Debate: Has the

Germaine Greer joins Melanie Phillips, Baroness Helena Kennedy and Sophie Walker to debate one of largest and the most important movements of the 21st Century. In association with the New York Times.
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[@Reem2013]

Melanie Phillips absolutely killed it, her points were on point. She deserves a standing ovation.

[@RamSadeh]

Totally!!!

[@eliza1826]

That snake jow?

[@MattSingh1]

*She's a ring-wing, bigoted scumbag. Much like her supporters*

[@williamh5780]

@@MattSingh1 ow, you typed it in bold, that must make it *really really really* true.

[@jayabhaumik5695]

@@MattSingh1 look into the mirror properly before commenting ... 🤔🤔🤔

[@aokusman6637]

The fourth speaker made a lot of outlandish claims but provided zero examples or any evidence.

[@Descorath]

Just like any other third wave feminist. They can't produce any examples or evidence because they know there is none, but as long as the outrage is strong enough they know they don't have to produce any.

[@pollysshore2539]

AOK Usman That’s the anti sex feminist way. Lots of hysteria, sensationalism and lies, and no facts to back it up

[@ooohlaa13]

well LOTS of evidence of blind hate and attack.

[@imaginativegirl126]

Watch any other appearance Sophie Walker has made like her interview with Jordan Peterson. She proves that she's facile-minded time and time again. But at least she is working to stop prostitution I guess.

[@skbsn4x]

She talks about internet bullying a lot. Would she be surprised to know that the majority of cyber bullying is female to female?

[@philipmoss4027]

Melanie Phillips was the only speaker who came close to making a "case." It wasn't rock solid but she stuck to the subject and made three clear points. Greer was the least coherent, and the other two swung about left and right--making the subject men, feminism, the wage gap, sexual commodification, "patriarchy," race ...! Not helpful for anyone's understanding.

[@scatton61]

I understood Germaine well enough. Much to my surprise

[@pollysshore2539]

Philip Moss Greer is always the least coherent

[@omagosh5137]

Melanie is brilliant. The voice of common sense and hard cold facts.

[@sarahmonroe3096]

I don't understand the final vote :/ if nothing else, and if this is a debate, Melanie was the strongest person on the panel. She stayed on point, had clear and concise arguments and did not have any ad hominem blunders if I'm not mistaken. So, even if you don't agree with her arguments (even though I don't see how...) at least give her credit for a perfect "debate". That Sophie woman's claims and emotional outbursts were ridiculous and I was embarrassed for her. What about the question of "why are we prioritizing men's reputations when false claims rate is so low"? How stupid are those two women who asked that? How about because one day that man might be your husband or son, and it won't only be his life that is ruined, but yours as well, and you are a woman. So, who are you doing this for? How about...morality, ethics? I don't know, maybe I'm stupid and the one with a problem #confused

[@agatopol]

You are not stupid. Just the majority were very young women. I doubt they are married or have children. That's why they can't relate emotionally to Germaine Greer and Melanie Phillips' wisdom. Very sad :-(

[@xylezentry4568]

@Rayan ok. Its final. I know a few gals that had abortions. One n had seven. I'm older now and realize this is real life being murdered.

[@Leese1801]

I knew the me too movement had gone too far when the slogan “ believe all women” appeared. Melanie Phillips spot on

[@nasussmith8839]

I salute you Melanie!!!! As a woman YOU SPEAK FOR ME!

[@andrewcarter7260]

I noticed the equal representation of genders on the stage. I notice the focus on justice for women but never for all. As much as it annoys me I agree with Germain Greer for a change. Why don't you want women to be responsible for their own choices.

[@nome2057]

Germaine and Melanie brave experienced true feminists who stand against politicly correct virtue signaling.

[@djanitatiana]

It must be excruciating to watch a movement you founded turn on you and vilify you as you watch it get corrupted and undo your work.

[@djanitatiana]

Saying that Greer trivialises rape is just more overblown rhetoric, Greer has always emphasised the damage actual sexual violence has to women and society. The difference between her and vacuous opponents appeal to victimhood is stark. The 'patronising' excuse doesn't wash, it is pathetic. You are right of course that the Muslim world will never be affected by Western Feminism any more than democracy could be brought to the ME. To say it's about condescending to Muslim women is laughable, Western feminists never stop patronising their Western sisters, and as an idealogical class, their inability to have any self perspective on their entitlement dooms them to constant condescenscion wherever they go.

[@uterushaver8309]

12:23: "Something like 90% of the offenses ... have been carried out by 6% of the men named." But if most of the other 94% of men were on women's side of the problem instead of colluding with the rapers in every way possible in order to dominate women, we wouldn't need feminism.

