Death of Hope | Animation Breakdown

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[@thashadowspawn]

Hold up now. I was the one who partnered with an Animator Mark L. Sparks to create Death of Hope and he screwed us on various levels. Their are interviews of Mark talking to other KZbinrs about how I came to him to get this project created and that he liked the story and idea that I had for this. And the fact that I was connected to different black Library authors and forge World writer Alan B. who was my mentor who unfortunately did not get to see Death of Hope before he died of cancer. Which is why in the opening trailer / episode it says dedicated to Alan. Mark decided that he was going to use death of Hope to launch his Fame within the community even though he was already working for Coalition Studios AKA Gears of War. Mark would not listen to my counsel and decided that he wanted to argue with a lot of fans and people on social media on various platforms and violating some of games workshops basic license agreements and conduct of interactions with other people was given a legal letter to stop working on the Project. Mark did not care apologize and then basically said effort I'm going to do what I want to do since I'm the lead animator and took the credit for being the director writer concept artist which he did do all of the digital artwork and animation and rigging but when it comes to the storyline and the original concept of everything that was me when they came to went to contact different voice actors and people of social media that was me when it came to getting the green light from black library to move forward that was me, when it came to contacting chapter Master Valrak to play the voice of the Imperial fish tech Marine that was me, there were other people on KZbin who asked me not to speak about their names who are a part of the community and I will respect that. Mark decided that he was going to then take death of Hope in a different direction and after working on the episode that had my scene with the woman in the baby who's collected by miracle Mark and I part ways after Twitter and the Warhammer Community imploded due to his choice of attacking the fandom because he doesn't like change. There was a contract that I was working towards us getting with Gabe's workshop and their entertainment department but unfortunately because Mark likes to argue with people we lost out on that. Death of Hope originally was going to be a four to eight episode miniseries of short stories taking place on that particular planet with members of different legions making an appearance along with different humans to fill out the gaps and create intricate storyline and character development. It was a love letter to the Hobby for the fans by the fans. It was also used to show against workshop that enough is enough stop dropping the ball and give some good loving quality to the hobby. Which when we did that it did cause a stir. It also calls them to raise the bar of their quality within their marketing and digital Outlook of things within the community and their future projects moving forward. There was also a great influence of our trailer that influence the cinematic opening of Battlefleet Gothic 2 which a few people made a video showing side by side comparison shots of our stuff that came out first and then we see the later Battle Fleet Gothic 2 opening next to ours. It is sad how things turned out because we could have been making really great animations for the hobby for the fans and paying tribute to the Legacy that Andy Chambers and many others laid the foundation for. Honestly no one likes to be betrayed by someone who they consider to not only be your friend but to be your brother to flip the table from underneath you with the project and say "f it all I'm going to do what I wanted no one can stop me and if GW tells me to stop that oh well I'm just going to move on to my own personal projects like I have planned to !" Which is what Mark did then after a while as we were originally showing people this is what you can do when you have people who not only love the hobby but want to make something good and this is with literally little to no budget. If we had a budget then there's a lot of other animators and people that I would have loved to bring on who would have had a more professional Outlook and ethics of work but I put my trust into a friend who eventually screwed us over. It wasn't just Games workshop putting their foot down on the indie animation field because Games workshop has hired a lot of the people who were making various indie projects and dedication to Games workshop which unfortunately we missed out on that opportunity due to bad business practice and egos of someone went to claim all the work for themself. As to which I'm happy that I did not give him the scripts and ideas for the other four projects that I was asked to work on by select members of Black Library Lion friends with and other people in the hobby and the hobby community at large that I know personally. My biggest regret is that Alan did not get to see what he said he wanted to see before he died of cancer. He was a great mentor a wonderful person and amazing writer who is missed by many. I'm happy that a lot of people are enjoying the death of Hope work that was done but there is a lot of behind the scenes things that the puppet does not know I myself was told by select individuals to walk away from the project so that in the future I can work on certain other things properly. I also want to thank you for featuring this on your channel and the time that you put into making not only this video but all of the videos that you make and you're positive influence and support to the community at Large. Your breakdowns of all of your videos is something that I enjoy and look forward to and how you share a hobby and a positive sense cheers to you good sir. And you will continue to have my support along with many other people's support for years to come. Also cheers to your attention to detail and your pacing not just because of making sure that the videos don't get taken down but your breakdown of a lot of videos is very key and I am now going to watch the rest of your video because I had to stop at literally 50 seconds into this video to make this post to speak out once again publicly about what happened with this project that I worked on with other people and a story that I was developing in which unfortunately like the imperium was betrayed. Imagine you're the crater and producer of a project and you get listed only as the lower master and a voice actor in your own project this is why I've gone back to only working on official projects for various IPs. I'm sure that Mark will eventually make his counter comment post response to this and probably some of his other friends who he has told other things too but again the evidence is already there there are other interviews that has been done over the years with other KZbinrs and even brother Chapter Master Valrak knows this as I spoke to him about this years ago after asking him to be apart of my project. Regardless I wish Mark and his wife a good life we had a golden opportunity, sometimes she hit sometimes you miss. Major Life Lesson learned on my part, Cheers .

