Death Means Nothing In Disney Movies

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

When I first saw Princess and the Frog I thought "Ray's fine. He'll be back." I was surprised when he didn't bounce back and died.

[@coffintears5821]

Rays death devastated me as a kid

[@dvffYT]

Bro that hit hard

[@annijaklamer]

The thing with him finally being with Evangeline and watching over his friends made me weep

[@mini-bi8482]

I didn't care, but I can understand why you say that

[@brookelawrence6740]

me in Big Hero Six

[@eleanorgoadby2532]

The weird thing is, these fake out scenes aren't much less scaring than actually killing a character. If you kill a character, if the movie is in any way decent, then it will be addressed within the story and be explained in some way so that any kids watching it will be able to somewhat accept what happened (not necessarily like it but except it). With fake out deaths, kids get a proverbial gut punch with no emotional outlet for their feelings. They could be devastated in that moment of the characters "death", but after they are discovered to be alive it tends to come across as "well, there actually fine so get over it so we can move on with the story" and that can lead kids to be frustrated and sad because it just completely invalidates their feelings.

[@Al_-cf1dj]

A little thing about tangled, the original tale actually contains the "tear drop contains magic and heals the guy" thing, which is probably why it was included in the movie However I fully agree with your points about death in movies, it's fucking annoying how it never seems to have consequences (Edit: bad wording)

[@b.h.4249]

Um... Did we read the same fairytale? Rapunzel didn't have any magic powers in the original tale as far as I know. Her tears healed the guy because it was the whole magic of true love thing. Rapunzel was never kept around because she had magical powers. Sorry if I come off as rude, I just really don't remember that ever being in the story. 😅

[@Al_-cf1dj]

@@b.h.4249 oh yeah, that was bad wording on my part lol

[@Rosemont104]

At this point, children cannot be an excuse because the typical Japanese kids show and even some Disney shows tackle death that sticks (and not always necessarily in the lazy, offscreen "my mom died when I was little" backstory kind of way). Harvey Beaks had a little girl dealing with her new elderly friend dying.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I don't think the off-screen death as backstory is lazy, it feels really realistic. That teaches kids that death is a very real part of life and it's actually part of our history. If they can understand that this character lost someone before, it prepares because they realize that one day they will be that person. And it's also a bit optimistic because when it's part of a backstory, the kids watching know that one day, they will be able to move on and live their life in spite of a loved one dying.

[@neigeshusband5327]

How do you expect them to take time away to address it? It's quite literally just backstory

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi I think what the OP was referring to was the "Stuffed into the Fridge" trope

[@L0rdOfThePies]

In the pokemon sun and moon anime they had an episode about death i think

[@hedonismbot1508]

@@L0rdOfThePies You must be thinking of "One Journey Ends, Another Begins!", which has to be the prime example of differing attitudes about what kids can handle. The dialogue in the English dub basically does everything possible to convey the idea that the elderly Stoutland is dying without actually referencing death - at the end they even do the face-in-the-clouds thing a la "The Lion King". I'm assuming the original Japanese is a bit more straightforward.

[@lordmaymayofsharklanda8180]

When I was 5 my mom died of cancer and it was hard, but someone gave me a picture book about a willow tree and a I think a squirrel that really helped me through it it was about the willow tree growing and a squirrel coming to live in it and then getting sick and dying with the squirrel learning to accept that.I probably forced my dad and siblings to read it to me like 100 times. My point is that showing death and showing what it means in a way kids understand is important and can help so many kids through tough times.

[@Jemini4228]

Apparently Trusty was supposed to die in Lady and the Tramp but I've heard that Peggy Lee who voiced Peg the pekingese was so distraught by the idea of how upset the children watching would be at a test screening that she persuaded them to change the ending. Tbh I think it's better for it. For a death of such a sweet character to happen in such a comparatively gentle film so near the end would have shifted the tone too much imo.

[@dreye3215]

I think the main issue is that every movie now has to be a potential franchise, so they wanna keep all the characters around so they can be in potential sequels. No one was ever thinking about a sequel when they made Bambi, or Pocahontas, or The Little Mermaid, etc, so who cares about which characters die? Even if they become fan favorites, it's not like we're gonna see them again. If there's a potential sequel to Frozen though, or a potential Tangled TV series, then we gotta maintain the possibility that any given character could return, depending on fan reception.

[@aspergianstoryteller6204]

I agree, there's gotta be a money reason in there. A character death might affect merchandise sales, and we can't have that, goodness.

[@avivastudios2311]

Never even thought about that - good point.

[@diddles3383]

Funny how you say that when Tangled already has a TV series lol

[@dreye3215]

@@diddles3383 That's my point, they wouldn't have been able to include Eugene in that show if they'd killed him off. Their decision to have him survive was a business one.

