Death Shake 4 - Search for a cause

[@Creed28]

Js, during Raptor Assault they warned us about the death shake from the steering wheel. I do not think anyone got it, but the fact they are warning about it probably means this is a well known issue by Ford that they do not have a solution for. I went to Ford Raptor Assault on August 12, 2020 had a blast!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Holy Crap. When I did raptor Assault in 2017, they were not talking about the death shake at all. This is news to me and I wish more would talk about it. But even though Raptor assault is connected and funded by Ford, They have a separate company running it. They expect those trucks to have problems because of the abuse they take, and they literally go thru every inch of that suspension after every single class. You would hope that Ford take lessons learned from how those trucks do after heavy abuse. But the fact that my 2020 has this issues and has it consistently tells me they are not listening to those guys at Raptor Assault at all.

[@Creed28]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad honestly dude, I would lemon law. I can only imagine how stressed out you are. If my raptor had this problem I would be bald lol

[@joen8joe231]

Nice investigative work Helio. I agree it appears to be software/sensor related in the steering system. Ford needs to capture the telemetry and debug it. Keep up the good work and I’m glad you are not giving up on it. I’m a first time 2020 Raptor owner so this information is gold.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I’m hoping Ford takes our findings and tries to figure out what In the code or what sensors are causing this. Fingers crossed. Only drawback is that it’s the worst time of year. Everyone is getting ready for vacation and down time plus Covid.

[@williamramos5009]

I'm so glad you speaking on this because I very been in the market for a Raptor for two years now. I don't want a brand new one can't afford one right now ( kids, college etc ) but I have test drove two 2010 SVTs, 3 - 2013 s and 1 2012 all of them had a front end shake that MADE ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE PURCHASING THEM. I am convinced there is a problem with Ford Raptor front ends it's not possible for all these trucks from different locations in NY and NJ to all have the same issue. So thanks for undressing this issue and bringing it to the fore front , I think a recall is in order Ford, too much for this truck for this to be happening. Still looking for a good used Raptor in LI, NY .

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

2010-2014 have hydraulic front ends that won’t see this issue. This is only for 2017-present raptors and you won’t see it till you push the truck offroad. If you felt vibration on a test drive it’s most likely the tires. It’s hard to balance large offroad tires and if you’ve never driven a truck with 35s or larger, some vibration is normal due to the bigger tires. . Excessive is not and most likely due to either bad joints that on 2010-2014 trucks are probably overdue for replacement or a bad balance on the tires

[@ddubdb3]

Have you tried disconnecting the front wheel speed sensors ? Truck will alert but whatever is going on has to be getting it’s input from the wheel speed sensors

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

No, not yet. But I do know what will happen when I do. On the Gen2 Raptor the ABS and traction control system play a big part in how the drive modes and steering work. If you disable just one speed sensor, all drive modes, ABS, Traction control, steering modes, and the steering itself. On my 17, the only time she had to ride in a flat bed was because I cut a speed sensor line that got loose. Could not even turn the steering wheel while driving down the road.

[@ddubdb3]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad dam I figured it would alert but not completely disable the rack. Can you feel the abs unit actuating in the brake pedal when the death shake occurs?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@ddubdb3 no, not really, but the brakes are pretty numb on this thing. You can hear it though, even in the clips here

[@mannypires8442]

In video with wheel going on wash board and braking. Looks like your lower control arm is moving to much. It seems lower control arm bushing are made of soft rubber. Maybe need harder compound in control arm bushing.

[@ArmasReverence]

Commendable dedication, gave you a like. You should be a Ford engineer hahahaha

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 ford engineers did not like this video series much.

[@seadoomania]

I got the same truck and live in Australia and have no warranty , I feel your frustration my man , what a head fuck and I also read that cam phasers have to replaced sometime

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

No warranty would suck. Cam phaser is the most common issue in the Raptors. I’ve had 2 and been lucky not to have experienced it on either truck.

[@neilcastelli7505]

Plus your 17 was the perfect color

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

It was 😭😭😭. I miss my “white” truck

[@marcoperez4712]

Have they replaced the tie rods, the oem tie rods could be better. Consider upgrading your tie rods to aftermarket ones that use a heim joints instead of ball joints, since you really use your truck for what its intended for. Seems you have severe bump steer problem.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Ties rods have been replaced twice. I’m not a fan of aftermarket tie rods. The Heim joints add some extra play in the steering that I don’t like. I had them in my 17, and did not like them. And they Heim joints wear out quick and have to be replaced often with heavy offroad use. Heim joints just don’t last as long as ball joints. At $75 each, it gets expensive to replace every few months.

