'The Mango' in Chess: How the 5 Gods of Melee have a Chess Counterpart

[@poiibo]

Where's the Harkoni Gambit

[@DundiesTK]

The Harkoni Gambit is the friends that we've made along the way

[@matiasbriar3056]

You all probably dont care at all but does anybody know a trick to get back into an Instagram account..? I stupidly lost the account password. I would appreciate any tricks you can offer me.

[@aldenaldo5472]

@Matias Briar instablaster =)

[@CreamyPesto505]

Me: How does Bobby fisher equal M2K? Bobby Fisher: I don't believe in psychology. I believe in good moves. Me: Oh. I get it.

[@SadToffee]

Fisher actually plays cool chess though, rather than M2K's "optimal" gameplay

[@jazerasor1455]

Fischer's much more of a Leffen than an M2K imo. But more dominant than both.

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

​@@SadToffeethat's believing he's not trying to play at his optimal game plan

[@SadToffee]

@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 fisher literally quit chess because it got too serialized and boring for him.

[@revolutionofmedicine]

He also said he enjoyed it when he broke a man’s spirit.

[@krangitebacon5039]

this video made me realize that we are in the year 20XX of Chess with the computer programs being at the stage they are at

[@thatoneguy9582]

The year is 20XX. Everyone plays the Ruy Lopez at Stockfish levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a match depends solely on starting colour. The Rock Paper Scissors metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to it being the only remaining factor to decide matches. Humanity has reached its pinnacle.

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

Play r,p,s because it's always a draw

[@MrGetownedLP]

This video has aged super well for Melee, and fits into the new mindset a lot of people have been echoing: Melee is sick because there's so many different ways to play - and the 5 gods represent this spectrum well

[@Dooooooor]

Came from mango's stream, this vid is so good

[@yummysimon4]

mangoFan

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you all! Can you tell I'm a mango fan? lmao

[@derk890]

yo u got the stream vod?

[@Feisty123]

Do you know when he watched it? Would love to see the vod

[@SL-pt1ib]

mangoBB

[@kikewickens6324]

In a way, Bobby Fischer is more similar to Armada than to Mang0. Both travelled over the their respective contrary continents (Which was way stronger than their own) and stood alone against an entire continent, ultimately prevailing and kicking everyones ass

[@Ihavealeftbrain]

Suggested this to Ludwig during the stream because I think this vid deserves some love. And he now loves Tal and likes that one music. Keep up the great work man.

[@DundiesTK]

You're a literal legend my friend!

[@M4C3W1]

It sucks to see such a high quality video not blow up and go super viral due to the tiny target audience (people who are both into melee and chess) but I think you’ve done a good enough job at creating the context and explaining the comparisons perfectly that I truly believe anyone can enjoy this vid. I also think it’s fun to think about how both games have entered seemingly brand new eras recently, and it might be cool to theorize what kind of comparisons can be made from top level modern players of both games

[@wackabump3957]

Subbed, this was really high effort

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you!

[@gildedgarden3932]

This is beautiful. Playstyle really just arent talked about enough and in 1v1 games it defines so much. I too have been learning chess along side my fighting game journey and its opened my eyes to a lot of player interactions and ideas that work in both. To anyone playing either my best advice, Control the center.

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you for your kind words my friend, I'm glad that you enjoyed it!

[@Jaziel_Berumen]

This video still has 10 min of FIRE that I keep coming back to regularly.....this guy should talk about Tal games, I'd watch that

[@loverlover34]

This is fantastic. I don't really know much chess history outside of Bobby Fischer so listening to this mixed with melee knowledge and comparison is a love letter to my childhood

[@DundiesTK]

I am so happy you liked it!

[@catinator2]

I would say that Carlsen as Zain makes a lot of sense. Also I think Vishy Anand as Plup works great too. Anand was known for his speed and being great at rapid and blitz which fits Plup's extremely fast technical style well.

[@gencarcar]

I love how I have very little knowledge of the melee scene, and how chess play styles work but found this video super entertaining. The way you explained things in both chess and for each player was super easy to digest. Great video man!

