Debate- "Oneness vs Trinitarianism: Is Modalism Heresy?"

[@tommy9303]

Thank you Mr. Richardson well done never really realized how modalism is actually hersey . And it is

[@dgreenja]

Greetings, “heresy” on the part of oneness, is only an apparent one. It is never a real heresy. Conversely, the “truth” pertaining to the trinity, is only an apparent one. It is never a real one.

[@walkerdrae]

Yeah at I'm watching this he's clearly not addressing the scripture beyond saying "I don't believe that's what the scripture is saying". I've been dealing with family members who believe like this. They believe the Bible is open to interpretation and my rebuttal was that if that's the case then why are their false prophets? Why does the Bible warn us against false prophets. If the Bible is open to your own interpretation then why should we be leary of false teachers.

[@mjjackson5963]

Yeah Cameron basically hid in the passage in Isaiah.

[@built4speed101]

Andrae, if you're still dealing with your family over these issues, begin with these two passages of Scripture. The basis of the Authority of Scripture, not the opinions of people: 1 Corinthians 4:6 NASB Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, SO THAT IN US YOU MAY LEARN NOT TO EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN, SO THAT NO ONE OF YOU WILL BECOME ARROGANT IN BEHALF OF ONE AGAINST THE OTHER. The Refutation against Personal Interpretation of Scripture: 2 Peter 1:19-21 NASB So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. [20] But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, [21] for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. Be encouraged and stand firm on the Foundation of the Triune God and His Holy Word! Amen

[@tonylyles4032]

Here is the problem. The Trinity position is not presented correctly. Stop trying to show evidence for the position but instead correct them on Deuteronomy 6:4.

[@dgreenja]

There is no triune God in the universe. God is always a solitary and an absolute one.

[@larenphillips9673]

There is no triune God, he is one. “This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭58‬ ‭KJV‬‬ bible.com/bible/1/jhn.6.58.KJV

[@waroark1]

My question to Mr. Stokes is " Do you want to know the Truth, or do you just want to debate ?" If you seek the truth I pray that God will bless you with discernment. If you simply wish to debate may God chastise you in his perfect time.

[@streetsdisciple7491]

Brother Richardson spoke nothing but truth and perfectly explained the scriptures and how they show us the God head... Keep blessing us with these videos Shalom brotha.

[@asunoimnice]

The Trinitarian did a whole lot better at making you understand his point. The thing that I don’t understand is when you have a person in check mate they still don’t wanna except what’s going on. The oneness guy had lost and didn’t have anymore moves but he still didn’t wanna submit. To me when you get something put in your head it’s hard to let go But there’s still a God that can open doors that no man can close! Stay in pray my brothers!!!!

[@Mooseouma]

asunoimnice, Trinity is not biblical, it is what majority accept even though it is wrong. Modalism should be correct but not the way this guy is explaining

[@eflint1]

One can be a better debater, and still be wrong.

[@DrDee-xv8bh]

The word Trinity is a hermeneutical term and is not found in the Bible. There's not three Gods fighting one devil, "There's Only One Lord, One Faith, one Baptism." Ephesians 4:5

[@asemibase3697]

Dr. Dee one God who exists as the Father the Son and Holy Spirit. Which we know because it is named all throughout the gospel.

[@dgreenja]

​@@asemibase3697greetings. I think Eph 4:6 contradicts the position you defend. It mentions one God and Father of all. The one God is also identified to be the Father, in 1Cor 8:6. How is this same one God three persons? @Dr. Dee pointed out Eph 4:5 which mentions one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. Who is this one Lord in the verse, and how do you harmonize that with the trinity?

[@earlsanders1468]

Man I feel bad for anybody debating against Damon sheesh 😂😂😂

[@DhasanMccomb-d9j]

Facts he is a beast

[@melrea33]

EXCELLENT explanations, as always, Bro Damon! I appreciate how you always show the fallacies of arguments and the ways people redirect to mask the fact that they don't have an answer. No rabbit holes here! LOL. Thank you for not only teaching us to dig into the scriptures and allow the scriptures to interpret rather than we imposing our thoughts or teachings into the scriptures. I've been there, where something I was taught was shown to be wrong through studying the word. I had to go with truth above all else!

[@LeveledHeadGamer]

In all the back and forth understand this is a Scholarly debate... with that be said is salvation hinged on the belief of Oneness Doctrine or Trinity Doctrine? Or is it hinged on the belief in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross? John 5: 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. This is what saves you... do you believe Jesus was sent by God, do you believe he was/is the Son of God.. do you believe he died for the remission of sin.. and rose again!

[@LuckyLuchiano-g8o]

I'd say this is the best Trinity debate I've seen in KZbin, maybe we can go a rematch 6 years later and see if any opinions have changed 🤔?

[@rta4136]

Damon Richardson comes with the facts of the truth , if I was a blind mind I could see what Dame is saying . God bless both of you brothers and thanks for doing this .

[@kenfollowyeshuacrawford4284]

Ephesians 3:9 and to make all see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;

[@wordassassinhebrews4125]

Great teaching Pastor Damon Richardson, modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God . it denial of the trinity modalism state that God is a single person.

[@dgreenja]

If one wants to know the truth of the nature of God, look at the nature of Jesus. The fact that the divine nature of Jesus, speaks of a single-personhood, then how is that same nature which is the nature of the one God, a triune one? The nature of God within the incarnation, surely is not a triune one, which clealy implies that the same nature of God before the incarnation, was never a triune one.

[@RT-gv6us]

I magnify mine office. I come from a Oneness Pentecostal background (for decades). I am third generation OP. In this debate the Oneness advocate was not able to answer with scripture. John 8 is devastating to the Oneness position along with the prologue of John 1. I have listened to the best OP experts out there and have never heard these passages addressed well. Also, the Oneness guy drank enough soda during the debate to go into diabetic shock. I hope that was diet that he was drinking.

[@ereztree]

I know right. The oneness proponent was clearly out of his league and ill-prepared to defend his oneness position. All he could do is go back to what he's been taught and had drilled into his head by oneness teachers. That's the problem when people run into scripture in all it's totality, not just their favorite proof texts, they are lost in the sauce and don't know what to do or how to answer. That oneness guy was obviously cornered and couldn't get out of it, which is clearly seen by his nervousness and constant downing of that soda, while Bro. Richardson was as cool as a cucumber and totally dismantled the oneness theology and stripped it down to the bone.

[@dgreenja]

The verses of St. John 8 and also chapter 1, especially verse 1, I personally do not find a challenge to the oneness doctrine, and which I believe can be effectively addressed. Some trinitarian' used verses, can be somewhat challenging, but not those verses. But how about the fact that trinitarian's can't consistently define God as one? This to me, places a dent in the trinitarian theology.

