Death Or Savior Of Escape From Tarkov?

[@xiaodown]

The criticism of PVE being stale, by the way, I'm sure is true for people who have played 10,000 hours like Airwing - but a lot of the people who play PVE, like my entire co-op group, have never seen max traders, never got kappa, never seen lightkeeper, and never experienced the end-game content. So it's not stale to us.

[@ltlibby6220]

Same Bro, all 5 of us are fairly casual and PvE is much more fun

[@TheHighsmith8]

He mentioned what you just said in the video. But also did say, he believes WILL BECOME stale to people who play it a bunch. However, in my opinion, as a 3k hour player, 4th wipe now, to be honest, and im not being rude, i, just like the thousands of other players who only play pvp, had to learn and suffer and experience the great losses and joys and frustrations to become confident in enjoying the game. So think it's definitely a skill and patience issue. Alot of this could get worked out by playing arena and then going back and forth between that and normal eft, as arena is a great way to quickly and painlessly get tons of repetitions in with combat and movement mechanics. But hey people are going to do what they're going to do and never experience the insane adrenaline dumps and mass joy that in my 30 years of gaming, only this game can bring. If there were no pain, we wouldnt know pleasure, if no sadness, we wouldnt treasure happiness. Without chaos, we cant fully understand peace. This is essentially the tarkov experience. You get totally f*kd 2 raids, and the next is a total joy. 🤷

[@TheRealOranz]

​@TheHighsmith8 you are totally ignoring the fact that many people have jobs and no time to play. I got time for 1, maaybe 2 raids a day. That makes pvp a real pain in the rear with the tasks, especially if I get interrupted by a cheater or something even worse; a rat.

[@WarchildAD]

I'm level 55 in pve and still never seen light keeper

[@TheRealOranz]

@@WarchildAD I started playing pve mid last wipe and I'm not even lvl 30 if I remember correctly.

[@steinbrecher8124]

PvE changed my Tarkov-experience. I have so much more fun than before. No hurry, just playing the game. Just having fun, it is fantastic.

[@cv3nda367]

same thing for me, but with SPT, the mods make the AI so much player-like

[@VulcanM61]

@@cv3nda367 Yeah hope they update the ai

[@HourRomanticist]

​@@cv3nda367I wish I could play SPT. For some reason the Realism mod has multiple game breaking bugs that I don't think can be fixed. Not sure what causes them. Any other mod works fine.

[@cv3nda367]

@@HourRomanticist Iam not using realism, but AI mods like SAIN, LootingBots and QuestingBots, tank the performance, even though the HW isnt working at full power. Playing on live server has an advantage, that there is not much AI and your PC can use HW resources much better.

[@jorgamund07]

Exactly. If I only have an hour to play, I can drop into some Streets double barrel shotgun runs, and get the grand tour without dying instantly to bad spawns or losing tons of gear.

[@Newmancrew]

Only reason I’m on the game is PVE. I hit level 37 in less than a month and still chuggin. I’ve never went beyond level 20 in pvp. It’s a great success.

[@glockel4308]

​@@3DProductions Big dick henry over here

[@wildy0000]

@@3DProductions `let people take time lol

[@3DProductions]

@@wildy0000 guy hasnt made it past lvl 20 in a full wipe we waiting for hell to freeze over? lmao

[@Brzzzyexe]

@@3DProductions tarkov players trying not to be insufferable challenge (impossible) nobody cares what level you are lil bro.

[@justsmitty1010]

@@3DProductions must be hard for you to believe but some people have real world things going on like jobs and families

[@johnosborne1873]

The no-lifers DESPERATE to steamroll people with jobs is SO apparent - Arena changes and PVE are GREAT!!

[@slyderace]

PVE is perfect for casual gamers like us!! :D

[@AmericaFirst-1]

Right now I am enjoying PVE more than PVP for 1 reason alone... Queue times are instant in PVE. No 5-10 minute wait times per raid. EVERY raid is instant queue. Just like YOU said: "Stealing other peoples time is one of the worst kinds of theft out there."

[@Unknown-pc9yq]

Fantastic point. in a hour of game play you wasted a ridiculous amount of time doing NOTHING. If you step away for 1 minute, you will spawn in and be dead. If I could manage my stash while loading into a raid it wouldn't be half as bad. However, you can't.

[@Swarm509]

@@Unknown-pc9yq I stopped playing wipes many times because of how much time it was taking to get into a game. In one hour I could only play once or twice in a raid.... and very possible to die in both raids getting nothing done to advance your quests, character, or stash value. A few nights of this and I was ready for something else.

[@MsZsc]

that's not a praise of the pve mode or gameplay innovations it just means the regular game works like ass

[@iGucik]

Most people arent lmg try hards or streamers so the challenge offered in pve is actually perfect. This video is from the prespective of a streamer. But most casuals acctually get farther into late game content or mid compare to pvp. Also all your death in pve are atleast fair in purpose. Since ai dont gain anything by killing you. Pvp players cheaters will kill you at ranges and angels ypu never see or spots that requite you jump invisible walls to get a advantage no one knows or sees. Also you goota be great at spotting and reacting to compete in pvp. So yea that auto puts the skill gap high for casuals.

[@offb1]

It's true, not a lot of people have time for "Wait 10 min to load into a raid and get killed in 30 seconds to a cheater without shooting a single bullet" game

[@uoislame]

its simple: pve doesn't have sweats. it is casual without sacrificing the hardcoreness of the game itself. it is just an unranked mode. unranked in rocket league isn't any different than ranked, it just doesn't "count" so people don't sweat as hard. pve is the same thing. it also makes the game more of a looter shooter than a battle royal. it is closer to the division, which i feel is a lot of what people want.

[@brennancondon3357]

Sweats are not the issue. PvP just sucks now, fights are not engaging or intense and that used to be the pull. Now you just tap tap headshot the guy and move on. Your fights are not fights because one side does not fire back because they lose the fight before they can.

[@arcadeslum5882]

@@brennancondon3357 no lifers, cheaters and desync is the problem and it resets.

[@Bucky2Times]

@@arcadeslum5882 dude yeah, normal tarky has been OK so far cheater wise since i figure theyre all on arena cheating to lvl their normal account, but the DESYNC is fucking awful man gets me killed more than anything...always has

[@drinkmorecocacola]

You get to play the game.