[@sandwingsauce6085]

When Sisu died in Raya and the Last Dragon, It did really hit me and was not expected. It was a fantastic emotional point in the movie for me and it seemed all hope was lost. And then she came back to life and the moment was ruined >:/

[@avivastudios2311]

In my opinion, Sisu's death was pointless and her coming to life was the worst thing they could have done. There was no reason to kill Sisu they just wanted to start the climax. But they could have done something else.

[@AWlpsSHOW36]

I actually know the story behind Trusty's death and revival in 'Lady and the Tramp' Trusty was originally going to die in the movie. That scene with Trusty crushed under the carriage and Jock crying was going to be his death scene. But Peggy Lee, the voice of Darling, Peg the dog and the Siamese cats as well as a famous and popular singer at the time, found his death way too sad. She actually went into Walt Disney's office in tears pleading with him to not kill off Trusty. This, as well as the fact that they already dealt with a major character death in 'Bambi' convinced Walt Disney to change the ending to include Trusty so that he didn't get killed by the carriage after all.

[@edorasmarauder5761]

I’ve started playing this game where me and my friends guess which characters will die and which ones get to come back.

[@DragonLovingGirl6]

I always say: We should 'traumatize' our children just a little bit, in a safe environment. Because if they learn to deal with hardships through empathy in fantasy with our guidence, it'll help them do it again irl.

[@manicmuffin]

That's not "traumatizing" them, that's just exposing them to difficult concepts. Let's maybe not weaken the definition of "traumatized" any further than it already has.

[@DragonLovingGirl6]

@@manicmuffin Why do you think I wrote 'traumatize' like that? Because way too many adults use it when kids get scared or mentally challenged.

[@iclynnx]

It can be a part of my empathy for animals, as I watched Animals of Farthing Woods as a child. It was very dark for a kids' show, but I loved it. I wanted to watch the rest of the show even after I was worried my favourite, Fox, was dead. I was so worried I cried to my mom. I look back on the memory fondly. Maybe I'm just weird, too, but I think showing kids how to deal with such things, and showing them a grim truth, is important. Every now and then. Kids also need joy and hope. I also watched a Pooh Bear movie following little Roo and him becoming friends with the pink elephant. Are those also called Heffa in English? It was cute, I enjoyed it even when I rewatched it maybe a year or do ago.

[@dez-m]

This just made me appreciate HTTYD even more!

[@xavierchaves7090]

Same

[@gretelcorrales1779]

When I was little, I was always kinda hoping for certain characters to stay dead once they stated the dramatic placement(for example Gurgui or even the main characters) just out of curiosity how would the movie deal with it. And when Ray the firefly died, I was impressed, becuase it wasn't just a main character but a comic relief. As for "All Dogs Go To Heaven", while not a Disney movie, they did killed off the main character which is actually the only time I've seen it happen in a Western kid's movie at least.

[@Captainn4t]

I liked Don Bluth's approach, that you can't appreciate the light if you aren't willing to show the dark. Movies where death is an actual threat have more tension and make you more invested in the story, and ultimately happier when the conflict is resolved. Death was even a narrative driving force in more then one of his movies, though Land Before Time was definitely one of the most memorable.

[@victory8928]

The nimh movie about mice I feel is more amp cause it is all about a mother trying to save her child from a sickness. It really does hit the beats of a death as a narrative tension well

[@Jemini4228]

I agree about wrapping kids up in a cacoon though. There is no way that you can and should shelter children from such a fundamental concept. Death in kids movies are a way to gain experience with dealing with grief in a safe way that has no real world consequences. You never want a child's first experience of death to be that of a real loved one. Can you imagine how much more horrific it would be to lose a grandparent/parent/aunt/cousin/whatever when you had little conceptual understanding that that was possible.

[@millie2360]

This is why whenever a character dies in kids movies especially right after the climax I never act surprised nor sad because I already know they're just going to come back

[@travelingbard6161]

When my grandmother died, I was in shock. It took me years to realize she was never coming back.

[@DieVorleserin-ok8zr]

I must say, this is why I’m glad to have been raised in a congegration where it is customary to attend every funeral. At least, if you’re a choir singer which makes up like, 50% of the members, anyway. Of course it was hard on me as a child to get around the idea that people die and there’s nothing we can do about it, but it also helped me to mature in this world. Because we also attended the weddings, the christenings and the confirmations. I’ve learned that death is a natural part of life and while I’m still devastated by it, I seem to handle it actually better in the long run than some other people in my environment. I also want to point out a children’s cartoon of my childhood where they had the main character being “sad not knowing why” and the parent supporting them by saying “It’s ok to be down sometimes.” Like, that stuck with me through a lot of depressive episodes.