[@LevyVisuals]

Im a trinitarian but Before watching this debate I always believed that modalism doesn’t compromise any major doctrine because they still confirm the deity of the incarnated son, but little did I know that God in modalism by concept literally and yes, I do mean literally strips himself of his OWN DIVINE NATURE in Philippians 2 thus meaning that God has an OPTION to be man WITHOUT concurrently having a spirit that is DIVINE , but a spirit that IS just like ours. THIS is hereditary. If you didn’t know this already give me a reply on your thoughts .

[@clayjo791]

As a former oneness Pentecostal who is now decidedly trinitarian, I was saved as a oneness Pentecostal who believed that Jesus was God, who manifested himself as the Father and the Holy Spirit at the same time. My concept of the dynamics of the Godhead was wrong, but I trusted in Jesus for my salvation. Jesus always stated that he that believes in Him shall be saved, and shall not be ashamed. So salvation is ultimately through Jesus Christ, and "he that acknowledgeth the Son has the Father also (1John 2:23; and "He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son" (2John 9). There are people who have different levels of comprehension, and I don't believe God would base salvation on their ability to comprehend the dynamics of the trinity, but on believing that Jesus is Lord. Having said this though, I do believe that Cameron's concept of Jesus is heretical.

[@hoseapierce2118]

What the guy at the bottom really needs is for the Holy Spirit to give him interpretation that man because he’s already lost from the beginning with his believe

[@gregorywalker5449]

Damon made it very plain... It's not his opinion, it's biblical.

[@ereztree]

The comments by Bro. Richardson are the most concise, scripturally sound, and irrefutable teaching concerning understanding the Godhead that I have ever heard. The oneness doctrine clearly has holes in it and Bro. Richardson clearly exposed them. There was no sound rebuttal on the part on the oneness proponent, only an attempt to view scripture through the oneness paradigm, instead of through the actual content of scripture.

[@audleymattos6262]

The speaker Cameron kept saying that he wanted an explanation on the difference between being and person when mr. Richardson clearly explain that all the way through. I don't see how he could have been any clearer.. also that was too obvious do not see the distinction between God the father and God the son. Cameron did not debunk any trinitarian argument. Especially the argument of Jesus being distinct from the father.. how can Jesus not be internally pre-existing when in John 8:58 Christ clearly says for Abraham was I am. DamienRichardson my man continue to fight for the purity of the doctrine of the trinity.

[@horetaepere2048]

Where in the bible does it say trinity or scripture says 3 distinct persons, the son was begotten he did not pre exist or was not eternal, the only heretical reasoning is the trinity.

[@kenfollowyeshuacrawford4284]

@@horetaepere2048 You that gavest names unto the four rivers: to the first Phison, because of the faith which you didst appear in the world to preach; to the second Geon, for that man was made of earth ; to the third Tigris, because by you was revealed unto us the consubstantial Trinity in the heavens ; to the fourth Euphrates, because by your presence in the world you madest every soul to rejoice through the word of immortality.

[@kenfollowyeshuacrawford4284]

You that gavest names unto the four rivers: to the first Phison, because of the faith which you didst appear in the world to preach; to the second Geon, for that man was made of earth ; to the third Tigris, because by you was revealed unto us the consubstantial Trinity in the heavens ; to the fourth Euphrates, because by your presence in the world you madest every soul to rejoice through the word of immortality.

[@edwardlong8992]

Damon is on point, just let the scriptures speak. Without knowing Hebrew and Greek, reading the English language shows the one being of God that is shared by the divine persons of the God head. Great work Damon

[@dgreenja]

With or without any knowledge of Hebrew and Greek, the incarnation presents the incarnation in terms of person and being; this is to say, the fullness of God, which fullness is one, is linked to the incarnation. God is always defined as one in every verse which presents "God". As for the aspect of sharing of the one divine being, 1Tim 6:14-16 presents Jesus as the only one who has divine immortality. The deity of Jesus, is restricted to Jesus.

[@kenfollowyeshuacrawford4284]

Hebrews 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

[@lefonzopollock4345]

God made the worlds by His Word/through His Word! The Wod is God Spirit and His Spirit is who He is!

[@kenfollowyeshuacrawford4284]

@@lefonzopollock4345 the Word and the Son are the same person! The incarnational sonship position is unbiblical heresy Sir. The Son of God is a Divine Person uncreated, but is BEGOTTEN. Begotten and born don't mean created.

[@lefonzopollock4345]

@@kenfollowyeshuacrawford4284 ??? I read that the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost is the SAME PERSON/THE ONE GOD HIMSELF! You must not be understanding my words. Read them again KNOWING I believe in The One Eternal Spirit who isGod Himself. The One Who reveals Himself to be the Father Who created me, the Son who saved me and the Holy Ghost living inside of me!

[@lavonn188]

Morning, i would like to have a discussion/dialogue bout the trinity , in this fashion

[@IM.o.s.e.s.I]

I'd love to debate any day on this issue.

[@aoc2005]

Where Cameron brought up Isaiah 44. He should have read the entire chapter and context. God is clearly mocking the false gods that Israel has put in His place of worship and He is declaring He alone and no other man made god or wanna be god helped or did what He has done. That doesn’t refute the triune God. It’s declaring He is God alone.

[@tommy9303]

I wish Damon Richardson and Dr. James white could have a dialogue on critical race theory and how it effects the Christian Church. It would be very edifying for the body.

[@lamourthegreat1]

tommy Dr James wouldn't do it

[@jasionsail]

@@lamourthegreat1 Dr. James white record speaks for himself he is a top-notch debator and apologists I doubt he would be afraid to do any debate. lets be clear trinitarian apologists today are simply regurgitating talking points from many older apologists most get their info and claims from Dr White.

[@CaldwellApologetics]

We clearly see who is honoring scripture and who is letting traditions and presuppositions obfuscate the clear teaching of scripture. This is a classic case of cognitive dissonance. Good job brother Richardson for earnestly defending the faith. Cameron Stokes was simply out of his depth in this passionate and edifying exchange. Cameron is totally incorrect by asserting that getting the proper conception of God wrong is not heretical. It is one thing to believe heretical ideas out of ignorance and it is another to deny them once the scriptures have spoken. The apostle John gives us the objective litmus test thereby avoiding any notions of subjective rationalization. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. (1 John 4:1-3) This passage is in perfect harmony with your explanation of Philippians 2:5-11. 1. Jesus Christ pre-incarnate actively comes into flesh. He is not the recipient of the action because the verb is active (not passive) 2. The verb is also is perfect tense indicating a past action with continuing implications

[@davidgreen8574]

Being in the form of God, is indeed continuous, but this continuity of the form of God, does not denote an eternality of this form, because this form is a physical one.

[@aoc2005]

“And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:6-9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@Blaktastic]

The Catholic Church has admitted to interpolation in the way that 1st John 5:7 is written as, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." There is no mention of "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost" in the original manuscripts. This is what is called a "Johannine Comma", and it didn't appear until the Vulgate Translation of the Scriptures into Latin in the 4th century. It was put there to purposely promote the Trinity. If anyone or any group has to insert additions or embellish the scriptures to teach a doctrine that is not explicit in the Scriptures concerning the person of God then that doctrine is false.