[@logical1510]

For me, it's not even that it's more casual or "unranked". I often play competitive games like Overwatch 2 or CS2, yet I much prefer Tarkov PvE. Also, I have plenty of game time a week... maybe 5-6 hours on weekdays and 8+ hours on weekend days, so I'm not a casual by any means lol I just can't get myself to play Tarkov PvP because it's a huge waste of time, even with all that time I have to play: If I play 5 competitive games of Overwatch 2, that's about 2 hours of gameplay. Say I lost all of them, I only lost rank in those two hours. Now, if you play 5 straight raids of Tarkov, that's potentially more time invested in total, as well as the possibility of not just losing your kit, but also a quest item you may have been searching for a while, or heck, even ending up with not enough money to buy a kit/gun/ammo you like to run. For me, the biggest pain points that Tarkov PvE solved are: -Wipe every 6 months or so, more specifically being able to reach level 45+ and Lightkeeper before wipe, which I've never done before and I intend to do in PvE -Cheaters -Sweats -Desync -Queue times, which in PvE feel closer to OW2, around 2 mins at most

[@theghostfacekza4549]

The biggest paradox in tarkov is the PVP players constantly pushing to cater the game around people with streamer levels of time to sink into the game and then crying when the casual audience leaves to play PVE. It's also worth noting that PVE isn't for you Airwing, you play the game more than 99% of the playerbase and PVP is already catered to you. PVE is for the people who can't play the game half as much as 99% of the player base

[@Leep_Actual]

Thank you for this comment.

[@memeofwheat]

PvE Tarkov has provided a safe learning experience for many, and an escape into a non-competitive version of tarkov. Meanwhile Arena has completely skewed the progression to the actual PvP mode which ironically is more detrimental to the player experience than PvE could ever be

[@strippins]

I played arena to level 15, but it wasn’t a fun experience. Not only is it pure twitch shooter , but everyone in team games is mean unless you’re a gigachad

[@adrianreymann9815]

I didnt play this wipe. The 1st since 6 wipes because fucking arena integration in pvp progression. It fucks everything. Just because nikita cant handle the fact that nobody cares about arena. He just decide to put it in our throat. Just like the unheard edition. PvE is whats left of a meaningful progression in the game. I liked the idea of the struggle early wipe, grinding rep and so on. Now there is 50 ways to cheese the best moment of tarkov pvp, the first few weeks of the wipe.

[@khaos3433]

This. Tarkov is such a great and cool game but its so sweaty. I want a chill game to play when i have a couple of minutes/hours left in a week. For this pve is just great

[@strippins]

@@khaos3433 I’ve been trying to get the wine bottle from ground zero. I find the AI is so cracked and numerous I can barely move . Any tips ?

[@chigmeister1906]

​@@adrianreymann9815how does it mess up progression? By the time people hit level 15 in arena the chads were already 25+ in pvp. Arena doesn't level traders either, further making it purely a level grind, which means nothing without rep. 1.5 million rubles a day doesn't mean jack shit either as I can make way more than that in pvp whilst also questing and getting more xp. You're just looking for a reason to hate.

[@Jemski_T]

Tarkov PVE didn't kill Tarkov PVP. Cheaters killed PVP.

[@andynorth1776]

^This

[@Mr.Rakija]

100%

[@mouser6474]

BARS.

[@howiedoodat8]

Yeah, and they are ramping up again, so time to switch back to pve

[@jacobchen4183]

can't agree more...

[@KyleCollective]

I think the one thing streamers fail to keep in mind is that they are rarely ever playing this game alone or with just their friends. They have an audience to entertain, money on the line, people feeding them ideas and challenges to keep the game fresh. Most players do not have that they are either playing solo or with a friend or two and they don’t have anything but their time on the line so when things like cheaters, giga chads, desync, poor audio all ruin the few hours they get to play, there’s no reason to play PvP. Very rarely these days does PvP offer those moment to moment things streamers talk about. Tarkov has been around for a while now that you can pretty much predict what will happen for each map you play with vary little deviation unless it’s someone who hasn’t played enough to know where all the key areas are for loot or fights. PvE is easy no doubt about it but it’s also just fun and doesn’t make people want to break their monitor when all they wanted to do is chill with their friends for a few hours and game not sweat their nuts off like they’re competing in an arena esports tournament

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

I wouldn’t say it’s “easier”, but it is way less punishing. I get most of my insurance back, which is massive for building wealth.

[@Bucky2Times]

Devs cater to the guys who play 10-14 hours a day too. its a streamer game. ive played since 2019 and its hard to list all the stuff thats changed JUST because of the streamers being crybaby bitches. most of them are out of touch with the normal person that plays this game

[@KyleCollective]

@@jacobbaumgardner3406 I say easier just to avoid people whining that it’s bots so it can’t be hard lol

[@KyleCollective]

@@Bucky2Times yea but they run polls so they know exactly what the community likes and doesn’t like… lol

[@Mahashma]

The proof of the scale of PvP's problems is that in 500 hours and several hundred Woods raids, I never ONCE saw a LedX or a keycard and only ever found a bare handful of moonshine. In ~20 PvE raids I've found 4 LedX, a Violet card, and over a dozen moonshine. The vacuuming was real. I honestly wouldn't be playing Tarkov at all if not for PvE. I'm questing further than ever before, my hideout is further along than ever before, I'm playing maps I used to avoid, my overall weapons skills are improving. I'm having more fun than I *ever* did in PvP.

[@AdrianFoxcroftMuller]

Same, no rats no giga sweats no meta builds I can learn quests and so on

[@snipdarkbelgh184]

same

[@Tropoc]

PvE and PvP are two completely separate games to be honest. I definitely see the lure of PvE for those that doesnt have the time or are willing to make the time for PvP and that is completely fine and it makes Tarkov an enjoyable single player FPS with tons of content and challenges for those who wants that. On the other hand i as a fast leveler and PvP W key chad find that PvE simply takes the nerve out of the game. Every PvE raid i did, ended up being one of those MONSTER raids that you get from time to time in PvP, where you kill a bunch of PMC's do all the tasks you have at hand for the raid you go into and find all the loot you can dream of and extract with no issues at all. Both versions serves a purpose and PvE definitely makes Tarkov more accessible to the masses which is only a good thing.

[@3DProductions]

the fact they cranked the loot to the max in PVE to cater to the whiners is in no way an indication of anything happening on PVP servers lmao. who cares about the loot anyways on PVE it literally means nothing. but congrats on having a couple good raids on the baby version of the game XD

[@mnm8818]

Re: item rarity that's why it's rare and if any player sees one it's like hitting lottery (even for cheaters lol)... Woods though isn't the place to get ledx (best map in a way for actual gun play but...

[@byrdreciever]

"Pve is repetitive" isnt doing the same tasks uprading the same hideout and having to rebuy all your containers every 6 months the same

[@raymarshall6721]

Don't bring logic into this conversation.

[@byrdreciever]

@@raymarshall6721 your right my b

[@przemekpmt]

Tell me please the diference, what are you doing in PVP ?

[@realmaximusfps]

You forgot the whole dynamic pvp part and intense gunfights, but yeah conveniently miss the point of the video

[@przemekpmt]

@@realmaximusfps have you played the PVE part, because you talk like you havn't. I advice you to try. It's really fun.

[@walterMLG]

imma be honest I bought Tarkov pretty soon after it first came out, just the base game and really struggled to make progress or learn anything playing solo so I dropped it for a long time. I was also a early to pick up SPT before the Unheard disaster. Playing SPT finally gave me the chance to learn the core things I needed to now actually be able to hold my own in Live. I can understand why so many would wanna make the jump.