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you! I was hoping that I clarified enough for people who were unfamilar, so I'm happy to hear that.

[@gencarcar]

@@DundiesTK anytime! You did an amazing job at it :)

[@joshbreton8496]

I just got recommended this video and WOW, I have to say I’m blown away!! Such a great video!!

[@skechers8223]

Insanely high effort but it makes for a great vid, good shit

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@tank5495]

When I first seen this I was like "please dont say Mango is the Magnus Carlsen of Chess". We definitely don't have someone that good in Melee lmao. Great video dude

[@DundiesTK]

Blur is the Magnus Carlsen of chess

[@deegobooster]

Magnus isn't the best player in history, only the best player currently.

[@ichthyostegaxd3727]

@@deegobooster Of course he is the best player in history lol. Name me 1 person who's better at chess than he is

[@deegobooster]

@@ichthyostegaxd3727 Chess mastery isn't just measured by pure ranking. It's also measured by dominance. Right now many of the top players can beat Magnus. He is not considerably ahead of the pack. The best player in history would show not just a dominance in ranking but also among their peers. Kasparov, Karpov, Lasker, etc all have a better chance at being the best player in history because they fit that criteria much closer than Magnus. And Magnus agrees, "Kasparov had 20 years uninterrupted as the world number 1...He must be considered as the best in history. But I feel that time is on my side...I'm not 30 yet. If I were to be considered the best in history at 30, I would have had to start dominating at 10."

[@ichthyostegaxd3727]

@@deegobooster That's just being the most dominant/successful player. You can say Kasparov, Fischer, Karpov and the likes were the most dominant of their time but nobody ever was as good at the game of chess as Magnus Carlsen. Therefore he's the best player in history.

[@rpotts]

I just thought of this video after watching it when it was new a couple years ago, rewatched it and was every bit as captivated as I was the first time. Thank you so much for making it.

[@ells101]

P.S I think Isai is Capablanca or maybe Morphy. Both chess players played an important role in showing that sacrificing and simplifying -if you keep the initiative (attacking chances) - is very strong, in a time when this was not really appreciated. Isai and his C.Falcon was also a trailblazer, showcasing a level of play that no one could have really imagined. The rest of the world would catch up to his intuitive grasp of the game some years later. Isai's performances were really an early blueprint for the modern style of melee.

[@FerousFolly]

I love the morphy comparison but I'm very glad it doesn't extend into isai's personal life like it did for morphy.

[@julian1000]

Who do you think for Ken? So early to the scene he got to simply dominate - probably Morphy?

[@zcriq1372]

absolutely superb video. breaking down both certain chess and melee interactions and relating them to each other was incredible to watch, even as a non chess player! also i highly approve of the use of danganronpa music, amazing ost :)

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you kind friend, I appreciate that so much :)

[@destinydynamites]

finally found something that appeals to both my diehard obsessions of melee and of chess this is wonderfully niche and i love it lol

[@ShakeDrizzle]

dope editing dude

[@brandantobin3925]

Bro keep making content you are gonna blow up! As a huge fan of chess, Melee and Queen’s Gambit, I thoroughly enjoyed this

[@ells101]

Underrated video, great analysis. Love the storylines and prowess in both games and you covered the ins and outs of both games without going too heavy on the jargon on either. Well done

[@Grabaxt]

One of the best Melee videos I've ever seen. Amazing.

[@DundiesTK]

You're amazing!

[@Grabaxt]

@@DundiesTK No you are amazing dude! :D Really great work! I hope to see more of it in the future! :)

[@breadtube_king5744]

Honestly this a great video; good job dude 👏

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed!

[@tayloralyse]

watching on ludwig's stream, super cool vid!!

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you so much!

[@sakethballa36t]

This was insanely good. Now I wanna watch more chess stuff. Subbed instantly.

[@DundiesTK]

Check out Agadmator or Matojelic, they show so many cool games that I learned from!

[@CoachJohnMcGuirk]

Comparing windmill checks with chain grabs was brilliant.