[@thashadowspawn]

I also want to speak on something on as I said attention to detail which is something that Mark and I bonded on. One of the major things that we needed to get across to the public was showing attention to detail on a scale that respected the Lord and respected the artwork of not just the first generation of 40K but onwards to the current. Using a lot of the original artwork from back in the day all the way up to the forge World Books was key to design of the various characters all of the weapons the War gear as we like to call it all of the vehicles the architecture of the buildings in the environments had to be organic and 100% Grim dark in the Sci-Fi setting. Which is something that was greatly lacking in a lot of the other projects and animations that we saw over the years though dawn of War 2 in many ways was a great example along with the first Space Marine game that was brought out the attention to detail was Top notch and has been improved on which as we can see in the new space between two game that's going to be coming out the attention to detail is strong. And we wanted to show respect to that foundation. Versus a watering down of that which shows laziness on the part of other projects no names needed Norris's an attack on other creatives of GW in the past this is showing again I love for the standard being raised on a level that wasn't seen before. Cheers to the guy who did the Lord Inquisitor project and the Astartes project. They in many ways of carrying the torch along with all the other people that's a part of the Warhammer entertainment department for digital media. Another thing that I would add is showing the details in the models which Mark did spend a lot of time on I believe in giving people respect words due the codex artwork from the previous editions was also used as a standard because who wouldn't like to see the codexes brought to life and beautiful rendered animation which was one of the main goals and why I saw him out as an animator in the first place. Also as a hobbyist I wanted to see these things and I still want to see these things on a grand scale. Some people it's not a lot of people love to Terminator scene showing the weight of the terminators walking yet still being agile was important and that was something that we didn't really get to see and previous Warhammer media even in the video games we still didn't really get to see the weight of the terminators when they walked and fought. Getting the vultures to sound good was important which is why a particular sound engineer who also did the soundtrack was brought in, a very cool brother. Also for people who enjoy reading the black Library novels and other key thing is that we wanted to show the speed and Power of the Space Marines in their power armor doing what they do best. And that is what you got. Again all of the details and things that we brought into the storyline the character designs the set designs the music and the battles was to raise the bar and show that the hobby that we love can look absolutely epic and amazing if the right people are brought in to work on a project versus getting a quick cash grab like Hollywood likes to do which unfortunately especially as of late Hollywood has been dropping the ball a lot lately with a lot of action and sci-fi and fantasy spending hundreds of millions of dollars and they could have produced much better quality stuff. Cheers!

[@gigglehurtz3167]

@@thashadowspawn yeeeeeeesh buddy paragraphs.

[@johnjoobooks]

Wow man, thank you for sharing! That's some amazing story... Sorry it happened the way it did - I believe we all would love to see such amazing work continued! I want to thank you and the rest of the team that worked on that -- the detail, attention and thought that was put into this shows in every aspect. This and Astartes are the only two sources that -- to my taste -- show how Space Marines would look like fighting in reality. Speed, agility, horrible strength and scary, lethal efficiency -- that was captured SO well, especially in battle scene with Ultramarine with power sword. The use of sword itself was terrific as well - I believe its really a first time that it shown as intended, as cutting-all weapon, instead of glowing baton everybody else make it, for some reason. Grimdark also superior here, with some scenes shocked even me, with 40 years of movies and games under the belt. Tasteful, horrible and masterfully crated. Thank you

[@incredibleplump]

@@thashadowspawn i aint reading all that.

[@sph1988]

This really does explain ALOT, always thought it was weird how the whole situation felt more like Mark throwing a tantrum than anything else.