[@mrnavy2]

Dude, I was ready to congratulate you until I finished watching the Video. I only have a Lariat, but am very interested in this to see what it is. Good Luck. Thanks. Keep The Faith.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man. We were so exited when it started to go away too. The steering rack in your lariat, if it’s 2015 or newer is identical to mine. So if you push it, you may see it too. I don’t recommend it though as it may damage your rack.

[@mrnavy2]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad yes, my Lariat is a 18. Would like to try it out. On the highway, there is no problem but I will check in the Jersey Pines here.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@mrnavy2 just be careful man. This only happens on rough roads. Once it happens it can damage your steering rack or other components connected to it like the tie rods and steering links.

[@Desert_plague]

Hope you find a fix ! It blows not being able to enjoy the truck like u should.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Not being able to trust the truck is the hardest part. Not knowing which way the steering will point after every bump or everytime I hit the brakes gets super annoying

[@dalemcconnell2638]

Hey, is the lane keep assist turned off? It shouldn't activate in this situation but maybe worth a try?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

always off on my truck. Only used it when I got my 17 reports to get used to the size of the truck on the highway. after that I've never used it because it does not actually works. Just ping pongs from side to side.

[@wayne7886]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Lane asset will shake my wheel during normal driving conditions. I experienced that issue last week and thought of your situation, Software Issue. The shaking was very noticeable and annoying. Are you able to confirm the lane asset option is disabled at all times? I Hope you and ford figure it out.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@wayne7886 lane assist is disabled by the button in the center console. I disabled drift assist which is very different and it has reduced the shaking when stopping.

[@wayne7886]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I accidently turned lane asset on and didn’t notice it, then the shaking started, I was surprised how much the wheel would shake. I never tried lane asset before. Not a big fan of all the tech. I was thinking something was wrong with the truck. I disabled that feature and it stopped. I immediately thought of you and Software came to mind. I think you are on the right path. Keep up the faith. Thanks for the videos and knowledge.

[@weldoid]

Hi guys been watching your great videos for awhile; fellow gen2 raptor owner (2019). I haven't seen or heard any mention of scrub radius when discussing your problem. Adding scrub radius is notorious for causing excessive feedback in the steering wheel. Adding the 37s almost certainly added too much scrub radius, but fortunately certain adjustments (such as changing wheel offset) can bring it back to zero or slightly positive. Hope it helps, my apologies if this has already been explored.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Has not been brought up yet. I’ve replicated the issue with stock wheels at -34 offset and with the 37s at 0 offset. The 37s do make it worse but I can feel it and replicate as regularly with the stock 35s.

[@weldoid]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I wonder what the stock scrub radius measurement is? Maybe ford got it wrong for hard off-roading? I mean maybe the front end geometry was designed with a pavement bias (since most owners don't go off the road much). I'm not near my truck otherwise I'd measure. I think it'd be worth while to get the SR close to zero (if it's not already) and see if that helps.It could be adjusted via UCA length if one was set on a certain tire/wheel combo. Good reason for a new video? I'm sure you already know this, but you can get a quick rough measurement of the SR by turning the front wheels left and right on clean concrete so they leave marks. Then measure between the centers of the marks. Compare this to the front track width measurement (center to center of the front tires at ride height)...

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@weldoid I actually no nothing about this stuff. So it’s something I will have to research for sure. But I still think my issue is software. Turning off electronic components like live valves or steering features like pull drift, reduce it substantially. I have to be going faster and harder to replicate.

[@h250riders]

I think the problem is that its missing 2 cylinders under the hood 😆. V-8 power dude 💪. JK. Just felt like cracking a joke. I feel for ya man. Good luck finding the problem

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣 took the 2 cylinder and put in 2 turbos instead. Thanks man. Hoping we get Ford coming up with a solution soon.

[@harveysingh8785]

Could it be slamming the brakes on washboard or an extremely bumpy road? Wouldn’t that inevitably shake your steering as the suspension is violently shaking as it’s stopping? If it only does it in one scenario, maybe avoid that one scenario ?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Can’t avoid breaking on hard terrain with fast off-roading. And it eventually wears everything out so just rolling over a small wash at speed causes a jerk.

[@eatsleepdrive7034]

Find the cause because I’m having these problems too, my truck needs a lot of help lol

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Fingers crossed Ford takes it seriously this time

[@ElJoeRN]

Have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in. Seems to work for most things that don't wanna work 🤷‍♂️

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 Yep, we have

[@erikracz4162]

Hey, your one smart dude, you know your truck better than the people who built it. Good job, very informative, love this channel, and watch diligently! Awesome. 👍

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man.

