DEBATE: Is Jesus the Angel of the Lord?

[@middlegroundlogic]

The Father wills it The Son reveals it and fulfills it The Spirit seals it and instills it

[@sophiabrown9747]

Amen

[@playboisalva]

And the holy trinity

[@prayingpatriot8018]

Another Unitarian failure at 1:09:00 in. They did not put Jesus to death because He claimed to be "king of the Jews". They put Him to death because He is God; which is why the Jews picked up stones due to "blasphemy" (John 8:56-58). Claiming to be a literal "king" is not blasphemous to the Jews.

[@sophiabrown9747]

@@Charles.WrightAND

[@plalawlasoe1045]

@@prayingpatriot8018 no,jesus defend himself by saying "are you saying I am blasphemy because I say I am son of God?" They think he claim to be God by saying he is son of God,we know that he doesn't meant he was God when he says that because we have access to scripture,but the pharisees dont have scripture to read because new testament was not present,

[@abbycrown]

A.M.A.Z.I.N.G!! Can't believe I am just seeing this debate. For God so loved the world indeed! Salvation has always been prophesied to be OF YHWH, not of a created being. Thank you to both debaters and well done! Glory to our great God and Lord Jesus Christ.

[@jimbojackson4045]

6:42 Anthony's Opening 27:43 Solomon's Opening 49:27 Anthony's 1st Rebuttal 1:04:44 Solomon's 1st Rebuttal 1:21:07 Anthony's Cross-Ex 1:29:19 Solomon's Cross-Ex 1:40:36 Anthony's 2nd Rebuttal 1:49:35 Solomon's 2nd Rebuttal 1:57:35 Anthony's Closing 2:03:08 Solomon's Closing 2:09:20 Q&A 2:29:51 Anthony's Closing Message 2:30:41 Solomon's Closing Message

[@Miss.G.H]

Thank you ☺️

[@michaelsowerby8198]

It seemed to me that Anthony Rogers was the more disciplined-prepared of the two speakers.

[@pwx13]

It helps when you have the truth in your arsenal vs a truck load of crap

[@GarciaonlyJesus]

Anthony my brother anytime I listen at you I NEED A PEN AN A NOTEBOOK... God Bless you brother thank you for all you do defending the faith!!!

[@marlenepatrice6404]

Same here🙌

[@TessC374]

I'm a new Christian, thank you for posting this, this is what I need to do 🙏❤

[@niltonsilva3027]

Im thinking to go about every video of Antony , even those on Cira channel and note all verses and objections I think this may help a lot to remember where all this is .

[@heavnxbound]

@@niltonsilva3027 Yes, absolutely! I’d love to have a theology notebook, just writing down theology, apologetics, all arguments to questions and objections etc.

[@jj691]

It’s scary how many unitarians and oneness people there are.

[@kevindrake714]

Very.

[@soldierofchrist4ever]

@Ryan Joseph There is an old saying, maybe from Mark Twain, I'm not sure. That goes something like: "Falsehood is halfway round the world, meanwhile the truth is still putting it's shoes on."

[@LivingWateraide]

I know, right? It has exploded since the 1900's and we are now seeing just how many ppl bought into this modern view.

[@shanebrown2865]

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/1ti.4.1.kjv

[@song4night]

Anthony is shockingly brilliant!

[@harieljjohnson878]

Yes he's rather Good indeed Yes

[@isaacsadique25]

It’s so frustrating to hear Solomon.. only Holy Spirit can open his heart..

[@ryanaaservantofthelordjesu7238]

Brother Anthony, brother David, and brother Sam= 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪 God bless all of you, in Jesus name. YHWH/God/The Lord Jesus Christ is the Angel of the Lord. Hallelujah, HE IS RISEN!

[@FromJosephtoJesus]

At the end, Solomon stated that as a Unitarian, his appreciation for Jesus grew, now that he thinks of Him as only a man, and not God, “as a man denying himself as we all have to do... he is more real to me.” Perhaps he does not realize his bias and personal preference in the desire to make God to be more like after his own image, so that He can become more relatable to himself. That is of course, the running theme throughout all false systems of belief, there is a necessity to attempt a diminishing of Jesus Christ’s divine nature and attributes. I deal mostly with Mormonism, and they have not stopped with the Son, but have gone after the Father as well, trying hard to make Him to be just an exalted man. BTW, Anthony you provide a rich source of biblical information on the Trinity that helps me with confronting the fallacies of Joseph Smith also. I just found out about your own channel and subbed. Thank you! Keep going! ✝️🙌🏻

[@soldierofchrist4ever]

This is why the creator/creation distinction, is so important in laying a foundation to Theology-proper.

[@FromJosephtoJesus]

@@soldierofchrist4ever Exactly.