[@philmariop]

Spark's work is perhaps the grimmest depiction. The books, games, and most of the other fan animations are "clean". This shows the hate and depravity worthy of something born in the 80s.

[@burnheretic3950]

Some of the books match this perfectly.

[@gshoots4357]

The books are not 'clean', every single word bearers book, especially from the horus heresy novels have a huge amount of depravity. Then you could ramp it up and have a look at the emperor's children..... I mean they gang raped thier own father to try and get a demon out of him.

[@Accolon12]

​@@burnheretic3950could you give some examples?

[@burnheretic3950]

@@Accolon12 just off the top of my head the Soulhunter series (Night Lords). But there are a bunch.

[@nomindsyndicate5167]

Rogue Trader son

[@cwaltz8923]

If you permit me..: Like any fan base, 40k fans eat their own. Mark’s only “heresy” was in stating his belief his art/animations/concepts were a more true and grimdark version of any 40k animation. As what Rick Priestly originally envisioned 40k with RT. On this assertion, Mark was correct. Yet, the vitriolic fan comments on disputing “grimdark” revealed the worst in many. What sets Mark’s work apart from so many others, even Astartes, is his lavish details to everything. Armor types are rendered as they should be; highly individualized pieces of art that represented why they would be salvaged (if possible) and prized by their chapter; passed from neophyte to neophyte as relics. When you watch other 40k animations the armor looks plainly “vanilla” in contrast to Mark’s careful love and attention on every Mark variant and chapter. Mark was a true student of early 40k and the absolutely stunning terminator is evidence of the pondering scale, which predated what terminators would later evolve to with Space Hulk. Mark shows what models he drew inspiration from. His work continues to set the bar, particularly in an age of “woke” where most animators and studios would bow to Bob Igor. 30/40k was always about grappling with the madness in all of us, which birthed Slaneesh and continues to fuel to warp - madness and raw emotion given form and mankind’s efforts to rise above it. Mark captures the scale and terror of that madness better than most. Thx.

[@dantauche7917]

1000000000%. Dead on.

[@Negan-lo7yr]

Agreed. Thank you for your input.

[@dpmaspam]

the other 40k animations have vanilla armour as in 30k they all had personalised armour with individual touches, after the HH the codex was written by RG and everything had to be more uniform. I would rather watch marks vision of 30k than any other vid or animation

[@necrosteel5013]

That whole "fans eating their own" is typical of all communities that surround anything, that is after all the core basis of a culture, a set of ideas, works and beliefs. Warhammer is big enough both in community and variations in ideas to actually cause strife and division to occur since it is inevitable that those different ideals will eventually clash hard. Remember "female space marines" That is a strong example of what I mean. Female space marines go against many of the things that astartes represented in the minds of many fans. The astartes are an embodiment of warrior gods, An icon of masculinity. In Christianity, god has no gender but is always referred to as a "he". The reason is that "God" Is idealized as a "warrior". There are many philosophies that hold and bind masculinity to a strong "warrior culture". It's impact lasts even today and will probably never be severed since men themselves will probably never disassociate from some form of Warrior culture. Women on the other hand, absolutely despise many aspects that are core to warrior cultures. Things like strength, aggression, simplicity, violent defiance to tyranny, true independence, repentance, rationality to the point of disregarding emotions, devotion to icons of those ideas. Sub consciously, any guy who resonates with this spirit tends to dislike their deities being defaced and defiled for petty reasons like "tolerance" And "inclusion" That run counter to it. You do not make a God or angel bend to you You must bend and show respect to the angel/god you depict.

[@UrsusSuperior44]

​​@@necrosteel5013 I don't have qualms with the rest of the comment but as someone who studied many faiths (not seeking a belief but rather pure curiosity) I've got to protest the notion that somehow Christianity's God is male because of any "warrior" archetypes bearing influence God, main gods of polytheistic pantheons and generally "the top dog" of any faith is male because of much more core characteristics. It's because of God being posited as a creator and the one who gives, He is considered male. It goes all the way to each and every cultural spin on yin and yang. Giver vs receiver Active vs passive The one who subdues vs subdued Provider vs the one that benefits So on and so forth. God being the creator of the world, the one who gifted life, instituted and enforced his order of things, and demands obedience in return for spiritual rewards. That's more of a reason. In majority of cases any "warrior" connotations regarding most such deities is a consequence of them being male, not a reason of them being perceived as male.