[@acoustictreatmentservices9926]

Are you near Santa Clarita? looks familiar where you are driving. So to avoid the steering wheel kicking around just don't brake. Easy. I will eventually knock out the suspension and electronic steering/parking brake garbage.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Don’t brake hard on washboards. Sometimes you can’t avoid it. As the problem gets worse the steering will jerk every time you roll over a wash.

[@acoustictreatmentservices9926]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Sounds like you need to go the route I am going. Base model f-150 for about 40k then add another 40k in suspension, steering, fiberglass and tubes. you have a raptor punisher with a V8 that you can also supercharge, etc.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@acoustictreatmentservices9926 you still have the same rack unless you get something older than 2015

[@acoustictreatmentservices9926]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Yeah. It will eventually be removed. I am focusing on the rear suspension right now. I drove from ridgecrest to palmdale yesterday on mostly trails. 2020 f-150 fx4 5.0 with just basic 17" methods and 285 all terrains. I already cut the front frame and did a bumper. switched out the front shocks for some fox 2.5s. I drove down a steep mountain and all kinds of crazy obstacles yesterday and i did get the wobble a few times. I was actually surprised with how capable a basically stock truck is. I imagine its obviously better on a raptor. I will join you on the next run for sure so we can compare

[@vancity_coaster]

I hope your truck really helps ford fix things. I’ve given up and traded trucks in before. It doesn’t feel good.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks, me too. Getting another truck is tough right now since they are not making anymore. And no guarantee it won’t have the issue either. So trying to get it fixed

[@vancity_coaster]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad it almost makes me want to sell mine but then 🤷🏼‍♂️ what would I buy? Noting is available in Canada as well. Some dealers have no trucks...

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@vancity_coaster nothing really compares to a Raptor but another Raptor. And pickings are getting slim down here too.

[@M3ichael]

Your truck should be named the Blue Pearl (Think Black Pearl from Pirates of the Caribbean) The curse of the Blue Pearl will be solved by taking a Ford Engineer to the fountain of youth aka the Colorado River. Epic times will be had, many thumbs will be lost in sacrifice.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣 I may have to use that for a future video title.

[@rhodog11]

Great videos. Sorry your having issues with the truck. I have a 2017 Raptor don't take if off road much. What tires would you recommend? Toyo 35" RT or MT or Nitto Ridge Grapplers?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I’m a big fan of the Toyo RTs. Best tire I’ve used so far. Great grip on and offroad. Good longevity and relatively low noise.

[@niels00081]

Ahhh man, I feel for you , its a lot of money that we spend on these trucks and to have these issues.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man.

[@bwpospolyta]

Hey you think maybe it’s a safety thing tgat over a certain miles per hour it can NOT be disabled? Seems like you figured it out on lower mikes per hour; I know manufacturers have things built in that can not be disabled like certain traction control on corvettes etc I think Porsche does this also.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Very good point. Did not even think about that. You may be right here that over a certain speed, or certain conditions, pull drift can’t be disabled and always interjects. I shared these clips with Ford. Hoping they can provide more insight here in the coming weeks

[@wheelerk2012]

I remember at Raptor Assault course, they said that even though you can turn off traction control, there is still one engineer in there watch and assisting. :-) In other words, it is not completely disabled for your own safety. :-)

[@timpearson4040]

Death shake seems to be in a lot of different trucks, Jeeps, ect. You said yourself its different from the 17. IT'S A LEMON, the only way you can be sure it's not TOTALLY cronic is get a new one do the same mods and see what happens.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

True. The death wobble in the jeeps and super duty’s though is a little different. Cheap or worn ball joints cause most of that. And it’s more constant. The death Shake on the Raptor is more inconsistent. Only happens offroad, requires heavy breaking, and it’s totally software related as we are finding out here. I wish I could just have someone else come test with me in a newer or older truck. But we literally all have the same rack in our truck. Don’t want them to destroy their racks too in the process

[@Teamotoring]

You will find the issue soon when factory rep helps, just don't buy the 2021 Raptor their will be more Gremlins to deal with :). I have the same Raptor but don't have the buget to push it hard like your yours. I know you wont give up

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Thanks man. My first year 17 was awesome. More hands on quality control on first year trucks from Ford. I still miss that truck everyday

[@imNotMeWhenimHungry]

I've heard some people say that the new live valve shocks on the 19 and 20 are much stiffer than the 17-18 maybe it's the shocks?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Ive heard that too. BUT, the shocks are not the problem. Shocks are performing as they should and under extreme situations I was seeing the same on my 2017 when she got to 60K miles and had 37s on her. I think it's software. and it's damaging the steering, ball joins, and steering shafts pre-maturely in the process.