[@williamreynolds7194]

@@uterushaver8309 Plenty of men are serving prison terms for rape because other men PUT them there. As thinking men increasingly walk away from women, you are progressively getting the man-free existence you appear to desire.

[@stillmaticdon1941]

@@uterushaver8309 If feminism cared about equality and wanted to stop rape and sexual abuse against everyone instead of just women, then they would get more support. Rape and sexual abuse is wrong regardless of your gender.

[@agunsux]

If only all the "angry feminist" listen to what Melanie Phillips said.

[@mgkos]

@@hopewonder jealous of what? Being younger? At this point in time? Really?

[@richellelemon3137]

What i would like is a clear definition of "equality". And at the conclusion of this debate, i presume #MeToo will continue to be viewed as a joke on a soapbox because it continues to be all about ME. And what does ME usually want most of? Only to be right and the crowned winner. Now that's humanity at its worst.

[@TMM-N]

"boys are exposed to porn and expect women to do the same things..." May i know who is the main actor in the porn movies? Who benefited from porn? If porn is cause of rape, then i think porn should be banned...

[@theelectricprince8231]

that was a dumb take

[@ezzony]

I though Melanie Phillips was spot on on every sentence. I though Sophie Walker was totally bombastic and hysterical to a point that it was rather comical to watch. Thanks for the entertainment Walker.

[@generalkabarchuk1611]

Hypocrites. By law now males cannot be victims of rape, sexual assault, oppression. The boy raped by his mother in our town was ARRESTED, when finally away to college calling rape-crisis lines for help. We learned it is against the law for boys or men to make sexual assault/rape accusations. You won't hear of him on your news because you don't care, he died in prison of being impaled by mops, prisoners claiming he deserved it because he was booked as a 'sex criminal'. But you don't care. He was a he.

[@melissabennett1168]

I love you Melanie, you are my kind of feminist

[@Rayblondie]

Melanie stands out from the rest with her truth and boldness. The others have their speel but when Melanie speaks she is far more nearer to the truth.

[@Castitalus]

Melanie is amazing. I wish more feminists would catch on that its wrong to think "It's better to let ten innocent men go to jail than to let one guilty man roam free."

[@rhoduskal-cious3243]

‘No mutuality in sexual involvement’, that’s the problem. Melanie Phillips. Well said!

[@delstone5736]

Men and women are equal... Kennedy says a woman had her jaw broken when calling out a man fondling her... Lesson? They are not equal. Stop rejecting reality.

[@hydroconscious]

Melanie Philips is the best speaker. Germaine Greer is super vague and I really hoped she made her argument clearer. t Helena Kennedy made clear arguments (albeit not very good) but sophie walker was so bad.

[@martman123456]

You can "believe women" in the sense that we don't stigmatize those who claim sexual assault or rape, but not in the sense that it becomes a societal or legal standard of guilt.

[@kimbersha]

Wow, wow, wow! Melanie Phillips is magnificent!

[@henrygreer6555]

I agree. As I suggested to that chap down there, Rosa Parks would not have stood for that. We must continue the struggle against Feminist Panel Racial Segregation.

[@AN-lm6bs]

Melanie is the only one who makes sense

[@AbdullahAlMamun-mc4nq]

Stay away from those woman. You will be happy.

[@rBennich]

When has answering more questions at a time ever been less confusing than answering one at a time?

[@ceecee6679]

Germaine, much love to you, much respect. When I grow up, I want to emulate Germaine. My Girl, you are real. There are no sides...shut up Baroness...

[@Sardinianheart]

The last speaker was already making me cringe throughout the sad sad display that her rant was, but it was her last quote, implying that #metoo means "I am Spartacus" that ultimately made my stomach turn completely!!! Well done Melanie as well as the lady with short hair.

[@michaelz9892]

Camille Paglia should be here!

[@factenter6787]

Yes and perhaps Karen Straughan as well.

[@annakarina5926]

I think there are instances where women have been abused and they transfer their feelings about that onto other men and that can be where the 'dishonesty' sometimes manifests in these cases - so they make a well meaning if perhaps thoughtless man responsible for something they had been a victim of in the past. I think also that sometimes women are trying to communicate being a victim of something that cannot at this moment in time be verbalised - that is - women don't have the vocabulary for it. Women can be mind controlled subliminally, and it happens often through sites like pinterest and tumblr - they are sometimes targeted, for example, by hackers. Who determines the items that appear in these search engines? Who is uploading the content that women see? Who is responsible for their mental/visual landscapes? Psychiatrists struggle to believe in coincidences - that a person could visualise an item and then see it in a shop, an item that they can't technically afford without having to scrimp/save/suffer somehow in order to buy. This becomes a game in itself, that men participate in. And it is lucrative for both banks and business. Databases are created for women who upload images of themselves - their chats logged through facebook and whatsapp etc - and their relationships predetermined by these databases who keep track of their whereabouts through their social media communications and so forth. This has become especially easy in a time when women use tinder to meet men. Sometimes women appear to be mentally incapacitated too - so when they are trying to make sense of these issues, they in turn are made to look mentally unstable and are kept quiet so as not to be able to dialogue about whats going on. This is something that the police are both aware of and engage in.