[@soldierofchrist4ever]

@@FromJosephtoJesus Seeing as I too, deal with followers of Joseph Smith, on a regular basis, I had thought that would strike a familiar chord with you, I'm glad to see it did. 🙌🙏† According to LDS, theology, and doctrine: God, men, and angels (whether fallen or unfallen) are all of the same genus, or species. Which is a death blow, to any theology-proper. We see this in the infamous Lorenzo Snow, couplet; "As man now is God once was, and as God now is man may become." (This is also why the Mormon Jesus, and Lucifer are considered brothers, it doesn't stop there though we too are the brothers of Jesus and Lucifer in this view.) This is simply ludicrous, as any Theology-proper worth it's salt, starts with God, then works outward down to man, realizing the obvious! Hence, in the simplest of terms: there is God, then everything else. Then we make further distinctions etc, this is all defaced in Mormonism. Sorry, for writing a book, I just appreciated your original comment, then your reply to me. Also, I have a respect for brother's & sister's that love the Mormon people. Soli Deo Gloria!

[@FromJosephtoJesus]

@@soldierofchrist4ever All true statements, Travis. Enjoyed reading your comment. I am closely familiar with LDS theology having been raised LDS in Brazil from childhood, serving a full time mission, going to the Mormon temple, etc. As a biblical Christian of many years now, I do have a burden to share the biblical text that I never learned as a member, with people still inside the church. I have a tiny channel here with that purpose. Were you ever LDS yourself, or do you live in Utah? 😀

[@soldierofchrist4ever]

@@FromJosephtoJesus Oh okay, makes perfect sense.🙏Praise God! I'm always grateful to hear of the Spirits work in the life of a believer, thank you so much, for sharing all of that with me. No, I have never been LDS, nor lived in Utah. I, like you, have been a Christian, for a while now, and over the years have either had them show up at my door, or while out doing evangelism have ran into them, or other groups of course. So, just in the providence of God, I have come to have a particular love for the LDS people, and want them to come up from under the yoke of bondage, and know what it's truly like to be free in Christ. I've never been to Brazil, but I have got to see some of South America, as I participated in a mission trip to Peru, years ago. Thank you so much though, for your cordial conversation, and your wonderful replies. Grace, and peace.

[@truthdefenders4694]

Correction, he thinks hes a Christian.

[@Kris77777]

After Anthony's opening statement, I'm convinced Solomon knew he had lost. but he had to continue for the sake of the debate

[@joshhenderson7723]

I knew who won about 90 seconds into Anthony’s opening statement. I’m really surprised people keep agreeing to debate him.

[@alessandrostabile6701]

yeah😂

[@slimm2k466]

I found it hilarious how many times Anthony stopped himself from laughing at some of Solomons answers 😂

[@eternalbyzantium262]

Anthony Rogers with another around of decimation

[@leegray6165]

For me, it’s hard to believe anything some one says when they deny Scriptures, as Unitarians do so blatantly. Pray for them.

[@jeremywongzijun1994]

Anthony’s videos making a mass exodus from Acts17Apologetics.

[@ExploreTheology]

🤣

[@jhondysuarez3498]

😂 Amen 🙏🏽

[@shanebrown2865]

Lol, Wong, wing,wing😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@sphagbog]

Shhh! Don't tell David, but yes!

[@BornTimes2]

This is crazy good. Anthony Rogers, I just want to listen to this 500 times & memorize your whole argument. It was brilliant!

[@johnkoehler7955]

Totally agree!

[@vincentawbrey8800]

Solomon, you're making Anthony's point regarding Genesis 22: 16, 17. The Angel of the LORD/Jehovah stops Abraham from killing his son Isaac and even tells him, "By Myself I have sworn, saith the LORD for because thou hast done this thing, and has t not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee and in multiplying I will multiply thy SEED as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is upon the seashore."

[@myriamalexandria]

1:15:20 Solomon: “They get irate bc he claimed to be king” Scripture: “They get irate bc he claimed to be God”

[@leegray6165]

Great point.

[@CJ-222]

John 5:18: "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, *making himself equal with God."* Yup, it's pretty clear.

[@CJ-222]

John 10:33: "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, *makest thyself God."*

[@Kris77777]

@tim donald see the scriptures above.

[@TheBBear86]

This was blatantly obvious to me too, since he labored the point.

[@alisathefire6220]

God bless you Bro Anthony. Holy Spirit is with you🕊️🔥

[@amoji13]

Anthony Rogers!!! Thank you for all u do. Oh yeah and D. Wood, too! 😅

[@truestranger4922]

When Unitarians don't believe in Jesus Christ's diety, they don't believe He is God,why are they called Christians? Is there any meaning to be called Christians by rejecting Christ?

[@universalflamethrower6342]

I ask my family members that very same question, I always assumed all Christians believed in the trinity. Not so

[@pwx13]

@@universalflamethrower6342 but they are not Christians by definition.

[@tauvid9798]

A christian is a follower of christ, if you deny his deity you are not following him but the saying of man

[@truestranger4922]

@@tauvid9798 yeah its common sense, how come they don't know this simple concept?

[@universalflamethrower6342]

@@pwx13 that's actually my conviction as well, yet somehow people maintain differently and they can get verbally violent about it. I guess it is a sign of the times.

[@RowanTasmanian]

This wasn't an equal match. It was like watching Mike Tyson fight Lee Harvey Oswald without his rifle. I suppose this is the best Unitarians can offer. I love it when Solomon says constantly "I can't see that in the text" What a concise rebuttal. Anthony is absolutely the best defender on these particular doctrines. Very impressive.