[@Joshua-me7fx]

Not only is this a phenomenal animation, its the only one I've watched with matching voice acting that fits what I imagine Space Marines to sound like. As genetically modified as they are, id imagine deep booming voices, just an extra detail to draw you into the world.

[@creon3866]

Some of the shots are literally stolen from the trailer of Space Marine 2 just reskinned models

[@bagdaduk]

This came out before Space Marie 2. Like about 3 years ago.

[@captaincoolbreeze9429]

@@creon3866 This came out way before any Space Marine 2 trailers.

[@jinbreaker5440]

​@@creon3866u trolling bro ?

[@URKCEHinoSuu]

​@@creon3866haha cry more

[@wiggy5209]

This is true 30k, this is what was envisioned ..a great work built by one dedicated man

[@bryan...5047]

Yes finally someone who understands this, 30K was unlike anything ever seen in 40k even though it may not look like much of a difference but this is what 30K was like and what was described before the whole heresy started and ended, the Astartes look manganous in here with a roman / greek style esc armour patterns with the most beautiful artwork, with gold inlays on their armour and the whole package this is what the Emperor envisoned the astartes to look like or look like in each legion respected culture or probably not but still these are good looking warriors, it just look so cool man the guy who made this should be given his own studio and permission by Games workshop to make more of these.

[@V.B.Squire]

32:30 where did the servitor rebel how did I miss that

[@dantauche7917]

It is SUCH a shame Mark never continued this series.

[@Wayoutthere]

He became utterly disillusioned with GW and some toxic viewers, can't blame him.

[@burnheretic3950]

​@@Wayouttherewhich is crazy that anyone had anything negative to say. This was epic.

[@zionchar11]

@@burnheretic3950 some 40k fans are way too toxic, never get appeased by anything, which they could barely REMOTELY do. They have become their own zealots

[@esaedvik]

@@zionchar11 GW is also toxic af

[@user-uf5vi5mg9e]

@@Wayoutthere The GW part is understandable. If they come at you with copyright, you re screwed. But i ll never understand the toxic viewers part. It is the internet after all. If you gather attention in any kind of genre, you ll meet all kinds of persons online. And especially in a genre like 40k there will be lots of toxic smartass keyboard warrior nerds. Like on Reddit they are very outspoken about their "professional" opinion and try to take the creations of others apart. Even tho most of these people suck ass when it comes to creating something on their own. Mark did the mistake to waste energy by going into keyboard fights with such people. People you should give zero fucks about and just continue with your great project the vast majority of fans is absolutely hyped around. Shame that his skin wasnt thick enough, which it should be online.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

Out of everything, the mother fused to her child still freaks me out the most...

[@asdf9890]

I don’t even have kids, but watching and noticing how a real mother bonds with a child, this is a horrifying outcome for her.

[@finalgirl640]

Yeah, as a mother in real life that part gets me too.

[@Fearsome_Gonad]

That fucked me up.

[@Mthammere2010]

Explains the series fate... Apparently even God disapproved the unveiling of such: Monsterousness.

[@houseadams4841]

Agreed… Disturbing, unsettling… still makes me feel uneasy. Especially as a father

[@ScooBdont]

I’ve seen a version of this with translations of what the cultist humans were saying when they’re walking through the halls. It definitely added some needed clarity. I appreciate the details/info you added. It’s like a quandary wrapped in an enigma based on a conundrum that’s told as a parable 😆

[@gustavbergstrom4917]

Where did you find a translated version?

[@ScooBdont]

@@gustavbergstrom4917 Watched it on YT

[@s3b0seban69]

​@gustavbergstrom4917 where do ypu evek find the original

[@notownsavage2024]

This is the true grimdark of the heresy and shows how chaotic chaos really is, scary and disturbing beyond regular imagination! This is a masterpiece of detail. Thanks again!

[@mk13ultra4th]

Where this animation project excels is in the depiction of the bulky yet intricate Astartes armor. Every set and every mark is beautiful and has these perfect Kopinski/Smith proportions.

[@3-2bravo49]

Kind of trips me out that I have been in to this since 1998 when I was about to turn nine. Now I am 34 and still love it.