[@wespaul9345]

Yeah but it's dishonesty and it goes unpunished. You should get real smart and ask yourself why

[@ceecee6679]

Melanie Philips, you are a rockstar for women. Thank you very much. I refuse to believe women are victims. I am not a victim, I could make your hair stand on end with my sexual experiences starting at age 6, but I am not a victim. I am a survivor, and damn proud to be a strong, competent, disagreeable woman. I do not blame all men for my experiences, nor do I blame masculinity, nor do I blame the so called tyrannical hierarchy, I blame the assholes that assaulted me. Many of these predators have been dealt with by others or by me...during or after...that is my me too.

[@moonpie7982]

But your attacker does not exist in a bubble and the. He chose to assault you (sorry that happened) your assaulted was raised in a patriarchal society with deeply toxic masculine ideals that are imposed and raise young boys and men. By ignoring society at a whole you fail to acknowledge the problem. There are millions of men just like your attacker who think this is ok to do. He’s not a random unique serial killer like Jeffrey dahmer. Society is a problem because too many men turn out like your attacker and what’s worse is many never face the consequences of their actions.

[@ScoopDogg]

saw this girl at my local shop, went in a few times before building up the courage to ask her on a date to cinema. Phoned her in mid week to make sure it was still happening, it was Yippee. Picked her up watched the flick and held her hand all way through and took her home later, kissed on doorstep and rang her day after to meet again, sent her valentines card and made love to her 5 weeks after meeting her, she was 15 and I was 14 and half. Fast forward to now, the police have got me on conspiracy to commit sexual assault, conspiracy to commit rape, sexual harrasment, sexual assault, attempted rape, rape of a minor, harrasment and gbh. The fact they she is now my wife and doesnt want to press charges (its the police who have to) will go in my favour the solicitor said and the lovebite GBH charge may be dropped if I plead guilty of having sex with a child (who was a year older than me). My children are evidence and can not correspond with me while on trial.. Worlds fucked

[@kcsunshine4008]

That’s awful....... how did the police find out?????

[@Johnny-sj9sj]

Germaine says: “bollocks!” Amen! PS: I shall love you forever and a day! PS: My wife told me many years ago that she had been raped by two guys around the corner (this was in Stockholm, Sweden) and I asked her where they lived. She did not tell me because she knew exactly what I would do to them. Consulting adults rule; non-consulting adults don’t, and if I had my way, they would have ended up in a fucking wheelchair - or worse.

[@wolfy789]

Sophie is drunk on Johnnie.

[@ItsJustAdrean]

I don't fully agree with Germaine that rape isn't violent, but we certainly aren't going about this me too business the right way. Our youth certainly don't understand one another, or what consent is, and me too is certainly not helping anyone take sexual violence seriously.

[@mikebiro3148]

Mee too is a joke that does not apply to me. In this case mee too needs to go away and stop annoying us men that actually don't care. Most of us know women that claim rape that never happened, and we are expected to believe a lie based on gender. I tend to avoid any girl that claims rape, factual or not. A victim is a liability no matter what it is, but giving it a ridicules platform.

[@Charrison9918]

Please tell me who is telling woman they are too stupid to do whatever they want to do? I must be living in different world. These woman are so depressing.

[@cole4236]

Thank God for Melanie!

[@rainbeau54]

Melanie Philips, the absolute voice of reason! All the things I wish Teresa May was.

[@zthechainz]

I hate the mundane introductions. The Royal Institute channel doesn't have them, it just gets right into the discussions. Utter waste of time.

[@EdiChiArt]

WTH? Rape is not a big deal....people get over it? This can not possibly be an intellectual debate. Shut it off after 8 minutes.

[@flashwhite]

A forum for professional victims

[@pollysshore2539]

flashwhite THE PATRIARCHY EXPECTS ME TO RUN MARATHONS!!!

[@houseofzuma1033]

pointing out terrible things makes you observant and detail oriented not a victim an observer.

