Deathbombing in Touhou [Explanation&Guide]

[@Yatsuzume]

4:09 well, this is not a good analogy anymore.....

[@cali86784]

TANNED.CIRNO.

[@shakirashipslied9721]

Tanned Cirno is Best Cirno Still fucking dumb

[@ElseeKay]

was about to say

[@auxchar]

I was able to pause on the red square, but after I started watching for visual cues. Maybe another way to put it would be death bombing is the bullet hell equivalent of coyote time from platformers?

[@Bravidunno]

5:08 The subs says you would like to end us all good luck on our X pressing endeavors.

[@WomanSlayer69420]

I deathbomb way too many times on accident because I go like "I can't handle this spell, therefore, bomb."

[@Yatsuzume]

That means you're doing it right

[@WomanSlayer69420]

by the way, I beat my first EX stage today! I feel so accomplished like never before.

[@abarette_]

me against Sakuya in a nutshell lmao

[@victorvirgili4447]

That’s… that’s how bombing works…

[@NutyRiver]

"As incapable as an ice fairy during summer." Summer Cirno would like a word with you...

[@wheresmarisa1706]

"Tanned" Cirno, as by ZUN.

[@wheresmarisa1706]

Can't wait for TH16 bty.

[@Bravidunno]

WheresMarisa!!! "Alolan" Cirno for reference.

[@liloldman5998]

@@wheresmarisa1706 Cirno (with a tan)

[@cristixyz]

"The red square is my friend and I would like it if you could treat him with respect" This is what years of video games can do to a person. Take notes!

[@redstonegate5896]

Did you know that alchohol increases the chance of pulling off a deathbomb for touhou games in hard and lunatic difficulty but also increases the risk of missing with bombs in stock?

[@incommunicado_o]

is this a joke about calling your X ?

[@kyactus2046]

4:15 more incapable than an ice fairy in summer W ELL YOU SEE

[@lyneyra]

2:40 at first i didn't even see that red square because I blinked at the EXACT same time and thought of a troll, guess that proves your point even further x)

[@Spaztron64]

To me the death sound is so loud and irritating that it always makes me unconsciously press X. Sometimes that makes me deathbomb, other times it doesn't.

[@GarryDumblowski]

Just out of curiosity, does your index finger twitch when you hear it even if it's not on the X key?

[@РоманГогешвили]

Maybe you are anticiapting it and try to avoid the sound with a bomb?

[@РоманГогешвили]

props to zun for making such obnoxious hit sound, it sure helps with the early stages of learning

[@dirtkiller23]

@@РоманГогешвили good tf2 killsound,thank you zun,very cool.

[@Korotan_]

My brain just dies when I hear the death sound so whenever I pull off a deathbomb on complete accident to try and save myself from death, my brain just dies and gets confused lol

[@wheresmarisa1706]

Oh so that's why I lost a bomb instead of a life in EoSD Stage 6 even though I clearly heard a death sound!!! Well done ZUN. Now I'm back to grinding.

[@TeaDrinkingColonist]

A death bomb is a death bomb. You can't just say it's half a death bomb

[@HaxeRain]

how many half death bombs does it take to finish a stage

[@tarragon112]

@@HaxeRain none (just get good and give yourself no bombs)

[@thplayer635]

Great video, someone needed to straighten out these misconceptions.

[@akamer9430]

Trying to pause on the red square on mobile while the pause button keeps disappearing is even more impossible.

[@wthenioush4545]

4:12 Like an Ice fairy in Summer... Tanned Cirno:3

[@grayshadow2597]

It's the adrenaline I believe, like how time feels slower when u sprint at max speed. Time feels slower as well when you are dodging bullets with full concentration.

[@kalenipclaw5683]

love how hsifs came along and made the "ice fairy during summer" analogy more useless than a generic fairy enemy already in the line of fire

[@Bravidunno]

Yats : ...and wish you all good luck on your X pressing endeavors. Meanwhile... Oparer : I PRESSED X!!!

[@Bravidunno]

Eirin : Git Gud. Me : Thank you master. 3:17 Wow, like this is fair.

[@abarette_]

Well, it is lol

[@Snakke40]

Great video Yatsukoek2012! All jokes aside, this was a really good and extensive video! Good job!

[@minhh1356]

You can make the reaction "involuntary" by playing really much. Your index finger will move when you die, which counts as a reflex, so pure natural reaction can help you deathbomb as well, though inconsistent and still requires lots of practice

[@alicemargatroid6758]

I did my first ever deathbomb on IN stage 6A Eirin Yagokoro Boss.