[@daedalus6433]

SPT is better because of mods though, but it sure runs like ass sometimes sadly.

[@sergtrufanov5565]

​@@daedalus6433 questing and looting bots can hit performance for sure. Questing bots mostly. Also sain. Playing official PvE atm cus I've got better performance here

[@Ixxlostinabox]

I am both a hardcore FPS gamer and a MMO gamer, I have 2k+ hours in Tarkov and have been playing since the alpha. I have had enough time with the FPS aspect of the game to get good enough to hold my own solo against teams. The reason I play PvE is because I enjoy the quests, I enjoy having tasks to complete. Primarily my goal is to experience Lightkeeper. I have no desire to unlock Lightkeeper in PvP because that is a massive chore, and boils down to pretty much working a second job. But in PvE I can take my time with the quests and enjoy them instead of being in a panic trying to rush them because some group of player scavs is gunning it towards water treatment and I'm stuck in there looking at 20 spawns for a flashdrive.

[@3DProductions]

youre literally a whiner that doesnt even try a challenging task because its "a massive chore"... and here i though the challenge is what gives you the accomplishment. Better play on baby mode where anyone could do it and it means literally nothing LMAO "im a hardcore mmo gamer...but i dont do raids because they are difficult" XD everyone in here like "i did this in PVE"...noone cares.

[@nicz7694]

@@3DProductions The amount of BS you try to spew here is incredible lmao

[@3DProductions]

@@nicz7694 such as?

[@Ixxlostinabox]

@@3DProductions Stop assuming and acting like a clown. I used to grind Kappa, iv done the difficult shit in Tarkov over and over and over for the past 7 years. There comes a time where people get bored of it, and that happened to me. You assume too much based on very few words on a computer screen. You don't know me just like I don't know you. Yet here you are being a judgmental child over a video game. Grow up.

[@nicz7694]

@@3DProductions I mean you are literally under half a dozen comments fighting PvE players because they play what they want. I do prefer PvP by myself aswell such as you but rage-hating half a dozen people seems kinda no-life to me. It's wasted energy imo

[@Demigod8060]

3000 hours will never go back to PVP to get killed to extract campers and cheaters.

[@Anthery78]

3K hours and still skill issues + delusion

[@JRaney]

​@Anthery78 I found the problem with tarkov. It even liked it's own comment. How sad.

[@Reffidex]

@@JRaney Word. It's kinda weird how folks don't realize that berating PvE and crying about PvP, only solidifies PvE further - If the mindset of players that are left in PvP are of that caliber, I'm good with PvE thanks.

[@DoesntThink-p8f]

@@Anthery78I bet you only run in a five man, with gear fear

[@realmaximusfps]

The only extract that gets camped is d2.

[@jaegergames7042]

To be brutally honest, the first reason is why I swapped- granted, I had a friend get TUE for me, atop my own EOD, purchased back in the OG run, the NDA days. My highest PVP level ever, was 39. Around work, hospital, family stuff, changing jobs, moving cities, the works, I never once got to full max Traders. Ever. I hit it max Peacekeeper a few weeks before this new wipe. Because of life, I’ve repeated the first lot (lvl2-25odd) of Quests so, so many times, that now they hurt my soul. I don’t HAVE to do them again. This is the FIRST Wipe that hasn’t gotten me banging my head against a wall because I’m fuckin like, 5 months away from barely reaching lvl3 Traders. Now, I agree with a lot of PVEs criticism, but, I can play it at my own pace, and keep the progress I’ve made.

[@gadfli_1076]

this is why i liked the changes to arena, i can progress in the real game and not be forced to take part in the awful tasks until i want to take part in them

[@MessinVR]

I hate hearing people say “Raids never play out the same” when that’s completely false. You either get one tapped within the first 2 mins of the raid or you go the entire time not running into anyone.

[@MichaelMassimino]

Sadly I can't be a professional Tarkov player. Let the W keyers and cheaters go chasing after each other, I'm much happier on PvE with the time that I do have to play.

[@Swarm509]

Yup, I got the most and furthest into Tarkov when I was single (after a breakup) and could spend 6-7 hours every night, and most days on the weekend, grinding the game. As soon as I went back to a normal schedule and playing other games I was lucky to hit level 30 before burning out of the game.

[@Terminatedd]

I'm happier too playing PVE. PVP is just a bit too hard for my taste, although it got better & easier once I started rushing everyone and w - keying at the start of the last wipe. But still, once the wipe goes on, the harder the game gets. You won't kill anyone with your shitty guns, unless you camp, rat, or get lucky (or know the game really really well, like Pestily, Lndmark etc).

[@slyderace]

@@Terminatedd I agree with you. PVE is perfect to learn the game and the maps/quest locations, etc. The first time I played this game was in 2021, I made to to level 5 and already had lost all my gear. I quit playing for 2 years. I played again in 2022/2023 and made it to level 20 then gave up because of the Goat/cheater video. Then I went to SPT and played there for 6 months and loved the game!! I played last wipe and made it to level 30 :) However for this wipe, I'm playing PVE only as I don't have as much time to play like I used to. I only have 1-2 hours/day to play so I don't wanna be in lobbies with sweaty streamers and/or cheaters. I don't have time for that shit.

[@Masterho310]

If they added non wiping pvp servers, you'd see a lot of pve people come back.

[@MEXICANxGRIZZLY]

Facts

[@shadowninja8011]

Also one other note. The AI PMCs in game CAN be dynamic. They can be brain dead too but I have seen them do things players would. Had a raid on factory where I was engaged in the hallway adjacent to the toolset. First dude ran out of the hall, his teammate swung me, and before I knew it the original guy had rotated behind me and was shooting me in the ass. They can be dynamic at times. There are plenty of times I feel like I’m fighting actual people

[@Swarm509]

Yeah I ran into a tank of a PMC AI that was eating my 993 9mm (just started in PVP) and had teammates flanking me and shooting at me from cover. It was all I could do to kill the guys in my way, run away, and heal. Once I got back I found they had killed some other PMC's and looted them. It was a crazy little bit of action. I would love to see more work put into the PMC AI, and I think it would even help in the PVP mode. Suddenly they can add bosses/High Tier AI that could actually fight players well and give a PVP like experience in the PVP mode.

[@Moon_Lord_]

PvE has changed Tarkov for the better, for me and my friend group. And the local hosting has brought back 2 guys who live out in the sticks with shit internet and would always DC during raids. Also PvE has been a stepping stone for us to start a SPT Modded Tarkov run. The SPT community has so many great mods that it made a few of us swear off PvP Tarkov for good. PvE Tarkov and SPTarkov are just more fun.

[@jadencory6169]

I have 3k hours into tarkovs pvp. Cheaters killed it for me. Not knowing if it was aimbot bs or what just made it so frustrating, and when i went in heavy with tier 6 armor and a mk18, it felt like i had a target on my back every time and was always swarmed by what felt like cheaters, though id admit its impossible to know. I put the game down for months, but i picked up pve recently and had a blast questing with a buddy. Sure, it's easier than pvp, and Aim Bot is Aim Bot, but it's such a better feeling than questioning if the guy on the other end was playing legit.