[@nathanwaters8586]

I feel like this trope can be kind of damaging since it could teach kids that it’s possible for people to come back which is so fucked up

[@ryanratchford2530]

Mufasa would be rolling in his stampeded trench

[@breezy3392]

Encanto also had a death fakeout with La Casita

[@DayDreamingWriters]

And because of I dont like how Fake outs dont have consequence on the character... I decide to make character traumatized over the Fake out, when they come to life again.

[@sunlitkay]

i think they just revive them so they can sell more toys less toys will be sold of a dead character

[@melenatorr]

Thank you for this judicious and intelligent discussion; I completely agree with your point; when I was a child, I was given tales from Greek and Norse mythology to read, and they play rough and ready with emotions of all kinds. I feel I learned from this. I am going to take slight issue with your inclusion of Beauty and the Beast as a fake-out since it is an essential element in most of the written versions of it, and also an essential element in "La Belle et la Bete", directed by Jean Cocteau, and which I feel is a major influence on the Disney movie, down to elements of the Beast's design and the character of Gaston. The original story of "Pinocchio" is extremely different from the Disney movie, and for once I really don't hold it against them for softening it, because the original is brutal. It does not end the same way as the Disney movie; in fact, in a way, it is sort of the reverse, and it goes on for a longer period before the change. Thanks again for this thoughtful presentation.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

I'm used to deaths sticking in fairy tales from my parent's respective home countries, but in Disney stories, no one ever dies. But consequently, I find it hard to get invested in a lot of Disney movies now and I never expect the death to stick, so what's supposed to be a big, emotional moment becomes me sitting there going, "I wonder how long it'll be before they get revived?" When I was a kid, stories where people died didn't cause me to have a breakdown. I guess it made me sad, but it made me care about the characters more. (Also reading The Soldier And Death as a kid made me actually really think about death, about the nuances of 'you can be a good guy but make very bad decisions', i.e. kidnapping Death and locking her up, and just made me have a lot of thoughts in general about what constitutes a good guy or a bad guy. But Americans aren't into that kind of thing aimed at kids, sadly...)

[@opalwreck]

glad they didnt do this with pedro in encanto

[@Drauph]

As a person who grew up witnessing many deaths irl, I would've appreciated good media representation of how to handle such loss. The fact that most of the deaths are to villains and we're not meant to grieve them offers no help to a child trying to understand how it works, instead it leaves them wondering what their loved one did to deserve it, since it is portrayed as a punishment rather than a thing that just naturally happens.

[@GingerWizzard1994]

To their credit, they deal with death and guilt expertly in one film, that being "The Lion King." Also, "Brother Bear" was honestly ballsy for um... certain reasons. Still salty that they didn't kill of Chief in "The Fox and the Hound." They wanted to, but the big bois wouldn't let them. Booooo.

[@Oakwyrm]

Yeah but as I noted those are all older films. (almost) all the Disney films that do death well are from the older, 2d animated eras while death fake-outs are on the rise at the moment and that's a bit disheartening honestly :c

[@calibrus9589]

@@Oakwyrm you tell us about any kind of war in a kids show?

[@PKMNResearcherSkyler]

@@calibrus9589 I'm not quite sure if it should count as a kids show, but if you want to see a show with war you may want to take a look at Centaurworld

[@calibrus9589]

@@PKMNResearcherSkyler what about avatar?

[@PKMNResearcherSkyler]

@@calibrus9589 You're right, I'm just writing this late at night and forgot about Avatar

[@YondaMoegi]

my first serious death scene was Mufasa's in Lion King. I was a baby like, 3-4 years old, and I cried so much! And every time I rewatched the movie I always cried about Mufasa, to the point that I uncontrollably start crying when I listen to the Stampede.mp3 even now 25+ years later

[@statsy150]

Context for Pinocchio: the story was supposed to end when Pinocchio dies but people were so angry at the writer of the book for killing the protagonist he was forced to keep writing the story untill it good to a happy ending. So yeah Disney’s not at fault there at least

[@dustyzoiveon6161]

Another problem I can see with this trope is that not only does it not prepare children for death, but it also... makes things worse for when they are going to come across it? Their only introduction to it being this temporary thing that can be reversed is, uh, not gonna hold up when someone they know dies. It's already hard to tell kids that no, grandpa isn't gonna be coming back, he's actually gone. But movies showing death as only a temporary thing that can be fixed if you /love them enough/? Uh. Yeah. That's not great. You're just gonna get kids who at best can't accept death, and at worse think that their loved one staying dead is their fault for not loving them enough. (ESPECIALLY now that we're moving into territory where the reviving isn't even explained via magic, just. "They're back now")

[@wandersoffdoodling]

(at 9:00) I have never seen that animation and frankly I am impressed by how thoroughly raya has managed to disappoint oakwyrm.

