Death By Syphilis: The Real Origins Of The Killer Infection | Syphilis Enigma | Absolute History

Where did syphilis actually come from? An old theory suggests that indigenous people of South America may have given it to the first European colonists who followed Columbus, but is there another explanation?
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[@dragonqueenarts]

There is a really high pitched whine (like when it comes from a tv) in many different parts of this video. I’m not sure if it’s my phone speakers that can’t handle whatever output it is, or if it’s actually there, but could you please have someone review the sound who can hear high pitches? Sorry to bother.

[@echodiantha2325]

OK.. but... this is not on History Hit. Got the free trial last night and very disappointed that a lot of the content hasn't been brought over.

[@margaretlouise6200]

I've tried 2 times separated by weeks to subscribe and both times the start button wouldn't work. There was nothing noted to be corrected and all info was correct. ???

[@morsecode9787]

3000 BC. SYPHILIS ORIGINATED SOUTHWEST ASIA. .. THEN BROUGHT INTO EUROPE . THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE Columbus BROUGHT HIS. RASHEY. BURNER HOT DOG TO CARIBBEAN.

[@morsecode9787]

APPRECIATE I SKIPPED. OVER TO 35:OO.. DONT EVEN TEY TO PUT IT ON AFRICA . CAME FROM SW. ASIA !! TO EUROPE. PERIOD . HOW. I OLD IS THS BULL FUNGUS...

[@ccd230]

The background music is syphilis for the ears... 😬

[@elizabethhaines4416]

🎶🤔😩😂

[@Erika999L]

Exactlyyyyy what I was gna say!!

[@chincemagnet]

Yes, thank you for describing it so precisely

[@alvomac4]

LMAOOOOOO

[@basedandbiased]

Nailed it.

[@elizabethvandyke9475]

My sister worked in a home for the elderly in the 1960's. She told me that old ladies were dying from syphilis they got from their husbands and were too embarrassed to seek treatment.

[@sandrakoch8682]

My grandmother divorced her first husband because he came home to her wanting sex and she noticed that he had it. That was back around 1940 to 1945. I'm not sure what year. This was in the port of Los Angeles, California.

[@kellikelli4413]

I've heard their STDs are bc they were being raped by the mail staff at the nursing homes. Many lawsuits attest to that fact...

[@gregverity9533]

I wonder why?

[@TruthTroubadour-xi9cc]

That's really sad! If I were their doctor, I would have just treated them with antibiotics.

[@happybergner9832]

Sad.

[@GabeReptar]

This is so eye opening & informative. A very shameful story I'd like to share; Last summer in 2022 I met a fella in his mid 40's, he was absolutely charming & such a gentleman at first, he told me he was 30 yrs old. He asked me to come stay with him after a few weeks of spending time together. I was liking him a lot. One night he bought drinks & literally forced himself on me. The next few days, I started noticing bump inflammations like a mosquito bite or bed bug bite. I brushed it off as some insect bite during the hot summer days... But I soon realized I got another inflaming bump... As I slept, I was scratching these bumps... After the 3rd bump on my arm, I started getting worried & nervous about what it was... I did question the scars on his buttocks but he informed me they were scars he described as "bed sores" cause he was always working on jewelry & sitting for so long. I believed him. I finally got him to take me to the hospital, cause now I have 3 inflamed bumps that were developing white pust. The Doctor informed me it was syphilis. I was devastated, ashamed & embarrassed 😔😞 they instantly gave me a shot of penicillin & antibiotic medication. I was so frustrated, upset & appalled how this guy wasn't being honest with me. I informed him the Doctors said I contracted syphilis! Again, he denied it was from him, so I ended that relationship. I'm still ashamed & embarrassed but I have nobody else to blame but myself. I'm greatly disappointed in the choices I made. A lesson learned the hard way. You cannot trust anyone.

[@dora_the_dstroya8424]

I'm very suspicious of your story. You used the word "shameful". Then I read on. Why use the word shameful if he forced himself on you? That's not something a victim would say. I think what happened is you slept with the guy, didn't use protection, and thought everything was great, until you got the disease. And your so ashamed you laid up with some random guy, who also had the disease, you are pitching it as if he forced himself on you because, as you put it you feel "shame". That story makes more sense. And I bet you never pressed charges. If a man forces himself on my, I'm calling the law. Sorry I think your doing what so many me too woman do, lie.

[@austynwalters9302]

@@dora_the_dstroya8424 are you the man she’s talking about wtf is wrong with you???

[@ddgamer1836]

​@@dora_the_dstroya8424 You're obviously someone with something to hide... someone shares their story, and you immediately become suspicious, almost curiously defensive... Why? How about you worry about yourself, and if not just your physical self, but mental self... It's obvious you have some MAJOR issues to be reacting how you are...

[@terciopello]

​@@dora_the_dstroya8424you don't know what truly happened there, you don't know the whole story yet you blame the possible victim. Some victims of rape can still be ashamed, they may as well use the word "shameful". So maybe just don't accuse the woman of lying?

[@emelieallred9425]

Oh no! Please don't shame yourself that was definitely his fault and thinking that it was you will only leave you feeling less happy with yourself. I'm sorry that happened but nothing that happened was your fault

[@karencaring3356]

My mom was a nurse in the Royal Canadian Air Force in WWII. She told me the most distressing ward she worked on was the one with soldiers dying from syphilis when it infected their brains.

[@MrCrowebobby]

Not denying you, but I always though insanity, etc., only came on years later.

[@ddgamer1836]

​@@MrCrowebobby. That's why they say ignorance is bliss

[@MrCrowebobby]

@@ddgamer1836 Syphilis is a sexually transmitted infection (STI) that has been around for centuries, but cases are increasing: In 2020, there were more than 130,000 new cases in the United States. After syphilis is contracted, it goes through four stages: primary, secondary, latent, and tertiary. Tertiary syphilis is very serious and would occur 10-30 years after your infection began. In tertiary syphilis, the disease damages your internal organs and can result in death.

[@chiefswife1212]

That's what they get, not having sex won't kill you!!

[@MrCrowebobby]

@@chiefswife1212 It can make life hardly worth living.

[@teritrujillo6042]

I lived in Las Vegas in the early nineties. Had a neighbor who was an older guy with a younger wife and kids. Genius mechanic. Suddenly he began to act like he was losing his mind. He was doing strange stuff and would talk incoherently. No one knew what to think. His wife told me later that he had end stage syphilis traced back to when he was in Vietnam. By the time he'd gotten with her, he was no longer contagious so she and the kids didn't get it. Very scary to watch.

[@madhatter909]

woah!!!!

[@michaelmcgillivray1624]

Al Capone had this type of syphilis and it is surmised that part of his extreme violence before he was sent to prison was a result of the disease on his brain.

[@kimidrak3455]

Yes ...many famous ppl in history were said to of been insane from syphilis..including the Royals

[@kathyp760]

My Dad who was born in 1917 one of his uncles ran a brothel out of his home in Northern Michigan he told it once the story that his Uncle and another uncle " died from the syph"

[@lunam7249]

Lots of disease are like that....

[@ezeakiodarmey9448]

The sound guy REALLY wanted to make a paranormal documentary and it shows

[@mejae8829]

Ha ha! Yes he did😊. Its still a great informative video.

[@munchey99508]

😂😂

[@govindagovindaji4662]

ha ha, true that, but I liked that part.

[@Blackkittiesrule]

This video is more scary than any paranormal videos I’ve ever seen lol 😂 ugh 😩😳😰

[@DatGreenMonstah]

The sound design guy really going ham on this

[@royceroyce7715]

"you think that facts are gonna change my mind?" Bro that's so deep and scientific 🙄 I'm glad someone had to confront you on camera with the radiocarbon dating info, photos, and specific examples of historic European syphilis before you remotely let go of your pet hypothesis for 12 seconds, damn

[@valerieavellanet5204]

I thought the same thing. What a ridiculous thing to say. His mind is closed, no need to confront with facts

[@sethstewart9704]

I thought it was pretty clear sarcasm.

[@seivernoname-tz9uh]

I'm literally autistic and could tell he was joking.

[@mannyg9059]

Adam Henry, pick up your crayons and go.

[@sloopy5191]

Does anyone else feel creeped out by them not wearing gloves when handling these artifacts?

[@nunpho]

Why?

[@samaranightshade4077]

Yes. Not only because of the skeleton themselves but because they had a nasty disease that affected the skeleton.