[@Rway]

very nice video, love the chess and melee scene, and gave me a bunch of new chess history knowledge.

[@kingarthur3236]

Absolutely incredible video. Very accurate and a great excuse to show off incredible chess games

[@DundiesTK]

There were so many games I wanted to showcase in this video, but I had to shorten them to the most concise examples of each player!

[@thegoodgeneral]

Combining two of my passions, I love it... even before I started playing I thought, "I bet Jason is Fischer."

[@AlucardGoya]

As someone who doesn’t even know how to play chess, this video was beautifully presented and I could get most of it. It’s such a fun and interesting topic and I believe you did it justice.

[@iVerutMean]

Man this was a really good video! Great work

[@DundiesTK]

YO Verut you watched this?! Hell yeah hahaha thank you my man!

[@iVerutMean]

@@DundiesTK yessir!! Have you thought about posting in the smash community? Maybe Reddit or something.

[@JuneLaLonde]

As a former smasher and a current chess player: I'm actually scared to see how targeted the algo can get in serving this to me lol

[@lukestanley820]

The 3rd strike music made this video perfect

[@Avian-Attorney]

What a crossover of my interests, love it man. Haven't watched yet but going on the list.

[@arc-sd8sk]

idk anything about chess but this was extremely fascinating and easy to follow edit: 21:23 my god that is diabolical

[@LoopZoopler]

incredibly well done video. Amazing

[@SapSapirot]

... Tal has always been my favorite chess player. It all makes sense now.

[@FerousFolly]

GOATED VIDEO DUDE, how have I never seen your channel before?? not sure if you're still reading comments 3 years on, but would you mind if I tried to get Coney to watch it as one of his melee essay movie nights? it's been a while since you made it but I think it would make a great main channel segment and maybe net you at _least_ a few hundred subs from those of us who are always starving for AsumSaus style content (in hopes you return to make more in the future)

[@DundiesTK]

Hello, and thank you! I'm not a Melee content creator, but I've been a long time player for a while. I'm glad you enjoyed! I read every single one of my comments still, so I'm happy that this video sorta picked up on everyone's algorythms all of a sudden haha. Definitely get Coney to watch it, I think he'll enjoy it as well.

[@FerousFolly]

@@DundiesTK well I'm ringing the bell anyway bro; you may have no plans for another banger like this one, but if you ever do get another Dundie Nuetron Brain Blast I gotta be there for it this was such a incredibly novel observation to make and you explored it with _just_ the right amount of depth and enthusiasm to be _properly_ nourishing to my smash-pilled, essay addicted audhd brain. seriously man, big ups, it's small creators like yourself, including the one-hits, that would inspire me to make my own essays if I had better self-discipline

[@linkoffate]

This was a brilliant analysis / comparison video! Loved every second of it

[@GirlDotJpeg]

this video was so well made and interesting. i didnt plan on watching much of it but i ended up watching the whole thing lmao

[@creepercomix495]

I love this video! Very comprehensive, and entertaining as all hell, keep going man!

[@DundiesTK]

That's one of the best things I could ever hear! Thank you!

[@jaci.terkel]

What a watch. I love the soundtrack you used!

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you for watching!

[@JohnDoe-jd8oo]

This video is excellent! Thanks for making it.

[@DundiesTK]

I just wanted to say that I appreciate all the love people are showing for this video! I love all of you guys. And yes my taste in music is impeccable, tell me more about it heh

[@dylanthompson8449]

This video is amazing, two of my favourite hobbies put into one

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you for your kind words my friend!

[@AndrewAme]

incredible video. you're gonna be big one day if you keep uploading (I BELIEVE)

[@briansshare]

Really impossible to give this enough praise. Amazing amazing stuff

[@HoistTheSailsGentlemen]

That ending! Very funny and the video was very well made!

[@mogaku776]

Banger video

[@EmeraldBlade98]

I always compared smash to a fighting game equivalent to chess, so I just searched up “melee chess” and found this video, good video btw

[@_cogojoe_]

that axe cameo at 24:18 killed me

[@samurainak5828]

Dude, someone linked me this video in my comment section. I'm glad they did because this shit is great man.