[@alexandermccabe556]

i love when people try to cope and say there isnt aimbot anymore dude there is AI aim assist that is almost imperceivably to most cheat detections and they want to pretend it never happens its way more common than people think

[@digitalesthetics]

Kill cam would fix it! Because a lot of times we think it's cheaters when it's not

[@alexandermccabe556]

@@digitalesthetics how does that solve AI aim assist that is imperceivably to the human eye

[@tr1pl741]

When a wall hacker telegraphs your movement and positioning, i'd rather lose to A.I than have my gear and loot taken by a scum bag cheater. Have you played Arena lately? The kill cam exposes them. All the cheaters levelling up, 90% are wall hacks and aimbots.

[@WhiskeyActualTV]

😂 get good. Probably just a better player. Not cheating.

[@ElderDrake123]

Adding a prestige-style mode to encourage wiping would be an excellent addition to PvE. Rewarding players with unique skill elites, special trader(s), etc. PvP is too toxic for me to ever play again. To deal with inflation creatively, a Flea Market system that perhaps targets more affluent players with raids on their bases, having to hire contract guards and other ideas could be implemented. This game mode could lead to a really exciting evolution of the game with some form of cross-over between modes as well in the form of events, scav reputation and Fence, and other interesting incentives to play both modes. I'm just spitballing.

[@ineedmymodfixed]

I started playing tarkov last wipe about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way through. I died to a cross map headshot on ground zero to a level 3 wearing NVGs and a fully kitted M4. Started playing SPT and gave the game up after the unheard drama. With the new wipe I started to get interested in the game again. Now that I am excited to play the game again, my 2 friends who won't download tarkov are getting really into ABI and I've been trying to play with them, to ease them into tarkov lite so they can eventually graduate to real tarkov. Fingers crossed that I can get them to buy it and squad up with me.

[@JuiPero87]

My friends and I have been playing tarkov PvE (SPTarkov mod) for almost a year now and we've reached lvl 30+ for the first time. We're casual gamers with jobs and families. It's awesome to finally beat the bosses and build your gun collection and to have mind blowing engagements in closed quarters and open fields with massive armies decending upon one another.

[@powderedaura2656]

I have a double hearing loss, pve feels closer to an even playing field for me. I wish they could add mod support. I would love a radar or at least something similar to fornights foot step indicator. I know it's a lot to ask and might make the game too easy. Its just something that really helps me. PVE is the future. I feel like it's so much more palatable to the general gamer environment.

[@thor4506]

Nerve damage in both hands from chemotherapy for me and couldn't agree more. I can actually enjoy this fantastic game.

[@rymd1875]

Play SPT, there is a radar mod, you can set it to be always on your hud or appears only when using the compass, latter option looks very cool.

[@Brzzzyexe]

play spt with sain and donuts and you can adjust difficulty and have access to all the other nice QoL mods and features, spt truly is peak tarkov because you can choose exactly how you want the game to feel

[@digitalesthetics]

Foot step indicators? Really? Use sound? What am I missing? Sorry to hear About hospital

[@jeremybusby5743]

The dude has double hearing loss and you're telling him to use sound.. I hope people show you similar mercy.

[@ikeamaistr4288]

Definitely a savior. I gave up on playing Tarkov couple months ago, but since PvE became a thing, I play about 3-6 hours a week and I like how I can enjoy "casual gameplay" since I do not need to worry about cheaters or wipe. Thanks to PvE I started playing on maps that I did not enjoy playing before (Labs, Streets, Reserve), I experiment and play around with all sorts of weapons and armours and in general have a good time. When you put away all the meta stuff and need to play as a sweat, the game feels different, different in a good way.

[@EpicWin1337]

The Activision white paper about SBMM is extremely prophetic of what currently and will occur to Tarkov PVP mode since it lacks any sense of SBMM. TLDR, games without SBMM have lower player retention, lower satisfaction from players, and reward only the 10% of players. However since the bottom 90% are the most common place for attrition over time that top 10% shrinks and then the players who are no long in the top tenth start to get disinterested and eventually leave as well and the cycle continues. That is why it feels like you need 500 hours in game to begin to see real progress. Several hundred hours is the minimum that player skill needs to reach to have a win rate that is even within a relevant ELO range of the typical player. This issue is compounded by the fact that gear and item progression also severely impacts your odds at winning in pvp and you have a game that is extemely punishing to anyone not playing the game under what is effectively a part time job in hours. Tarkov has managed to stem the bleeding with the wipe system bringing back lower skill players only for them to engage in the fun parts of progression until eventually the churn of PVP grinds them away. PVE is where frustrated players move to who would otherwise quit Tarkov entirely go to. PVE is retentive for the playerbase more than accretive.

[@RvEijndhoven]

One of the most interesting elements of that study Activision commissioned on SBMM, to me, is that they noticed that it lead to much greater over all player retention, but that there was one segment where retention was negatively affected: Players who the system considered as highly skilled, but once they were put up against players considered equally skilled, their estimated skill level quickly dropped and these players had a tendency to not stick with the game. These players are, of course, the segment of players who yell loudest about how they are into hardcore PvP, but who quickly lose interest once they get _actual_ PvP instead of just being able to flex on new players. And I find that interesting when I look at a certain segment of the Tarkov playerbase who hate(d) the idea of PvE servers for Tarkov and claimed it would kill the game while also claiming to be into Tarkov for the 'high risk, high reward' hardcore PvP... Because I guarantee you not a single one of those mofos so much as touched Tarkov Arena.

[@rutrose2000]

I've been a casual player since 2018......I'm just about to finish the Punisher quest line for the first time and get the Epsilon in PVE. I'm never going back to PVP.

[@Sleazy71]

I would have probably never played tarkov again without PvE. I'm level 42 and loving it. I've never had the free time to get to such a high level before and I've been playing since before 12.12

[@oullyboully331]

+1 to this whole video and great research supporting your findings AW. I've played 3 PvP wipes as a solo myself and reached max traders twice. Then there wasn't any incentive to return after a wipe and I simply did not enjoy quests such as punisher and maps like lighthouse and labs. Now I'm about to unlock Lightkeeper, got kappa and having a blast in PvE. With more knowledge gained I may return to PvP when Tarkov hits 1.0.

[@Foxy_proxy]

PVE is cool but I'm getting tired of the bosses spawning every raid and pmc's clumping up in the middle of the map. Then having to fight them all simultaneously. Also the AI is indeed just cheat so you have to cheese them every single time.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Not to mention the meta is bring the ammo you have the most quantity of not necessarily quality because you will be shooting non stop.

[@StelzCat]

Started PvE three weeks ago, after about 500hrs in PvP. Not very active player but have experience. Died to Goons more times than to anything else combined. I legit cannot even look at their spawn areas because I get beam of bullets in my direction and then rushed by aimbots who head-eyes me in half second.