[@testhekid]

cleared so many misconceptions that i had on the feature, amazing work

[@fumofumonomarisa]

... Is that chicken invaders 4 I saw on the first clip of the video? You sir, are an amazing individual.

[@longlivethe9989]

I actually stopped when the square appeared... Well, technically it wasn't me, the internet basically lagged at the right moment.

[@bubbablue4930]

I accidentally deathbombed a few times, so I tried to figure out more amd here I am. Thank you for making the guide, I understand this mechanic much better now.

[@bits3608]

Note for all viewers: The bomb test is incorrect, as i have measured it is the harder EoSD timing (6 frames) not the normal timing (8 frames), 2:39 and use , to skip 1 frame back and . to skip one frame forward

[@williamarkwright1805]

Didn't expect to see Chicken Invaders in here.

[@dominiquedeen2113]

'If not, then you're an idiot who runs straight into bullets' ha, I do that even without attempting to deathbomb

[@xR1n02]

Why the begin is chicken invaders 4 .-.

[@LegoLad659]

Turns out I was one of the guys who had the wrong idea about deathbombing XD Thanks for making this video! I'll try not to rely on it so much, since it only seems to get me killed XD

[@zad_rasera]

me too .___.

[@ruikirisame1744]

it took me more than 10 times. but i managed to pause the video at 2:39 before the death sound but while the square was on screen. it's no wonder i can't deathbomb in touhou

[@ruikirisame1744]

WITHOUT USING THE SPEED FUNCTION XD

[@Yatsuzume]

The problem with doing this test multiple times is that after a while you will (subconsciously) pick up auditory and visual cues, making anticipation play a role as well. Which is exactly why deathbombing frequently is possible.

[@luthierisbestboy8177]

1:16 Thanks for not showing the Border Team. I get the Border Team has a larger window than the other teams, but IN is very generous in granting more time for a deathbomb that you can pull it off with other characters. Thanks for representing us non-Border Team players. (Ghost Team player, btw.)

[@flariz4824]

Nice vid. I always loved deathbombing and I think I do it rather frequently, most of the times, it simply happens. Except on EoSD... I hate how deathbombing works there... -Also, did you forget about PCB Reimu´s extended Deathbomb timer.- -I mean you explained EoSD nerfing the db timer, IN´s last spells, TD DeathTrance, MoF db scoring strat... but no mention of PCB 0,25secs db timer Reimu? :/ (Plus it could have been used as an example where "Reflexive Deathbombing" is very possible)- I also heard Marisa and Sakuya have different deathbomb timers on PCB, but dont quote me on that. The Reimu thing is definitely a thing though. EDIT: Nevermind I cant read. Well still can somebody confirm the Marisa and Sakuya thing? Lastly, I missed the red square, but not by much. I probably could get it if I try 1 more time but I feel like that would be cheating. I already lost :(

[@Yatsuzume]

Sakuya has db timer of 6, Marisa has 8 frames. www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=17937.msg1161284#msg1161284

[@abarette_]

Yeah, with Reimu you can reflex deathbomb but still is ridiculously hard/pointless

[@Silver-hk7gq]

When I did my first deathbomb, it was completely on accident before I even knew how to properly use bombs. Yay...

[@mavi3348]

For so reason I can only do this well in EoSD

[@Carpatouille]

The test with the red square was pretty funny to test it out

[@fiendfi7119]

I've deathbombed twice in EoSD and they were in response to realizing I couldn't dodge the bullets and trying to clear the screen with a bomb. if I get hit by a bullet I didn't see/anticipate, no way in hell am I deathbombing on reaction.

[@doutchebags]

When I first played EoSD on normal after weeks of playing on easy I accidentally learned how to deathbomb in the middle of a 1cc attempt. I saved the replay, but it didn't recognize the deathbombs. I was still new to a lot, but what was worse was the fact that I always had trouble deathbombing afterwards. Made me think the replay glitched out.

[@jastintheceooffinanasapost6204]

oh mainbe you cant throw the bomb in the exactly moment but you can do a bit before when you learn when the bullet will inpact and you can shot the bomb before it....LIKE IN THE VIDEO I HIT THE BOX!!! BIFURI It ZUNds

[@ceylamb]

why am i watching like 10 touhou videos i have never and probably will never play it

[@XziledBlog]

sometimes deathbombing is the only choice... and it hurts

[@canideletethischannelnow2642]

master i have very quick reflexes that i was able to click the pause button when a text showed up after the red square

[@TrickOfHat]

Nice video, keep it up the good work!