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

What about Hebrews 1; John 1; Revelation chapters 4 and 5? What about the Fathers declaration of who Christ is at his baptism and his transfiguration? What about Christ identifying himself as "The one true God's, Son" in John 17 in his prayer to the Father, where he affirms that he was with the Father in the beginning? What about Peter confessing Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ, and Jesus himself affirming his view of him? What about Jesus confessing he is the Son of God to Pilate when his identity was question? The entire new testament affirms the Trinity theology.

[@Blaktastic]

@@user-yh3cy8tj1d What about it? Because you limit God to a Trinity to explain is omnipotence you have actually made him a limited God who can only exist within the confines of your understanding. If his ways are as high as the heavens are above us then what makes you think the revelation of his person is restricted to your finite logic? Do you even know what the title "Son of God" actually means from a Hebrew understanding? There is no such thing as the Trinity in the New Testament, and the apostles would have thought it a false doctrine created from Greek paganism.

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

Mr. Blaktastic you didn’t address any of the Bible verses. What do those verses mean?

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

Mr. Blaktastic 1 John 1:3 that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

Mr. Blaktastic Romans 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. So Jesus is interceding unto the Father. The Holy Spirit is also interceding for us. Refer to verse 26.

[@angel0fshadows84]

Clearly Mr. Stokes could not defend his beliefs in light of scripture presented by Pastor Richardson. If he really believes scripture he should have relented just a few minutes into the debate. To answer another comment, salvation depends on believing that God the Son died for our sins as opposed to a man indwelt by God the Father dying for our sins. You can have no grasp of the grace of God otherwise. Keep up the good work pastor.

[@cashtealcooley5840]

God help his soul. He’s clearly denying scripture. Can’t reason with pride. God sent his Son John 3:16.

[@RichiePGD]

At around the 38:00 mark, the trinitarian advocates for a God the son using John 1:18 as a proof text. He does this by saying Jesus is the unique son, who is himself God. That is how the NLT translates it. Or "God the only Son.. " in the NRSV. But that is very deceptive Because the trinitarian gentleman didn't point out that there is a textual variant in John 1:18. It's either unique "son" OR unique "God." You CANNOT use both "Son" and "God" in that text! It is one or the other. Tertullian himself(who's writings are older than codex aleph) said "begotten Son," not "begotten God." So the Son is what the Word became, he was by the Father's side. John 1:18 is a post incarnation text.

[@jasionsail]

that is the thing about a lot of trinitarian apologists they refuse to be honest with the textual discrepancies of their "proof texts"they simply present the text all matter of factly as "it just is" when in reality they have simply taken the variant they agree with and ignore the rest

[@xaviermcfalls959]

He used the Greek text and grammar to prove the point.

[@Blaktastic]

Damon has absolutely no understanding of Oneness Pentecostal theology. The Trinity can be seen as true heresy and is a couple centuries late. Why didn't the Apostle teach it? They didn't teach it because it was not Biblical and would be unknown to them. Why didn't they explicitly repeat verbatim Matthew 28:19 when baptizing but only exclusively use the model of Acts 2:38 in "Jesus name"? They understood the fullness of the Godhead bodily is in Christ. Matthew 28:19 doesn't give the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost separate names as Damon incorrectly asserted; "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Furthermore, Oneness folks don't deny the deity of Christ, and that is a false assertion by Pastor Richardson as well as others. They fully believe in the triune Godhead of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as the Scriptures teach but DO NOT define that as a "Trinity". The "trinity" is a definition of the Godhead that became a doctrine created by men, not God. The Oneness view of Christ is that he is fully God and one in the same with the Father & Holy Ghost. Modalism & Unitarianism are also false labels given by trinitarians to demonize other believers in Christ without ever actually understanding what they believe or listening in sincerity to come to an understanding. Damon needs to actually talk to some oneness theologians like David K. Bernard who he challenged, but then in doing so he needs to actually listen instead of assuming to know and coming off as being sanctimonious. Oneness folks don't condemn trinitarians like trinitarians do to oneness folks about the Godhead. The trinitarian has made themselves an opponent of Christ by teaching that if you don't accept the trinity as God then you are a heretic, and they have no Scripture to back that up at all. They are doing exactly what Christ condemned in vainly teaching the doctrines of men as the commandments of God.

[@radiologytube2133]

Your boy lost give it up. Plus you did not explain Mt.28:19 you just posted the scripture Pastor Damon explained.

[@Blaktastic]

@@radiologytube2133 the only thing Damon benefitted from was debating someone who isn't that well spoken on the subject. The truth can't lose, and the Trinity is not the truth, so it will always lose even when it appears to be winning.

[@asemibase3697]

Mr. Blaktastic still didn’t Speak on matthew 28:19

[@Blaktastic]

@@asemibase3697 you still don't understand it or you wouldn't be asking about it. Jesus said to do that not repeat it verbatim, and the Apostles did exactly what he said by baptizing in the literal 'NAME' (singular) of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit", and not just the authority as trinitarians like to say. The fact there is no record of a trinitarian baptismal formula in the first church, but that all water baptisms were explicitly done only in the name of Jesus proves that. They knew who Jesus Christ really was, and understood what he told them in John chapters 14-16 about himself. The apostles weren't trinitarians, but were strict monotheists. The apostles weren't confused like folks are today after adopting tainted Eurocentric pagan polytheistic Christianity.

[@jcarnegie5772]

Modalism is heresy. Has always been rejected throughout church history. Why do you think it has been?

[@DrDee-xv8bh]

I'm Apostolic, and monotheistic, and I believe that Jesus Christ - Yashua hamashiach - was none other than Yahweh, the God of Abraham, in the flesh. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three presentations of YHWY/God, not three separate gods. A person once asked me how can the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost be one and the same, and I said to them, "My name is Dee, and I'm a son, a brother, an uncle, a grandson, a nephew, and a cousin, and my name is Dee." If I can be all of these persons simultaneously, why is it hard to believe that God can be three persons simultaneously? The Lord has many Hebrew names that are personifications of His Characteristics, so where lies the confusion? And the word Godhead, in Colossians 2:9 originally means, "the personality, or Characteristics of God", therefore, the word Trinity cannot be synonymous with the word, Godhead. In layman terms, Colossians 2:9 can be worded, "In His(Christ) body fully lives all of God's personality" or "In His (Christ) body Fully lives all of God's characteristics. That means that all of God was in Christ, making Christ God incarnate.

[@jdilla999]

Yes Yashua HaMashiach is "A YAHWEH" out many YAHWEH'S.

[@disciplewarrior686]

Praise God for Mr. Richardson

[@jcarnegie5772]

Modalism is rebellion against the scriptures, it is also idolatry.