[@OracularThunder]

I haven’t ran a single PVP raid since PVE came out, it’s just what my buddies and I needed to get back into the game

[@thesnipercat6792]

4:35 I started PvE after I passed 3000hrs I PvP. Now I'm over 300 hrs in PvE and didn't even bother start go for early wipe! I'm not by any means a good player. I've never got kappa, never met the light keeper, I'm a small firearms nerd and it's the only reason I play Tarkov and Tarkov alone because it has the best gun mechanics and ammo trajectory imo. PvP is still fun for me though but I'll get back to it only after I got kappa in PvE.

[@RaceMaster79]

I’m a veteran of tarkov (playing since alpha with just one year break). and I used to play a lot and spent hundreds of hours. I have left the game about 1,5 year ago because it was to much frustration for me, to much bad emotions and those wipes were to often for me (even tho I always reached the max level traders moment). I’m back a month ago just because pve and I’m playing a lot again and I love it (lvl 54 now). No frustration, no gear fear and the AI is ok. Main goal is to get for the first time a kappa container but I’m afraid that can be the point when I’ll be bored because no further goal… but I will not get back to pvp at least to the full version of the game (I mean 1.0 release) when there will be no wipe.

[@T5thL]

Savior, I started playing again ONLY to play pve cause I suck at pvp and hate playing against cheaters :D

[@strippins]

One of the things I really enjoy about your channel is the empathy and connection you have with regular players who aren’t giga chads

[@donoteatmikezila]

I have no patience for PvP anymore. Cheaters, people playing 100% meta gear all the time, people just being way too good for me to deal with honestly, etc. For me it's PvE or just not playing the game. That said the PvP in Arena is super fun. If I could get my PvP action in Arena and then link it to PvE it would be aces. I like taking the game at my own pace, doing the tasks, not having to deal with hatchet runners and bozos camping objectives or extracts. It's just easier and more fun. I know that mantra of Tarkov is that it's not supposed to be "fun", it's supposed to be a challenge and to be rough. But I don't care, PvE is just more enjoyable to me. I'm just not skilled enough, and don't have the time to build the skill and knowledge to compete with better players. So instead I treat it like a singleplayer survival game. PvE has been an absolute blast for me. The thing with money is also kind of funny when playing Arena will make you megarich without even having to do any raids at all.

[@3DProductions]

its one week into wipe, there isnt a single player in full meta gear...

[@mnm8818]

Rant add, yeah questing and PvP don't mix well... When I quest I don't really want to PvP but then once I finish most quest have 200sas drives for barter lv6plates I don't want to PvP cause it's not suited specifically for PvP lol (there's no real point to PvP to get loot cause I have that loot or see who's 'better' cause there's no incentive) That's where Arena is for but then it's a totally different game style

[@donoteatmikezila]

@@3DProductions Doesn't matter. With PvE I don't have to worry about it at any point in the "wipe", both because my game doesn't wipe unless I want it to and because no matter how long I've been playing I don't have to worry about being behind everyone else.

[@3DProductions]

@@donoteatmikezila thats so great that your safe space servers never wipe, you should as nikita for a difficulty slider next

[@mrwillham5393]

basically my sentiment exactly. i havent even tried playing the new wipe yet i just havent had the urge. i havent played pve in about a week either but i think i left off at lvl 51. Ive just mainly been playing arena and other games. i really enjoy the arena gameplay with all the new changes it definitely feels better now. But in terms of pve it doesnt matter if i havent played in a week or a month or whatever because im not worried about keeping up with the meta, or worrying about my progress erasing. i think it was a good edition for bsg to do, its kept a lot of people who probably otherwise would have left still in there game. The pvp sweats an elitists can hate all they want but its got its benefits for them as well so they can shove it

[@19DeathlYAngeL94]

For me is the fact that I don't have to go to Shoreline 1000 times.

[@97antiv]

PvE was only made because of SPT, a lot of functions that SPT have made/mods that have been made have been added to tarkov thats how brain dead the devs are at BSG

[@scharrk]

Idk, letting somebody else work for you for free doesn't seem so braindead to me.

[@kingterry6045]

@@scharrk They even managed to F up "free". The vast majority of SPT mods are far superior to anything BSG has implemented.

[@slyderace]

@@kingterry6045 SAIN mod is godly! So much better to play SPT with SAIN than PVE atm...the plain scavs are just as hard to fight as raiders!! It's nuts in PVE.

[@TraumatisedEwok]

Great video bud, really balanced approach to the subject. I started playing properly in 0.14 and hit 27 on PvP and enjoyed it, but then hit a wall, it was definitely knowledge based (Map/tasks) so when PvE came I saw an opportunity to gain that knowledge in my own time without fear of being reset and not being able to experience the later parts of the game for years or even ever. As it is now I'm level 40 on PvE and just about to finish the Punisher questline and nearly have traders at max. It's made me fall in love with the game even more and I will step back in to PvP at some point.

[@Zarithos]

I almost wish BSG would take some notes from the modders of SPT. Not saying it's perfect, but there are some mods on SPT that make Tarkov a great single player experience. (Arguably harder than PVP Tarkov depending on settings)

[@GoodDay2USir]

Spot on, fantastic video. As a working adult with kids, the early wipe grind and fomo of getting too far behind is real. I still play pvp with friends but pve in nice for working towards kappa/lightkeeper....something I could never do in the normal wipe cycle

[@SLAYHOLE88]

I put about 400 or 500 hours in total into tarkov since 2018 and I've put that same amount in since pve dropped. It's awesome being able to feel like you're making consistent progress without getting stomped because you don't have time to play. I'm level 52 now, nearing kappa and lightkeeper and never got even close to that in pvp. Most of the people whining about pve are mad they can't abuse less skilled players for easy loot and xp

[@OldSchool808]

Great take Tyler - very well done. As a 7 wipe / 15k hr tarkov vet myself, PvE is PvP "enough" for me. I played a couple of days of the new wipe then went straight back to PvE. BSG recently disabled the AI PMC's giving out their location (THERE HE IS!) and seemed to have cranked up the AI which makes it a lot more challenging. Question - so are noticeably less people in PvP raids now? The beginning of the wipe is usually the height of concurrent players. Keep up the great content - nice to see you at almost 200k subs!

[@4playification]

Cheaters and the fact I’ve done it 7 wipes in a row PvE allows me and my friends to access things we’ve never done before, like past level 30. Shoreline and labs. Marked key rooms. PvE feels more “fair” and knowing no cheaters are around appeals to us. It’s a fresh breath in the ol’ every 6 months start again with the same annoying 5-6 quests one of us will get stuck on and an evening banging our heads against 😂

[@r2Kd0ugernaut]

@@3DProductions and youre a toxic fuck. whats the point of your comment?