[@luisjaramillo9718]

God bless you Anthony Rogers! Thankyou

[@angeliquaserenity5009]

Solomon: "I see no clear text for X, Y, Z.." Translation: "It just as so". Aslo, Solomon employed the common False Analogies used by Unitarians such as how there are other Saviors, the Blind man being identified as "I am", etc. Another debate which Anthony Rogers won. :)

[@jbjoeychic]

An outstanding job by Anthony Rogers !!! His ability to speak and teach, coherently laying down the points he needed to make in order to nail home the win, is second to none. His opening 20 minutes was superb and all l can say is l am glad it's recorded so l can dissect it sentence by sentence. As an aside, l feel sad for Unitarians, anti-trinitarians, JW's, and other less than orthodox groups out there that go all out attempting to target the Trinity and Deity of Jesus Christ. I think it is great that David and Anthony and Sam and the others continue to present the truth of the Gospel of Christ and as they do so l believe it will continue to lead to seeds planted and the truth prevailing. Again Anthony Rogers is fast becoming THE most authoritative and essential voice and expounder of the Trinity in Apologetics today. I cannot name any one else that l would rather have in that role. However, I acknowledge that the Christian Apologetics community has many folks that can fill that role quite nicely.

[@monogenes3091]

Thank you Anthony Rogers! learnt so much from it. GOD bless you 🙏

[@davidcrane6593]

This is really good...this second man seems to be blinded to TRUTH.

[@GarciaonlyJesus]

Plus, I like to encourage all Christians to do not be rude with the opponent it is not wise and it is not what Jesus send us to do!!! So let’s be respectful as Anthony and David are ... lets be humble and pray for those who are lost in their own interpretations!!...

[@sketchbook1]

WOW! I wish this Angel of the LORD teaching would be more common in the Church today. What a wonderful, Christ-exalting thing.

[@joshhigdon4951]

So glad I found you through your discussion with Tatum! #presupp4life

[@vincentawbrey8800]

Anthony, thank you for your obedience to the LORD and Lord Jesus thank you for the way You Use Anthony Rogers to illuminate Your Truth. Praise Your Glorious Name for revealing Your Truth, and Heavenly Father , thank You for revealing these truths to Babes and hiding them from the "wise" of this world.

[@LivingWateraide]

YES! Just what the doctor ordered! Your awesome Anthony. God really has blessed you with a truly intelligent mind. So glad to see that it is not being wasted. Keep up the great work. Also, I feel like David is a really good moderator. It would seem that he holds his friends to a higher standard bc I noticed he is just a little bit more strict toward his friends when moderating.

[@edjo3430]

Solomon I pray for you my friend, we love you when we tell you you are lost. What Anthony says is what has been from the beginning and what will be to the end.

[@midnightwatchman1]

Blood means life, life is in the blood. The life of Jesus is of infinite value

[@AR15andGOD]

I really like your serious and hard hitting approach to laying out the truth, you just spit it out

[@joshhenderson7723]

This was fantastic. Masterfully done, brother!

[@Everyday_Fitness_Solutions_LLC]

Poor Solomon defending his position without hearing the clear truth Anthony Rogers is presenting. I pray that God reveals the truth to him.

[@TessC374]

@Anthony Roger's, Thank you so much my Dear Brother in Jesus the Christ, I'm a new Christian currently studying (KJV & KJV Concordance) I was stumped on this very question where The Angel of The Lord is speaking to Abraham, it makes sence now that you clarified this, I prayed for God to give me the true understanding to reveal this exact meaning, listening to you has been a true Blessing from God Almighty, Love you Brother, God Bless you in Jesus Mighty Name ✝️🕊🙏❤

[@midnightwatchman1]

I not seeing where his arguments are preventing Jesus from being The Angel of the Lord. and has a different definition of what the angel is, while the Bible uses the term angel as a messenger he is defining angel as only a created spirit being

[@ProphecyOfApocalypse]