[@Cujucuyo]

@@samaranightshade4077 They've been dead for over 500 years... Also, bacterial STI's like Syphilis cannot survive outside the environment of mucous membranes in the body, let alone 500+ years.

[@samaranightshade4077]

@@Cujucuyo I understand. Thank you for that.

[@michele0333ify]

Yes first thing I noticed I wrote no gloves really ?????

[@getreal4real169]

This reminds me of the Tuskegee study that went on for 40 years that involved African American men. They didn’t get treatment even though penicillin was available to treat them. The study was to assess the long term effects of not treating the disease. This was horrible.

[@lauravintson7753]

😥

[@DeniseS328]

😢😢😡😡😡😡

[@BoobyTrap8]

That's so awful. Those poor men :(

[@Brittany-fx7yz]

Iv heard about that! Human beings have done some pretty horrific things to each other 💔

[@tinkerbeldavis6087]

And still no results

[@ondriawilson7654]

In school we are taught that syphillis was brought to America by early Europeans… not that the native gave it to the Europeans. It’s cited as one of the main reasons the native population declined so greatly and quickly… is it different in British textbooks?

[@NickNick-tp5cr]

I'm British and I was taught Europeans introduced many diseases to the new world, including syphilis.

[@laurafloyd6554]

When I first started my nursing career, one of my patients was a man in his 60's with syphilis. So sad. He had gotten it years ago.

[@MegCazalet]

I have rheumatoid arthritis. Considering the pain I experience, looking at these bones, with actual holes in them, I cannot imagine their excruciating suffering.

[@amber2508]

Same here regarding RA. I just cannot fathom what they must have experienced pain wise.

[@MegCazalet]

@@amber2508 I’m sorry we’re RA buddies 😞Stay strong!💪

[@Mr.EmeraldTheGreen]

I know how you feel. I have fibromyalgia, and as I was sitting here, watching this, my lower back and hips are screaming with pain. I was thinking the same thing you were, that how awful their pain must have been. Especially when the narrator said, “ ....the laceration of the male organ” ughhhh, made me shutter 🤢 . It’s amazing and creepy as phuck how the syphilis bacteria can think “I’m not getting around these hosts, so I had better mutate into a sexual transmitted disorder in order to survive” 😖

[@kimberlybaldridge5767]

I have ankylosing spondylitis and even dull bone aches are enough to change my entire day and mood. These people must have been in absolute agony.

[@codybarry8204]

I cannot imagine. I have RA from some issues with other things was going on . Blood is like engine oil to a car. Once that's dirty it can continue to affect anything. Without clean blood it seeps into the bones. But they aren't going to treat you because you know . They mostly men. Burned women at the stake.

[@nathanjohnwade2289]

For centuries, if not millennia, the term "leprosy" (or the equivalent) was used to refer to a number of diseases. Thus, its entirely possible that syphilis was lumped into this category.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

This documentary is outdated and scientist have since long debunked it. The lessions of those skeletons were revealed to not be syphillis related, and the smoking barrel is modern Phylogenetic studies that keep indicating that syphilis emerged in the Americas since Treponema spp. evolutionary rates are compatible with pre-Columbian times and no evidence for European strains prior to the syphilis pandemic there have been detected. There is just more evidence showing that it came from pre Columbia America when it boils down, and most scientists in the field have come to this conclusion. Yet this documentary still starts by saying "the true story of syphillis" lol..

[@mariaperales5084]

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[@nathanjohnwade2289]

@@mariaperales5084 ???

[@erin1840]

Well written. 🙃✌️❤️

[@Coco-zj3ut]

They are very similar pathogens.

[@Seeker12x12]

Growing up in East Yorkshire and having spent the first half of my life in and around the city of Hull, this news comes as absolutely no surprise whatsoever.

[@heidi1224]

I did a paper on syphilis for a college class back in 1979. As I recall, the sources I used couldn't pinpoint the place of origen for the disease. However, it did say that everybody blamed everyone else for it. I suspect that the practice of slavery also served to spread it. Conquered people were often sold at the block in many ports. There were places where a man was allowed multiple women as a norm in society. I don't recall Native Americans being named as the only source.

[@andrealfarrow6726]

thank you for being informative here. I figured where it came from couldn't be pinpointed. Sometimes people want to know what they cannot know so they do assume...The whole understanding of the historical facts on here are seeming not facts though they sound confident.

[@William.Shakespeare]

my best friends husband gave her this on their wedding night . all class that fellow.

[@kimbella1452]

​@@andrealfarrow6726It came from the white men who claimed to have found 🇺🇸

[@bunch_o_racket]

​@@kimbella1452this i believe

[@p4our587]

Given Americans immune system being so weak… it didn't come from the Americas… PERIOD!

[@Brittany-fx7yz]

I remember learning in school YEARS AGO that the Europeans are the ones who gave it to the natives, along with small pox & lots of other gnarly diseases 🤷‍♀️

[@muddyhotdog4103]

Small pox yes, but this documentary/theory has long been debunked by scientists. The lessions of those skeletons pre columbian were revealed to not be syphillis related, and the smoking barrel is modern Phylogenetic studies that keep indicating that syphilis emerged in the Americas since Treponema spp. evolutionary rates are compatible with pre-Columbian times and no evidence for European strains prior to the syphilis pandemic there have been detected. There is just more evidence showing that it came from pre Columbia America when it boils down, and most scientists in the field have come to this conclusion. Yet this documentary still starts by saying "the true story of syphillis" lol.. I mean they literally just mapped the syphillis genome a few years ago showing that it's just impossible and should be a nail in the coffin. And child skeleton bone with syphillis? Hmm, funny cuz it takes decades in an adult before this even occurs (besides the teeth on syphilis born children, but they showed it on their actual bones). You can look all this up for yourself, I tried to link info for you but it wouldn't let me cuz of youtube policies these days. The monks were also shown to be dated wrong and were buried long after columbus. Something about the shellfish/sea creature diet messes with carbon dating.

[@richardmorris7206]

Right on!

[@chrislollich525]

Thank you for your comment.

[@sphereslip]

true dat

[@macmcc4651]

Europeans raped the natives on mass.

[@margaretlouise6200]

One can only cringe at the pain for the syphilitic person from inflammation, infection, swelling, erosion of bone, nerve damage, etc. And though the organs have disappeared and all we have left is ravaged bone, all the organs, the nervous system and the circulatory system must have been riddled with painful lesions. It really was a horrible disease.

[@saragrant9749]

It still is in many places around the world unfortunately.

[@goldenyarn7892]

Not WAS but is STILL a horrible disease to get. There were over 100,000 cases of all stages reported only 2 years ago so goodness knows what it is now. Sure not much better. It’s just not in our faces that much because it’s curable and I’m sure is caught long before it’s gets to the point where its causing visible trauma. I’d hope they’d have figured out a viable treatment otherwise Tuskegee and whatever other involuntary experiments would be in vain.

[@juliemarkham4332]

Why suggest the friars were un-celibate and corrupt? The friars sold grave plots and cared for the sick. The skeletons with signs of syphilis don't prove they were friars.

[@saragrant9749]

@@juliemarkham4332 if you hear the story about the friars- they sold grace plots, yes. Certain areas cost more, because they supposedly brought a person closer to God… even though scripture (even from those days) spoke otherwise. Those friars were capitalists, folk who saw the money that could be made. Its not an out of this world hypothesis to say they weren’t celibate either. Corruption takes many- and often varied- forms.

[@margaretlouise6200]

@@juliemarkham4332 Did I suggest that?

[@ericvosselmans5657]

I contracted syphilis 10 years ago. Thank god for modern day medicine! The cure hurts like few other pains I have felt.

[@terremoto6663]

Where did you contract it

[@jessicahetterick352]

What is this cure that is painful?

[@ericvosselmans5657]

@@jessicahetterick352 2 shots of some medicine. 1 in each buttock I had to lie down for 20 minutes. Incapicatating pain. After that it was ok

[@ericvosselmans5657]

@@terremoto6663 random promiscuity

[@that_bloke_kiri]

@@ericvosselmans5657 LOL, the brutal honesty, glad you got through and survived

[@davecummings3335]

She said she was looking at a skeleton of a male aged 25 to 35 and then at around the 27-minute mark says bone lesions don't show up for up to 50 years. If that is the case, the person whose skeleton she is examining would most likely have been born with it. This does not indicate Friar shagging.

[@loryndabenson2118]

That's what I was thinking. That or he was already sick with some other disease that allowed syphilis to progress very quickly. Also carbon dating the wood on the coffin wouldn't tell us the whole truth as it would only tell us the age of the tree that was used, not the coffin itself.