[@edwardrussell7168]

#Metoo is part of accountability process and the law. What we sow so shall we reap. The law is working...

[@gabrielpetian]

It is easy to see who are the adults in the room

[@onetwo19]

You are no longer a man hating radical feminists therefore you lost your compass? Melaniie Phillips made me stand up and cheer at my laptop. Sophie walker was garbage. Men have mentors too in the workplace. She thinks feminism is fighting to exist??? There are differing opinions on what constitutes feminism - it's a debate. No one is trying to annihilate feminism. Men also try to be healthy and run marathons. This victimhood is absolutely sickening. The internet is patriarchal? Constructed by men?? Women are told they are too stupid to create computer programs? What a pile of horseshit! You are shocked about the suggestions that women are victims yet your entire talk is about women being victims. Women can just leave a workplace that is full of harassment. They can. They really can. They are not children.

[@matthewhaslam3219]

Feminist motte and bailey argument: "we love men we're just standing for equal rights". but the whole debate is about tearing down the male patriarchy. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey

[@christinagiannaros9817]

well it's not working so great for women or men is it? let's give matriarchy a try and see how that goes.

[@patharvard]

Sophie Walker is insufferable

[@MagMaybe]

I think these left and right women show well how generation gap sees things differently. Germaine and Melanie speak from experience and logic whilst their younger counterparts simply want to win... Maybe they feel they are doing good job, but they only see it from women's point of view as the older panelists also consider men. That, in my eyes, is equality. I personally think, that men seeing women as lesser is entangled with men's biological need for sexual gratification and reproduction. We are the product of nature AND nurture, so we can't always simply blame men for being monsters. Women can also be monsters and for some reason, most feminists will not consider men rape victims. They will go as far as to think men simply can't be raped. But they can be and often are- by other men and women. I strongly believe, that this sexo-social revolution of modern time will eventually create a society where sex, genders, sexuality and gender-roles become blurred, changed or completely eliminated. We are already moving towards this path.

[@peace-yv4qd]

I have to think that most of the men in the audience were there against their will.

[@golkeeper8517]

sure

[@hoop8621]

I'm all for women being empowered and not feeling intimidated. But the point I find most troubling barely seems to get raised - the absurdity of conflating all unwanted sexual behaviour with rape. An ill-judged proposition, an awkward opportunistic fumble etc - these situations, while often misguided and perhaps offensive in some cases, do not warrant people being labelled as sexual deviants and having their lives ruined. It brings to mind a time when I was freshfaced, in my very early 20s, and I stupidly misread the signs from a young female colleague at work. My bold (...I was led to believe (by women, as it happens) that women like bold men!) advance (I stole a kiss) was instantly rejected. I felt dejected, humiliated and downright awkward. I'm sure she experienced some similar emotions. We just tried to pretend it never happened and continued working together for several months before I moved on elsewhere. But thank god I'm not in the public eye! I would be looking over my shoulder now wondering whether or not she's going to suddenly emerge with some me-too claim about my past "sexual misconduct".

[@zagyex]

if they'd run that vote here on youtube, it would be the opposite result.

[@rhoduskal-cious3243]

I felt Melanie. Others were good too. I like this, the second lady said, she wished black wines weren’t there. I saw a couple of them in the crowd. 💁

[@rattylol]

Germaine Greer, yes we are mothers to these men, we are also mothers to these women.

[@daddyfamlittle6262]

32:06 to 48:58 is all that matters.......the rest you hear and see everyfreaginday!

[@heidiowen9415]

Sophie Walker sounds just like a left wing sociology student. Angry, man hating, ‘patriarchy’ obsessed, I wouldn’t vote for her if my life depended on it. She would set the women’s movement back a 100 years. Now Melanie, she gets my vote every time. Someone with absolute common sense, who observes, sees things as they are and has the courage to say so. And to say it eloquently.

[@lisaj2269]

Oh come on. They back up their arguments with outrageous anecdotes. Do you know how incredibly rare it would be that some guy would just break a woman’s jaw like that? Yet she cited it like this is a serious threat we all face.

[@anngent4775]

Well said Melanie Phillips! Sophie Walker just seems pissed off about everything.

[@apocalypznow]

Sophie Walker is an insufferable ideologue constantly clamoring for recognition of her virtue with everything she says. She's not here to debate her peers or address the audience's questions at all, she's merely there for herself.

[@rawroar842]

Astonishing what is happening to women. What a hate for their sons, brothers and fathers. Happy to see lives ruined on the say so of someone without evidence simply because the "victim" is female. We are forever hearing men should stand up against other men for their bad behaviour. How about women standing up against other women for their bad behaviour (or are women faultless). Until women start thinking critically and without the pack mentality this turmoil will continue and women will remain spoilt. Continue to treat all men as society as for the past 20 year and watch us all lose. Melanie Phillips - Great job.