[@goodname3838]

i have an uncanny skill of "oh god this is going to hit me" and death bombing

[@1ce_s0n1c]

fun fact: the red square appeared for 6 frames(assuming that youtube didn't fuck up their per frame function)

[@elephantt2077]

Touhou n00bs : 8 frames? That's too narrow for a window! Devil May Cry 3 Royal Guard mains : *pffffff*

[@kentatanpopo]

3:41 what a familiar song * look at description * ah yes, Lotus Land Story

[@Flowery0]

I may have gotton some deathbombs on pure reaction as reimu in pcb

[@bro748]

I PAUSED RIGHT WHEN THE RED RECTANGLE POPPED UP WITHOUT CHANGING THE SPEED!!! Well, kinda. I rewinded the video three times to do it, but I still did it! Oh, and you mention that people who deathbomb all the time are just good at seeing when a bullet is about to hit them, but I deathbomb almost all the time simply because my reaction timing is several frames behind everybody elses.

[@Yatsuzume]

If you rewind the video multiple times, you will get used to the timing and the visual cues and it will be about anticipation instead of reaction time. There's a reason I put the square at the point right where sumireko jumps, because if you rewind it, you will use that as a visual cue either consciously or subconsciously. Even if you did not pay attention to the background at all (which I doubt) you would at least have known that the square was going to pop up after about 3.5 seconds instead of the unknown amount of time I gave you at first, which means that not just reaction, but anticipation is helping you out.

[@zad_rasera]

@@Yatsuzume hmm interesting

[@TheLastFBIagent]

I beg to differ on the example used on 2:34 I'd say that reflexive deathbombing isn't exactly reflexive. Typically, when one suspects death, they prepare to bomb (or at least I do). It isn't so much a reflex as it is panic, therefore it would be easier to reflex/panic bomb in game than it would be to actually pause the screen, since we have no idea when "death" is coming. EDIT: And then I watched the rest of the video and realized that this was covered and I'm an idiot for making the assumption.

[@yuwyu4841]

the fucking word pun in the last part where he said "expressing"... (turn on subtitles if you dont get what i mean) okay so, if you hear a death sound and a bomb sound, it means you saved a life. got it, thanks for clearing up my confusions on how to deathbomb!

[@russellchong6916]

Good and informative video.

[@speedyrave9999]

I wonder if the sound is the best way to react

[@kumabear191]

*Rip touhou 18* "Because deathbomb is nearly impossible"

[@elephantt2077]

yes. YES! I NEEDED THIS

[@emishimaru-sama6449]

2:32 Oi! but that's cheating, since you can see If you are about to die In the game. This Is basically unpredictable Dx 3:39 fu eirin xD 4:35 that makes sense.. [4:42].... no It doesn't! >:u

[@Saedorthemar]

Deathbombs in pc-98 games?

[@Laezar1]

Is there an advantage to death bombing as opposed to using your bomb before you die? I see everyone talk about death bombing but to me it just feels like a normal mechanic, like coyote time in platformers where you have just a bit of leeway where you can still jump while not on a platform, that's just QoL right? But then people keep talking about it so maybe there is an advantage to it that I don't know about.

[@smilinggeneral8870]

im sure arteezy wont have a problem with this if he plays touhou that is

[@linkold1998]

whoa! i managed to pause the video on the 4th try, i already lost 3 lives.... is more unreliable than i thought

[@RhythicManRhythm]

I somehow accidentally do this often. (until I played SA....)

[@twilightpaladin]

“It is true pressing “x” does win games” -guy i forgot name on yt

[@ShooshedGamer]

ok so its something ill probably never be able to do... nice

[@poledra4153]

I feel like deathbomb is more like extra time to bomb since there is no advantage in most games

[@joshuazhao]

Pfft, I can do this in touhou all the time. But eventually I will have no bombs because I get hit way too much.

[@acekun6493]

Isnt the death bomb window in PCB and IN 15 frames (and 30 frames on IN spellcards)? Shouldnt I be able to deathbomb on reaction there if my average reaction speed is 220ms?

[@mauricestardddude8317]

You saying it is impossible to deathbomb by reaction but I can assure you that within 3 frames Of getting hit I'll have restarted an extra stage But seriously, good video

[@xdarin_]

You're gonna have to be a professional osu! player to hit deathbombs on reflex

[@Skywalker2016GD]

am I the only one who did the red square test on mobile and managed to get that square? (not first try or anything,its kinda like the 5th try)

[@shakirashipslied9721]

Mystia is a bluffing lesbian

[@Sera-F1nn]

At this point, if you're complaining about deathbombs, i can only assume you're the kind of person who's actively SEARCHING for something to complain about.

[@undine3335]

Heet Hollands accent.