[@kellicat6352]

What a sad disease. Can you imagine the suffering. No one deserves this. What about the innocent wife that gets it from her husband then gives it to her children. Innocents suffering. Heartbreaking.

[@cakedUraniumMuffin]

The 40 year Tuskegee study should give you an idea of how the untreated disease affected families through maternal-neonatal transmission.

[@sboloshis1188]

Or a husband getting it from his unfaithful wife who already gave it to her kids.

[@maryb8150]

Like the cruel experiment that was run for years on black men in Tuskegee that had syphilis and were never treated.

[@leemaliaman7517]

@@cakedUraniumMuffin , and no one was convicted for the Tuskegee Syphylis Studies on African Americans, it seems. But if you believed this and spoke out about it, you would be branded as a "Conspiracy Theorist." 🙄

[@marcomustang876]

Yes some do deserve it - the ones who kidnapped / raped the women / murdered and maimed / spread smallpox on purpose / killed off millions of Buffalo in the states knowing it's a major major food source for the native braces / women and babies ...so yes the devil's rejects deserve it 😈

[@drcthru7672]

Secondary syphilis(skin rash)can be transmitted by contact without sex. I found this out as a medical student when sone of my colleagues examined a patient with extensive rash, notably on his palms. It turned out to be syphilis and they had to be given penicillin intramuscularly. I had not touched him!

[@blackmonday738]

That's as scarey as T.B, which is probably the newer Covid. Which it's here to stay, and i stay clear from ppl as i can get. I still will wear my mask and avoid things i never use to.

[@theirmom4723]

so...is it possible that this Mon-key rash we are being warned about is possibly Syphilis? Makes you go hmmm

[@drcthru7672]

@@theirmom4723 No

[@fabledfantasty7343]

Oh that's just great.....another infection that I gotta worry about catching, just by being out in public.

[@drcthru7672]

@@fabledfantasty7343 Life's a bitch!

[@kr1s3hh]

My kids father gave me syphilis and I didn't know for a while ..I went to doctors who didn't give me any blood tests so it never came up..I got a rash all over my stomach, sores in my mouth, and elsewhere. Got sick thought it was strep throat at first. I googled the symptoms and syphilis came up. I was in the second stage .had 2 rouds of treatment.

[@AROSFC]

get well soon.

[@saragrant9749]

I’m just glad you had the opportunity to get effective treatment.

[@kr1s3hh]

@saragrant9749 me too, thanks so much !

[@lei7414]

that sounds horrible I hope you're alright now

[@Pou1gie1]

@33:30 George embodies the saying "When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail." He can't see outside his own perspective.

[@tomcooper6108]

George's own work goes to Hell if it were true syphilis didn't start w the Native Americans. Of course he's gonna say no until he's 99.

[@rositaalonzo6909]

In a pool everybody got skin rash, and a young boy got eye infetion that cost him one eye, the tests revealed sifilis, someone sick entered the small family pool and infected all, the only difference was that by this time it was freely available penicillin injection of 2,000,000 units, but one eyes could not heal. This happened in Paraguay in 1975 and I was the one who was called to treat all with penicillin shots paid by the owner of the pool, I graduated as Rural Nurse in 1976.

[@katelynnwoods]

Wow

[@myswanktrendz]

How was it water borne? I thought you needed personal contact?

[@Angel200929]

Was the injections available in 1973 ? As my grans brother died 1974 age 54 of Neuro - Syphilis Cause of death 1+ (a) Genito urinary infection + (b) incontinence + (c) II Neuro - Syphilis Old cerebro- Vascular accident - means stroke which could have been un diagnosed sleep apnea, **Separate as I was only diagnosed with sleep apnea 14 august 2019

[@rositaalonzo6909]

@@Angel200929 In Paraguay, South America, when I was nursing student in 1973, pennicillin can be buy from Pharmacy just asking, to make extra money to support myself y had my little black doctor look alike bag with 2 set of siringes, my box, my alcohol, one rectify 91% for desinfecting and anothe bottle with regular alcohol to heat and boil my siringes and needles, and I always carry 2-3 bottles of pennicillin, my customers- patients were mostly prostitutes and gay gays, WHy they choose me? as Seventh-day Christian I respected them as God's property, share the Bible and pray for them and keep their secret, trying to show them a better way of living, and pennicillin was very available; I was a doing this from age 15 I think when my grandpa who was a former Pharmacist technician and teacher could not do it anymore due to rematoid arthritis that deformed his hands, so he show me how to do, where to put the shots to avoid nerves or arteries and to be painless, and that was the main reason they look for me: NOT PAINFUL SHOT, plus I recommend to wash themselves with DG6, a powerful wash-desinfectant that we used with burned people: I am a RURAL NURSE, not equivalent here, others nurses are trained to work in hospitals and to be doctors right hands in surgery, I was trained to go to the country to vaccinate, give first aid and check if there where people sick with contagious diseases or have malaria. Off course I went forming part of a team prepared by the ministry of Health with last years students from the medical field and veterinary, so we went to vaccinate from humans to cats and dogs and check cow feet, horses and any ailment they could have, from there people were referred to go for further treatment, children cannot enter school without 2 documents: birth certificate and the Health book with record of vaccines and parasites treatment, we provided both, since we had always two or three people from VITAL RECORDS, because a witness is required for late birth certificates.

[@rositaalonzo6909]

@John Smith It could kill bacteria, but they need to check the pool waters every few hours, but people with home pools are not that strict with the test, and how to know how they keep that pool, by the way, if the pool have that smell of chlorine very strong, IT IS BECAUSE SOMEONE PEED ON THE POOL AND THE ammonia of the urine is reacting with the chlorine, and if you suffer from asthma it could trigger a reaction. A clean urine free pool do not have chlorine smell much.

[@Roxanne821]

This unlocked a new fear. This might be the scariest disease in my opinion.

[@kepigal]

I think you're forgetting about AIDS

[@francinejones2524]

What about gonorrhoea.

[@simon_a.j.7255]

Rabies is scarier

[@sarahsouer213]

My great grandfather contracted it and died in a mental hospital back in the 30s

[@a_diamond]

On drinking alcohol in the middle ages, keep in mind that water wasn't clean and safe to drink. So alcohol including relatively weak versions were very common drinks.

[@searchindex3438]

correct …there were all kinds of nutritional issues that can cause bones to demineralize

[@kirakaffee9976]

wine has wisdom, beer has freedom, water has bacteria.

[@dianaangell3348]

But don't they need water to make the alcohol?

[@angelwingz892]

​@dianaangell3348 the water was boiled and filtered during the process of making alcohol.

[@NickNick-tp5cr]

The alcohol kills any bacteria in contaminated water. The general population drank beer for the same reason.

[@brendacook6576]

My mother told me that my great aunt had Syphilis in the 1920’s. A doctor gave her shots which he said would either cure her or kill her. She survived. I am assuming that these shots contained arsenic or mercury, both of which were used before the discovery of penicillin.

[@randalljackson4574]

yes one of, if not the very, first antimicrobial drug (pre modern antibiotics) was Salvarsan in the very early 20th century, which had arsenic as its main active ingredient. It did often work, but at a terrible cost to future health.

[@JudgeJulieLit]

@@randalljackson4574 So did mercury, which deranges the central nervous system.

[@randalljackson4574]

@@JudgeJulieLit The mercury treatments were pre-Salvarsan and yes were even worse.

[@JudgeJulieLit]

@@randalljackson4574 Mercury a/k/a "quicksilver."

[@nicoletheresa6654]

Or the other option is the disease can go completely dormant. And stay like that permanently. Very weird virus.

[@sophiebeeart874]

Did he literally just say “civilization means syphilization” I CANNOT

[@sophiebeeart874]

46:24

[@IyamSoRaya]

😂😂

[@Somelady464]

Watching this with my husband and he says while chuckling, “we know what he was doing to get it on his face that bad!” Yes, he understands most things in a simple way

[@kneebone7007]

Guys like that George are the exact reason why it takes forever for mysteries like this to be solved-he’s unwilling to humor any evidence that doesn’t directly confirm his own preconceived ideas

[@lelandsmith2320]

In an atmosphere of political correctness one needs to be careful of political fads. A considerable body of new evidence needs to be built up before you successfully challenge old theories.

