Death in Ice Valley Live, Episode 11 - BBC World Service

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This episode was broadcast Live from Bergen, Norway, in June 2019. Marit Higraff and Neil McCarthy answer your questions with special guests crime writer Gunnar Staalesen, forensic pathologist Inge Morild, and Nils Jarle Gjøvåg, head of forensics at Bergen Police. With thanks to the Student Society of Bergen for hosting.
This is the story of a woman travelling in Norway in 1970 who died a terrible death, and left behind her a trail of strange clues. Her real identity has remained unknown for more than 50 years, and it remains one of the world's most intriguing unsolved mysteries.
Death in Ice Valley is an original podcast series made by the BBC World Service and NRK. It's presented by Marit Higraff and Neil McCarthy.
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[@michaelstamper5604]

The similarities between the Isdal woman and "Jennifer Fairgate", who was found dead in an Oslo hotel in the mid 1990s, are eerie. Both had all the labels removed from their clothing, both claimed to be resident in Belgium, both supposedly committed suicide yet to do so in the manner suggested would have been very difficult, if not physically impossible. Could there be a connection worth investigating?

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It’s only 7,5k views for 2 years. How could it be, when it’s so cool, way better than those unprofessional bloggers who tell 5% of the story and get hundreds of thousands views and thousands comments. Its not fair. I’m so happy to find this series, even though I’m familiar with the story I’ve learned a lot of new facts. Greetings from Poland.

[@OpinionatedFrench]

It was originally uploaded on the bbc podcasts website & other podcast repositories. Most of the people interested with this incredible story would have listened to it as a podcast on a different website. It was uploaded here quite a long time after first release.

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[@kalmangyarfas385]

Yes, this is a very mysterious case , and I'm very interested in it, too!.... Gretings from Hungary!👍...And that spookily sounding music in the background!...Fuckin' good! 😀👍

[@wcraigburns3458]

Fantastic series thank you 😊

[@jaygatsby3039]

"Is he still alive?" "No, he is dead" Dunno why but it made me laugh how abrupt the response was. I love Scandinavian people :)

[@theonlydjtopcat]

I think there is an Israel connection, and the Norwegian government made an agreement to stop the investigation. Now the question is who's side was she on? Was she the hunter? or the hunted? We know she was likely born in Nuremberg Nazi Germany around 1925 + - 4 years. If she was a Jew, she could have ended up working for Mossad, or Simon Wiesenthal's Nazi hunters. But if she was still a Nazi sympathizer (anti-Israel) then Mossad may have suicided her in the Isdal valley. I would like to see this team reach out to former Mossad agents from the 1970's who may still be alive, and ask if it was ever known protocol for them to have multiple aliases? Usually the well funded, and organized state intelligence services would not be so sloppy, they'd be discreet, have great cover stories, and only one or two aliases.

[@CriticalityIncident]

I've got a message for the Norwegian police: If Colleen Fitzpatrick is offering to help out with a case, the only reasonable thing to do is to dance a happy dance and say "yes, please" immediately.

[@ur-inannak9565]

If you investigate the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, you had a similar situation in a very similar time frame where Israel had a vested interest in steering the actions of a Western nation and applied their leverage to do exactly that. I highly recommend the documentary on it produced by Al Jazeera. The investigations were shut down in the exact same manner.

[@dinamo.slavonija]

i wish you would accpet me in your facebook group i might have some valid info about the case and different point of view on it...

[@susannak1755]

Just email them.

[@BiPolarBear128]

LOL I am Norwegian and I still get caught off guard with the cute way Norwegians speak English , they speak English the exact same way they speak Norwegian ..too cute

[@zc6346]

Yes, that's basically the description of a foreign accent. What is so cute about that lol? The French accent is very popular, very distinctive. But norwegian? Sounds a lot like a German accent tbh. Nothing wrong with having an accent. I don't think yours is particulary cute though 😂

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[@wcraigburns3458]

Is it possible the woman was related to a senior Nazi and hunted down because of her DNA . ?

[@susannak1755]

DNA? What do you mean? That she was jewish? Or that Mossad wanted her dead?

[@wcraigburns3458]

@@susannak1755 she was a relative of a high ranking Nazi . Or double dealing with a intelligence service . CIA killed her I think . Why ? Don't know . I'm pro Israel but just maybe mossad fingerprints too . Killed or knocked unconscious from a karate Blow . Who does that ? Code book dug up and taken . Bag reburied . Norwegian int know exactly what happened I think their respect at funeral more than merely professional .

[@susannak1755]

@@wcraigburns3458 It's possible. Krav Maga was developed for the Israel defence forces. If you know krav maga, you can easily knock someone uncounscious. People say she was dark or that she looked southern but many germans look tanned and have brown hair. So yes she could have been a relative of a high ranking Nazi. She had 8 fake passports (btw where are they? I bet someone has seen them and has photos of her). Mossad spies sometimes use multiple passports (see Al-Mabhouh case, I mean they are really good at making fake passports). So it's possible she worked for the Mossad. Someone heard her speaking in a weird language (hebrew maybe?). Also her handwriting is weird. Her Ns remind me of the Hebrew aleph.. But maybe it's just my imagination. I'm pro Israel too, so I'm not criticizing here only speculating.

[@wcraigburns3458]

@@susannak1755 thank you Susanna really enjoyed your narrative . Isdal woman doesent seem switched on enough for Mossad and its like she was on the run . I think she is the woman who has the daughter in Spain . I think her daughter lied about her time of death to close all doors incase of more scrutiny . She was part of a criminal circle but she could have been a spy too . I'm intrigued as to how they where poor but managed to travel to South America . Why south America ? Points to a Nazi hunter in my opinion or a fleeing Nazi ? It always amazes me that ordinary people accept Israel is surrounded by countries who seek her destruction yet still criticise her . Israel are god's people may they always thrive .

[@ZardozCologne]

Unlikely, as she was raised in the Belgium/France/Luxembourg/Germany border regions. For me this speaks more for flewing the Nazi regime. especially, she herself was to young to be involved in Nazi crimes; I think, she was a displaced person of WW2, maybe the child of communist parents hunted in Nazi Germany and had lost all relatives in that time; without any roots, beeing on herself and with potential communist parents, she was contracted by the KGB as a courier; suffering from a heavy trauma, she committed suicide on a travel and, half unconscious by her pills caught fire when she tried to make her last hot drink. Autopsy clearly stated that she never had a baby.

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