[@trustbelievethegospel6341]

Damon clearly was the teacher. #StudyToShowThyselfApproved

[@lutherbronner]

You must except what the scripture for it’s saying. It’s not for private interpretation. Don’t add or take away from the scripture. The nature man cannot understand the things of God. Understanding come from the Holy Spirit.

[@PrescribedTruth]

This was so encouraging!!

[@tomgeorge9025]

People that say when Jesus said blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, That Jesus says that blasphemy of the Father and Son will be forgiven,, Jesus did not say blasphemy of the Farther and Son, He said blasphemy of the Son, of the flesh that they killed will be forgiven.

[@hoseapierce2118]

To the guy debating in the bottom screen do you have the knowledge but you did not have the power within I really really hope you learn to believe before it cost you your eternity.

[@justicebinion8109]

Damon goes on for so long even the supposed moderator has to cut him off because he says so much it’s impossible to remember

[@lutherbronner]

No man can interpret God. Only the Holy Spirit know God. No language can interpret God. Nothing God made interpret Himself.

[@barrybutler117]

Good Thanks for revelation

[@davidgreen8574]

Re Hebrews 1:3 God never had an agent in creation, because it was the Father who alone is responsible for creation, according Isaiah 44:24. The 'by' or the 'through' does not indicate agency, because the source of creation IS ALSO the means through which creation is. Mr. Richardson, 'being' does not only refer to a state of existence, because a being can have an identity, where a person becomes one being, eg you are one human being. You and the other two men in the discussion, are three human beings and not only three persons. Hence in reference to the trinity, it amounts to three identifiable divine beings, and not one being in three persons. Mr. Richardson, if God the trinity is love, then who from all eternity is the object of the trinity's love? Don't tell me sir, that the object of the trinity's love, is the trinity.

[@PraisesTTMH]

Interesting discussion, I don’t agree with either view! But if I chose a side I would say oneness would be mine

[@lutherbronner]

In O.T. You the working of the God the Father(, God the Son( as Lord) ,God Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

[@josephgraham4771]

I think Cam is drowning in biblical truth.. Wow

[@BooCuzz]

The young man is not clear. Sorry

[@hoseapierce2118]

1:40:28 is where the guy in the bottom screen revealed he does believe that Jesus is God. I’m believing he has some okay theology but no revelation

[@jdoggmusicman]

Buddy was not prepared for this debate. This was a first-degree butchering by Damon. Bro couldn't even really contest ANY of Damon's exegetical explanations of these passages without essentially just stating the foundational belief of oneness theology. Very one-sided argument given the other side really didn't deal with scripture, moreso beliefs.

[@hoseapierce2118]

With all due respect, how can you debate with someone you know less van? I would definitely take it as a learning experience, because even I win listening can understand and even I would’ve read the Bible and who understands the gifts of God and the power of the Holy Spirit and working with in the heart of man who has the Holy Spirit would be given revelation of these things.Being a theologian is honorable and knowing God’s word but you could lead you to a point to where your understanding tries to go beyond the word of God which is the only understanding you need. Research is a good thing but revelation is even better.

[@davidgreen8574]

I will ask Mr. Richardson a number of quuestions. (1) Regarding St. John 1:1, if this verse was written as 'and the word was with the Father', i believe you would have interpreted it to mean that the word was a distinct person FROM the Father. But the verse says 'and the word was with God'. Do you see the word as being distinct FROM God as you see the word as being distinct from the Father? If the word is a distinct person FROM God, then it implies one of two things; either that the word is not God, because there is only one God, or there is a distinction of God FROM God. How do you explain this? Remember, God is not merely a 'what' in terms of his nature, but that he is a 'who' in terms of a personal identity. Your position is actually present the theos who is not the ton theon, and also the ton theon which is not the theos. The distinction is with the ton theon and the theos, as persons, then how do you logically maintain monotheism within Jn 1:1? The above shows one thing, that the conjunction distinguishes two aspects of the same Jesus, as both the thinker, the ton theon, and the theos in terms of the thought.

[@worldoutreachministries2644]

What are you saving or asking about the word and God ?

[@davidgreen8574]

My position is that of consistency. If the word is a distinct person from the Father, which is one Father, how is the word a distinct from the God which is one God?

[@worldoutreachministries2644]

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[@worldoutreachministries2644]

@@davidgreen8574 the word is separate and distinct from God the father but the word is God.

[@davidgreen8574]

That is the point of trinitarians which is actually more than one God, because the word being a separate person from God who is one, makes him either a distinguishable God, or not God at all. The God which the word was with, is one God, which cannot be disputed, because there is only one God. If the ton theon is one, then the distinguishable existence of the word, does not present another deity in heaven. God and his Word, are inseparably one.

[@tommy9303]

So he doesn't think Jesus was the God man fully God and fully man having two natures?

[@raycurryjr1925]

I refuse to try to explain the Godhead in any terms outside scripture. Oneness is not a biblical term, 3 persons is not a biblical term, Jesus is the Father is not a Biblical phrase, but Jesus is the EVERLASTING Father is a biblical phrase (There's a difference). So, just stick with biblical terms ONLY

[@taebrown384]

Bible isnt a biblical term, just saying.

[@jasionsail]

very interesting tat Damon Richarson continues to present himself as a greek "speaker" when he clearly is new to greek and makes many grammatical claims that are simply regurgitated from other trinitarian apologists instead of actually presenting the proof we just hear "it's airtight" "scholars say", "it just is " etc when these types of discussion occur greek is used as a ploy to attempt to woo the audience over if the debate is going to be based off an argument of greek grammar then both presenters should be not just fluent in the greek but leading authorities in the koine Greek language not just theological apologists .

[@Livelife95ify]

Damon should not raise his voice and talk "AT" his opponent his tone and approach creates Hostility towards the brother that disagrees with him... Almost like " How dare you" disagree with me. Damon is a trained student of Scripture, all the "extra attitude" is unnecessary...... This was a great debate Damon was the clear winner!!!!

[@asemibase3697]

It was a debate not a casual talk

[@lutherbronner]

Jesus Christ wasn’t incarnation. He said I was b 4 the world. God said let US make man in our image. God Spirit is the Holy Spirit. Three personalities one God equal power.

[@MrHellowwww1]

Numbers 23 19 God is not man ... Facts about what leads to God being more complex than man and not the one of oneness Duet 6 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD(Yehovah) our God(Elohim) is one LORD(Yehovah): The second principle of Judaism is "The belief in G‑d's absolute and unparalleled unity." www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/332555/jewish/Maimonides-13-Principles-of-Faith.htm How a Rabbi does it kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGnYqmCGptmsrqM Plural and singular nouns used for the God of Israel El is singular in Hebrew and used for the God of Israel 213. strong number 410 Elohim is plural in Hebrew(ohim makes plural) and used for God of Israel 2346. strong number 430 God is not to be define as man. In Hebrew every word which is applied to God and man has different definitions In Hebrew the first letter is alef which symbol for a and 1. God is infinite one and man is one. Defined by the Rabbi/Jewish teachers kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZzRhZqqn6xpn7c

[@tomgeorge9025]

Why did Jesus say that blasphemy of the Son will be forgiven, but blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven,?? Q. Is the third person more than the second person of the Trinity? Son was beaten,spit on, killed, it was forgiven, the Spirit in Christ Jesus was the Father in him that was casting out demons,, 2Corth 5:19 God was in Christ Jesus . He said the Father in me do the work. Sorry no third person of three. 2Tim 2:5 One God and one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus.