[@cole4236]

Brilliantly said- Group ideology will be the death of the west!

[@angelwinter464]

And unfortunately, as Melanie said, it undermines the real issue of sexual abuse against women. You can't deny it exists to a large degree. It undermines the reality of a problem and makes women appear as spoilt victims - so when a real victim speaks up, they risk ending up looking like these other attention seeking, drama queens. That's what annoys me.

[@Rayblondie]

A lot of men are marrying Philipinos and the like who make good and faithful wives. This is not to say there are not any potential faithful wives around but lets face it there are a lot less now than there has ever been. This goes for men as well. We can only hope that the faithful marry the faithful.

[@gilliansernich9267]

'Women will remain spoilt'?!? You tipped your hand there mate.

[@AlexDeLarge77]

Melanie turns up the dial as her speech advances. She's a sledge hammer.

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

No. She is an adult woman. What has Peter Gabriel to do with any of this? Are you a student of Post-modernism, I mean Derrida could be interesting but its rather passe at this historical juncture.

[@LOSTONITALL]

@@NothingHumanisAlientoMe You ruined a great song by being weird.

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

@@LOSTONITALL being weird wrote that song

[@ymtonemanlaer4088]

She calls herself a lawyer yet she advocates to lower the burden of proof because of gender pay gap and patriarchy. I wonder how she'd defend her sons knowing that the accuser is not required to provide evidence.

[@wespaul9345]

Her son's will be trans

[@Wills_Duffy]

Melaine Phillips steps up and clarifies a very confusing issue. And, the audience votes for more confusion. God help us.

[@vivienlimose9172]

It wouldn't have mattered what Melanie said, it was a 'group think' those people, no matter what, would not change their view!

[@elliotthudson2946]

I was thinking the same thing I've watched this whole talk (they don't call it a debate because they don't believe in debating apparently, seems quite convenient) a few times and I can't understand why there's a shift in opinion in favour of #MeToo when all of the good points were made by the opposing side. The 2 Scottish women make up so much shit in this too it's silly.

[@elliotthudson2946]

I'm not bitter that's for lemons and lesbians, I can be fouled mouthed because I think it's funny (I did it in this case sarcastically in case that didn't come across). I'm not sure I have said anything misogynistic you might have to validate that otherwise you might seem even more regressive in that you're now labelling me to be something quite offensive without any evidence to based your opinion on. If I have said anything that proves I do indeed hate bitches then please present your bona fides. Corners are for squares, you won't catch me in a corner. I would suggest it might potentially be you who is the bitter one considering your correspondence so far to what was a quite tepid comment from me and was ultimately only my opinion.

[@spencershears6497]

Most of the audience was female. Not the gender known for intellectual scruples or ability to form logical thoughts as separate from 'feeling'. Yes, G-d help us, everyone.

[@bluewrenreilly129]

WillsDuffy, it was a Marxist Leftist audience majority that was what it was their Agenda is to destroy white Western Christian Civilization the Patriarchy and the family. Simple as that.

[@HoppyBunny.]

If Sophie Walker ever accused me of rape. Or any man, on the basis and definitions of Me Too for what accounts for rape and harassment , then I or any other men are done. Its the entire goal and overriding end game for Me Too. The ability to destroy a man's life with an accusation, period. Every argument for Me Too is a long despairing call for society and government to accept an accusation over evidence, to control what men say, believe, think or feel. Sophie is one of the most privileged white women in the world. Their entire solution is an ideology (feminism) which like most ideologies is convinced of two main things. 1. That they and they alone are qualified to define, determine and characterize the lived experiences of men more than the men who live them. 2. That they and only they are are have an exclusive monopoly on all higher ethics and morality. Its interesting that feminists like Sophie Walker has nothing to say when a man is discovered innocent after his life has been destroyed from a false rape accusation. Sophie's view of men singularly or collectively is based on the same feminist oversimplifications, rendering the entire male gender into a cartoon caricature where our only motivations are limited to rape, oppression, and abuse.

[@HoppyBunny.]