According to the 14th chapter of Genesis, verse. 1 God (Translation of the O'=70) or Yahweh (Masoretic. - יְהוָה֙) appeared to Abraham "despite the oak Mambri". And when Abraham lifted up his eyes, he saw THREE men. Surprisingly again and by divine apparent impulse, in the verse. 3, addresses them in the singular by ‘Lord’ (Adonai - אֲדֹנָ֗י), while in the immediately following verses. 4 and 5 speak to them in the plural (‘you washed your feet’, ‘you rested’, ‘you supported your heart’, ‘you want to pass’, ‘you passed’). It is also worth noting that, while in the verse. 3 Abraham presents himself as a slave of ONE (‘your servant’ - Heb. עַבְדֶּֽךָ ebedka), in verse. 5 presents himself as a slave of THREE (‘your slave’ - Heb. עַבְדְּכֶ֑ם ebedkim). The three speak at the same time and say the same things, as if by word of mouth, which reveals the absolute unity of Energy and Will among the high visitors of Abraham. This unity is the existential (ontological) expression of the absolute love, of the love society that connects these three persons. And in the verse. 5 the text normally writes ‘είπον’ (Heb. וַיֹּ֣אמְר֔וּ - way · yō · mə · rū), in the plural, that is, as three that were, in the verses. 10,13,15,17,20 writes paradoxically ‘said’ (Heb. וַיֹּ֗אמֶר - way · yō · mer), in the singular that is, as if it were ONE. The three persons who appeared to Abraham and from whom two later appeared to Lot are called "angels" as they are also called "men" (Gen. 1: 2; IX: 5,8,10, 12:16), but they are neither men nor angels. Yahweh, after his appearance to Abraham, would go down to the sinful cities, to see for himself and to ‘see for himself’ (‘I want to descend’) and to ascertain their moral condition. But despite Yahweh's statement about his personal descent to Sodom, the text says that Abraham continued to stand before Yahweh and converse with Him as intercessors for the salvation of Sodom! After that Yahweh left (verse 33). In Sodom, at 19: 1, of the three men, only two went to Sodom, who are also called angels, in the verse. 13 appear as messengers of Yahweh. This begs the question: Did not Yahweh come down to Sodom personally and visibly, as he said to Abraham? The answer is yes. Indeed, Yahweh descended to Sodom personally and visibly in the face of the two angelic men. The two in faces, in essence, are ONE AND THIS YAHWEH! Lot in the verse. 2 addresses the two men normally in the plural for ‘Lords’, then in the verse. 18 paradoxically and by divine impulse he addresses them in the singular through ‘Lord’. Lot addressed in plural "them", that is, not to one, but to the two men, as was natural. And the fact that Lot addressed plural "them" through the singular "Lord" becomes indisputable by the phrases "your servant", "before you", "your mercy", "you did". More and more this becomes indisputable from the verse. 21, which corresponds to the verse. 18.

[@jamalkhan3708]

Great debate, well done Anthony Rogers as always !

Do you still help prison ministries and if you do how can we donate to the prison ministry part?

[@NelsonAerial]

Yes, Anthony is a pastor at Metanoia ministries in South Carolina. You can look them up and give toward Anthony’s support as the pastor at Metanoia. (The term means Repentance in Koine Greek) Blessings!!

[@SuperCodemeister]

Anthony is such a warrior for Christ! I have yet to see him be taken down in any debate. Keep up the good work! 💪🙏❤

[@ladym7852]

I'm glad Anthony's internet is much better now. 👍 Also, do you mind making a PowerPoint? I'm a slow, visual learner and I understand this is a debate. I also don't mind if you don't. At least I asked. 😁

[@tabithaevans387]

Directed here from Good Fight Ministries radio Show. Looking forward to hearing the debate.

[@LucisMMV]

Solomon repeatedly says that it doesn't say word for word that Jesus is the Angel of the Lord so He's not. This smacks of the same argument that Muslims use, "Where does Jesus say, 'I am God. Worship me.' It doesn't say those exact words so He's not." Can we not form a logical conclusion from the text as Anthony does? Jesus is shown as divine. The Angel of the Lord is shown as divine. Jesus is not the Father or the Spirit. The Angel of the Lord is not the Father or the Spirit. Therefore, Jesus is the Angel of the Lord. Q.E.D.

[@alessandrostabile6701]

of corse, but there there are texts which indicates that the angel must be Christ. The angel of the Covenant is the angel of the lord, and look what its written about hin in maleachi 3,1 i think also we know that the angel is the arm of the lord and who has been revealed the arm of the lord (isa 40:3) (as messiah)?

[@TessC374]

Why are there so many different beliefs? Being a new Christian I pray and God answers me with bible scriptures, it's scary that there's so many different Christian beliefs, I read and take the Holy Bible for what it says, There is a Trinity, nothing else makes sense, this makes it so hard to find a good church when people go off their own theory instead of what the bible says, I pray I can find a church with a Pastor that has Anthony's true acceptance of the actual words the bibe speaks, I live in Gainesville, GA if anyone knows of a good church I would truly appreciate direction on this, I keep praying To God in Jesus Name that The Holy Spirit guide me to the right place I can grow with people that have Anthony's knowledge of the Bible. Love you all my Brothers and Sisters! Shalom ✝️🕊❤

[@biblestudy2634]

I had to giggle at your statement, "I read and take the Holy Bible for what it says, There is a Trinity" Where pray tell does the bible say "There is a Trinity"? There are so many things churches teach that are simply tradition or theological concepts that are not read or taken from the Holy Bible. But you need to learn that for yourself. May the Lord bless you with wisdom.

[@benluklzy]

@TessC374 I was once in your place, so I understand your confusion. As a new Christian, I would charge you to learn what the voice of God sounds like. How this came about for me is listening for the ideas of law and gospel. Law in this sense means everything we do or are commanded to do by God and gospel is everything that God does or has done for us. A true preacher will never downplay Gods commandments, will preach them in a way that exposes true sins and not place a burden on your conscience that is not clearly communicated in Scripture; in addition you will hear the gospel preached to comfort you from any guilt you feel based on the law to remind you that Christ has set you free from His wrath. Any other message is suspect. Jesus said that "repentance and forgiveness of sins " will be preached in His name.