[@sergioacevedo2874]

Are you braking on a washboard? I’ve never had that as far as I know on my 17 I’d be down to help as a older model comparison without live valve and stuff.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

The speeds and how rough the road is are key here. Heavy chop with braking at 40 and 50 mph. But be warned man. This can damage your rack. I don’t recommend it unless you have a warranty and are ready for the potential damage it may cause.

[@sergioacevedo2874]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I have like a 9 year esp lol already got one changed. Have you tried pulling the abs fuse or something since you are braking even though advance trac is off maybe abs is still on and pulling the steering with braking assist

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@sergioacevedo2874 no, not yet. But it’s something to try next. Need to see if disabling live valve, or abs, or something like that could help eliminate it

[@lynnborri8290]

Is there any difference between the 3 steering mode settings?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

No, I’ve only tested on standard and comfort mode and it feels the same. I don’t dare try in sport mode.

[@lynnborri8290]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad have you ruled out bump steer as the cause?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@lynnborri8290 no not yet. But disabling electronic system like pull drift or the live valves reduces the effects so I think it’s software or a bad module somewhere

[@Blue_Flame_Raptor]

Another case of too much technology. Good luck getting her fixed up🙏

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Totally agree. This is definitely software related. An unfortunately, there are no alternatives with this truck

[@mirage2887]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Electronic steering vs hydraulic steering maybe not such a good thing in the new trucks

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@mirage2887 yeah I know. but all manufacturers are going to electronic steering

[@jonburtness9313]

OK- One more suggestion.. It appears that the front struts are hydro locking. Think about it; when the strut locks out, the live valve hydro locks and therefore sends every tiny ripple into the steering wheel. My Question for you; Has ford replaced the front live valve struts or have you tried the Live Valve Delete? Ditch the stock setup, you are totally over driving the limits of the live valve capability!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

I'm definitely at the limits of what the truck can handle. I have tried to disconnect the live valve, that little cable where the delete would go into, and saw no change. Here is the odd thing. It does not feel like to road is moving the wheels. I feels and sounds like something is activating the electronic motor on the steering rack and oscillating the front wheels and the steering wheel at full power. In the videos you can hear how loud the shaking is. I think the Live Valve are contributing. Who knows, they may be the system activating the steering rack somehow. I don't know. I took the truck back to stock and this weekend I'm going to replicate. If it happens then we know it's not the upgrades and something wrong with this truck. If it does not, it means this truck can't handle even the mildest of upgrades which in my mind is even worse.

[@jonburtness9313]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad If you've got more than about 4 weekends of high speed offroad use, maybe get the shock fluid changed. The desert is brutally harsh on suspension and should be freshened up fairly often.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@jonburtness9313 lol. These and any shocks are designed to last more than 4 weekends. Fox states 50k miles, other shocks like the icon and bypass shocks need it more often like every 25k miles. 4 weekends and a few hundreds miles is nothing

[@jonburtness9313]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad When the manufacturer says it will last 50k miles, they are talking about street miles, not offroad. And btw- it's 30k, at least for my 18. All I can say to you is; you've been chasing this problem for a long time and the truck continues to get worse. Why don't you just buy some new struts from tasco parts and see if it goes away? I think they're about 525 each. Personally, I would probably buy the king IBP or fox IBP's and be done with it. I bought my 18 with 28k miles from the family of a kid in Vegas that overdosed, and that suspension was fooked! springs too! Not saying I'm right about your issues, but I'd hate to see you sell it. At least try some new shocks and I'll bet it goes away. Hope you find the cure bro- btw, your kid is funny as shit LOL!!

[@osodeep6]

Disable ABS? Seems that it is associated to braking only.. Perhaps a dirty or bad ABS Sensor? or chaffed wire and the system is trying to compensate for a wheel breaking more than another.. Uneven break clamping would seem to be why it is violently pulling the wheel out of your hands... My brother in law had a bad ABS sensor on a truck whos name we won't mention here but it violently yanked the wheel out of his hands. Luckily it didn't cause an accident. In his case though one wheel locked while the other didn't... Replaced ABS sensors, never another problem. The truck was brand new.. My two cents!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Disabling ABS is the best test. Just need to be careful because disabling ABS can make the truck un drivable. Last time I damaged a wheel speed sensor, steering just turned off completely.