[@T0tenkampf]

yeah, I first played Rogue Trader in the early 80s I think...My poor Squats weapons teams

[@3-2bravo49]

@T0tenkampf holy crap do you still have those lol? When did they stop producing those Lil guys anyway? Reminds me of one of my uncles. I found out that he collected and played the old school warhammer around the same time I started getting in to 40k, but I thought 40k was so much cooler. I think he played with skaven

[@gigeorge6sic6]

That was really awesome . Love the attention to detail of the armor. Wish we would’ve gotten more episodes of this .

[@BigguzCaptainBogz]

I remember watching death of hope, its one of the fan animations that got me into Warhammer

[@Negan-lo7yr]

I've watched Death of Hope by Mark Louis Spark 100 times, no joke. It's a masterpiece.

[@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886]

This is one of the OG's of the 40k Fan community animation renaissance. We were there to see it happen.

[@robertross5201]

I actually enjoyed this piece when it first came; the very density was a huge attraction as it reminded me of the novels that inspired it, really brought it all to life

[@self-trainedmegaman8580]

The OG terminator armor was a nice touch. And I loved how eerie the lifeless forms of the boarding party were still stuck to the hull by their mag lock boots! So much was told in that little segment! Man! I love and hate the heresy! It’s so ugly and sad! And the traitors are so bad! But it helps you appreciate those within the traitor legions that stayed loyal due to knowing what was right! I mean one of the first members of the deathwatch was a member of the death guard!

[@TheColosiss]

The G man became so angry from the betrayal that he carved a path through the vacuum of space...

[@consonaadversapars]

Death of Hope is still the best depiction of WH30/40k. 👌

[@wigligigly3375]

having watched both the DoH episodes and pretty much everything related to the project, my soul was crushed knowing that such a talented animator had his amazing animation canceled for practically no reason.

[@juggernautdriveSS]

Someone needs to continue this animation. Imagine a full series on the horus heresy with this animation. It would single handedly be the greatest creation of all time

[@flonkplonk1649]

"Someone" lol you know how much detail is needed to continue the style and how long "someone" had to work (given the skill in the first place) nonstop for some seconds alone?

[@macklee6837]

That was incredible! The pit fight tho, wow

[@Ave_Christus_Rex37]

"GOD was real, and He hated us" The Emperor: HOW THE F#@K DID YOU LEARN NOTHING?? IM NOT A GOOOODDDDD!!!!!

[@creon3866]

I’m not a gooood I’m a baaaaad

[@thesleekgreek]

Best animation ever produced

[@flonkplonk1649]

True!

[@madskillz1one]

the voice acting is phenomenal.this is amazing

[@myflatlineconstruct]

Loved this art when he first published. The first visualization of 40k that wasnt turning away from the ugly. The author gets it. Theres a pretty small audience for this level of violence. I could see this as just a start of a "Hostel level" series. Id need to hype myself up, jump up and down a bit to strap in but im in.

[@unclesam5230]

The first time I’ve seen the proper display of the true monstrous form that the Astartes are

[@finalgirl640]

I really wish this could have been taken farther. It perfectly depicts the desperation and darkness of this universe, like nothing else I've ever seen.

[@The_Foolish_Fool]

Such a good look at the dark side of the Horus Heresy, such a shame that Mark Louis Spark was so butthurt by criticism. I mean as an artist you have to be numb to that kinda thing. That said he was so true to the lore in this animation that I really overlooked the jankiness of some parts, like the khornate hound's model and sounds.

[@xsjado_anon]

I was told part of it was an excuse to avoid dealing with GW, he was a bit butthurt, but he used that to quit without creating negative feedback for GW and raising their ire. That said, this is still my favourite animation of all, and captures a darkness and depth to the lore and universe that nobody else even comes close to - i love the small things, like the series of voices at the start of the main video, they capture my imagination and whisk me away to far off universes, the things they say build up the way of thinking inherent to such a place. I love it so much

[@bagdaduk]

the problem with death of hope was the story telling, as some times it was hard to follow what's going on. I had to watch it 3 times in the past to get it, especially who is fighting who. But regarding the ultra marine who killed two mortal servants of the dark gods who had his hands band together in that cell. I was under the impression he killed the other word bearer's who wanted his armor and was able to set free his comrade whom had the roman style head crest. Hence the alarm we heard at the end. IDK what do you think

[@johnjoobooks]