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

SO what was John 17 all about when Jesus was praying and telling The Father he has completed his work and he desires to be glorified with him just as he was before the world began?

[@Nappy2BeMe]

I....I can't. @ 1:32:39 (I'll get there in a minute) This guy is sad. And it is straight mind boggling how he's literally NOT---exegeting scripture. First @ around 1:11:43 He brings up Isaiah 44 and focuses on verse 24. Now, I'm thinking dude if you so focused on what the Most High said there (cause that's 'red-letter' verse)---then, GOODNESS guy... what is the Son (in capital letters) in Isaiah 9:6 that points to the Deity of Jesus and Trinity right there---called???? The Mighty GOD >>>>>>The Everlasting Father. Did the Most High have more than one Son? NO. 1John 5:7. Does it not tell you who the MYSELF is? For there are three (3) that bear record in where? IN HEAVEN. the Father (GOD the Father), the Word (GOD the Son and JOHN 1:1-4 tells us who the Word is) AND the Holy Ghost (GOD the Holy Spirit)---------these three (3) are what dude????? ONE. What's wrong wit chu? You must've been born breached and lost oxygen at birth. I could see if you were ACTUALLY TRYING to refute the scriptures thrown out there but your not even reading them. You're a parrot. You are what happens when you don't read that BIBLE. And let me just enlighten you sir. If your friends as you say know Greek then you should have had called one of them for a 'life line'. However, you DO NOT have to know Greek and Hebrew to understand HIS preserved Word. Sure--it would be nice to know it but do you need it? Naw. So quit using the fact that BECAUSE the Pastor is using his education (which if you go pay for it---you better use it)---as a reason why your not able to "give an answer" like Peter instructed believers. But then again---you can't give an answer if your theology is------you got it. You're leaning on your rationale NOT...the scripture. WRONG. I ain't even a good debater but even I----- could put a chalk line around you. @1:32:39 Wait...lemme rewind what you just said that made my edges fall out some more----- Did you just say "I just want to say to this man that---I don't believe (according to scripture)...that there was a divine person in heaven---that became flesh". Record scratch. OMGooooooodness!!!!!!!! Did you just fix your mouth to say such foolishness????? WHO IS THE Word????????? Jesus. Then what does John 1:14 say? "And the Word (i.e JEEEEESUS) was MADE FLESSSSHHHHH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER,) FULL of Grace and truth. His what?????????? His GLORY. There is His Divinity right there. Gosh. When Jesus was talking to them ole' Pharisees you must've been standing riiiight there. "SEARCH (and in this case I like the NASB translation better: "YOU search...", HCSB says: "You pour over...") Any way Jesus says: " Search the scriptures; for IN them ye THINK ye have eternal life; and THEY are THEY that TESTIFY OF ME". I sure hope sir that---your not a disciple of that 'ole self-glorifying' Gino Jennings. Cause he go be maaaaad at chu' on how you just failed miserably in your stance and defense as a so-called "Oneness Pentecostal" follower. You better get right. Sad.

[@larenphillips9673]

God is not a trinity out your trust in the word of God more than man. God says he’s one then he’s one. God has one spirit. Read your Bible and don’t trust in man. Jesus is God manifested in flesh. God is a Spirit the eternal Spirit was in the body of the man Christ Jesus to redeem his people back into him. Don’t believe the lies a lot of people don’t know because they truly not reading for themselves. “Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭8‬-‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬ bible.com/bible/1/jhn.14.8-11.KJV “He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭10‬-‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ bible.com/bible/1/jhn.1.10-14.KJV God spoke things into existence from the beginning in Genesis 1:26-27, this same God made a body for himself to redeem his people. It was the one true living God. Let no body deceive you. Obey Acts 2:38 I pray this help. God has a true body following him. “Outreach Church of Jesus Christ “ preaches the true unadulterated word of God. I pray this blesses all that will read. God is one not three, don’t believe a lie about God

[@floydwhite1338]

That soda dead bruh let it go, it wont help your refusal too obersve, receive, and make plain. 😂 🍾 🍼

[@Blaktastic]

The entire explanation of the Trinity makes no sense from a Biblical perspective or a logical one, and those who are determined to adhere to such a doctrine have to go to great lengths to make it sound like it makes sense while ignoring their own contradictions in trying to do so as they use Greek language with Greek philosophical concepts.

[@biologywithclaritybiologyw2400]

This is not a debate.This is two against one.the person who is hosting is clearly not neutral and is a trinitarian. They should have used a neutral person.The guy damon is more knowleagble about theology and the word but dont means he is correct.The guy debating is a very weak debater and so if its an arguement of who won the debate by better skills its damon.This does not mean he his correct.They should have used damon vs david bernard

[@bigmarcopro]

The fact he (Damon) started reading in Greek, took me out lol

[@Nappy2BeMe]

RIGHHHGGGHHHTTT.....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. And Pastor went in hard with it too. Kind of remind me when you watched your mama play 'Spades' and you knew it was 'on' when she got up with that cigarette hangin' out her mouth and she was gettin' ready to slap that ACE down. And all those 'ungodly' words came outta' everybody's mouth cause they realized---they wasn't go make they 'books'..... THAT was hilarious what you said.....lololololololol….cause honestly, I would have 'checked out' --- right there. ROFL!!!! I woulda' threw a shirt over my screen and "yelled...I think I'm losing my connection to the internet". Powered down that lap-top, went and got a nice cold glass of Kool-Aid to cry in-- cut on Netflix and watch me some "Black Panther or Infinity Wars" . Try to forget what happen. Be thankful for what didn't.

[@ricardomclean4021]

Jesus say he do all thing that plz the father the gunship of Jesus Christ is a lamb my questions to that that brother that use a lot of terminology is who name did. Christ come in ? and if all the Heavenly horse have a name what is the name of the God that you serve ? and who started the Trinity and where is it in the holy scriptures not working out things showing clearly where is it in the holy scriptures? And who is that say hi share my glory with no one are is there any equal to me? Is this not God words? our why did the prophet Isaiah see the old your God is coming even God even god without recompense and when you come the blind shall see the lame shall leap the deaf shall hear? Please don't use the holy scripture to justify your belief believe what the word say that is the word of God having debate about which denomination is correct I thought we really a practicing the apostles Doctrine the Jesus Christ leave as a commandment for us baptizing people in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit what is that mean is that name Jesus Christ ? if not why did Jesus say in Luke 24 repentance and remission of sin should be preaching this name among all Nation beginning at Jerusalem? Is that not a commandment by Jesus himself

[@carlenethames7614]

A debate is when each person explained what he believed to be true on both side in order to chain the thoughts of The Listener from what they currently believe into believing what they believe a debate is not to argue or to win or two overpower the other the mediator should gain control of this debate and follow traditional debate protocol which they are not

[@aoc2005]

“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ Does Genesis not show the doctrine of a triune God?