@@hopewonder Your presupposition is vastly incorrect, and has nothing to do with then issues as I presented as a rebuttal to the video. Your position is largely dependent on the same distorted logic as feminists in general and racist police officers.. on the whole. You don't link the criminal act with the person external to race as a causal and correlative factor, thereby criminalizing an entire race as guilty and prosecutorial on sight. There is a big difference between crime and crimilinzation. For you my "problematic behavior" extends from me not abdicating social legal and civil due process rights for men. Your inference is that no woman ever lies, and therefore every accusation doesn't require evidence. Based on how Me Too has been practiced, there have been more kangaroo court methodology which makes no effort to distinguish between high crimes, misdemeanors or ta consideration of innocent until proven guilty, or whether a man is capable of being innocent. Your faulty assessment relies on the fallacy of appointing fear as a reactionary impulse from which you then conclude can only come from a "sexist mindset." Its the classic, "Of course he has drugs in the nice car, he's black." And the proof he's guilty is he protests being racially profiled. Since you feel you know so much about me, please furnish a single account where I've defended a rapist proven to have raped. Please furnish a specific statement where I support rape. Please pint to anything in my initial comment that isn't specifically true in context with what I outlined. Please tell me how a woman who has been raped can less damaged for destroying the career and livelihood and reputation of a man who is actually innocent. or are you of the feminist mindset that even men who never committed rape should be destroyed to comfort the victim? Since you "already see my sexist mindset, these questions should be easy to answer

[@lancewalker2595]

55:50, does anyone care to elaborate on what she means by this? Yes the internet was built BY men, but FOR men? Is she implying that the internet would somehow look different had it been built by women? Cause, uh, how is that not sexist?

[@LED-dj6oc]

Melanie is great. Spot on IMO.

[@johnalister651]

Fabulous Melanie Phillips. Thank you for giving us some hope.

[@angelwinter464]

John Alister there are plenty of us who see the whole picture like that and don't hold a biased view - it's just that we aren't the ones shouting. Third wave feminism undermines equality and obscures the real issues, including sexual oppression and assault against women, it certainly does exist. But there is so much grey and many people are being black and white about it all.

[@willybiber3035]

Melanie Philips, a beacon of common sense and integrity.

[@andyiswonderful]

When are feminists going to stop lying about the pay gap? That has been repudiated hundreds of times, with numbers, by economists. Female economists. And yet Helena and Sophie trot out the same rubbish as if it is Gospel.

[@skbsn4x]

How is she not demonizing men by saying they are guilty until proven innocent? and how they are the patriarchy to keep women down?

[@skbsn4x]

If I had a dollar for every feminist who utters the words "while men continue to make all the main decisions" I'd be rich. LOL They have to rely on straw mans. It's ridiculous. Do we or do we not live in a free world where women can choose whatever they want to do in life? If they don't choose to be in politics then I'm okay with that because that's what they freely chose to do.

[@maryklw]

I agree wholeheartedly with Melanie Phillips!!!

[@eliza1826]

Ofc you would, you're deformed face jow

[@maryklw]

@@eliza1826 Huh?

[@Isotope387]

Me too

[@jalijali8448]

Melanie Phillips said it all

[@fleurkus]

GqqJai R.Emmett h

[@noavocadoanymore]

as a human

[@deborahkate1849]

Love Melanie's comment at the end.... she nailed it....

[@ZOA360]

Those who claim false accusations should be punishable the same way those who are proven to have done actually committed the crime

[@delphi-moochymaker62]

The only question that I have for these feminists is, if it was proven that a woman filed a false complaint against a male co-worker, (he raped me with his eyes) and that he lost his job and suffered financial consequences, what consequences should the woman face that you would sanction? The answer you are looking for is none. That's why you can't be taken seriously.

[@Alysia_r]

Hard for anyone to answer your question when most reported REAL assaults go completely without consequence. No one is filing "he raped me with his eyes". Hardly any sexual assault case gets to court, even with enough evidence from rape kits. So stop fear-mongering, please. Also, false allegations make up less than 1% of all alleged assaults. You are only concerned with false allegations because you were never concerned for the victims of real assault in the first place.

[@nickwebb6702]

I only like this video because Melanie made perfect sense.

[@henzsol6771]

W/o of course you think that...she's hitting all the male talking points and almost painting a picture of men as delightfully benevolent boy scouts who are getting made to cry by mean mean women and children picking on them... It's clear she sympathizes with males more. You are a male, right? It's not that she makes sense...it's that she makes you feel comfortable and good. You are projecting your subjective experience onto her arguments. It's called externalizing. Her arguments(if you want to call them that) may or may not make sense, but you wouldn't know because you have not conducted (and I'll grant you the excuse that you might not have the capacity to) an objective in-depth analysis of her claims, statements, and suggestions. I'm not criticizing you...I'm just trying to help you gain some self awareness.

[@JohnDoe-mv6go]

@@henzsol6771 "an objective in-depth analysis of her claims, statements, and suggestions." Yes, and your bitter ravings against males prove you are the pillar of objectivity.