I really want to believe so, especially since Ultramarines are my chapter. He seems like a good hero to follow through that horrible place

[@bagdaduk]

@@johnjoobooks it would make more sense. And as good as the voice acting is, sometimes it's hard to tell them apart by voice alone as the sound similar. But the voice of the world bearer who wanted the space Marie's armor is different to the ultra marine who see see at the end. So I'm guessing they are not the same person

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

The ultramarines actually look pretty cool in this. They don't just look generically blue, but actually fully lean into the greco roman god theme

[@zmanhill]

there's a fmv of this and it's absolute great, the music choice was perfect

[@thetalantonx]

I love your breakdowns and summaries and you have a great narrative style. Have you written any original fan content for WH40K?

[@Counterpoints]

Working on one right now tbh

[@inquisitorvuln]

Watching your reactions, I could tell there were some scenes that even you- a lover of grimdark and scifi war- were uncomfortable with. This was such a great project idea, a shame it didn't finish.

[@alvarolara2438]

We really need more of this!

[@houseadams4841]

Yeah.. I watched this pretty early on in my Warhammer journey… It was definitely part of what got me hooked…. But I had basically no idea what was happening and knew I had some serious knowledge to start learning.

[@jamilvints]

#2 on my Warhammer films. #1 Astartes of course

[@Acesahn]

I adored this animation. Sure I needed to watch a lore video like this one to explain everything I saw but after I did... I was blown away a 2nd time. I still will watch it and just drink it in. 'It' being the horror lol

[@mitchelljohnson559]

Watching this evokes the brutal side of fighting like at 10 minutes between 11 it shows battle brothers. And also when people are being tormented by the warp is a classic, brought on by Tzeentch 21:50 to make them corrupt I guess.

[@carljhirst]

This IS Awesome Grimdark!!!

[@sketchpledge2653]

crazy how 1 man/small team bros put out cooler shit than GW

[@johnjoobooks]

This portray of 40k is what I imagined when I first saw the design of units, read the 1st books and got into the universe. Very, very dark, cruel, scary in most adult, un-apologetic way possible. Glad someone shares that vision with me, since GW long left it and moved to stuff suited for kids

[@alantello7768]

this is how i imagined a grimdark universe. cold, unpleasant, uneasy, weird, and dark.

[@cwbynnjavkng8116]

thanka for covering this

[@dessert506]

I like the depiction of just how tough shit is, not many people going down in one shot

[@ollie9199]

I do believe this is the first time we’ve seen a relic terminator animated at 17:52

[@scrappysam]

where can i find this? i keep seeing warhammer animations tagged with warhammer+ which i have but i can’t find any of them

[@Counterpoints]

If it’s not on Warhammer tv there’s a 99% chance it’s a fan animation on KZbin and you can just take the title and search it

[@goonbuggy1135]

It wasnt and has never been Gulliman, Horus was worried about. Horus didnt care what Roboute was doing. It was Sangy, he was worried about.

[@sonnyboyd9272]

10:58 are they both ultramarines back to back? Or is one a world eater?

[@echothegecko2875]

That intro with the Lamenter is cool as hell! What is that from?

[@Counterpoints]

Astartes 2 trailer

[@AJ-wn4bm]

@counterpoints40, love your content and break downs, but would it be possible for your camera to be abit smaller?

[@Counterpoints]

It is not.

[@artilyon]

Oh yeah this captures a lot of the setting.

[@faerdagonminui]

have u noticed that at 9:34 there is running mother with her son, same whos ended in dungeons? Am I wrong?

[@Counterpoints]

You right

[@Houdaiii]

so in the end, is it erda or the chaos gods that kidnapped the primarchs ?

[@Counterpoints]

Yes

[@josebonito6013]

Dude I’ve been learning and munching lore for about 3 years or so, a little longer playing the games, and through warhammer tv gone thru most of the series (which I really, enjoy as much or maybe even more than playing the games), whatever scattered movies, Pedersen’s Astartes, etc. but was completely and utterly lost as to what was going on in this fan made film. Still enjoyed it to an extent, but even with my man here guiding me and having some idea and background info on the whole Horus betrayal and shitty act, I still couldn’t make sense of most of what I was watching here.

[@lowruna]

GW paid no tribute to this and all early GW animation releases looked like a joke back then.