[@4playification]

@@3DProductionsas a dad of three, full time employed I can’t play more than 1-2 times a week for a couple of hours Plus all the myriad of other games 😂

[@Thump505]

@@3DProductions you really need a life

[@3DProductions]

@@Thump505 i just killed a 12 hour nightshift in a blink now im gonna go play tark :D dont let youtube comments ruin your day! LMAO

[@Thump505]

@@3DProductions cool

[@jeremiahkahlert204]

#1 Love your content brother. Excellent stuff 👍 I started playing Tarkov four years ago. Loved the idea of the game, and after about a week, I quickly learned there was a steep learning curve. Which would require a lot of time. As a father of three, a wife, and full time job, I just didn't have that time required to learn. Been playing again everyday for the past two weeks on PVE. For me, who doesn't have the time to build that skill quickly, PVE has definitely saved Tarkov for me.

[@eduardshapovalov677]

SPT or Single PLayer Tarkov have AMAIZING bots (with a modpack), which you can adjust by your own preference. And to be honest, that code (bless modders) makes game 100000% more enjoyable. (bots can't see through the bushes. They react to sounds, run around looting and !extracting!.... Just amaizing)

[@darkwolfrc3766]

Ive changed over to pve because of the only point of the reason you used in the video - Time - Dont have alot of time to pvp mode as its now like 2 weeks into wipe and im lvl 11 because ive put in about 4 hours, where as pve im lvl 41 because its not wiped & im able to stay stable on a game i love to enjoy and not worry about wiping unless i want to

[@timmcgee8380]

The mad pvp players are all just decent players who like beating on casuals, now the playing field is far more even and the decent players are the bottom of the food chain

[@alexandermccabe556]

this, most of them are mad that they have to deal with the sweats and know the people they dunked on are gone the chads need people to clap or their is no reason for them to play but for people who just want to complete quests with friends PVP never mattered the game just so happened to be PVP

[@gorshok_oomer]

Have you ever heard about food chains in ecosystem? Tarkov is no different, the main problem is that step by step playerbase will get smaller and smaller due to those who are at the bottom of food chain just going to pve. That's the way to complete descend of pvp tarkov.

[@escaflownia2]

Those PvP guys will never touch arena because that's too much of an even playing field. 😂

[@timmcgee8380]

@gorshok_oomer yeah, that's pretty much what I explained. If people are moving to pve, tarkov still retains its player base they just aren't playing pvp

[@ipodman505]

When I was in high school a few years ago, I played ALL OF THE TIME. But life got in the way, and I just didn't have the time or patience for tarkov anymore. I love pve because this is the first time in years that I've actually been excited to get home and play. And since I've been away for so long, I'm getting to see all the content and maps that I've missed. Plus pve is just nice for when you wanna have a few beers, smoke up, and relax without sweating your ass off. I can say for a fact that pve has brought me back. Very epic indeed.

[@kalebradford3859]

I left tarkov because of nikitas BS, however I had left prior because there was just so many cheaters. Not even the ones that are walling or aimbotting, but how can I check the same 8 led x spots 30 times and not see ANY? Ive played tarkov for 5 years, and I think I have found 4 ledx?? sure my luck is bad but it cant be all luck when RMT is still so easy to find. I joined a tarkov discord just to check it out and the first thing I saw was an RMT channel. they dont even hide it.

[@gx50000]

Gonna say something that I thought about the other day with a lot of quests the experierence from quests don't really add up very well to levels anymore I feel like back in the day when you are doing health care giving only something like 6k exp but signal giving 8.5ish k exp but it lined up with the level that you got them and other quests along shoreline and reserve the exp doesn't add up to the level that you get the quests anymore and some tasks just don't play good compared to others like the two examples above health care is much harder for newer players then signal but gives way less exp. I think that if they adjust this more players will hit level requirements for traders even if playing casual. not really good at explaining things but this is my two cents.

[@SomaliSmuli]

I remember way back there being talk of having the PoE league system where you'll have a wipe branch and a non-wiping branch of the PvP servers. I still think this would greatly address that progress reset problem you mentioned.

[@LonestarNomad_]

My group of 4 has come back for the first time in years and we are having a blast in PvE. We’re all standard 3 jobs 2 wives and 7 kids dads, who play for a couple hours a week. Its been so nice to enjoy a handful of raids a week without the suffering and wait times just to get clapped

[@theARoberts]

I appreciate your take greatly. I played PvP for years, but as a forced-casual player due to limited time, I could never keep up with other players and couldn't ever feel like I reached the endgame before the next wipe happened. Burnt out by this, I stopped playing for two years before PvE came out. I was drawn to PvE purely for the absence of wipes. Now I feel like I can play the game at my pace and I'm loving it. That said, I know I'll reach that point where I'm bored, but when I do I'll just jump on PvP. PvP can be my character that wipes, PvE can be my character that doesn't.

[@witpickles]

Good video. I've returned to your work as I've caught a few videos that are leaps and bounds above your previous work. Keep it up!

[@Gunship]

The best video you ever made imho. THANK YOU! With that said, Mr nobody here has approx. 1500 hours in the game, EOD edition, done 2-3 wipes getting to lvl 30 as my max before we got the PvE mode. I'm now lvl 50 in PvE and I have done a few raids in the new PvP wipe. Playing PvP really got me down in the start, as exciting as Tarkov is, the learning curve was hard even with good players lending a hand. An ingame map for a new player with the exist marked would be a huge help, I don't understand why you have to resort to 3rd party sites for this information (but that's a side topic). Getting killed in PvP by cheaters is just not something I'm prepared to do now that I have the PvE mode available, and if it was not there I don't think I would be playing Tarkov at all. The PvE mode has allowed me to play and learn maps that was simply "off limits" for me in PvP. I know you can run a map in explorer mode, but you never do. As you correctly pointed out Time is a valuable resource! Will I start playing more PvP now that the paid carry or cheaters might be a little less I really don't know tbh. I have tried other games like Delta Force and Arena Breakout, but they are shit compared to Tarkov despite all its faults and that Nekita is a Axxxhole for what he did with the Unhear edition. Again thanks for a great video I think you hit it spot on.

[@Tima932]

Most of these concerns are null if you use the modded version (SPT AKI) you can install mods to make the bots absolutely godlike, go to hot spots, loot, do quests, control if you want waves to spawn etc... makes it a lot more fun

[@ricodarebeira1629]

Exactly as you said. This wipe I am only doing PVE mainly to be able to learn the Maps properly so that New years Wipe i can do PVP and feel more confident in knowing all the maps and moving around them and where all the task items are.

[@hansgruber101]

This is a great analysis of why the PvE mode is so popular. The most interesting thing to me is the high percentage of solo players now on PvE mode. I have often thought that Tarkov could benefit from solo only PvP lobbies. It would be very interesting to poll those solo players that have switched to PvE, to see if they would go back to PvP if solo only queues were added.

[@peterpandora620]

There are ways to purge the PvE aswell. Events where you don't get back insured items, this even happens naturally as casual people sometimes don't make it back on in time to claim their insured items. They could also host events mid wipe that allow you to convert your account to PvP at the cost of it then being wiped later.