[@TheObscureRambler]

@@lelandsmith2320 he's been featured in other media as well, after archaeologists found syphilis-sign skeletal remains of the CLASSICAL (Greco-Roman and onward era) period, as just doggedly not believing the evidence. (If I recall correctly. First time seeing this, I was struck by how much of a stubborn, racist know-it-all he seemed and dug deeper.) Kneebone7007 has an excellent point. Historically valid. There are ALWAYS men like this who become obsessively convinced they are right and everyone else is wrong and *beep* all could ever convince them otherwise.

[@freyawilcox8248]

The way that he was reacting to the new evidence and even the woman presenting it was so wanky. Surely as a man of science he would be excited and intrigued and not feel the need to protect his pride because changing your views when you have new information is part of the scientific process! I understand that more evidence is required to back a new theory, but his near religious faith when it comes to the Columbus theory was very messy to watch. Definitely said a lot to me about the nature of UK vs US education and academia; as an Australian who has been in the US most of my adult life, I'm not at all surprised. At least he made himself look rigid and lacking in scientific curiosity and noone had to do it for him 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@shirleymental4189]

Remember, this program was made by channel 4 and they won't let any theory get in the way of their idea of 'bad European' verses 'noble savage'.

[@saragrant9749]

@@freyawilcox8248unfortunately people like him run rampant through the historian brethren, people so filled with self righteous arrogance that they cannot even accept anything that contradicts their beliefs. In all honesty he doesn’t even deserve to call himself a historian or archaeologist as his mind is too filled with nonsense and bias to see reality.

[@patstokes7040]

When I was about 19 in 1969 I had my first apartment in a subdivided out house. One of the other renters had gone insane had had not taken his garbage out for a very long time. He saved frozen orange juice can, and cereal boxes. One day he tried to burn it up in his sink. Found out that the guy had Syphilis and had never gotten it treated. Insanity is one of the affects of having the disease. Back in the 1960 when free love was becoming the next big thing, all those diseases had a resurgence. AIDS didn't start until 1980.

[@patrickstockton2091]

Yeah, and they had to deal with "bull-head" Clap in nam...

[@user-vh7ks8px3s]

One of many reasons why promiscuity is bad for individuals and society alike.

[@violakears]

Aids started before 1980

[@louisebotos7321]

@@violakears never been isolated or identified

[@lorellgingrich6603]

@@violakears yes, possibly back to 1959

[@Julieherendi4321]

The background music is so loud, that some of the time I can not hear what the Person is saying. It is a very sad story, but it is very sad for the loud music too. 😮😢😮😢💔😱😱😫😭

[@ethelnewberry151]

I agree & second your thoughts regarding the music.

[@watchmanneil52776]

I had a run-in with one of the Rhea sisters during my tour in SEA. Got back to The World and a friend of mine sister-in-law had the big 'S' and she looked absolutely wretched!

[@karendubois3284]

As a former STD clinic nurse I was taught that the initial sore is painess with clearly demarcated borders- sort of the way a deep cigarette burn would look. If a partner, or even the friars who cared for the ill, touched the lesion they would become infected. "You touch it, you own it" . Oral sex can cause the primary lesion to apear on the face.

[@westzed23]

Also diseases change over time. The pubic lice developed from other lice because it survived better as humans became cleaner, and covered genitals were a lovely home for them.

[@cassieoz1702]

@@westzed23 yes, their description of secondary and tertiary syphilis doesn't according with modern cases

[@westzed23]

@Ben Avery Thanks for this info.

[@mikitz]

@Ben Avery It's a bit similar story to how HIV/AIDS was originally contracted back in the 1950's, as someone cut a dead, infected chimp. There are, however, alternative theories as to how it all happened...

[@jennoq1311]

I'm now interested in knowing more about our DNA history with body lice..

[@rogergdavis6605]

In the mid 70.s I was a Lab Tech at a large Clinic in Vegas. It was SOP to test all the new female pts, over 60 for Syphilis. The returning Vets sometimes brought home more than themselves. We did this quietly as you can imagine.

[@litneyloxan]

sad for the women :(

[@laurafernandez4512]

When I was on Active duty every time we arrived at a new duty station we were given a class by the community health nurse, who would show us a video on STDs, graphic pictures and explained to us that if we were to ever go to South Korea to be careful because there's something called Black Syphilis. If a service member contracted Black Syphilis they were not allowed to come back to the states??? Some soldiers who had been overseas confirmed it also, we used to hear stories from others that at the brothels black salt was put outside the steps of it signifying that I guess someone there had it???

[@joycegreene8600]

My uncle got it in Korea. He came back to the States..

[@patrickstockton2091]

Did you ever see someone with the "bullhead " clap?,Wow!

[@dianelipson5420]

This makes me miss actual doctors who gave a darn.

[@dharmon8798]

Damn, I've worked in the laboratory field and it was protocol to wear gloves at all times, plus face shields when dealing with specimens. Urine, blood, etc.

[@cyrillewis9606]

The soundtrack person is hilarious. The sound effects are over the top and magnificent Especially that "scream" 😅

[@jimfitzhugh6050]

I wonder if the syphilis wasn't transmitted through the repeated use of flails and whipping sticks. A contaminated object is capable of carrying it from one person to another.

[@SL-sd3sg]

Good point!

[@ArnoldusCyberius]

I think it was. But the whipping was and still is a taboo. It should have been researched for this episode of the programme. Anyone who has the time for it, can make that update.

[@amber2508]

That's a really good point and sounds totally plausible. I think you just solved the mystery.

[@Lorenamaysing]

I wondered that too. Maybe they weren't doing naughty things just didn't know how diseases spread. Also I thought about how they said the did charity work maybe there were ppl so bad off and they took them on to take care of.

[@SeasidePrincess]

Same thought!! And would children survive from parents with syphilis?

[@SierraThunder]

What they neither described or showed was "Gummitus". This is when advanced Syphilis begins dissolving the soft tissues of your body, I've seen cases of this where the sufferers literally had their nose eaten away, their lips gone, and fingers falling off. I've been told that by that time, a good deal of your nerves are gone so that you don't actually feel it anymore. We had to learn all of this in the medical corps of the military as part of our overseas training, and even in these days you can still find advanced cases of Syphilis here in the U.S.

[@TheFirstManticore]

Sounds like it could easily have been confused with leprosy, and may well have been diagnosed as such.

[@cattymajiv]

@@TheFirstManticore I thought the same thing too!

[@dierdriu]

Numbers are increasing in the US, again, too. Scarier still are the congenity syphilis rates. Thanks for sharing. I had never heard "gummitus"

[@SierraThunder]

​@@dierdriu The rates of Syphilis infections are increasing along with Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, Herpes Simplex II, Hepatitis C, and other STD's due to the rampant increase in casual, unprotected sex, AIDS cases are also on a glaringly perceptible climb, and the major fears of the CDC are the likelihood of viral mutation & antibiotic-resistant strains. Teenagers & young adults here in America are playing a game of "Polish Roulette", (5 loaded chambers with 1 empty chamber), with both their bodies & lives, they seem to be under the delusional thinking that, "Oh, that can't possibly happen to me." They all seem to wear the horrifying numbers of both the numbers of sexual encounters & the numbers of multiple partners as though it's something to be proud of, and they aren't protecting themselves in even any basic way, especially abandoning the use of condoms. They all ignore the plain simple fact that there are STD's out there that once you've contracted them, you can't get rid of them, and several different infections are not only fatal, but extremely & agonizingly painful. This is just one of the reasons why I became voluntarily celibate 12 years ago when i was in my late 40's, the loss of my life in trade for a couple of hours of physical pleasure just wasn't worth it anymore. "F*cking someone to death" has taken on a whole new meaning, it's become a horribly assured outcome, and I still have lots of enjoyable things that I want to do.

[@William.Shakespeare]

I've seen it , I remember when wigs came into fashion in parliament and court so the judges and wealthy men would be above reproach .

[@MrCrowebobby]

I contracted syphilis in a sauna in Copenhagen in 1968. Thank God I caught it in time and spent 9 months in treatment when I got back to Paris; don't ask me why it took so long, I don't know, I'm just glad it was completely cured. I didn't get AIDS though I remained active and never wore a condom in my life. I'm 86 now and very healthy for my age. (Fingers crossed.) I almost missed recognizing the syphilis because many of the symptoms were similar to things I already had . . . depression, ect.