[@benluklzy]

Another thing is Jesus said that the Scriptures (referring to OT) were about Him. I hope this helps you. Discernment is a muscle that needs to be exercised, but once you learn to hear the voice of the God you will be certain you cannot be deceived again. I was once very gullible and tossed to and fro until I learned discernment.

[@biblestudy2634]

​@@paulcosta8297 You should not follow any man. It is the Spirit that brings truth. One cannot search for truth and defend their faith at the same time. If something has been condemned by the Church for over a thousand years it is probably on the right track because a thousand years ago there was only one church, the Catholic church. If you have all truth I hope you listen to others to see why they don't know God and don't just tell them you're right they are wrong.

[@biblestudy2634]

​@@paulcosta8297 Paul, tell me something. According to Mathew Jesus said: Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Why did the disciple disobey Jesus command. Not once is it recorded that they baptised in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Either Mathew lied or the Catholic translators have miss translated the original text. There were two original texts, the above and Mat 28:19 “Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name.” Which text did the disciples obey?

[@Weissguys6]

Through listening to Anthony Rogers (I’ve been so blessed,) I learned about the BibleHub app. I highly recommend it, brothers and sisters!

[@Weissguys6]

Greek/Hebrew interlinear has helped me so much. I’m new to deeper Bible study.

[@fifacrazy4418]

@@Weissguys6 🙏 amen

[@louisajones1419]

Solomon sounds so close to the truth, but he stubbornly refuses to bow down to the Testimony of the entire scripture.

[@aniketeuler6443]

Anthony please make a video on your personal library 😃

[@annamc2450]

Magnificent, Rogers!

[@amanuelberhe4149]

How much mental gymnastics by Solomon just to deny the clear teaching of the Bible. Now I know you can't be a Christian without believing the trinity.

[@krisaniel3807]

How can you understand the truth if the Spirit of Truth isn't in you? Whoever denies the son denies the father.

[@sistercelestial5660]

Everyone who keeps the sabbath seem to be cultists. I guess cause Jesus is our sabbath yet many cannot even understand Jesus' deity. Thank you Anthony I am a newer follower and binge watch getting fed daily.

[@truthprevails5173]

Jesus is Son of Yahweh, the Son of God Almighty. Jesus Christ is Mighty God always subject to the God Almighty. There exists no trinity in Bible.

[@cogit0ergo705]

@@truthprevails5173 - The Q is: Can Jacob REALLY best the Angel of the Lord in a wrestling match? The answer for an atheist (or Unitarian) is: "Christian mythology isn't even coherent - that's like me beating Zeus!" But the message given centuries before what is to come is: The Angel of the Lord ALLOWS Jacob to win. He PERMITS it. And so it will come to pass He will allow something else far greater - John 10:18 - "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord." You should watch AR's videos on the OT foreshadowing what comes in the NT - from the Lesser to the Greater...

[@truthprevails5173]

@@fancopy12 Jesus is Mighty God always subject to God Almighty. Jesus got a Father and God above him.

[@truthprevails5173]

@@cogit0ergo705 Can Jacob REALLY beat the Angel of the Lord in a wrestling match?- Bible says Jacob did beat him. And I believe it. As you said Angel of God might have allowed it. We don't know exactly. Incidentally I am Unitarian too.

[@cogit0ergo705]

@@truthprevails5173 - I am Trinitarian. The Angel of the Lord self-identifies when He allows Jacob to win. Because it is later that Christ Incarnated will allow the Jewish priests to do the same. But Jacob does not really win. And Resurrection - the Jewish priests do not either. Jacob wrestles with God. Read the rest of the story...

[@Yud_Trinitarian]

Oh wow I just realized that David posted this 6 months ago and I saw it already lol

[@franciscocepeda8416]

The Bible is explicit about this, Jesus is the Angel of the LORD, HALLELUJAH !!❤️🙏🙌

[@Thedisciplemike]

"to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my son, today I have begotten you"" no he's not. Plain as never. He's never called the angel of the lord once. Hebrews 1 adamantly distinguishes him from any angels

[@Michael91672]

Thank you Anthony Rogers for defending the faith! You are so knowledgeable with scriptures, context, Hebrew and Greek. The scriptures are so clear and for the life of me i can not figure out why others can't see the truth! I don't know if they have been taught this way and have been taught to accept how they've been taught instead of accepting what they read. This is a very very serious matter and i mean life in heaven or burning for all eternity.

[@tsegayeyacob2857]

Unmatched debate. Solomon even not prepared.

[@americaone749]

Yeshua's existence before birth => John 1:15 (John bore witness about Him and cried out, "This was He of whom I said. He who comes after me ranks before me, because He was before me")

[@amanuelberhe4149]

God bless Anthony Rogers you are a gift for the true church of God. You gave him his lollipop 🍭 as a child longs it, and he will never forget the test.

[@revelationsixpreacher]

How come Unitarians never address: John 1:1 & Revelation 19:13 ?! Great job Anthony!