[@deathwatch7024]

I love 40k sham about the fan animation they got me into it

[@Haunted_Hunter]

May I ask what the intro scene you keep displaying in every video is from? I went looking and everywhere I looked brought me no-where.

[@Counterpoints]

Astartes 2 trailer

[@Haunted_Hunter]

@@Counterpoints Ah, thank you!

[@nimmha6708]

Seeing this.. Just imagine how AI could create DAYS-LONG of this as movie or show, finally killing the time issue when making these animations.. This looks insane.

[@franciscomuniz8317]

Someone please tell me where that intro scene is from with the imperial fist absolutely destroying those orks

[@Counterpoints]

Astartes 2 trailer

[@lonniesheppard2774]

We should rebel against the game Workshop shutting down the fan film animation community ✊

[@kingfisher1638]

They have already lost a few thousand from me. I was about to start an army during the fandom gold age and now I will boycott them until the end of time.

[@RoboticPope]

GW has lost a lot of money with its Warhammer+ service.

[@T0tenkampf]

every 3D printer is another spike in their greedy back

[@kingfisher1638]

@@metal_fusion "You stole power from the animators and lied to your fans; and If I cannot save them from your failure, GW, let the company BURN!"

[@vee-bee-a]

Night Lordy, I wish this one got a sequel. Too bad about that fan-animation crack-down.

[@WhatWouldVillainsDo]

Never played Warhammer table top or video games, but i do love the lore and media thats been put out.

[@user-cd8up9sy5p]

Where can I watch all this at

[@douglasshorter1513]

There was a lot missing I remember when this first came out the marine that got cut in half his fight scene and some other stuff it was like an hour long and damn good your review was great though keep up the great work

[@NORxDRONExAT01]

What is your intro from?

[@carolusrex91]

That change of look suits you well dear Connor👍

[@robertkey4981]

Hold On.. Masterminds M &M is in my town!?!! What?!!

[@TheHorreK2]

Death of Hope was the prime reason why a zealous/toxic fanbase can only sabotage itself... who would have known if he had more support, what an awesome series it would have become if fans wouldnt trash the (in my opinion still aweseome) animation and if Mark Louis Spark wasnt so triggered by said critisism.... sadly shortly after its creation GW brought the Nuke down on fan animation so it wouldnt have mattered anyway but still. It could have been glorious

[@Hyde-dg7ef]

i never understood how this had mixed reviews

[@jsloa1]

@@Hyde-dg7ef The animation just didn't make sense. While it was great in details and style, there's no real plot to anything. You're just watching different animation sequences that barely connect to each other. And that IF you could understand what people were saying, as the creator opted to not have characters speak English or even have subtitles. And the finally thing: the trailer promised a series set during the Horus Hersey. The animation takes place AFTER it.

[@TheHorreK2]

@@jsloa1 and? Its not an official movie, but a passion project. If the creator is mainly a 3d Designer then obliviously the cinematografie wouldnt be the best.... the expectations were just plain stupid

[@jackjacksen2549]

​@@jsloa1after Horus heresy? Mate the plot is the shadow crusade which happens in the Horus heresy. The series jumps time and show the fall of monarchia to the invasion of calth. People who don't know the lore got confused and couldn't comprehent the plot

[@tarn1135]

@@jsloa1idk, the animation made sense to me and the plot was pretty simple to grasp. Revenge and the insanity of chaos. Yeah mark got depressed because some ppl shit on what was a pretty obviously a love letter to the franchise. We all have the thought that others will love an idea we come up with only to find out other ppl don’t share our point of view. Regardless of any of that I can see why GW shut down fan made things because it’s a) their copyright (animations and miniatures) b) other were making money off their copyright (crowdfunding and sale of 3d model files) and c) they were launching their own app to create animations and exclusive miniatures. On the other hand I also see the fan outrage over GW cracking down on the fan animations and 3d modeling. They’re showing their love for a franchise and filling the a void in entertainment that the ip owners weren’t filling. Truth is they’re both wrong. The fans are wrong because GW owns the ip and can do as they please with it and should be allowed to make or not make something they own, yet the fans are bringing interest to the franchise and bringing old fans and new ppl INTO the franchise where they will more often then not want learn about established “real” lore. Not everyone reads the books, or plays the tabletop games or watch’s the shows. There’s a ton of content for everyone. I don’t know what the right answer to this dilemma is but to me I’m pretty sure the right answer is somewhere in the middle.