[@Mr12sed]

no thank you i prefer staying terrible thank you very much

[@mzmzzmzm8874]

How many frames do we have to deathbomb with Reimu in PCB and in IN? And does slowmode increase the time we have too? I think deathbombing by reaction may be possible with Reimu in PCB if you react unconsciously and with slowmode, and sometimes in IN with Reimu and Yukari the deathbombing time is so big that I feel like the game is waiting for me to deathbomb

[@cheatyhotbeef2636]

wow i caught the red square lmao

[@apa123APA]

Do I have to walk to work now? :(

[@abid3288]

When it comes to death bombing, it's less "Clicking X when getting hit" and more so "Clicking X when seeing you're about to get hit". That's probably how the pros do it. This has been from a scrub, see ya.

[@jastintheceooffinanasapost6204]

attemp number 13(maimbe so much more.....) i DID IT I PAUSE THE VIDEO ON THE RED SQUARE.....oh no it was a fake one :,c

[@TheAubis2]

Good video!

[@nujabraska]

how 2 git gud at 2hu: press x

[@halslaus8106]

good video

[@abarette_]

2:39 Well, I got it after a few tries, but lol

[@acid133]

I deathbomb a LOT

[@SpringySpring04]

What was the name of the fighting game you showed in the background mostly around 2:57?

[@Yatsuzume]

Urban Legend in Limbo

[@SpringySpring04]

@@Yatsuzume Thanks!

[@BirdBrainedBird]

2:40 mobile moment

[@CodeyTorrence10]

Great video :D Though, we all know that the reason why people deathbomb is because they're just bad :D Though seriously, it goes pretty in depth -- as much as it can go, anyway, without being biased in some way -- and pretty great. Also, barely missed the pausing on the box. I guess reaction time just isn't all deathbombing is. Eventually you'll be able to read bullets right before they hit you, and bomb before you even get hit, preventing the deathbomb window altogether.

[@HUMAtomon]

Yats nika yu

[@j00shua82]

Im watching this on a phone so fick

[@TheMyuken]

I have a question If you predict you can't escape why wait for a deathbomb and not simply bomb ? Is there any advantage ?

[@Yatsuzume]

TheMyuken The deathbomb mechanic basically makes it way easier to react to imminent death and still save your life with a bomb. Those extra few frames to bomb in are often exactly the frames someone still ended up needing after recognising their demise. Some people also intentionally stall their bombs to the deathbomb window but this is a rare sight in "vanilla" survival play, in which case it's more of an advanced technique to get a little bit more damage in before the bomb happens. Stalling into deathbomb is a MoF scoring thing though.

[@zad_rasera]

To paraphrase what one of the other commenters said, in other games, if you bomb a millisecond too late, you're dead. In Touhou, instead of straightup dying, you can deathbomb instead.

[@FiatNyx]

What's the game at 3:00 ? Looks fun

[@grayst3603]

i enjoyed the deathbombing math. Everything else was just a bunch of sarcastc memes.

[@raysyndrome7209]

so wait...how do you get more bombs in touhou 6

[@longlivethe9989]

First of all, Daiyousei and Koakuma drop bombs when defeated. Also, if you are at 8 (max) lives and you get an extend, you get a bomb instead.

[@iwaniwaperry]

EoSD also gives you a bomb once you've reached certain scores. The same for all games, I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong. Edit: I'm wrong. Just remembered your scores give you a life, not a bomb. But, like Long live the 9 said, when you are at max (8) lives and you get an extend, you get a bomb instead. 3 months late

[@iwaniwaperry]

@@longlivethe9989 Doesn't Sakuya also drop a bomb as a Stage 6 midboss, before Remilia?

[@longlivethe9989]

@@iwaniwaperry she does, but you'll have to spend this bomb to beat her...

[@iwaniwaperry]

@@longlivethe9989 So sad.

[@ruins.2843]

is there such thing as being too good at deathbombing?

[@Bravidunno]

Actually in th8 the deathbomb window gets larger during a boss spellcard doesn't it ? As well as only Border Team gets a larger deathbomb window in general than any other team.

[@dirtkiller23]

Deathbomb window in TH8 as border team really feels like an eternity compared to the other games.

[@DrLatency-v6b]

melee players most think touhou is the easiest thing in the world

[@Flowery0]

1:53 transdead

[@brcamu]

Nice vid but damn get a new microphone and a pop filter :p

[@Yatsuzume]

Actually today I found out something that can filter my pops a bit more. I guess we'll find out how well it works next time. :]

[@Nikku4211]

Please don't stretch the videos. It makes it look like you're dodging footballs.