[@osodeep6]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I wonder if wheel speed sensors can cause the ABS to trip balls if they are not calculating the wheel speed correctly... I hate these type of issues. They can be so frustrating.. Does it throw any codes that you can check or any real time analysis that can be checked deep in the system? Does Ford have a recorder that you can plug in to test.. I can't recall what that is called but I was given one for an issue I was having on my Audi and we caught the codes that didn't come up during a regular scan as the faults were intermittent. That helped us got it straightened out.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@osodeep6 before the last service visit, the Shake got really bad and she threw some codes. But none that we could read even with a code reader that could see ABS or SRS codes. It was something only the dealer could see and it told them the lower steering driveshaft had too much play and had to be disabled

[@Drohead20]

Hope you find that CASUE!

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I suck at spelling 🤦‍♂️

[@ItsWhatiLike]

My 2019 PB is stock and no death shake

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

That’s good and hope you never see it man. But Have you replicated the same conditions? Chances are your truck has it. But you have to be pushing it to see it. Most won’t push their trucks like I do, and this truck did it from the first time I hit trails with a fully stock suspension

[@ricky110882]

Does this happen in normal, sport and baja driving modes?

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Happens in all modes. I’ve tested in normal, sport, Baja, mud sand. Also tested int the different steering modes from sport to comfort. Sport mode is the worst. Communicates the most back. It’s the most dangerous too. In these clips i was in Normal mode and Baja. All the washboard test are in normal mode with steering in comfort

[@ricky110882]

@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad that sucks man. 18 raptor here and when im in sport mode sometimes the truck shifts so hard that i check behind me to see if i was just rear ended. Took it in and they flashed the computer and it worked for a while. So I just dont drive in sport unless im acting a fool. i can only imagine the mental torment of going through what you are. Good luck and keep us updated. Honestly, just lemon that thing and make Ford give you a new truck. I get the attachments but once you have a new girl you’ll forget all about the old one

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

@@ricky110882 getting a new one may not solve the problem and that’s part of my concern. If I lemon the truck I won’t be getting another Gen2. Maybe find a cheap Gen1 and wait for the Gen3

[@eatsleepdrive7034]

That wheel shake is NOTICEABLY apparent, whole front end really. 🤦‍♂️

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Yeah, someone pointed out it’s so violent, the whole lower control arm is shaking front to back

[@myrongaines5542]

Sell the truck now since the market is high , drive the BMW until the gen3 hits the scene

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Can’t, not until the lemon law case is done.

[@owenp.39]

Ford watching this like 👀 “hoping someone total’s it before they lemon law it, or more warranty work.” So it would be the Insurance problem not Fords 😹

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣 not me. My insurance is way too high as it is with 2 teenage drivers.

[@erikracz4162]

You should have more faith in raptors, they are the best built in the whole Ford line up, I’ve owned 4 of them, and would bet my life on this die hard beast! Ford preformance!

[@Bajaboii]

It’s cause it’s not a gen 1 😳

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@THETERPZ]

Lemon law it. Get a new one 👌

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Considering what I’ve learned so far, this may be a problem with all Fords with electronic steering getting a new one would not solve the problem, and could potentially be more expensive.

[@steveadams8977]

Dam bro 🤦‍♂️ At this point just lemon law it. I have a 2019 and have none of these issues. Barley 20K in let alone with 50-70k miles. Grab a 2020 white 1 lemon law it. That truck just has bad mojo and was built on a Friday.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

A part of me wants to just get rid of this headache. But the obsessive side of me wants to figure out how to fix it. I know others are seeing the same problem. Not to the level I am, but very few push their trucks to the limits I do. I don’t know man. Right now Raptor prices and selection is nuts so I’m leaning towards trying to fix it. But if it’s not fixed, I don’t think I’ll get another Gen2. I may do a Gen1 until the Gen3 comes out

[@makeamericagreatagain7314]

Needs torsion bars ....

[@RaptorRZR]

Need more camber

[@foxbahary9220]

Stop putting it in soft mode in the desert

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

Soft mode? Do you mean comfort steering mode or something else?

[@mo_muscle3513]

🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Juanitoabusadorcachondo]

No bueno amigo🥲

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

No Bueno at all!!

[@pmurphy12667]

Chevy....thats all I have to say.

[@KeepItDirtyOffRoad]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 have your seen what the new chevys look like 🤢

[@perfectsnake6969]

Chevy is as American as Panda Express