[@leahjames6870]

No, Genesis does not show the doctrine of the trinity. Read the next verse and prove the trinity doctrine from there. You can't.

[@Chris85.]

@@leahjames6870 That's why we are trinitarians. Plural in persons and singular in being.

[@leahjames6870]

@@Chris85. What does that mean, "plural in person"??? Can you please explain the difference between a person and a being.

[@Chris85.]

@@leahjames6870 A person means having personality, emotions, self awareness distinct from another. Being is the essence, nature what makes God the God. Distinct pluralities of persons makes up one being of God. Plurals "us", " Our" makes persons of God and "He", " I", "Him" makes singular being of God. Plural in persons and singular in being.

[@dgreenja]

God as a triune being is neither explicit nor implicit in the verse. There are varied views of understanding of that verse, away from the trinitarian understanding of the same.

[@worldoutreachministries2644]

Absolutely, Damon is man of truth and is well able to defend the triune God.

[@dgreenja]

Damon knows his doctrine well, but it is my view that he badly misrepresents what the scriptures teach about the Godhead. If one wants to have a proper understanding of what one God, or God is one,means, look at verses where “God” is applied to a single-person. The definition of God being one, is maintained in every verse which mentions “God”.

[@worldoutreachministries2644]

@@dgreenja Hello Friend! It's been awhile! Who did you say God is?

[@dgreenja]

The position I hold to is that God is one as in Deut 6:4, and that this one God was manifested in the flesh, and who now resides in believers as the Holy Spirit.

[@worldoutreachministries2644]

@@dgreenja TO help me see your perspective again, if God is one , one what?

[@dgreenja]

One in every perspective included his personhood. This oneness is not a triune oneness.

[@TheMrham1972]

See I didn't have to listen to the whole debate to know that you need it to prove a point about the Bible outside of the Bible see trinitarians not in there fact and saying that it alludes to it it's still a lie Jesus never said he was Trinity he did say he was 1 fact

[@quadriamandler8315]

Powerful!!!

[@eflint1]

Same old garbage. "One WHAT, three WHO's". And I'm supposed to be impressed with this how?

[@lutherbronner]

The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. Not man the Bible is God Holy words.

[@Blaktastic]

It never ceases to amaze me that men who haven't even explored the full depths of the Earth we live on think they know the mystery of the Godhead concerning the Sovereign of the universe. This is what I call "fathead scholarship". We have become so full of ourselves and deceived by our own arrogance in the name of a "orthodoxy" that we believe we know God better than anyone else. We then demonize anyone else who doesn't accept our views, but have to go to great lengths to try explaining something which the Bible does not teach to try explaining a term that men created to label God with (Trinity) when the Lord himself never uses such a term or ideology to describe himself.

[@DeeProverbs]

Neither is the word “Bible”, but don’t we use that man-made word to describe the scriptures might I add has 40 authors, written over covering different timelines between a possible 6,000 yrs on 3 continents, also originally written in two different languages. As well as being a combined account of the Torah, tanakh, four fold gospel and epistles. However to make the word of God simple to all nations we have one book that combines all of that called the Bible also known as the Word of God aka the scriptures. Here’s an added bonus, this is all three of the God head in one verse in the Old Testament, Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Soooooo is using the word “Trinity” to describe this verse a bad idea still?

[@Blaktastic]

@@DeeProverbs and many people still don't use the word "Bible" but refer the Scriptures as the Scriptures, nor does the word "Bible" change the Scriptures like the word "trinity" does to the doctrine of God. That's a weak comparison that has never been seriously contested as false doctrine.

[@Blaktastic]

@@DeeProverbs and yes "Trinity" is and always will be a bad word for insertion in Scripture, because it's a foreign concept to every Biblical writer or person of note mentioned in Scripture.

[@DeeProverbs]

Mr. Blaktastic are you also of the oneness doctrine if I may ask?

[@Blaktastic]

@@DeeProverbs I believe God is what he says he is as revealed in the Scriptures, and that when we attempt to define as more than that then we are in error. The false trinity doctrine is the greatest error & heresy of all. I accept the tri-unity of GOD's manifestation to us in the unique mystery of his divine oneness, but I also accept that nowhere does he say he is a trinity of persons. ISAIAH 45:5-6; "I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6) That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else."

[@lutherbronner]

The Holy Spirit us you the understanding not Greek and Hebrew.

[@Nappy2BeMe]

Po' Pastor. Voice just...lol....going out trying to get this dude to READ. The guy ain't even reading the text he just giving his commentary. That's not Bible.

[@dgreenja]

Bro. Richardson has made a presentation about person and being, by attempting to distinguish between the “whats” and the “who” in my own terms of usage. From my discussions with many trinitarians, they deny that the essence of the person is a part of the person. If that is the case, then if the essence is known as God, and that essence is not a part of the person, then it implies that the person only carries God (the essence and nature) without being God (the essence and nature). If the person is God, and God by nature, then how is the nature of the “who” not a part of the “who”? Furthermore, even within the definition of the word “person”, the “whats” of the person is incorporated within the person. A person has self-will. Mr. Richardson “self-will is not a person, but an aspect of the nature of the person. “Self-will” is a “what” which becomes a part of the one “who”. The same applies to other elements of a person eg intelligence which also is not a person, but is an attribute which a person has, and which is a part of a person. So self-will and intelligence or intellect, are “whats” of the who, none of which is a “who” or a person. The same applies to love, which is an element of a person while not a person itself, but is a part of a person. So narrrowing down the being to the elements of a person, even without incorporating the divine essence, the “whats” of the person has to be present in order for the person to exist. So there is no such thing as a distinction of the person and the being.