[@Dankov0313]

Thank you for speaking out, this is what I’ve been saying ever since PVE came out. As for my personal experience, last wipe was my 10th wipe and to be honest I was fed up of doing old things just to be able to reach the new content. With PVE I get to enjoy all the new things without wasting my time on tasks I’ve done over a thousand times. Even though ur account doesn’t wipe the game still feels fresh because of all the new tasks they added. You can’t just go on the wiki

[@ryanloughlin3485]

I tried tarkov last year when it snowed for the first time. Got to level 23 and took a break. Its just nice to have a good game to come back to.

[@ryanbcatatarea51]

As someone who works 60+ hours a week I love that PVE lets me progress far beyond my best PVP wipes. Like you said, I have been able to learn and use things in the game that I have never experienced before. I have no doubts that this is the "training wheels" I needed to actually enjoy PVP. Like you said, it's mostly knowledge that gives you an advantage and if you just go out into a raid and die in the first 5 minutes it's very hard to learn anything.

[@Samjie]

I've just recently switched to PVE purely due to time constraints. I'm returning to university in the coming month and will have my time to play considerably reduced. I'm also teaching some friends the game, which is infinitely easier to do on PVE. PVE Tarkov is very easy, but most of my friends give up on the game prior to getting the flea if they hop on PVP.

[@ryanharvey2662]

You statement on pve being training wheels is exactly how I'm using it. I've tried to play for years and get shut down before any tasks get done. This is the first wipe I can kit out a m4 and begin to practice

[@Derderderheisst]

Great video. I‘m playing tarkov since 5 years now and barley got to max traders each wipe due to time and skill issues. With PvE I can try things out I never would have the time for in PvP (Lightkeeper, Kappa, etc) and I‘‘ having so much fun haha

[@jonne7725]

10:30 an idea that's been circulated a lot in my friend group is that the problem lies in the supressor meta, as it is having a supressor is a not even a choice since there's simply too many upsides and not enough downsides. the map subsequently feels empty as everyone sits shooting scavs with supressed weapons leading to zero knowledge about what the state of the map is, leading to even less reason to move around since there might be some guy with an M80 gun scanning that road, or that hill or whatever it is with the only way to know if players are around being grenades being thrown or scavs shooting. I was personally hoping supressor durability would be a thing this wipe but honestly I don't even think that will help since money is so renewable that it would just be included in the operating cost. A fix could be less upsides to supressors, or even a wipe where supressors aren't even available or only 9mm supressors are available, but as it is it just doesn't work. Nobody wants to be in a raid where everyone uses supressors.

[@justcallmesage2279]

As an advent gamer who tried to play Tarkov 2 years ago and was a bit overwhelmed with all of the mechanics and unexplained systems, PvE has allowed me to learn the game and even feel comfortable going into PvP every now and then to test my knowledge and skill as I progress. W take brother and W content! Godspeed🙏🏾

[@struggleryoutube]

i like playing both, i have 1500 hours on the game and being able to play pve with the click of a button now is pretty neat. Arena progression in pvp also allows me to approach the game from a much more relaxed standpoint and i'm all for it. I'm 22 and i feel like i age a year every raid i get into intense PVP in this game lmao.

[@slyderace]

One thing that would definitely bring PVE players back to PVP would be level capped servers, like Ground Zero. I would totally play on servers that capped players for every 20 levels - like GZ map being capped at level 20 for one mode and 21+ for another. I wish there were server caps for every 20 levels: 1-20, 21-40, 41+

[@rollins0681]

BSG NEEDS to implement Sain’s spt Ai overhaul mod code into pve, along with looting and questing bots. You’ll forget you’re playing pve.

[@sgt_samples]

I would appreciate a similar good-faith approach to the folks like myself who play SPT. I think the main reason people PvE is because it offers players much more control over several factors, such as time invested, the amount of stress experienced, and who they play the game with. SPT offers even more of that control, as well as the ability to try out all new content (such as new guns) or complete overhauls like Realism (which makes significant changes to every system like meds, ballistics, etc.) or Path to Tarkov, which turns the game into something closer to Stalker with proper map-to-map travel, much like the new "Marathon" mode. I gave up on live Tarkov years ago, and I'll never go back. Between cheaters, bad net code, and design choices that intentionally waste players' time, it was a terrible experience that just stressed me out. But with SPT, I can still play this amazing game exactly the way I want to, at my own pace, creating my own experience that is as hardcore or easy as I want.

[@Rosak]

You summed up my feelings perfectly. I can get 2-3 raids in an evening if I'm lucky; by the time I git level 15 in PvP my friends are closing in on 25-30. By the time I am 20, they are well into having all traders open etc. I don't have enough time to keep up, Ithe risk - reward cycle is just too punishing for my skills and time; with survival rate of 50 half the time I am not getting much out of the raids and usually end up push sniped, exit camped or just losing in a second. PvE has allowed me to play "risk free" and at my own pace without tryharding too much. Sure, PvE does not have the same highs as PvP so I'll probably end up playing PvP as well again after i get bored of PvE... but at the same time, PvE allows me to get a huge chunk of the positive Tarkov experience I crave pretty consistently and at a level where it still is enjoyable. Especially if they keep improving the AI and gameplay loop in PvE as well. Plus it has really allowed me to learn about the game much faster and easier than PvP did. Less stress allows me to focus on the games basics, like the tasks, the boss fights, map & loot layout etc. which is going to be helpful once I get back in PvP. All I can do is wait for my kids to get a bit older so I have more free time to game again... even though I'll be older and older, so we'll see how that goes.

[@PIDOFREAK]

I can't but agree on all the points you made, this sums it up really good and you are onto something

[@gundo7861]

I'm using it as a stepping stone to get into PvP just as you said, I have had the standard edition since 2021 and have played/quit numerous times as a solo player. The introduction of PvE has allowed me to become infinitely better in a few weeks than i have in years, I think this will overall save tarkov and allow for newer players to get into the game.

[@jarvy251]

"You don't know what you're doing wrong in Tarkov until you hit 500 hours." Totally agree, and to illustrate the barrier, Before Tarkov my most-played games of all time were tied at about 300 hours each. At over 2000 hours, Ive only gotten max traders twice. The time investment is insane, so I appreciate that in PvE, I can stop playing for a month or two, and then come back like nothing's changed, no rush. The tension and triumph of fighting other players isnt there, but a lot of other things are. I might not go back to PvP until 1.0 drops.

[@joshuaevans2404]

Very well said. Think someone had to say it eventually. Its why you are one of my favorite tarkov content creators. Keep doing what you are doing.