[@wayoftheinspiredword2825]

@NorthStars the Steagle That’s funny because the Eastern Orthodox Church, who are Trinitarians, value the Greek philosophical concept of the logos and use it as part of their theology. They would say that the development of the logos was all leading up to John 1:1, when it’s revealed that the logos is a personal force who is governing the universe, not impersonal. (Source: look up “Church of the Eternal Logos development of the logos” on KZbin)

[@wayoftheinspiredword2825]

@NorthStars the Steagle Yes I got what you meant originally and I agree, saying an impersonal force rules the universe is pagan and it is heresy. I was just amused at how this Unitarian argument still isn’t effective when you look at it from an Eastern Orthodox perspective.

[@wayoftheinspiredword2825]

@NorthStars the Steagle Yep exactly, it’s sad really. We got to pray for them to be saved before it’s too late.

[@Thedisciplemike]

Over 700 times we find "the word of God". Not once is it ever a title for a person but rather simply God's message. Until we get to Revelation in which Jesus is CALLED BY THE NAME of the word of God. It's disingenuous to assert John 1:1 is speaking of Jesus.

[@wayoftheinspiredword2825]

@@Thedisciplemike Ok how about the first 18 verses of John Chapter 1? “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬ I don’t understand how you can read the first 18 verses- especially verses 10-11 & 14- altogether and still think the Word isn’t a title? “The Word” isn’t referring to God’s message in this passage, we can tell the Word is being used as a title in John 1 because John calls the Word “he” in verses 3, 10-11, and “his” in verse 14. Do messages have personal pronouns? We only apply personal pronouns to a person, an individual entity who has personhood. If that wasn’t John’s intention, why would John call God’s message a “he”? Why would the Word “be made flesh, and dwelt among us”? If the Word isn’t a person but instead a message, why not say instead “be written down, and was given to us”? Why use language that would suggest a person is doing something when you are not referencing a person? Also why would John open his gospel this way when giving an account about Jesus? Does God not realize what this would imply about Jesus? Isn’t the Bible the inspired word/message of God? (By the way, We do not give our bibles any personal pronouns, or speak about our bibles committing actions as if books were people. Yet the Bible is God’s word, is it not?) Or can God allow/make mistakes when it comes to the Bible? If so this would be a very drastic mistake to allow, considering the consequences that this “mistake” has caused. But I don’t believe this is a mistake. That would be contradictory to God’s perfect nature, which would throw everything about God into question. I believe God has made it very clear: in John 1 “the Word” is a title for Jesus Christ, who was with God and is God, who is eternal.

[@marlenepatrice6404]

Once again I learned someting🙌 thanks. I am using the KJV bible. Which version do you recommend is best to use Anthony?

[@jamestomas3783]

KJV!

[@patriarchphotiosofnewrome]

ESV

[@jpehman]

Solomon is a super fan of making arguments from silence.

[@Yud_Trinitarian]

OHHHHH!!! ANOTHER DEBATE?! WHEN DID THIS TAKE PLACE I DIDN'T KNOW, WAS IT LIVE?

[@1brokenbychrist]

Excellent debate and evidence Anthony! Well done as always!

[@AR15andGOD]

"I don't know I wasn't there" such a copout answer that frustrates me so much. We don't need to be there to know, the text tells us plainly who was there....

[@angeliquaserenity5009]

Ps 49:7 "No one can by any means redeem anotherOr give God a ransom for him-"

[@Yud_Trinitarian]

LOL! Anthony always has to do something in the beginning to ruin the whole thing

[@sphagbog]

Amateur hour!

[@mashashua]

Come on, get Anthony a worthy opponent!

[@mashashua]

@@Terri-b4d what is this ? Damage control ?

[@mashashua]

@@Terri-b4d ya and that worthy opponent is you? LOL

[@mashashua]

@@Terri-b4d Okay, seriously? That statement was cringe-worthy as hell. Did Dale teach you to regurgitate that garbage? Anyways, this ain't the spot for the Unitarians to try and save face. Quit whining and actually address Anthony's points, if you've got any ounce of integrity.

[@tintinismybelgian]

Happy Purim, everyone!

[@TessC374]

I'm a new Christian, what is Purim? Any bible references would be appreciated, I believe in the Trinity and pray for those who are blinded, I'm reaching out hoping to connect and learn with fellow Brothers and Sisters in Jesus

[@LucisMMV]

@@TessC374 I would recommend that you read the Old Testament book of Esther. Purim means "lot" (lot as in, to cast lots). Purim got its name because Haman, the enemy of the Jews, cast lots to choose which day his genocide of the Jews would be done on. His plot was found out and it turned out that instead the Jews were given time to avenge themselves on their enemies (even though they were a subjected nation at the time.) Thus, in Esther 9:26 "Therefore they called these days Purim after the name of Pur."

[@p.b3880]

Anthony can you explian in the next video why denying the doctorian of trinity is damning?