[@arunsathiya1330]

What was the initial symptoms ? May I know please

[@MrCrowebobby]

@@arunsathiya1330 Look it up on Google, there are many and they may be different for women. There must be free clinics for venereal diseases in your country. Don't take any chances, as once the symptoms go away that's when the real dangers starts. Best of luck. Don't be embarrassed, they handle this every day

[@MrCrowebobby]

@@arunsathiya1330 P.S. Don't know why I assumed you were female. A sore can be one of the symptoms on the penis or in the anus. Also a really deep depression, where everything seems just as black as can be. But look it up on Google.

[@MrCrowebobby]

@@arunsathiya1330 A sore in my rectum, as I got it through anal sex. (That felt like hemorrhoids.). And really terrible depression, which I tended to have anyway, but this was really awful. Severe gastritis can feel very similar.

[@mariastutz8244]

That man is so arrogant. He would not even let her finish her sentence. He even had the audacity to try and put words into her mouth that she had even not said. Unfortunately, some people want to be right at all costs. Keep looking for evidence. It's there. And this guy will have to admit to himself. I doubt that he would ever publicly say it, remember he has to save face

[@saragrant9749]

I’m with you there 100%. I’m a historian (just informal as I simply love to study the subject), and have run into countless pompous, arrogant sods like him. Unfortunately, there a great number of historians and scientists who are like that. They are full of self importance and self righteousness. I’d have loved to have seen the look on his face when it was proven that Syphilis existed in Western Europe and Asia long before Columbus went to the new world.

[@spudgn]

The earliest case of syphilis was found in a pair of twin children buried in a warehouse in Herculaneum. Ancient Rome had this plague.

[@Thunor93]

I was just about to comment this, but yeah, there are older cases of syphilis in Europe then the 1300's ad.

[@scottnorris5728]

I suspected so. This filth is straight from Rome. Genoa,as well.

[@carolnichols2869]

So who was doing the kids? Some things don't change.

[@spudgn]

Infected perinatal as most stds can be passed from mother to child. Find the history channel video on the bodies found under the pyroclastic flows of Vesuvius

[@carriere888]

@@carolnichols2869 can be spread from child to mother during pregnancy

[@lumu76]

Sound effects are over the top on this one.

[@bogbody9952]

I really don't know WWWHHHAAAAAA why you think that. It's normal GGLLLAAASSSHH for people to make some noise when FFFUUUCCCCKKKKGGGGOOOODD they pee and it hurts

[@lexy4154]

31:21 the international conference was held at my home city of San Antonio. The red building they are at is our famous library downtown. This makes me enjoy this video even more.

[@enemyofvirtue]

Awesome documentary! Love the visual style.

[@tania2160]

I'm from Peru 🇵🇪. The heart of the INKA EMPIRE!! Our history teaches us that the EUROPEAN CONQUERERS brought to the "NEW WORLD: all the deceases known and ravaged EUROPE. These deceases killed the aboriginers of North, Central America as well as in the South where the richest EMPIRE existed. The TAWNTINSUYO - INKA EMPIRE. it wasn't the other way around :(

[@johannagalan9994]

I'm with you. The Europeans were the ones who brought all the diseases to our countries and killed many indigenous people. What makes me more mad is telling people that the dirty indigenous women were the ones who gave Syphilis to the Europeans people. Ridiculous!

[@neftalisebastian3344]

Si, si no seas necia e ignorante, este documental es de los finales de los 90, en la actualidad y restos precolombinos, ya se demostro que el origen es autoctono de los pueblos de america

[@dipling.pitzler7650]

It is preposterous to think that syphilis developed first in a vast continent with a scarce population then transferred into filthy over populated medieval town centers which were already riddled with numerous other deceases.Of course it was the other way round!

[@DarkFire1536]

Agreed!

[@thatgalfromheck6032]

North Americs did have large population centers. Cahokia in it's prime was larger than London.

[@xenxander]

It's equally preposterous to think that native populations were free of any sort of disease that could be transferred.

[@maasicas]

" Of course" you say. Based on what ? Nothing.

[@onebourbononescotch]

No. Even sparsely populated areas have diseases. Just less.

[@andreaberryman5354]

I cannot imagine the pain they were in. Secondary Syphilis causes a temporary skin rash of the hands, feet and mouth that is quite contageous, so the friars may have been infected via sweaty palms of someone who sought help. People did not wash their hands in the 1300's. They did not have to engage in sexual contact-all it takes is for an individual to be in the secondary phase-where the infection has eaten its way to the skin. In latent stages, it colonizes bone where there are no immune cells and burrows through their victim's deep tissues.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

Soap and washing of ones skin was very prevalent back in medieval times, despite what mainstream says. Not to mention this documentary has long been debunked by scientists, yet somehow keeps getting passed around. The lessions of those skeletons were revealed to not be syphillis related, and the smoking barrel is modern Phylogenetic studies that keep indicating that syphilis emerged in the Americas since Treponema spp. evolutionary rates are compatible with pre-Columbian times and no evidence for European strains prior to the syphilis pandemic there have been detected. There is just more evidence showing that it came from pre Columbia America when it boils down, and most scientists in the field have come to this conclusion. Yet this documentary still starts by saying "the true story of syphillis" lol.. I mean they literally just mapped the syphillis genome a few years ago showing that it's just impossible and should be a nail in the coffin. And child skeletons with syphillis? Hmm, funny cuz it takes decades in an adult before this even occurs. You can look all this up for yourself, I tried to link info for you but it wouldn't let me cuz of youtube policies these days.

[@deliciaford4343]

Wow

[@katelane5924]

Thanks for that additional info

[@angelaphilbrook2556]

Modern day monkey pox..think about it.

[@maggiemae7539]

@@angelaphilbrook2556 I read Aids was

[@rocroc]

Interesting video. Regardless of where it came from, someone had it first and someone gave it to the population in the Americas or they gave it to the rest of the world. It causes me to wonder if it can be genetically identified. I think dispersion is closely related to water travel and that is the key to widespread dispersion. With its discovery in Holland, that tells me it might have come across Berengia with the original settlers or later native populations. I doubts that's the case because it would have wiped out the original population to begin with. I'm left with two conclusions, the Vikings could have brought it to North America and Britain or other seafaring travelers brought it by water. If it could be genetically identified you could tell who that was. I opt for Asian traders coming up the coast and into the Americas sometime after the population had grown sustainable. Those same trading routes still exist today as they did thousands of years ago. All it would have taken is one ship or one traveler.

[@Marlaina]

But blaming anyone but white people is racist....

[@tabatha2162]

How painful that must have been? Wow i can't even begin to think about how much that would hurt!!!

[@theirmom4723]

Chaucer wrote "The Canterbury Tales" between 1387 and 1400 having 2 characters with indication of a sexually transmitted disease, possibly syphilis. They were, the Summoner and the Pardoner. So, I would say, it was well known that the Native did not give the explorers this disease, but it was the other way around.

[@dontimberman5493]

It is well known I only remember being told that The aristocracy of Europe was constantly looking for someone to blame for syphilis. When it was endemic to the area the whole time.

[@westzed23]

@@dontimberman5493 I didn't know that of the rulers but it definitely sounds true.

[@josephboxmeyer5730]

I haven't read Chaucer in over fifty years, but that does ring a medieval 🔔🔔. Thanks for your memory.

[@yolyrom7233]

Exactly

[@kn-xg4sr]

there is another non genital syphilis and yaws

[@skaisnotdead]

I think it's important to take the context of the Colobus theory into consideration. No European country wanted to admit that it originated there, so it was easy to blame the Native Americans since they were seen as savages and beneath their colonizers. I think the mutation theory makes the most sense and it existed in different strains on both continents.

[@mrcooper7027]

The mutation theory is just that a theory.

[@faithlesshound5621]

The oldest treponemal disease is Yaws, which is endemic to hot wet tropical countries at present and is spread non-venereally. The skin lesions (frambesia) are disfiguring and the throat is also affected. Tertiary lesions in bone are rarer. It has been found in Homo erectus skeletons from Kenya dating back to 1.6 million years ago. European and Middle Eastern syphilis may have mutated from African Yaws. Bejel and Pinta are other non-venereal diseases caused by versions of Treponema pallidum, the latter in Central & South America. Columbus's sailors could have picked that up and, as adults, lacked immunity. Sibbens was a non-venereal form of syphilis found among Scottish children in the 18th century: it could have spread to them from an adult with venereal syphilis.

[@witchskee]

@@mrcooper7027 True, but that doesn't mean the theory is wrong. It's merely lacking the evidence as of YET to prove it. Scientific theories and the way we use the word "theory" in the everyday sense are slightly different (as an example, the "theory" of gravity. We know gravity exists, and it explains a lot of things in the universe, but there are also some things it can't explain or there are things that defy gravity). Besides, op only said they felt it made the most sense, not that they were definitively saying it was the correct answer.