[@justicebinion8109]

He learned this from seminary. Talked way too much about nothing

[@lefonzopollock4345]

Here's why you can't show a Trinitarian that the trinity isn't the true teaching of Scripture: A triune god beliver belives that God is three whos and one what 😳. Yes, its what they believe! "They" gave a definition (not the Bible) of how ALL people should view "their" Trinitarian construct of God. After formulating this "construct" THEY deem all who reject it to be in error! BUT......It's not Bible 😶. For instance; They say that the triune god is a being who consists in three distinct realities of god who are also in union the one reality of god. Nothing else exist in this way! Their answer is...nothing else is God 🤓 It's like saying 3 distinct eggs are in unity an egg! When I say IMPOSSIBLE They say, not with an egg but God is not an egg 😏 When you question them on this construct they say, "Who are we to question God on the reality of who He is! We must accept Him as He is and aline our thinking with who He has revealed Himself to be to mankink through Scripture"! Now, how are you going to show them the God of the Bible when they believe in a mythical triune god with a theory for how to explain him which "they" admit is a mystery of how? They have outlined the parameters of debate over the nature of The God of the Bible by only allowing..... Their hermeneutical approach Their exegesis of scripture Their interpretation of scripture Their definition of words So you see, trinity and triune god theory is ALWAYS true to a Trinitarian because they believe in what isn't so! Think about it; They say each person in the trinity is FULLY god by substance while at the same time distinct and equal in persons of being yet in union the same. (WHAT? yeah, me too 😅) In their belief, this is true because they see a god who has revealed this in Scripture. So when a True Bible Christian or a person who accepts Scripture shows them the True God of the Bible or what Scripture says, they can't comprehend what you're saying or what's being said about Jesus because they believe in a god theory that you aren't talking about. It's sadly, a pointless debate! I see a God who by His Spirit manifests Himself to Be The One God Who is Father, Son and Holy Ghost being The One Personl God Who is Himself all three. They can't see Him in this way because they look for distinct persons in unity while I see One ETERNAL SPIRIT manifesting Himself to be the three. I see 3 who are 1and the same Spirit while Trinitarians see a 1 god being who is 3 distinct persons in unity 1 spiritual being. Bible/// Dut. 6:4 The 1 LORD GOD, HE is 1 GOD Who is 1 LORD! 🙌🏾 Trinity: The 1 lord god is 3 gods who are 3 lords who are 1 god who is 1 lord who is 3 in unity 1 🤔

[@TheMrham1972]

He lied when he said Oneness is not in the Doctrine

[@mididas2151]

Richardson is spot on about echad...

[@jessepelaez874]

As a former trinitarian I can say that the only verse to support it is in Mathew 28 but Mathew got marriage wrong by saying you can divorce if she cheats. Also teaches that the graves rose when clearly they did not. At the end of the debate the Unitarian made a great point, show us the trinity in revelation. I want everyone to notice that we don’t see one or 3 in revelation. We see only two, the Father and the lamb at his right hand. That’s why both y’all are wrong but tho is not a salvational issue.

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

The trinity is found in revelation chapter 4-5. The Father on the throne, the Lamb which is jesus and the 7 spirits of God which is also discussed in Isaiah.

[@jessepelaez874]

@@user-yh3cy8tj1d I agree 100% the Holy Spirit is the 7 Spirits or Angels in Rev 1:20 The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches. You need to read isaiah in the light of rev not the reverse. In other area's in scripture the Holy Spirit is at times referred to the spirit of Christ and he has the Spirit of the Father. Which causes the confusion. Final point, look at rev 5: 13And I heard every creature in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To HIM who sits on the throne, and to the LAMB, be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever!” Thats 2, the picture of a husband and wife being one is just a shadow of what he has in store for us. That also include the 7 Spirits/Angels of God, worshipping the 2.

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

Jesse Pelaez Jesus also says that if you see him you see the Father, but that is him speaking in regards to his nature. Jesus revealed the fullness of Gods character, nature, etc in the most tangible way we had ever seen him. When The Holy Spirit is refereed to as the Spirit of Christ or The Spirit of the Son, they are isolated references to help you understand the topic of discussion which is why they aren’t used anywhere else. In Galatians 4, Paul refers to the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of God’s son in order to help the reader understand that The Holy Spirit within them is what makes them God’s children and that is what connects them with Christ and essentially what makes us heirs with him because he himself is an heir. Romans 8 is where Paul refers to the Spirit of Christ in the same sense. He is explaining justification which is only attained through Christ and what ties us all together is The Holy Spirit which has been given to everyone who believes in the completed work of Jesus Christ. Also if you read John 16 Jesus affirms that the one who keeps his words and loves him He and his Father will make there dwelling place or abode with that person. So when you believe you get the fullness of God within you, which is what Christ is referring to when he says They will be one with me, as I am one with you. Now we can continue on reading in Romans 8 and see that the Holy Spirit makes intercession for the saints because according to the text We don’t know what to pray for (within our own selves). Continue on to Verse 34 and it teaches the Jesus makes intercession for us as well. It’s no different from him praying for his disciples in John 17. These aren’t empty verses, but they teach us about the relationship between Jesus and our Father. They also teach us about our relationship with him which is hat connects us to God. Without embracing The Son we do not have The Father. If we reject the messiah we reject his salvation as well according to 1 John 2:23 and John 3:18. Jesse Pelaez Jesus also says that if you see him you see the Father, but that is him speaking in regards to his nature. Jesus revealed the fullness of Gods character, nature, etc in the most tangible way we had ever seen him. When The Holy Spirit is refereed to as the Spirit of Christ or The Spirit of the Son, they are isolated references to help you understand the topic of discussion which is why they aren’t used anywhere else. In Galatians 4, Paul refers to the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of God’s son in order to help the reader understand that The Holy Spirit within them is what makes them God’s children and that is what connects them with Christ and essentially what makes us heirs with him because he himself is an heir. Romans 8 is where Paul refers to the Spirit of Christ in the same sense. He is explaining justification which is only attained through Christ and what ties us all together is The Holy Spirit which has been given to everyone who believes in the completed work of Jesus Christ. Also if you read John 16 Jesus affirms that the one who keeps his words and loves him He and his Father will make there dwelling place or abode with that person. So when you believe you get the fullness of God within you, which is what Christ is referring to when he says They will be one with me, as I am one with you. Now we can continue on reading in Romans 8 and see that the Holy Spirit makes intercession for the saints because according to the text We don’t know what to pray for (within our own selves). Continue on to Verse 34 and it teaches the Jesus makes intercession for us as well. It’s no different from him praying for his disciples in John 17. These aren’t empty verses, but they teach us about the relationship between Jesus and our Father. They also teach us about our relationship with him which is hat connects us to God. Without embracing The Son we do not have The Father. If we reject the messiah we reject his salvation as well according to 1 John 2:23 and John 3:18. Jesus in turn excepts this same view. If someone rejects us (his body) then they reject him (his invitation).

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

Also Matthew 28 isn’t the only verse. What about Hebrews one where the Father clearly refers to the Son whom he loves as God and himself as God. It teaches Christ was present in creation prior to his incarnation in flesh. What about The writer of Hebrews saying in Chapter 9 that Jesus entered into the true tabernacle in heaven to appear in the presence of God to make atonement once and for all with his blood? What about John ch.17 that records one of multiple prayers to the Father? What about Jesus’s information about the Holy Spirit in John chapters 14-16? He teaches that he must go, but The Father will send ANOTHER comforter in his name. Another comforter, not himself. Jesus said himself, He goes to prepare a place for his disciples.