[@jakehrr]

One big reason for me is, I’ll spend like 20 mins in the menus setting up a kit, load into a raid, killed by the gigasweat (and hackers had 5 definites since wipe) and it’s just like ah yeah sure fun. It’s a good balance between hard but not crazy hard that I can still chill. I’m one of the couple hour a week guys so by now I’m already behind so many people in the wipe cycle that it just gets more and more unfair as time passes

[@warrenfukunaga]

I love the research done for this video and the structure of information provided… I also love watching your streams!! -IX Stabilizer

[@flog.3374]

Very good video with a very good and diverse opinion/view brought up to the community! For me it is mainly the skill issue part, I was more or less a new player two wipes ago and didnt enjoy it, tarkov is about knowing the map, the loadout the how to loot, where to loot, where you can run and where not etc. I played labs for the first time in pve, you simply just cant play the map as a new player. Its a pretty long learning curve taking off as you said far in the 400+ hours. For new players its like 90% of the time how did I die, than they go on social media and only see "chad" destroyes 5 stack or "cheater" problem in tarkov and they think ohh i only play against no lifer and cheater great. It is part of the game like everyone goes through it but I think its one of the hardest starts out there in a game. So i think many people arent having too much fun with pvp switching to pve doing one playthrough and are done. I dont think so many guys will see it as a playground, testing area because you play completly differently and when you would come back to pvp you would have still some frustrating issues. A big problem for me is the huge potential of the game and the so little things bsg is doing in my view. The hideout needs to load every single time when not used every 3 minutes or so, there are so many loading and just freezing moments, the lighting, even on new factory a new map, the sound, the performance. So many points to work on and in my view they improve too little to get more people back or into the game. No one is talking about new server configs, like in other genres. Skill or level based matchmaking, dou triple or lone wolf fighter servers where you can chose where to play or you cant chose. In some racing games you pay like 10 euros a month to have clear racing without unfair contact or just getting pushed off the track, you report someone 3 times hes getting a perma ban for this server. Tarkov needs to improve faster and in better quality some nice events like the travel around the maps arent enough with more competition around the corner...

[@Gunter-mf4iw]

Meanwhile Im chilling in the SPT having chopper extract me, having thunderbolt assist me when needed and dozen other cool mods

[@johndory649]

People will return to pvp when the game stops periodically wiping. As a casual player putting so many hours into a game the constant struggle when I am under geared is fun but when I start to get good gear it all gets reset and that makes me not bother with the following wipe. It’s not just trying to compete in a race while handicapped, it’s like running that same race over and over knowing I am disadvantaged. That game loop gets pretty sucky

[@SnapandBoomGaming]

A lot of us don’t have the time to grind PVP and when you are behind playing against other players it sucks. I have played since 2018 and constant wipes has killed my joy doing pocket watch over and over and over. I agree with your video I have never hit max skills besides strength and metabolism. I’m a solo player and you are 1000000% right I do love the engagement of PvP fighting but I can do it on arena now and just have fun PvP when I feel like it and I can do task and play PVE when I feel like it

[@Cam64viper]

Yes to all of the above! I can't play much so having PvE not wiping helped me get past lvl1 traders and expanded the equipment pool so it was fun again. Would always get stomped by people with gear better than mine so I quit playing because I couldn't compete, wipe after wipe. I will say, I do miss the risk reward factor of taking cool items into raid and trying not to lose them, and I really miss the crazy fights that would happen against players. I would definitely come back to PvP if I were able to progress with any consistency, the challenge is incredibly fun!

[@jhnsbrgr3100]

I switched over to PVE along with a buddy and we are loving it. I have hit level 41 and during the wipe cycles I hit 29 as my max. The AI PMCs are plenty difficult and the latest wipe changes have the AI scavs hurling grenades with pinpoint accuracy so its rarely a cakewalk. I'm glad they released it.

[@VadeSatana]

PVE has brought my enjoyment back for Tarkov... yea it doesn't give you the thrill of a good PVP fight; it does give you the ability to chill and enjoy learning things you haven't experienced further down the line. Also, the exhaustion of wipe has always been that double edge. I want to get father into stuff during wipe, but time prevents it and then your discouraged about having to reset the whole thing again...

[@thor4506]

One point about the insurance being 100% return in PvE. I'm running about a 70% return on Insurance. I play my PMC with a friend and if he doesn't grab my gear there is a good chance that gear is gone.

[@josephsnyder7212]

This, I was running a mutant with good mods and funny enough insurance got me back my base gun but all the mods were stripped off like in PVP. I thought it was funny

[@dieseljester3466]

PVE Tarkov brought me back to the game. I don't have any friends that play Tarkov so I play solo. So yeah, ultra hard mode for me. I also like the fact that my progress won't reset every so often and I'm not paranoid that I'm going to get zapped by another player within seconds of spawning in. I don't feel like I'm rushed or there's as much of a skill curve that I have to overcome to keep up with the other players.

[@MrSchmickles]

All valid points man - solid video but one nitpick that I wouldn't expect you or most people who play pve to necessarily know about the insurance: I think that has some kind of weird balancing or scaling of some kind with PMC level. I can't really say for certain when I stopped getting full kits back but it was sometime around the high 30's early 40's. I still get at least part of my kit back like my rig, some of my mags, armor and / or maybe helmet but I'm consistently missing headsets, bags, and I couldn't tell you the last time I got a weapon back lol

[@testgame2742]

I believe the fact that you can sync 100% of roubles and arena also disturbed it

[@Saraboala57]

I played SPT throughout the last wipe with modded hard bots. I feel doing the quests, learning the maps, and fighting Scav bosses, improved my gamplay 10 fold! Even my gunplay is better, since I don't panic everytime I see an enemy PMC. I think PVE as a tutorial is a really great tool.

[@robracer97]

Loading into a PvE match in under 30 seconds is what sold me permanently

[@milkman4245]

Great video man, love your music Much love from Australia

[@nosamwillis5532]

After 4k hours of exclusively PVP… I’m super happy that PVE is here. I don’t have to rush, and I can just… do it whenever. I also like getting access to content early, that’s something I have been looking forward to.

[@atlas2296]

I have been playing PvE tarkov this entire wipe so far and honestly, sometimes the AI PMCs can feel very similar to player PMCs. I have done scav runs on lighthouse and halfway through witness a firefight between Rogues and a group of BEAR PMCs, I manage to steal some loot from some of the bodies after the PMCs leave to go to the next building. I have been on woods with a scoped SKS and hear a firefight inside the med camp. I head over and its still happening. I 1 tap 2 of the last players and discover at least 5 other bodies lying around BSG actually did a very good job at making the game feel like it wasn't revolving around you. PvE, even though it is all about you, somehow feels like you are just in the world and the world isn't about you. I will hear gunshots in the distance slowly moving across the map, eventually I get to them and find a single lone BEAR PMC and a scav lying over his body. I hear gunshots and an explosion in the distance, head over and kill Partisan, find 3 dead PMCs in a corner all dead to Partisan

[@haloninjax542]

I love the learning and experience of doing things I've never gotten to in PvE... HOWEVER There is just an adrenaline high to killing a real player or outhinking a 5 man that PvE doesn't have for me. I enjoy one for the slow steady experience and the other for the competitiveness. I think ultimately both have SOMETHING to bring to the table to make a very enjoyable whole

[@sqike001ton]

i love the PVE i have on dabbled in it personally i still used the forbidden single player but that is because mods exist there once that flood gate is open i am going to make the switch i like knowing im not going to run into a sweat chad who is better equipped and better skilled