[@Diamondntheruff]

@@mrcooper7027 so Is the Columbus theory. Works both ways. I’ll go with what makes more sense.

[@Ms.Royalty7743]

Exactly 💯

[@anna-lisagirling7424]

I just watched this for the second time because I'm reading a book chronicalling the lives of orphaned girls in a charity home run by the church in the early to mid- 16th century in Florence, Italy. For a number of reasons, there was a high rate of syphilis among them. As I read it I keep having this lingering notion that maybe co-morbity was involved in the wake of the Bubonic Plague that overwhelmed the European populations. Might the stressors of that dreadful disease sort of "kickstarted" the mutation of the treponema bacteria already endemic in the general populations? I've not seen any source material on that notion but I only spent about abhor digging online this afternoon. Anybody?

[@vernaclevinger5716]

When I married I had to have a blood tests done to prove I had no STDs to get a license in New Mexico. Hubby lived in Texas and had to get one too. I had 2 tubes of blood drawn and tested, he had a finger poke and was told his blood type. It was a test so they accepted it.

[@valerieleidal]

Had to get tested in Alberta as well for STDs before marriage license was given to us! I don’t think they do that anymore.

[@ATexasPerson101]

@@valerieleidalthey don’t I just got married

[@CryptoX-kr3wu]

Medieval Europe was a scary time period. Rampant disease, plagues, systemic torture, religious wars, superstitious beliefs, theocratic rule, etc. It was a fvked up time period in human history.

[@farfetched9296]

Sounds like it's revamping in the 2020s

[@zzzz9334]

@@farfetched9296 na i guarantee it’s not even close to that

[@angelaalbury986]

Like the horrible Tushegee experiments. Any scientific papers published

[@vannamaae]

@@farfetched9296you trippin dawg 😂

[@TheGirlnurse]

I remember when I was a kid my grandma told me her brother died from syphilis when he was 21. She was born in the late 1800’s

[@racinguy17]

Crazy. Back then the remedies for that situation must have been crazy too unfortunately.

[@madhatter909]

@@racinguy17 arsenic.

[@kelly1827]

@@madhatter909 More commonly it was mercury instilled into the urethra (for men) or in vapor form

[@faithlesshound5621]

@@racinguy17 Mercury, malaria, organic arsenicals: arsphenamine and neo-arsphenamine (Salvarsan and NeoSalvarsan).

[@TerriCodeSearcher]

Yes! The opening music is enough to Make one want to move on past this one

[@user-om8mz3ey6k]

Love the music and sounds to this video

[@sonyasspot355]

I believe that this contagious disease has been going on for centuries, people hid from others in the village, not really knowing what it was, are whom to talk it over with, until doctors finally diagnose it, and gave it a name based on its progression, and how it affected the human body, during those stages. What a horrifying thing to go through. I can't even imagine the suffering of people went through who had it.

[@LotusStitchandSketch]

I think it's possible that it already existed in Europe, but in a far less lethal form and that Columbus could have possibly carried it along with his men to the Americas, but then when it got there it underwent a massive mutation and then as a result Columbus brought back a far more lethal version of it than what was already in Europe at the time

[@rykerdark1688]

Some one fucked a goat and got it the just spreded it

[@stephaniewallace4234]

Believe it been around for centuries as well. It possable they hid it from others in villages.

[@karolsorrell827]

Lesions from leprosy, syphilis, HIV. Hmmm, makes you think.

[@Valoelify]

@@LotusStitchandSketch Opposite. Look towards the end of the video... The Native Americans are the ones who had some immunity against the Lighter version of it, the mere skin version. It sounds like Columbus is the one who brought a far more lethal version to the Native "Indians" instead, killing off a large population with all the diseases they brought, Syphillis included.

[@anachyinuk]

I learned about Syphilis in high school and the fact it could turn you mad, this terrified me!

[@penny8579]

There is one solution to not have to worry about ever getting it

[@agnesjames4225]

Such interesting finds at Hull. Thank you absolute history.

[@darrickbrown830]

So George would have to admit all his work and expertise was wrong and he isn’t ready to except that! If you have a group of people with the symptoms and those people were buried 100 years prior well that’s all you need. A man who can’t admit he was wrong is not only common but irrelevant. And being proven wrong by a women may also play a part I his denial. I love it!

[@judeinLA.]

Fell asleep watching something else and woke up to this after having a Syphilis nightmare.

[@Alynnescape]

the sound design in this documentary is seriously over the top, but it was interesting nonetheless

[@6ixConfessions]

But you have to admit that it gives you a sense of what it must be like to suffer from full-blown syphilis. There's a guy who composed music/audio to give people a an understanding or sense of what it's like to suffer through the various stages of dementia as your mind slowly loses it's ability to process the world around you. I personally found it both insightful, frightening & heartbreaking. It's amazing how much information or emotions music can convey without a single word. If you're interested it's called: The Caretaker - Everywhere At The End Of Time - Stages 1-6. It's over 6 hours long but, you can skip through to the main parts to get the sense of what's being expressed. It gave me a new found understanding & empathy for dementia sufferers. See it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXu6nKaGjKl-hcU

[@Kifford]

The zombie scream is a bit odd yeah.

[@6ixConfessions]

@@Kifford Well, I guess even a zombie would freak out if it had syphilis. 🤔

[@Annnoura]

That random screaming was very extra lol

[@Alynnescape]

@@Annnoura it was so campy I had to laugh! the electrocution noises too lmao

[@drewishaf]

What's more horrifying than the pictures of people with necrotic secondary/tertiary syphilis (especially in congenital cases where there are children/infants with 1/3 of their face rotten off)?!

[@zolabison2744]

This is amazing history. My favorite subject

[@ILBBSM]

I'm an American in my twenties, and I've only ever been taught that Columbus brought Syphilis to America! It's interesting that all this debated happened. I never knew it was a debate before watching this documentary.

[@leahw1189]

Agreed. Nobody over here thinks Columbus was a great guy. It made sense they brought it to the Native Americans…

[@catarinafernandes3046]

I'm Portuguese and that's actually what I have heard! But I can't remember where I heard this, I might have read an American source and accept it as facts

[@muddyhotdog4103]

This is an old debunked doc and I dunno why it's still broadcasted. The genome of v. syphilis has since been mapped a couple years ago and it did come from the Americas and native introduction. The whole "syphilis enigma" theory of the early 2000s has since been debunked, and bones of those found in Scottish monks were found to be dated wrong (shellfish diet messed with early carbon dating) and other experts looking at other bones -Pompeii for example- were shown to be a different bacterial infection. Unfortunately Absolute History keeps showing the same twenty year old documentary (the Syphillis Enigma) spreading this debunked theory to people and making the world dumb. Tldr: syphilis did in fact come from the Americas.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

@@catarinafernandes3046 this is an old documentary that was long debunked.. The smoking gun evidence came about when the genome of v. syphilis was mapped a couple years ago and it did come from the Americas and native introduction. The whole "syphilis enigma" theory of the early 2000s has since been debunked, and bones of those found in Scottish monks were found to be dated wrong (shellfish diet messed with early carbon dating) and other experts looking at other bones -Pompeii for example- were shown to be a different bacterial infection. Unfortunately Absolute History keeps showing the same twenty year old documentary (the Syphillis Enigma) spreading this debunked theory to people and making the world dumb. Tldr: syphilis did in fact come from the Americas.

[@sci-bot]

@@catarinafernandes3046donno, this doc is a bit old (prob 90s info) it’s best to look for more recent information on the subject

[@aamzies]

When I'm having a bad day where everything keeps going wrong, I was able to come back to this video. Thank you for making my day a little better

[@maxwortel8986]

I get the concept of your action. But not the choice of video, for said action Not judging, just saying But going by the name amy How hard Is the life of a woman really?

[@jamespriddy8275]

How does other peoples misery make one even feel better?

[@jamespriddy8275]

“What kind of religious community was this.” The same as all of them. Sex is a human need. Religion does not detract from it.

[@inlandempress4587]

@@jamespriddy8275 reduction of impact by position comparison

[@yesterdayitrained]

@@maxwortel8986 Much harder than the life of a man, really.

[@janiceburgess4679]

I work psychiatry. We treat patients who have mental disorders from untreated syphilis. It's called neurosyphilis.

[@frankG335]

The pain that person was in, for so long before dying, is pure torture. Horror. No painkillers.