[@LucisMMV]

Any denial of the trinity is an attack on Jesus' divinity. It's through Jesus' divinity, His death, and His resurrection that we are provided atonement. (Like Anthony said, in Psalm 49:7-8 (NASB) "No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him- For the redemption of his soul is costly, And he should cease trying forever-") If we deny the divinity of our savior... where then is the hope of our salvation? In Romans 10:9-11 (NASB) it says, "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” If we don't believe Jesus is God, how can we "confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord?"

[@p.b3880]

@@LucisMMV Jesus is God the only Yahweh indeed, but I am looking for more verses to show the damnableness of modalism and Arainism. the third person of the trinity help me find a verse that show modelism is damnable(John 12:45). this show Arianism Damning ( John 8:24).

[@BarryWillBuck]

Wait...Anthony Rogers is currently situated in SC...heck...I could meet him if he comes to Myrtle Beach

[@jesus.is.god.forever.bless2047]

JWs always trying to deny the deity of Christ. Jesus is and always will be God!

[@Sirach144]

He’s gods son. Not God the son.

[@swissapologetics]

​@@Sirach144 How can He be the true Son of God if He is not God? If your son is a goldfish, then he is very likely adopted..

[@Sirach144]

@@swissapologetics Because God in the Bible is always presented as a person not a nature to be shared in. Think of it this way can you say that Paul and John are one human because they share the same nature? Two men in one human? No. Who is God in these verses? 👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3 👉 ”yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.“ ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭8‬:‭6‬ ‭ASV‬‬ 👉 ”For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times;“ ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭ASV‬‬ 👉 ”There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism,“ ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ ‭ 👉He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD, and mine own new name. Revelation 3:12 ASV

[@Sirach144]

God is not a designation of class of being. God is a person.

[@Sirach144]

@@swissapologetics Because God is his father. Not a class or generics that passed on to other. If I have a son, then we are two men. If God has a son then there are two gods.

[@mannytorrez2138]

Wow this is beautilful and deep more of this less of the pleasure of the world

[@tyowongndeso]

WELL unitarians WORSHIP two entities, their understanding of who Jesus is, makes them have two Lords that they worship.

[@bartsawpbuh911]

Where is your debate with Dale Tuggy? I saw some snippets of it on your channel but where’s the whole thing? Thanks

[@Ousias1]

It is on The Gospel Truth channel run by Marlon Wilson.

[@bartsawpbuh911]

@@Ousias1 thanks

[@HebrewsvJohnv]

@@Ousias1 Hey Anthony, I've been listening to Solomon claim Jesus was not preexistent? What about Luke 10 v 18?

[@ronnietoney4987]

Anthony Rogers is awesome in his knowledge, articulation, and delivery.

[@JasonJohnSwartz]

Thanks so much Anthony 😇👍🙏

[@ursularuegg1255]

Bless you Anthony 🙏🎊❣️from Basel Switzerland 🇨🇭

[@SaintOtter]

This makes me think of Muslims asking "where did Jesus say I am God worship me" 🤔 I seriously don't get what the other is arguing. He's just denying there is evidence and saying that he has looked at the scripture deeper. 🤔 But in fact he couldn't point to good refuting arguments.

[@soldierofchrist4ever]

@O C There are of course plenty of passages that pronounce, and extrapolate this truth. The problem lies with the questioner, as he wants a particular, laid out with the exact word order, and phraseology he has in mind. What this does is highlight the problem, that to whomever phrases the question this way, the Scriptures simply aren't sufficient in their view, nor there highest authority, they are.

[@Norbingel]

This Solomon says he has to see the words say Jesus is the Angel of the LORD, very much like a Muslim demands to see the explicit words "I am God" from Jesus. Yet he says he believes the Holy Spirit is the Angel of the Lord because why exactly? Those don't appear in the text either and certainly not to the level of Jesus' identification as said Angel

[@abayomi8904]

A theological intruder into the house of God. Gbam

[@robbinsnest6163]

Master Moderator!

[@sketchbook1]

Mr. Solomon never actually gets to the actual point of contention. He also sets up a false test in saying "We have to have a 'Thus saith the LORD' to show that Jesus is the Angel of the LORD." And what he calls, "speculation" on the part of Anthony is actually a FOUNDATIONAL EXPERTISE in the Old Testament. "When you see the REAL 20 Dollar Bill?!" You're only arguing from ONE SIDE OF THE BILL! Nobody denies the authenticity of the side of the 20 dollar bill you're showing! Like I said, Mr. Rodriguez doesn't even get to the actual point of contention.

[@TheBBear86]

If I were to take the negative position in this debate, my rebuttal to Anthony would be, “Hey... shut up.”

[@dirkbradford6218]

Lolzzzzz😆 😆 😆

[@biblestudy2634]

Two people reading the same verses and getting totally different interpretations. Antony said "No Jew would have wondered what he meant by the angel of the covenant. Would that Jew believe that the Angel of the Lord was Jesus? I don't think so. The thing that amazes me most is that when Jesus started his ministry Jews, who I'm sure understood the scriptures far better than any of us, interpreted scripture by pulling out words and contextual concepts to use against Jesus and Jesus showed them to be false teachers. They could not understand Jesus interpretations. We think we are so smart as we can look back with hindsight with Paul's writings to guide us. But I think this debate is no different to the Jews of Jesus time. I'm right you're wrong. When Adam sinned God made a covenant to give His son to redeem man. The question for me is if the son was the angel of the Lord does that not make a mockery of that covenant?