[@henzsol6771]

@@JohnDoe-mv6go um, can you give me an example of my "bitterness"? Can you give me one quote in which I am "bitterly raving" against men? I reread my comment myself and I see no evidence of the bitterness you claim I have, not did I at any point engage in a bigoted rant against all men... You are projecting a lot of your own biases onto me; but I am willing to consider your accusations if you can provide me some clear examples and an explanation as to how and why my words can be interpreted in such a way as to arrive at your accusatory conclusions. Assuming you're not a bot...

[@MisterWhat]

No, you`re certainly not criticizing anyone. That would require actual critical reasoning and not derrogative base cheap shots regarding someone`s genitalia and moronic presumptions. Instead, you could actually try to clarify in what way is Melanie is off-base. Especially considering how over 90% of the comments here from eiher gender all regard her action as the most clear-headed analysis of the whole four speakers. So, do please debunk the *point* without maskerading it as self awaress and without looking like a condescending patronizing twit.

[@jimbob1277]

Just goes to show that #MeToo is as popular as ever. We all know where populism leads. It simply reflects the inability of the #MeToo sheep to look at he bigger picture and also to fail to recognise the selfish core of the whole campaign. The fact people can dismiss the real problem of implying that all men are now guilty simply because they are men just so they aren't seen to dismiss the claims of a single woman is incredible. It shows a massive shortsightedness that on this panel is only recognised by Germaine and Melanie - the two wisest women on the panel and it shows in spades.

[@RogerRiverson]

If they really wanted to have black women on the panel they should have given up their own seats.

[@henrygreer6555]

Is Rosa Parks still alive?

[@rachybaby72]

Henry Greer Is that your attempt at being funny?

[@Rayblondie]

Why have black women just for the sake of it? Why isn't there no transgenders or lesbians. You need women who can speak truth whether they be black or white or whatever, but don't put them on because of their colour etc.

[@ilm_seeker]

@@Rayblondie = I think the larger point he is making is that the "Me too" movement was started by an African American woman specifically addressing issues for African American women. The initial focus of the "Me too" movement was not about transgenders, lesbians, black, white or whatever, it was specifically about African American women who were abused yet were silenced and no one noticed or stood up for them. I believe this is why Roger said that they should have a black woman on the panel; meaning, a black woman, who could really speak to what the movement was really originally about and therefore get help for abused African American women as opposed to debating a nuanced argument that seems to pertain to predominantly Caucasian women and men.

[@sacredsoma]

Sophie Walker, the most irrelevant speaker, so weak

[@milels6917]

Thank God for the intelligence of this level headed woman Malian Philip get over your self ladies and do something about it yes it is bad men and women are victims We have gone to far I always knew how to put men down if I wasn't interested do it In intelligent and genital way but it's when they use their physical strength it goes over the red line lifting the knee was my older sister told me about worked for me in a critical moment But what about the disabled woman poor mental health that is we women need to care for each other xx

[@happinesstan]

Not true. Her bullshit, disguised in powerful rhetoric, won the debate. Evidentially weak, yes. But far from irrelevant.

[@pizzabinge]

So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause.

[@Hoops590]

lol

[@jamesmartingattuso9915]

I don't watch violent porn. What are you talking about?

[@manmaje3596]

info info what on Earth is violent porn? Sounds like you are alluding to snuff???? I bet you are single.

[@Rayblondie]

Marriage can die because of porn which is really mental adultery. Thank goodness there are still a lot of women and men around who want faithfulness in a marriage.

[@thumbprint7150]

@@bademoxy- watch your tongue! Other people are entitled to express their opinions without being verbally abused.

[@manweller1]

Melania Philips throughout the years as been the rare voice of reason in a sea of emotion.

[@angelwinter464]

manweller1 as I just said to someone else, there are plenty of us women who can think reasonably and unemotionally about these things. It's just that we generally aren't the ones shouting.

[@angelsrosena]

I totally agree when she said that while women are fighting so hard to protect each other, 99% of mothers prefer their sons than their daughters.... oops...

[@DilipMuralidaran]

The first rule of a debate is that you do not insult the subject of the debate. Regardless of where everyone stands on the topic, someone must tell Ms Sophie Walker this. Insulting the debate is not a productive thing to do.

[@bluewolf76]

Melanie Philips nails it.

[@wardandrew23412]

Melanie Phillips may well be the first feminist I've heard from that actually deserves my respect.

[@asaenvolk]

+Andrew Ward I can name a few more decent feminists for you if you want, but you are right in that they are rare.