[@searchindex3438]

pain killers don’t kill pain …they just make you not care about it, which can also just be done with the mind

[@sarahjane2893]

I was wondering when morphine started being used?

[@searchindex3438]

@@sarahjane2893 According to the web Ancient Sumerians were known to use it 3000BC …The medical industry created the injection version 1803-1805….and created the oral version used for cancer in the 1950s …The body naturally turns opium into morphine such as digesting poppy products…so giving someone morphine is just breaking down opium for them

[@beverlykennedy126]

All that horrible. Pain for just a few minutes of sexual pleasure? Sure ain’t worth it as far as I’m concerned!

[@michelepowponne562]

@@searchindex3438 Painkillers block the pain receptors in the brain and consequently stop the pain effectively. Aspirin was the first and the active chemical ingredient found naturally in tree bark. Meditation and hypnosis can with practice put the subject in a mind state wherein pain can be managed well. But this isn’t an instant fix. It is disingenuous to say on taking pain killers a patient just doesn’t care, not all painkillers are Opiods which provide a sense of well being and euphoria.

[@bartholetbay412]

Great video, can relate to this, living with an incurable disease is so hard, but you just have to live life day by day as it goes by (Cancer sucks)'

[@haynesatteh4463]

it is never the end of the world, i had HIV but when a friend of mine recommended a healer and caster for me, and she helped me out and i am NEGATIVE now, i was tested twice and i am free now

[@bartholetbay412]

@@haynesatteh4463 wow, how can i get in touch with her? this healer, does she cure other sickness

[@haynesatteh4463]

@@bartholetbay412 yes, her name is MIRIAM CHAMANI DIETRICH, you can look her up online.

[@bartholetbay412]

@@haynesatteh4463 wow, found her website, thank you very much for this.

[@Valoelify]

If you two are scaming people with this information, then curses be upon you.

[@peanutdecided6256]

without something more concrete, the most you could say is that the skeletons may have had syphilis, but syphilis isn’t the only disease that can do that

[@ColleenMarie111]

A few moments of fun cause this poor man the most pain anyone could ever possibly imagine. Eating into your bones all of your bones just eating away must have been maddening for this poor man. I haven't gotten this far to know if it that was his cause of death but I'm thinking I would have caused my ending long before having to suffer through all of that

[@sharakate]

I think it’s important to note that while evidence often points to new theories of many things, archaeologists and anthropologists often spend their whole lives and careers believing, writing about, and becoming experts in certain fields of studies and theories. When someone comes along that blows their whole life, basically, to bits, it’s hard for them to let go of what they have believed and touted for so many years. It doesn’t make them right, but it is understandable how difficult changing their ways of thinking must be.

[@undrwatropium3724]

Are you talking about religion?

[@sharakate]

@@undrwatropium3724 not at all. But the fervor isn’t that different! Lol

[@ms.k3837]

They spend their lives theorizing and making assumptions trying to make sense of things and they let their ego get in the way. Not realizing that the earth and happenings have been going on for eons. So there's always bound to be new evidence and knowledge that the earth was holding that the just didn't find yet. So yeah, it's hard for them and scientists

[@ElysetheEevee]

@@ms.k3837 How would they "not realize the earth and its happenings" have been going on for eons? I feel like you're trying to use flowery language to prove a flawed and generalized point, and some of it doesn't even make any sense. Anthropologists, paleontologists, and other similar professions are literally in the business of studying things from eons ago. Ego intervenes in EVERY profession. Humans are egotistical creatures. However, generalizing that ego prevents a professional historian in any form from properly delving into it all using context clues and second- and third-hand resources to the degree that their theories are essentially ego-driven isn't fair. There some like that, sure. Human perception will always paint a slightly different picture from the truth, no matter how close we get to that "truth": that's also expected. Implying everyone let's their ego run their lives and careers, on top of running what would be important work for the betterment of humanity, is just ignorant. It's like saying all women who work in the food industry let their ego prevent them from properly running a restaurant with anyone else. Any time you try to make a blanket statement saying that a group at large is at fault for something only a portion are is going to sound bad.

[@ms.k3837]

@@ElysetheEevee Lol. Sweetheart you wrote all that for my comment? Wow!

[@Romanenthusiast]

I have just been looking into the Syphilis bacteria. I didn't know this but there are other strains of the same bacteria the Treponema bacteria. Syphilis is one of them as well as Yaws (T.pallidum), Pinta (T.carateum), and nonvenereal endemic syphilis. I discovered that all of these diseases are apparently indistinguishable on bone from one another, meaning they all display similar bone lesions and unless genetic testing is done, there is no way to tell if those lesions are from Syphilis, yaws or Pinta. I also found on the wiki page for Pinta that is was endemic to the American subcontinent, predominantly south America and Mexico but it would be fair to assume that indigenous Americans had contact with this disease and that maybe what Columbus was bringing back to the old world and not syphilis but another variation of the Treponema bacteria (Pinta). Where as new research has suggested that Syphilis originated in west Asia close to the European continent. If this is true it could be plausible that Syphilis did indeed exist in Europe before Columbus made his voyage to the new world. But the verdict is still out in the academic world.

[@greenlungo3996]

Thank you for sharing this. I was thinking it was a pretty unfair stretch for history to hinge on an assumption that no other disease could have ever caused similar bone damage. Ignoring the evidence that it was different when it didn't spread the same. Let alone the laughable assumption that Columbus was the actual first European to venture back from the Americas. Also that no indigenous Americans could have ever made the venture on their own.

[@patrickstockton2091]

The migrants have brought the drug-resistant form of BLUE WAFFLE " to streets of N.Y.C AND NOW CANADA...TRUDEAU ain't happy...

[@Dovey62]

Do you also know that Lyme disease is caused by a spircourts and And it's later stages can cause many of the same symptoms , including The Nerve and brain damaged?

[@karmaalstad5588]

One of Colombus' boats was named The Pinta. Hmmmm

[@muddyhotdog4103]

The genome of v. syphilis has since been mapped a couple years ago and it did come from the Americas. The whole "syphilis enigma" theory of the early 2000s has since been debunked, and bones of those found in Scottish monks were found to be dated wrong (shellfish diet messed with early carbon dating) and other experts looking at other bones -Pompeii for example- were shown to be a different bacterial infection. Unfortunately Absolute History keeps showing the same twenty year old documentary (the Syphillis Enigma) spreading this debunked theory to people and making the world dumb. Tldr: syphilis did in fact come from the Americas in the sti form, evident through genetic mapping. This is why it plagued Europe only years after initial contact

[@sloeberdoet]

i know of some antibiotics resistance nowadays but i forgot if it was against de Syphillis bacteria or the one of ghonorhea.

[@RacheLD2400]

The background music is so creepy...it's literally perfect for this video....

[@temmiepet4183]

As a Puerto Rican I would like to thank Dr Charlotte and the other couple for staying on the side of knowledge I had no idea Caribbeans used to be blamed for the disease

[@HisPiTa]

Im Puerto rican too .. But they refer to us as native Americans i had to clarify that we are not native Americans !! That drives me crazy

[@kandorstevenson]

I remember growing up in an island in the caribean where, it was tought that we were the ones who gave siphillis to the spaniards. How wrong those lectures where. Thank you.

[@BlueAlien1313]

I grew up in Jamaica and was taught that it was the Spaniards and the French who brought it to the island with other diseases that almost wiped out the population.

[@gnostic268]

Not many of yhe Indigenous people who lived on the islands from the Mesolithic still remain. They died from diseases brought by the colonists. Europeans and Africans almost totally replaced the original population. The people living in the Caribbean now aren't indigenous.

[@philhawley1219]

@@gnostic268 There are still Caribs living on the island of Dominica. How much they have mixed genetically with the Afro Caribbean population I do not know.

[@dmc3202]

Yeah, it’s called projection. Blame the victim syndrome

[@helengold9098]

Al Capone suffered terribly & supposedly went mad at the end of his life!! The music fits the horror of this disease perfectly!!

[@dianelipson5420]

I’ve often wondered if the idea that Syphilis came from the New World wasn’t for some reason? My question, after observing some of the epidemiology of this disease, is if Europeans brought it to the New World? Introduced into a population with no resistance, a much more virulent form may have mutated in the New World and been brought back to Europe - by sailors who may not have been alarmed by a disease that they thought was less debilitating. This would explain a lot of the conflicting facts.

[@SensationalBanana]

The music and other sound designs in this documentary is truly haunting, downright scary... Well done!