[@dandev3553]

When you quote from the bible its the Gospel. Thats it. So for him to quote Galatians 1:8 about teaching the wrong gospel, whats he trying to say? That when you quote something that doesn't fit his idea of God its wrong? You can't pick and choose which verses. So for him to quote literally about teaching the wrong Gospel then denying what is directly quoted from it is extremely hypocritical. If we quote something like John 10:34 and Jesus is saying he wrote the law, that means he wrote it. "I said". They even accused him of making himself God in the same chapter. Even the Jews knew what Jesus was saying, its why they accused him of calling himself God John 10:33

[@travisrennie9863]

So I guess Hebrews 1:1is a big lie? “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by His Son,

[@biblestudy2634]

great point

[@marekp8636]

Where do all these heretics come from ? 😞 GB Anthony for wiping the floor with Him 😇

[@Gabi-tv3wp]

From hell

[@jeremiahrowesr.3130]

Yes this person is a heretic he is a Jehovah's witness, the guy that Anthony was facing but be nice about it. Jesus says to preach the gospel out of love and mercy and discernment and kindness for people who don't know it. But Anthony showed tons of kindness and love for this man. But I'm just saying just be nice about it yes the man is a heretic but just be kind.

[@jesus.is.god.forever.bless2047]

Last days..they are all coming out of the wood work.

[@Ttcopp12rt]

🤷

[@blakeroy6797]

Men suppress the truth in unrighteousness

[@jimijames7703]

20$ ?!?! Hey ! That’s indicitive of his perception of Jesus right there !! Loose debate automatically 🎤💥

[@goldendeji4748]

He was worshiped and kingly anointed by the three wisemem and he told his parents he was in his father's house at 12.

[@robbinsnest6163]

2:03:36 by denying Jesus' divinity, unitarians are on the same level as Muslims. How can you preach Jesus to them when you and the Muslim alike agree he isn't divine?

[@jesus.is.god.forever.bless2047]

Exactly! Because Jesus is, and always will be God.

[@jesus.is.god.forever.bless2047]

Exactly! Because Jesus is, and always will be God.

[@jeremiahrowesr.3130]

Now this was a debate that I wanted to hear, no calling each other idiots morons and things like that. Sam shamoun does do that while talking on his page he does call Jehovah's witnesses and other people morons and stupid. And anyone who disagrees with him he calls them sons of the devil. But very good very good debate overall guys great job.

[@Norbingel]

Yes, sadly I've had to unfollow Sam because of his vitriol. David has said he has to keep reminding Sam to keep that in check. We need to pray for Sam.

[@tauvid9798]

Sam banned me because I questioned his reliance on the churchfathers, oh boy he goes off like a rocket, big time entertainer

[@kelvyquayo]

Yes he needs to be made to understand a personality cult is an inevitability with all good and strong teachers and thus such things need to be throttled IMO. Sam surely has a great gift this great responsibility. Seeing people behave like Sam just to mimic the vitriol while lacking the education and gifts Sam has is not very useful.

[@outkastrebel9637]

Sam Shampoos one of those guys when u know a bit of knowledge of the bible, all of sudden he thinks he is Jesus himself. The way he looks down and talk down to others, very unprofessional, this is a ex Muslim guy, but still acts like those extreme Muslims with his mouth. Forcing his point across to others than calls n prays to Jesus like he's an Angel. Sam Shampoos in it for KZbin money I reckon. Even Christian Prince is another one too.

[@doxs3823]

A fool is known by his speech, and a wise man by silence. -Pythagoras

[@alessandrostabile6701]

anthony rogers filled the mouth of this unitarian incredible

[@beowulf.reborn]

Anyone know whether Solomon has repented since this debate and returned to faith in our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ?

[@dandev3553]

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" John 10:34 Who wrote the israelites law? God. So why does Jesus say "I said" as if he wrote the law? Not only that they even accuse Jesus of making himself God in the same chapter. So how could you be unitarian? "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." Genesis 1:26-27 Why does God refer to himself as "our" even in original Hebrew.

[@nahomiejuste6630]

Read John 10:35 too.

[@littleandre4957]

Exactly ('Joh' 19:7 = 19:12 "king"). The "Holy Spirit" can also refer to a "holy angel"/spirit yes as we see 'John' 14:26 fulfilled in Revelation 1:1 as well. (Keep in mind there's no uppercase letters in Greek or Hebrew texts)

[@Thomas-Purell-Ministry]

Solomon suggests the "Angel of His presence" in Isaiah 63:9 is the Holy Spirit, which is utterly nonsensical when in the same verse it says "in all their affliction He was afflicted" So he's literally suggesting that The Holy Spirit is the one that was afflicted for our sake when it's glaringly obvious and demonstrable that it's referring to Christ specifically and not the Spirit. The mental gymnastics unitarians have to do in order to totally misconstrue passages is really quite something to behold.