[@Rodcot]

Saw the video on mango's stream but it was so good I had to come give the view and like, good job.

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you for the support!

[@ykahlil1501]

Fantastic video ❤❤❤

[@tessademsky1156]

5:55 this analogy would work really well with DI trapping as well

[@jjpp3301]

this makes me wonder about the kind of gods on any other game. great vid

[@reddd-77]

This deserves wayyy more views

[@marcelcolpani1242]

This gotta be the nichest video I've ever seen

[@julian1000]

This was well done :D

[@tokisuno]

this video honestly deserves more views holy shit.

[@jacksfacts20]

Very informational and very funny editing

[@jeromehillebrands9220]

I've only watched 7 minutes si far but i think this might be the best KZbin video i've ever seen PS: my guess is that Mang0 is either Tal or Morphy Hyngrybox might be Karpov or Petrosian And for m2k and Armada i have no idea

[@FP-ih1lu]

This vid is great, amazing job

[@user-mo1mw7go4w]

my god this video is amazing

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you!

[@roofb1612]

Your content is sick dude

[@frankjohnson123]

I guessed the Botvinnik move because that passed pawn looks so juicy, but I had none of the calculations to back it up

[@TheRooxass]

Excellent video man

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you so much!

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

I have problems with melee's view of "the 5 gods", but this was a very well made video.

[@High8Studio]

When you showed a picture of Mikhail Tal with his messy long hair smugly smoking a dart mid game the comparison made complete sense in that moment.

[@Akiak7]

insane vid, underrated

[@Starkey_]

Amazing video!

[@HitscanSedan]

Yooooo good shit dundies loved it

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you!

[@KaptajnKlutch]

What a fricking amazing video! TOP TIER CONTENT

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you! I'm super happy with the results of this video, so I'm glad you guys all enjoyed it too

[@lilant702]

This is a really good video

[@clearandsweet]

Fantastic video. Beautiful concept and insights.

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you so much, that means a lot!

[@josueramirez7247]

2:15 uhh no. You can also get into the Queen’s Gambit Declined when people play 1. c4

[@RedLineFGC]

Great content, bro. Glad you're back!

[@DundiesTK]

MY MAIN GUY

[@imabossDJ]

great job very informative and interesting

[@ChaoticSatire]

This video increased my intelligence tenfold

[@twlgz5192]

I was so happy you said m2k is bobby fisher. Great comparison

[@b0nes64]

i watch this video so much a top 3 video of all time such high effort and you can really tell love you dundies. (also who is the zain of chess i have to know)

[@edwinmezaga]

Bruh!!! This video is pure fire🔥!!

[@DundiesTK]

You're pure fire hEH

[@mody1710]

This chess thing is interesting, I hope a small community of nerds somewhere start making tournaments for it

[@drjimbo1357]

ludwig pog

[@br0dus]

Very good video hope to see more from you and to see you rise up in popularity. Edit: you need to work on your sound mixing. You are so Quiet and the music is so loud at some parts

[@N0Experience]

Came from reddit really good video ive commented my thoughts on reddit already just wanted to say that i liked and subscribed. Keep it up

[@DundiesTK]

Thank you!

[@ILoveMoms445]

Good video

[@MrGetownedLP]

8:23 gorgeous down air

[@pheonixfire4544]

Amazing vid

[@tessademsky1156]

God I love Mang0

[@Monoceratis]

Love this!

[@edwinmezaga]

I really appreciate all the blur jokes!

[@DundiesTK]

Somebody had to do it

[@bb97979]

@@DundiesTK 👀👀

[@fenrir_427]

Very nice. You get the same parallel in Kuroko basket

[@dekufiremage7808]

aMSa is the type of player who always uses the bong cloud opening yet still wins

[@gravityshark580]

banger dude

[@jiaan100]

Tal and mango also both very frequently not sober

[@JackOLanter]

Who's the GOAT among the 5 gods? Answer below: