a darker room or with low ambient light, your pupils dilate to compensate for the dark room but can't adjust for the fast switches of dark to bright light on the screen. a similar effect happens when driving a car on a sunny day and driving under a lot of tree cover and the sun light rapidly flashes through.

[@veilmontTV]

i'm willing to bet it's because of the increased brightness. displays are far brighter than they used to be. i've noticed when i'm gaming in hdr on my aw3225qf that my eyes hurt after a few hours.

[@Skylancer727]

I think you're both wrong, it's probably purely from VRR flicker. Flickering lights are known to cause headaches full stop and OLED both WOLED and QD-OLED have this problem. But QD-OLED is more common for PC so VRR is used more on them. WOLED is used more for TVs and console gaming rarely utilizes VRR at all. Increased brightness could cause problems, but it's more likely to just cause dry eyes. Brighter images make people blink less which makes their eyes dry out more.

[@alvarg]

@@veilmontTV key word hdr it's going to be bright.

[@DrakonR]

It's not the contrast.. it's the PWM flicker..

[@veilmontTV]

@@DrakonR I only get headaches after hours of hdr gaming. Even with vrr turned off

[@exception6651]

I was getting headaches on my pg32udcm after I calibrated it. I went back to the 6500k preset and I’m absolutely fine. I think it must be reason ASUS calibrate them with slightly more red.

[@jameskillbot2867]

I also had headaches from the same monitor until I calibrated. I still get something going on, but drinking a beer makes it not noticeable.

[@MonderMatrix]

I have QD Oled Tv and i don't have any problem . and i agree with the point made in the video , that mybe some people are getting close to the monitor and causing eye fatigue .

[@roskanen7056]

how high is the emf near those things?

[@SP95]

You sound like scooby doo when you shout whhhuuuuutttt

[@nickzickYT]

14% of the people saying that get a headache using a monitor/tv is a huge red flag and should be taken seriously by developers/manufacturers/doctors imo. Even 1% should be enough to look into but yea.

[@drunkhusband6257]

It's more a red flag that a lot of people have eye issues that need addressed