[@bripat22]

I think she made the best points but was it because she confirmed all your views ? Or did she challenge you ?

[@unjadedrealist4416]

Andrew Ward as a black woman who is also a sexual harassment and rape survivor by multiple men of all races fuck your entitled "respect". We don't need it, don't want it. If I had it I would worry. A great female mind once said "If men like your brand of feminism you ain't doing it right." Keep your "respect" for your mannish looking female Uncle Tom.

[@juliusilori]

Unjaded Realist WOW!!!!....Raped by many men of ALL.RACES.!!?!!......Was ANY of these men prosecuted ??....

[@toughtaurus7270]

The fact that you're proclaiming, in cowardice behind your device's screen, that anyone should make themselves worthy of your respect shows nothing but the fact that you don't deserve any respect from anyone until you can demonstrate that you're a decent person.

[@bripat22]

Sophie Walker trying to get a party political broadcast in for her "party"

[@Thomas...191]

"male think" seriously wtf.... does she know how bad a concept that sounds?

[@jkjqu6805]

So sexist omg

[@jamesmartingattuso9915]

I know. ManThink - as if Germaine Greer was a giggling broad who couldn't think for herself. Sophie Walker, you are free from any danger of male interest. I guarantee it.

[@hannah60000]

I've also heard the converse frequently too. It comes from both side.

[@RR-yh6le]

Melanie was brilliant, Sophie was ridiculous.

[@Snwman_]

I'm a man (age 53) and for what it's worth, tend to agree with Melanie and Germaine. For me Melanie made the most sense. I was raised by my mother and Grandmother, I have a sister. I've always treated women with respect. I've had many girlfriends ---many of whom chatted me up. I've had a few occasions when men have come on to me and I've had to politely explain 'No'. I've worked often with women and had many women bosses. Currently I work for a woman. It makes no difference to me. For sure I know that there are men out there that don't respect women, I don't associate with those types of men because I find they don't have anything interesting or intelligent to say either. Regards to whoever reads this.

[@josyjump]

Sn0wman _2064 well said!

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

Well put. The only men I feel safe around are so secure in their masculinity/ themselves that they treat women with respect. I am sick of men who try either to get approval or who gain ascendance by pouring thinly-veiled scorn on women. Masculinity and femininity are virtues that when left to operate with virtuosity are incredibly solid, reliable, creative and comforting. The current trend of 'transing' the sexes and denying their distinctiveness comes from a fear of what gender really is!

[@djanitatiana]

Couldn't agree more Annabelle. If we stopped demonising masculinity and instead valued men achieving more maturity, responsibility and self respect women would have a better pool of guys to choose from and be surrounded by. I found Melanie very inspiring (Im male) since she had respect for both sexes in equal measure, prepared to treat men with the same respect that she demanded from them. This is in sharp contrast to her opposition.

[@thisherecat4black397]

Greer is utterly incoherent in the first ten minutes. How to carry on?

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

Don't exaggerate, she stumbled. So will you when you're 79 years old - but you will have less to say. (You're grammar ain't that hot either!)

[@aokusman6637]

Funny how they never ever actually site a real apples to apples situation where men are paid more than women. It’s always overpaid celebrities being used as examples.

[@candycatlara536]

Melanie won my vote.

[@Rayblondie]

Melanie got my vote easily. Way ahead of the others.

[@stig5154]

,’Does my conscience look big in this’ Melanie Philips

[@ZapatosVibes]

Anyone who uses the term "manspreading" is instantly disqualified as an ideologue.

[@shamsam4]

Melanie Phillips is fantastic.

[@aliboyaliman6207]

Melanie Philips. I've disagreed with her in the past. She can be TOO socially conservative, while I think 'let and let live as long as no one is being hurt'. But here, she is brilliant. Those new feminists (in name only, they're actually misandrists) are a disgrace.

How many people stop listening after 53:00...? Thank you Melanie, for the stern no-nonsense no-brainer straightforwardness.

[@djrouken3047]

Four women discussing what men should be or do, with no male representation. yes, feminism is about equality.

[@metrx330]

As a gay man my love for Melanie grows and grows. I really look up to her.

[@465marko]

13:00 "Seduced them, then dumped them"- I thought this was about sexual assault. Getting ghosted after having sex with someone is not the same thing. Boo-hoo it sucks to get played or dumped. Doesnt make it rape.

[@emilyb5278]

Germaine Greer kisses a lot of women off with here views that rape is sex. She made no sense on that point and no one knows what's she's on about. I've been raped I didn't want a call back after

[@emilyb5278]

Pisses not kisses

[@freyaastrella]

Melanie has the fem vote from me