[@alexanderhamilton1026]

Honestly, the only modern Disney death fakeout I excuse personally is the Tangled one because A) It makes sense in context, B) It actually happens in the book it was based on, so....Fair. And C) Look, he deserved to live. I will take any excuse for that to happen

[@quasi8180]

Also.Flynn said he was gonna die in like the first scentence of the movie so literally everyone knew it was coming

[@VenhedisKaffas]

It says something when, back when HTTYD2 played in Theaters, my best friend's mom said during the movie "Ah, so the Dragon is going to bring him back to life, right?" She was really convinced Dreamworks would pull the same moves as Disney there.

[@quasi8180]

Stoik is one of my favorite father characters in media and just a favorite character of mine from HTtYD as a whole his death practically killed me especially considering that Toothless did it by accident. When you consider he just found his wife again and the duet they did uh man that scene.

[@Lavend3rK0i]

I might just be biased because I can comfortably say Frozen 2 is my favorite movie of all time, but I didn't mind tbe fakeout so much because of how deep they went into Anna's grief. It not only just made me feel seen with depression, but later when my childhood dog passed it gave me a character I looked up to going through the same thing and how she coped with it. And yeah, you could say her grief was for nothing since they came back, but I'd say it helped her learn to not cling to them so tightly from fear because she got a better grasp on the idea that she would be okay without them, while also simultaneously helping her appreciate them. That message stayed intact and so I don't mind it.

[@thajocoth]

Pinocchio - The version I read in elementary school ended with Pinocchio as a donkey (though they used a term for donkey that I can't repeat here in a KZbin comment), the Pinocchio donkey being sold for use as an ordinary animal, and Geppetto having gone missing while out searching for him. It was a single short story in a compilation.

[@angelahull9064]

The 2nd and 3rd Cars movies each briefly but reverently dealt with the off screen death of Doc Hudson. And the whole movie "Up" is basically about dealing with and facing death as a part of living life.

[@TheNotverysocial]

The original *Pinocchio* tale had several cases of near death, but being a marionette got him out of it time and again.

[@CassidyParsell-rk7kx]

I have such a deep hatred of death fake outs. I want actual deaths something meaningful, but Disney has to throw that away. I'm OK with it sometimes, but come on, Disney, give me something that will make me cry for more than a second. LET PEOPLE DIE!!! LET ME CRY!

[@MiorPhoenix]

The first Disney movie that I saw where a main character died and the characters question it and admit that there was no explanation for it was Stitch Has A Glitch. Stitch dies, comes back, Pleakley asks, “How is it possible?”, and Jumba shrugs and responds, “It’s not.” They just roll with it. And this was before Tangled was released and it became a running trope.

[@caracaracat2958]

Oh my damm god, I freaking LOVE Bridge to Terabithia. I wathced it at least three to four times when I was younger and I still absolutely love this movie. The death scene always got me. Truly an under appreciated gem.

[@isauldron4337]

Live a live be like: you die forever Also there's actual brutal deaths in some disney movies The firefly in diana and the frog dies for good and reunites with his girlfriend In the black cauldron the monkey thing dies For good

[@gabeangel8104]

I think teaching kids that it's OK when people die because they will probably come back to life somehow again in all their favourite movies is really harmful because it makes it all the more difficult for them to accept that when they lose someone in real life that person is gone forever. I remember watching a video on KZbin where the dad of an autistic boy was talking about how they were really struggling to find a way to help him understand that his dead grandparent wasn't coming back because he was used to his electronic devices 'being dead' and then being able to recharge them or put new batteries in and they were working again so he thought being dead was a temporary state not a permanent one. He kept getting upset because his parents wouldn't take him to see his grandparent and each time they tried to explain that the grandparent was dead he would argue with the fact that she could 'come back now'. This is the same confusion that very young children will experience if all their favourite media tells them that nobody dies permanently but always comes back to life for a happy ever after! As distressing as it may be for kids to experience sad things happen in the stories they enjoy, part of the point of children's stories has always been to help them explore new subjects, learn things outside of their own experience, and practice things like empathy and emotions in controlled situations so that they are more ready for things that they will later come across in the real world. It's OK and good for stories to enter into things that are only possible in imagenation sometimes of course but when it turns into actively avoiding talking about a specific issue then we are doing the kids a disservice

[@dnub78]

When I was little, I used to think death was just passing out then waking up again. It was until my grandfather died that I realized the real effects of death.

[@Gabrielle-bb2zq]

In the fox and the hound, it's the same! In the original book, Chief, the old dog died at the train scene. But the filmmakers add a scene of him later treassure kids. I agree: fake deaths only serve to make the viewers sad and happy at the reveal. It is done agan and again and it's boring now.

[@sweetpea2604]

What I wish Tangled did was after Eugene gets stabbed Rapunzel does heal him then as Mother Gothel demands she go with her Rapunzel instead makes an impactful speech about standing up to her & not letting Mother Gothel control her anymore & proceeds to cut off her hair herself. That way we wouldn’t have to waste time with watching Eugene die & suddenly get revived while still following the arc of Rapunzel learning to make her own decisions in life.

[@topaz_pie596]

Ok, not Disney, but I wanna mention dally/tripstin from wakfu. His first death was honestly devastating for me as a kid, especially since he was still dead by the end of the season, and at the start of season 2 he was STILL DEAD. in fact, there was a statue of him and you could see everyone still mourning, even though I believe the start of season 2 was set a few months after. His revival was really weak and even though I loved dally and it was cool that it gave the sword some lore, still reviving him was pretty weak. And then of course his *OTHER* two deaths, and by then it was weak and lazy. I dunno just wanted to mention that

[@NitroIndigo]

Do you think "subverting expectations" is a trend nowadays? I was just reading a forum thread about how modern Pokémon games have weaker plots because they've done a twist villain three times in a row (as in, three pairs of original games), and twist villains were in almost every Disney-owned CGI movie from the first half of the 2010s.

[@kal.august.yippee]

that is the time zone he is talking about, 2010s and up

[@gracereed3282]

They (disny) are going to give kids false expection of dead that they can come back to life

[@DevoteaSings]

I remember going out the movie theatre with my brother after HTTYD2 and being like: "There's no way he'll stay dxad, right?" and then he did. I was honestly surprised, back then, but it is Dreamworks.

[@Carmen-fw6gs]

Thank you, this is something that has been upseting me for a while and i have never seen someone talk about it. The last time I saw it was in amphibia, a beautiful series that for no reason!! Includes a very disturbing image just at the end of a season (it even had a warning) to let u waiting for the obvious revival. It also treats big wounds like they were nothing. I dont know it just shows kids that there are no consequences

[@xsweetiebloomx605]

I frickin love Amphibia but I absolutely agree, it could have been handled so much better

[@fixielle]

Movies like these make me less empathetic towars deaths which are to come in movies/series/games because I will just think "huh, they died, but soon will come back" and since that first shock is flattened, I won't feel it even after it is confirmed they really are dead now.

[@friend_trilobot]

Frozen 1 is very loosely based on the Snow Queen, by HC Anderson, and that scene is probably inspired by a very similar scene in the book, but the original isn't resurrecting death but only an enchanted state. .. basically, the heroine Gerda rescues her friend, Kai, from the spell of the Snow Queen - he isn't dead but they suggest he is literally black and blue all over from hypothermic damage but is oblivious to the horrors and pain of his current state and is doing a menial but impossible puzzle ad infinitum in a sort of trance state in the middle of her palace, which is just a frozen lakebed surrounded by walls of wind and snow, and he is completely restored by Gerda arriving and crying (warm) tears over him that melts his frozen heart and then saying she loves him (probably platonically as they were children and just fiends though it's implied they later love each other romantically). I'll add that there's no clear romantic attraction between the boy and the snow queen, and the snow queen is basically a personification of winter and hypothermia though i will say she is used as a symbol of a self centered hyper-rational lack of empathy that values your own cleverness over other people's suffering, and Gerda wins by showing him empathy despite him treating her like a Jerk (due to an enchantment) and then growing distant emotionally, before he is taken by the snow queen

[@camocat2038]

Fake out deaths can increase issues with the denial part of grief because if you're constantly told that if there's enough tragedy around a death etc. then it might not be real that doesn't align with reality. A family member died somewhat unexpectedly when I was 8 after I had been told he was just sick and would get better. I spent 2 years lowkey pretending that he was on a business trip because I could not get over the perceived unreality of someone who "wasn't supposed to die" dying.

[@scotthullinger4684]

"Death means nothing in Disney movies." - Yes indeed, and this is why Disney is truly shallow beyond measure in this day and age. A case of "nothing there."

[@anitanielsen1061]

LADY AND THE TRAMP WAS 1955 AND NOT THE 90s???? *fades away*

[@PipRLagenta]

I have been following the concept of the "Disney Death" for decades now...

[@arvidhansen5892]

I agree with all of your judgements, except big hero 6. In my opinion the Baymax fake-out, wasn't that bad, because it just ... makes so much sense? ?? i can't really describe it, but with baymax telling hiro he'll still be with him, meaning it completely literally, oblivious to the fact "i'll always be with you" has completely different implications, it just fits so well for the characters and it's hilarious in retrospect. Also it really didn't last THAT long and having the characters grieve so much because of a so ridiculous misunderstanding just fits the general tone of the movie.

[@emilyonizuka4698]

this reminds me of sixth grade when we read the bridge to terabithia (just before the movie came out), when the girl died my friend was like no but she'll come back. and we were like umm no I think she's just dead, but she was so adamant that she would come back because she's a main character and therefore can't die. but like, she just stayed dead and the boy had to deal with that and my friend was just gobsmacked.

[@anitanielsen1061]

1:57 Victor: “the list” Also Victor: *shows us a fucking spider-web*

[@ucjaromanczyk5623]

You forgot about one thing in fairy tales and most of Disney Princess movies refocused on basic fairy tales but sometimes with more colorful ending(for example in Chans Christian Andersen's Little Mermaid she die and lose everything so it is really dark and blue right? It was sacrifice but only by this poor mermaid/girl.And possibly no one knows about it except her end that sea witch who Disney call Ursula( also it was really good maneuver to give all of them names, deep and hot up the action!.) Opositive to Disney's end when all evil was a crush and Ariel and Eric sacrifice for each other and her father was there so he can see it and finally understand that they truly love each other and deserve for being together despite all the deferences that they need to be together! Just like in Tinkerbell which you made a beautiful video( respect for it!)and in The Lion King 2( for me 3)or Beauty and the Beast or Pocahontas. Also, understand her daughter's love for man life and need to be free!. And make it up for her! Isn't that prodigious?!! Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that Andersen or Grims fairy tales or another literature classics are bad but sometimes are just too: complicated, tragic and heart-damaged! Especially for young, sensitive recipients! And in most even traditional fairy tales, love or other goodness always wins!By the way they actually not to try destroy the tenet of Pulchra Mortis but rather try to remains people to never forget about our future Body Resurrection! To Faith in God Providence who Be Awake Longest Than Forever!!! Take care of Us signers! And it is Miraculous!!! That's what you forgot or miss and it is extremely important!!! That is my opinion and I' m not intend change, hide or shy of it!!!!

[@ucjaromanczyk5623]

I can give you more examples: Lilou and Stich 2 , Bambi 2,Hundback of Notre Dame, Finding Nemo and Dory(For me Pixar is Disney too) Braveand so much more! But If you love death so much watch the Brother Bear or Bambi or Bernard and Bianca or Black Cauldron or maybe Frankenweenie or Miss Pergrine house or Edwart with Scissorshands orCourse Bridge,Adams Family or , Dark Shadless! Even Sweeney Todd if it not disgust and frittend you! there was a lot of: dark, blood, death , lost and tragic! But Watch out to not get on dark side of power watching or reading to much of that! It is very easy to go into it but really hard to get back on shine way again!!!!

[@ucjaromanczyk5623]

In reminding another example of gorgeous Disney movie about death'Good Dinosaur '. Truly recommend!😍😇😊

[@skyhideaway]

The thing that bothers me so much more is that these characters seem to have no trauma from literally dying and being resurrected. I mean, surely that has to give you some sort of trauma and crisis. But no, they hug and cry for 5 seconds, and they're all okay. Same applies to near-death experiences or a lot of events not necessarily connected to death that are sure to cause trauma. Some movies handle it well, like Encanto, but that's the most recent one. I have this problem with certain cartoon shows as well, like Amphibia. Another thing that I've always wondered about is that.. The Beast was dying from a stab wound. He was stabbed fatally by Gaston, how did the undoing of the curse also heal that wound? Even if it wasn't fatal and he was just dying because of the curse, his human body would still have the wound, right? I don't think Disney has shied away from showing wounds or injuries so i don't get the logic behind his wound magically healing.

[@lei_9222]

spoilers for the heroes of olympus books, but at the end of the last book, they do a fakeout death with one of the main characters. the thing is, I feel it was kinda obvious that he'd come back, for multiple reasons, but nonetheless, it was a fakeout. at the very end of the book, it ends with the pov of his friends, with them saying they miss the character, even tho it was revealed earlier that he's alive. i guess this was supposed to be use as advertising for the new series trials of apollo, where the previously dead main character does reunite with his friends. i guess this fakeout could've been handled worse, like we don't get any confirmation that he's alive and we're left on a cliffhanger and are just as clueless as the other characters.

[@cocobeebunnied7371]

I love it when characters think a character is dead or a character almost dies if done correctly because I’m a sucker for angst but also an even bigger sucker for a good ending however the Disney death fake out really has removed almost if not all meaning in any possible death in moves in general since it’s just been spreading.

[@LCCWPresents]

My biggest grip is the political soulution of unification being the solution or end goal towards a better world. Like each of the states being so regional separate after 300 years would remain multiple grudge matches between the various regions. Think of modern Ethoipia where while the country was reunited in the 1800s, it was at the cost of the regional autonomy of the Oromo, southern nations, somoli, afar, and other regions from the Amharic and Tigrayana areas. On top of Eritrean independence moments being common when the Ethoipian empire retook the coast in the 1950s all the way until the derg lost control of the government in the 1990s.

[@StoryTeller796]

0:16 I teeter between excitement for films because I am trying to learn to be more optimistic and complete boredom because of my depression, general neurotic mistrust in cartoons because of how I was exposed to how stupid they can be and because of how many videos I watched that both criticized and praised films to the point where I sometimes just decide that it literally does not matter because they are just films and we need to learn how to either deal with them and how to appreciate them, or that everyone just has their own personal taste (which little note here, my tastes were constantly treated as not true because I usually construe things to how I personally see them until I eventually am proven wrong about them and can learn to accept that I was wrong), or more reasons that I would be making an entire list that I do not think with my puny, KZbin drugged mortal mind that I can list them all. So, anyway yeah. I agree Disney should start to give death more finality from time to time. Though I've always kind of liked the fact that death didn't mean anything, probably cause I've never read a story that compelled me with a more finality to death because again, depression is unfair. Though I mean, when a company repeats the same thing over and over again and expects everyone to feel like it's brand new, that's insanity.

[@zilesis1]

I'm not sure you can really count Stoic in HTTYD? while he was a main character, he's still "the parent" and those get killed off all the time i kids movies. Tbh, his death was inevitable once the mom got introduced, since it seems to be an un-written rule that no childrens' movie protagonists can have a functional family with 2 parents

[@thewitchescatt]

I think that the dragons were doing some magical ritual to bring back sisu as a sign of gratitude. because it was her lesson about trust, her teachings to raya and subsequently rayas teachings to the whole group. so they brought her back through water magic or some shit as a sign of gratefulness because without sisu, the entire world would be turned to stone.

[@Jemini4228]

Also I don't think fake outs are always bad because there is story and emotional value in seeing how the other characters react and their feelings not knowing what we do. To take the Jungle Book example it gives us a chance to see Bagheera's true warm feelings about Baloo having berated him for most of their shared screentime.

[@avivastudios2311]

True. There's the feelings and actions of the people around them that make it work. Like how in Kungfu Panda we see that Po truly cares about Shifu after all they've been thu. It also gives us a great joke.

[@BlackKitsune_05]

How to train your dragon is the best movie, like really

[@nightshade2826]

Damn you need more subs this video was great

[@avivastudios2311]

Raya and the Last Dragon was the stupidest fake-out death ever conceived. Not to mention the reason she dies was just pointless and awful. Namari knew that if she killed that dragon something bad would happen right. She IS a dragon nerd! It was literally just done to kick-start the climax and that's literally it.

[@wheelchairsinanimation8623]

I've attached a clip of this video to my Instagram @wheelchairsinanimation because I think it's really good, hope that's okay!

[@Oakwyrm]

Oh yeah absolutely, I'm glad you liked it ^^

[@wheelchairsinanimation8623]

@@Oakwyrm :) I'm hoping to make some more videos of my own soon, is it okay if I link some of your videos in their description as you've covered some great stuff and I don't want to just retread things you've already said!

[@Oakwyrm]

I'm absolutely fine with that, and I wish you luck with your own videos

[@wheelchairsinanimation8623]

@@Oakwyrm Thank you!

[@igotayo6300]

'Death means nothing to Disney' Soul: hold my beer

[@charlie8829]

Even than it’s Pixar and none of the important characters stayed dead.

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

Pinocchio died in the original book, it was retconned into a fakeout for the sequel. The original book was a fable, a cautionary tale about not being a self-centered jerk - as such, Pinocchio was effectively the villain.

[@MiorPhoenix]

I have an OC that I was planning to kill off in her storyline instead of doing the death fake out. But I was told to resurrect her and give her a happy ending.

[@AtarahDerek]

Death means nothing in fantasy/sci-fi. It's not just Disney. Disney does a lot of fantasy stories, and from the very beginning with Snow White, they've preferred fantasy in part because it can be and typically is written to have a reset button. The good guys get resurrected because they deserve it. It feels good. When Disney does avert this trope, it shocks everyone. Ray from PatF being one example. What they could've done with Sisu, perhaps, is have Namaari grab her gem fragment, then scramble down to find Sisu on the brink of death, the river already draining and the Druun approaching. Then have Namaari actually throw Sisu to the Druun, as that puts her in stasis, but also further cements in the others' minds that Namaari is a villain, even though she's trying to preserve Sisu. I do think Sisu needed to live. She was chosen to be an ambassador, and she needs to remain one. But there was a better way to save her than what they chose.

[@GuineaPig361]

Not to mention they already set up Sisu being able to turn herself into water in times of peril; they could've just taken advantage of that.

[@iclynnx]

I didn't even realize how stupid it was for Sisu to come back. You have a very good point. While her dying would have made Namari and Raya's sudden trust even worse, that was a true deus ex machina. Even then, when Raya placed her trust in Namari, they all thought she was gone forever. It wasn't earned at all. The message of the movie is all "trust" and not "trust people who give you love". Namari may have had her reasons, and had potential to redeem herself the entire time, but Raya didn't know all of that, if any. Even just one scene where Namari gave the slightest sign in front of Raya that she didn't want to fight anymore would have helped. I've had my trust broken a couple times, so it's kinda upsetting to be told to just try to open up to everyone and hope they're good people deep inside.

[@astrovoid9393]

Would gravity falls be counted in the fake out death category with Stan? He didn't really die but he had all his memories erased and it was a really sad scene that was portrayed as a death, but then his memories came back.

[@quasi8180]

Esmerelda from hunchback was a fake out

[@cayladettra7218]

Adding to the list: Jungle Cruise (2021) *Spoilers Included* In this movie, you believe that Frank's dead after being stabbed in the heart and falling off a cliff into the river below. But no, he comes right back with the sword still in his heart. Disney tried to justify this by saying that Frank had a curse that would bind him to some river in the Amazon Rainforest. However, that doesn't change the fact that I was mad when I saw this fake-out death.

[@anitanielsen1061]

ROBIN WAS 1973????

[@anitanielsen1061]

Sorry, I had to skip over Raya😅

[@minngael]

A more general thought on American vs. British (& likely other European) children's literature & related media- I've long found it interesting how British (& likely other European) children's literature & related media is much darker than American with death being more normalized, as well as the theme of adults not always being trustworthy (& sometimes abusive/neglectful- Roald Dahl is a good example of this), the influence of both World Wars is I think a big influence, American culture has a sort of forced happiness that denies death & the dark side of life, in a rather creepy & unhealthy way & sweeps uncomfortable things under the rug, especially around children. Disney is an extreme example of this tendency, perhaps they've accelerated this in response to things like shootings in schools? That's probably too deep for them.

[@elenagauci3733]

I don't even cry or get upset anymore in movies, especially Marvel and Disney because I think there going to come back or there is going to be some other media with them in it. I still don't think Wanda is dead or not going to come in from another universe.

[@rainbowshinelove1208]

...Sisu is a *WATER* dragon. So long as *WATER* exists and the rest of her species is brought back the magic held IN the *WATER* dragons is also capable of returning Sisu to a state of life. *Water and Water Dragons bring life, while the drunn snuff it out* It was inevitable that Sisu would be brought back.

[@quasi8180]

Death is just apart of life I hate that it gets sugar coated so much as someone whose been surrounded death and whose grandmother may or may not die of covid it doesnt really affect me all that much cause its either desensatised or sugar coated to the point where Im not sure what to feel.

[@MiorPhoenix]

Would anyone call Tinker Bell’s death in the 2003 Peter Pan part of the death fake out trope since she is brought back to life? It is by definition, isn’t it?

[@cj-bi7hz]

for me personally i liked that they faked out baymax death in big hero six because i felt like it helped even out the tone of the movie. but also, i loved tadashi and i loved baymax so im definitley biased

[@pretzelcat581]

What I hate about Sisu’s death revival is that there was POTENTIAL to make it make sense. In the movie each of the dragon powers are based around properties of water (glowing, shape shifting, fog, rain). Maybe Sisu’s power could’ve been based around the idea of immortality or healing. Healing, although being a little more mystical than the others, would have actual bearing on the goal of the movie to revive those killed by the Drune, even if only symbolically. But this is never called attention to and even if it was the attention of the creators to imply this, the fact that you have to search for it, which most little kids probably won’t end up doing, just makes it feel like a missed opportunity.

[@VillagerCometh]

I mean, Eugene's case was a pass for me, since he might've been alive and Rupunzel's tear had the power left to heal so yeah, I don't feel like complaining at all. Everything after and including Big Hero 6 death bothers me though. And like you said, when it repeats, it makes it seem like "Death means nothing in Disney" like you said. This video was an interesting perspective!

[@mutatedalienrabbit8586]

I think something is wrong with me i've never cried once for a death let it be family, a pet, a movie character or a friend never

[@johnvinals7423]

I actually like Raya a lot, by the way.

[@lahlybird895]

And then encanto happened

[@spartan7021]

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[@rhondahoward8025]

If you think Disney movies are bad with fake-out deaths, you're not ready for One Piece.

[@nj.7325]

Not entirely sure about sisu's case because I'm south asian and she's supposed to be based on SEA's naga dragons which must be slightly different to ours - and I agree the death fakeout was done badly in the movie - but naga are sometimes able to be reborn or change form, usually in a new advanced form depending on the type of dragon they are, and the karmic (life!) cycle does apply to them so maybe that has more to do with the spirituality side?

[@SqualorOpera]

Frozen was WHEN

[@laurawilson5666]

Thing is in both Frozen movies they actual did die for a time.

[@elenagauci3733]

I don't even cry or get upset anymore in movies, especially Marvel and Disney because I think there going to come back or there is going to be some other media with them in it. I still don't think Wanda is dead or not going to come in from another universe.