[@DanteTimberwolf]

Like plague inc

[@nightheron5892]

IDK, the choral music pops in and out as if Mary Beard herself were yodeling

[@jessmorri7194]

I think it’s awful. So annoying.

[@domiro8156]

Personally, I could do without the drama..... I find it bad taste, pointless and frankly irritating!!!

[@tamaradavis3693]

@@domiro8156 I came to comment the same, it seems like a middle school art project on sound editing, yuck

[@ashurean]

wish they just talked in these documentaries and cut out the sound effects and 30-second cutaways to random images

[@katee8147]

Me too

[@oddity4all2see]

I've been sick with stomach flu all week and discovered this channel. All week I geeked out on syphilis, the plague, my favorite which I hope they do more of was the 4hrs of deadly inventions and homes in the Victorian, Georgian, Tudor, and post war 50s. Amazing and the chick is hot and there's a sweet ginger girl too. Just the perfect thing to watch while stomach sick.

[@traningday]

I think we can all agree that the highlight of this documentary it’s the horrendous music in the background, don’t know what more horrific syphilis or the background music.

[@Dougwoz1]

All the military service people I knew while on deployement to foreign lands always knew that; at the end of those deployments there was a period called "Pu-tang cut off date" this was a period say 3 weeks before returning home you would notice medical conditions that could be countered by a trip to sick call, and a shot of penicillin. Vietnam vets know what I mean, and most sailors would agree. I did two tours to Europe and it was always the same no matter what Squadron I was attached or port I went to.

[@trevorn9381]

A friend who was a USAF doctor back during Vietnam was told me about an officer who showed up straight off the plane at Langley AFB from Nam with a raging case of the clap. He said they had a going away party for him back in Nam and they got some hookers. Anyway, he came in the doctor's office dropped his pants and my friend gave him the diagnosis. He said the guy said: "You gotta do something because I am headed home to the wife." My friend gave him a shot of penicillin and said: "you damn sure better make some excuse to stay away from her until this clears up!" lol

[@Grim2]

Ever noticed how horrific STD's tend to start with sailors?

[@Positivemotivation662]

🤣🤣

[@kathleenking47]

They started the extreme tattooing as well..they did it as soon as Edison invented the instruments to make it easier

[@tlynn1993]

Booty bandits

[@garrieclark24]

Don't bend over in front of a old seaman old soldier 😂😂😂...

[@Geezer-yf8hv]

Horny sailors with find any port available!!

[@user-qg5wg9ut2o]

Thank you for your amazing educational presentations. I was horrified to see the Anthropologists handling those disease ridden bones & artifacts. They obviously had a method of sterilization.

[@DrKhan-hd4cd]

The background music gave me syphilis

[@merilynclendenin5033]

My uncle carried syphilis in on my aunt and they had two little boys. She died soon after and my Mamaw raised her boys. She was in her early twenties when she passed. It didn't kill him unfortunately.

[@jamesfagan7823]

Excellent documentary

[@natalijalaonar8187]

That soundtrack is the best part of this documentary. I want to hear it in a zombie-survival horror flick!

[@woodlie]

i like this documentary, but the sound effects are insufferable.

[@bogbody9952]

I thought the RRHHHAAAAGGLLLA sounds were fine.

[@johannaweichsel3602]

Tim Burton this sound director is not.....

[@jessmorri7194]

They’re so bad. Otherwise the doc is so interesting.

[@Positivemotivation662]

@@bogbody9952 😂😂

[@hollyoswald7808]

I can only stand to turn the sound off and read the cc (caption) version.

[@desiree786]

These times in history make me really wonder how the human race actually continued...😳

[@timvanwagoner6916]

We are adaptive biological beings our immune system get stronger and stronger every cold and flu Every germ you or your ancestors have had the privilege of bringing into contact with the immune system has made you the power house you are.. never shield your self from your environment

[@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752]

😂😂😂 We are self destructive in a sense😂😂😂

[@timvanwagoner6916]

@@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 in a sense..lol I can't understand how I made it this far.. I'm so glad I'm older now even though I'm still driven I don't have half the drive that I managed too survive.

[@desiree786]

@@timvanwagoner6916 Same.

[@kodyremer5864]

Lots of bangin'

[@loveudon6972]

I have seen cases in Pattaya, Thailand just a couple of years back.

[@dynahmaranatha2954]

Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the....... Truth ‼️🙌🕊️

[@sammyt3514]

I don't understand why the American scientist was still insisting on the long held supposition that native indians gave syphilis to Europe after the Hull skeletons proved it existed in Europe prior to Columbus' trip to the new world! His insistence that there needs to be many skeletons with the disease in Europe for him to change his mind didn't make any sense since ONE skeleton with syphilis in Europe before the Columbus trip is enough to refute that long held belief of the Indians being the source of the disease! Can't really see where he's coming from tbh.

[@culturalobserver8721]

Dare I say, that American scientist may be ……… prejudice?? Perhaps he wants to insist that native Americans are responsible for syphilis in Europe, and not reckless sexual behavior!

[@Bella-qu5pf]

I apologize I had done some research on this topic but I find my brain blanking, there were I believe two different types floating around, the one they had native to them wasn't destructive like the strain Columbus brought over that then mutated their strain. They had some knowledge on the fact what he had brought over was alike what they had due to some symptoms, but even they knew it was deadly, unlike the strain they were accustomed to. How scary it must have been to think you know what your up against only for a man to stumble along and mutate at it all and him come out scott free and your people end up dying. And on top of that he does what we all knew Columbus did to those people.

[@culturalobserver8721]

@@Bella-qu5pf Ma’am, they concluded that Syphilis was indeed in Europe BEFORE explorers like Columbus decided to sail to the New World! Your theory that one strain (European) was less deadly than the New World’s strain is unsubstantiated and has never been proven!! It’s simply a theory. They even found old hand written scripts that describe Syphilis, many years before New World explorations.

[@Bella-qu5pf]

@@culturalobserver8721 I like how you deleted this comment after realizing you read my comment wrong and literally read it as the exact opposite of what I said

[@Mockingbird_Taloa]

That's called systemic/institutional racism! That Indigenous folx gave Europeans venereal syphilis is something we have by-and-large always refuted--but the Western scientific community is notorious for ignoring anything that doesn't fit with the "established" story from the Euro perspective. The worst thing about it is that there are multiple ways to explain why syphilis was so suddenly noticed by the European medical community right around the time of Columbus, as the doc sort-of touched on. However, people will refuse to acknowledge that there is no sure answer for the present and stick with the existing, dogmatic, explanation because it makes them feel better for their ancestors introducing viral diseases to us that wiped out 90% of our population within three generations, and to which we continue to have low immunity. TBH, there was a lot of...misinformed characterizations in this doc, but Indigenous history is so poorly taught one can almost excuse the presenters for it. The Aztec capital was FAR larger than London (Europe's largest city in the 1500s), and it was not the only large city to have existed. Trade networks stretched from the Great Lakes, down the Mississippi, across the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. The peoples of the present-day Southwestern US traded direct with the Mya for cacao and macaw feathers. Indigenous folx have ALWAYS had better hygiene than what was common in Europe during the Age of Colonization. The idea we didn't have complex cities, with high hygiene standards and extensive trade routes (not to mention that whole nations were known to split off and move thousands of miles every so often), but that Europe did, is absurd. There is no tradition of (venereal) syphilis among us pre-Columbus--but there is a considerable deal of herbal knowledge relating to rashes and skin complaints (which aligns with non-venereal syphilis being somewhat prevalent.) Speaking from the perspective of the Southeastern nations, there were *two types of marriage* (one 'short-term' with little or no ceremony, the other 'permanent' with much ceremony), and it was pretty normal for a woman to have a different father for each of her children (the mother's mother and siblings were generally responsible for disciplining their nieces/nephews, not the father! The eldest grandmother was the head-of-household.) If venereal syphilis was something going around pure-Columbus, **there would absolutely have been a record of it passed down to us by our elders, and probably an institution of strict monogamy.** Traditional society had a lot of complex rules about who one could and could not have intimate relations with--adding a call to monogamy wouldn't have been that far a stretch if it proved necessary. We still have oral records of wooly mammoth/mastodons being wiped out by a contagious disease--read: we didn't domesticate animals by choice because we understood them as sources of virulent disease. We had a system of essentially national parks and wildlife refuges for hunting--animals were NOT allowed too close to towns or cities, because disease. There is a reason there are no zoonotic diseases from the Americas prior to colonization!