[@rickpool7289]

what is the name of the animation used in the begginng of the video?

[@Counterpoints]

Astartes 2 trailer

[@karliemorris7318]

thanks conor

[@truegrits257]

If only this was finished before the great GW fanflick purge. Ep two was supposed to be a banger

[@andrewcormack-foster3790]

The Gal Vorbak

[@Marco-dm3tc]

I’m confused about a trailer space marine holding the head of what looks like Guilimen or another ultramarine

[@Counterpoints]

Another space marine

[@jeanfoutre3620]

That was awesome!

[@michaelbelcher3622]

This thing had some serious potential.

[@rodrigofarruguia1708]

The woman in the cage is the one that was running away in the battle on the world. The Ultramarine did not get his armor stolen, he won and set free his battle brothers, he is the one with the mark of censure that is why his helmet is red. At least that is what i understood from watching it.

[@keeptheflapshut8594]

Why don’t they use the Saturnine armour again ?

[@Bigweave74]

What is your duty? To serve the algorithm's will. What is the algorithm's will? That we like and comment. What is a comment? It is our duty.

[@Townes.VanZandt]

Haha nice.

[@thepiratepenguin4465]

I thought the Space Wolves were created to deliver the Emperor's justice to wayward legions. So I find it strange that the Ultramarines were used to humble the Wordbearers.

[@Fearsome_Gonad]

The Emperor didn't want the Word Bearers destroyed, just humbled.

[@joshleenall]

He would've brought the wolves if he wanted to destroy the Word Bearers, but that isn't what he wanted.

[@purplewabbit7848]

totally love death of hope. ty

[@j3fr0uk]

Didn't think most here were new to the settin but thx for the history lesson i guess 😅

[@robieseth2615]

thanks

[@DoctorKillamassaLOGS]

Great job by you and the creator.

[@Hellfirematrix]

Say what you will about Lorgar but when he voided G-man without a helmet that was comedy gold!!! 😂

[@robertkey4981]

When you deal with Chaos...this is what you get....all across the board 😅

[@bolojohnson711]

Can you watch the cutscene of a warhammer 40k game called warhammer 40k fire warriors and what they talking about throughout the cutscene and also the space marine game

[@HeresWalsh]

That child and mother is touched by Grandfather Nurgle

[@DefinitelyNotBlackOpalDirect]

I totally misunderstood it. I thought they had a plan of escape, and that’s what they were referring to. So I thought the ultramarine won, and now the others were released and they were going to take back the ship and expect their revenge. I thought that’s what the disturbances were about the tech priest was referring to. I didn’t know he took the Armor, I thought it was to show that he had succeeded in beating them. Now it was their time to revolt, win or lose.

[@raypizanis9939]

I like the animation, it's one of the best portrayals of one of the heaviest turning points in the Horus Heresy.

[@honestwarmonger4662]

Emperor: im gonna use my not god like powers to make every world bearer kneel

[@Diomedes_XXII]

Bout time, devil dog! Mark Sparks is a boss.

[@Dooms-666]

I was there when GW killed the Emperor

[@joekate121609]

Horus rising

[@77loka]

Hello. 1- You forgot to mention the awesome Night Lord watching all this slaughter from above. In my opinion the idea of taking the armor from the 13 was probably his... 2- I need a link to the full movie, I only find parts. Someone, pls give me a link!

[@Counterpoints]

They never finished it unfortunately

[@77loka]

@@Counterpoints yeah, I know. But in your clip I saw some parts that I did see previously.

[@Counterpoints]

@@77loka trailers unfortunately

[@Hask5555]

Now i wonder, what would happen if one of the most faithfull people of 40k like idk, a sororita, a black templar or straight up fellas from the inquisition and ecclesiarchy would be sent to 30k

[@shaggyrumplenutz1610]

So are Word Bearers kinda like anti-paladins?

[@stormshadov6780]

20:00 whos is there hanging and why ?? xd

[@briancathey498]

so they sold themselves to creat a galactic hell

[@scrimshaw7470]

Its a shame this didnt get its time to shine. I remember being absolutely floored the first time i saw it.

[@DaddyGato_Palavering]

God was real....and he hated us. That line always makes me shiver and sends me into to deep thought......

[@alexandergalica9383]

The Chaos God Tzeentch is a Monster But she is not a BLooD soakED KILLer