[@jessepelaez874]

@@user-yh3cy8tj1d All that and you have nothing on revelation which is what the comment is about... Like i said you must read all of scripture in the light of revelation... John speaks of the 3 in ch1:4-5 THEN verse 20 calls them 7 angels, then in chapter 5 everything is worshiping the Father and the Son. I would agree if there was 3 in rev 5:13 but it just isnt there. This is the one most important place, do you think john just forgot to mention the spirit here?

[@tomgeorge9025]

None of the church fathers quotes from 1John 5:7 Three in heaven, to prove the Trinity, it was added hundreds of years later, men twist Paul's letters and came up with different doctrine,. any thing from the Catholic Church Teaching turn from,, if none of the scriptures say that God is three persons who are coequil coeternal copowerful face to face, 2Corth 5:19 God was in Christ Jesus. 2Tim 2:5 One God and one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus.

[@Yud_Trinitarian]

A trinitarian cannot pray with a modalistic heretic, it doesn't make sense, oneness believe in a completely different god

[@leahjames6870]

If oneness believers have a different GOD, then trinitarians definitely have a different god...

[@Blaktastic]

The doctrine of the Trinity is the most damaging and divisive false doctrine in the entire history of the Church. Christians who are suppose to be born again by grace through faith in Christ Jesus are determined to call themselves "Trinitarians" and falsely as well as disrespectfully label those who believe in the Biblical Oneness of the Godhead as "modalists" or heretics. This sounds like Crips & Bloods, and nowhere in any scripture are we told to be trinitarians or that one is not saved because they don't accept that point of view. The "Trinity" wasn't even a doctrine until over 200-years after the Church began, and was not a teaching of the Apostles. The Godhead is a divine mystery that must be revealed by the Lord himself. The Trinity is rooted in the philosophy of pagan polytheism and is not Scriptural.

[@DrDee-xv8bh]

Amen tell it like it is!

[@stephanegb]

Once again another oneness pentecostal who listens only to respond but doesn't listen to understand then respond. The trinitarian brother already addressed the difference between being hood and person hood very clearly. Yet the oneness brother says he didn't really???. Throughout the whole debate the oneness brother never dealt with any of the scriptures that were presented. The problem with oneness pentecostal's comes down to hermeneutics. The basic law of hermeneutics is that you interpret the old in light of the new and in this case it's the Old testament interpreted in light of the New testament. Why because of progressive revelation. The New testament is further revaltion. I've dealt with oneness pentecostal's myself even debated them and as long as they interpret scritpure that way they will never be able to embrace the true Jesus Christ (i.e the son) who is God and has always existed. The way the oneness pentecostal brother is conducting himself is common among oneness individuals.

[@vaughnlewis1953]

Modelism smh help us Lord

[@justicebinion8109]

Damon problem is that you go to seminary to learn all this stuff is. You don’t sounds smart, you sound confusing

[@tomgeorge9025]

Rom1:3 Concerning His Son born from the seed of David according to the flesh. Gal 4:4 Son born of a woman born under law. 2Corth 5:19 God was in Christ Jesus. 2Tim 2:5 One God and one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus. The Father in Christ Jesus do the work and His name in Him,

[@kenfollowyeshuacrawford4284]

Hebrews 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

[@kenfollowyeshuacrawford4284]

John 3:13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, [that is,] the Son of Man who is in heaven.

[@tomgeorge9025]

Gal 3:8. The gospel was preached to Abraham . John 8: Abraham was glad to see My day. All the prophts wrote about the Christ,, but not one of them said that he is the second person of three persons,, Promise to David from your seed the Messiah would seat on the throne, Jesus said it is the Father in me that do the work

[@davidgreen8574]

The error which trinitarians and binitarians make, is to read the following into Jn 1:1 'In the beginning was the word (person) and the word (person) was with God (person) and the word (person) was God. Hence the conclusion is a person being with a person, on the basis that the word is a 'he' and being with God makes God another 'he'. This is a wrong interpretation of the verse. The verse is presenting Jesus as both the thinker and the thought. The ha logos BY NATURE is only a thought, but by identity that thought or the ha logos, is also the thinker. So as the word or the thought, before being made flesh or coming into being as flesh, existed with the Father, only as a thought and not as another person.

[@jcarnegie5772]

No Jesus is not a thought he is the eternal Son of God. The Father sent the Son, the Son shed his blood for the remission of sins and after the Son prayed to the Father to send another Comforter.

[@unwmk]

I need to speak with u son...I feel your zeal for God; however, you've erred not knowing the scrpitures. The trinity is a lie man. There's no three persons working together. I would love to have a sincere dispute with you about the word. This is not just an open debate I call for, but to contend for the faith and proclaim the truth of the gospel of God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father. Please reach out to me when you have the time. Thank you and may God bless you.

[@jcarnegie5772]

The trinity is not a lie modalism is heresy and has been rejected throughout church history. Why do you think modalism has been rejected throughout church history. Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God and it was the Son who died on the cross not the Father. What about that cant you clearly see.

[@BooCuzz]

My man Cameron feeling hurt.

[@RichiePGD]

The trinitarians view of John 1:1 only holds weight if the Logos is a person. Wisdom was with(par auto, LXX) God from the Beginning Prov. 8 Also, Paul ALONE fulfilled the scripture of the mouth of two or three witnesses (2 Cor. 13:1). So it is possible for one person to fulfill the scripture of 2 or 3 witnesses.

[@lxfj2128]

It is heresy

[@davidgreen8574]

The following video is for Mr. Richardson, and he may respond to the contents of the same, if he will. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZqlgoOJq9Ktlbc

[@icandoit9975]

Ok so let me get this straight..long before anything existed there was 3 persons that made up God. So at what point did one say hey you be the son and I'll be the dad and you be ummmm the holy Spirit..That's just nonsense

[@user-yh3cy8tj1d]

Read Hebrews 1.

[@icandoit9975]

@@user-yh3cy8tj1d ok was that supposed to prove a Trinity?

[@icandoit9975]

The host and the fellow in the red are definitely in on this together. I felt they were very rude to the guy on the bottom. I wouldn't mind debating a trinitarian, so that doctrine can finally be thrown away.

[@setapart3452]

What is shocking is that yall did not use any of the scriptures from the prophets.

[@setapart3452]

Damon was given time to speak but when Cameron started to speak Damon kept on interrupting and even getting upset. Cameron was far more relax and calmer which got under Damon's skin. Got to learn to control yourself Damon. Please use the book of prophecies and show us where any of the prophets spoke of a Triune/ Trinity God. All that learning but can't come to the knowledge of God.

[@dgreenja]

Greetings. Trinitarians will seemingly establish monotheism from the OT, but appeals to the seeming plural verses to define the one God in the OT, instead of using the OT singulars to define God, and interprete the seeming plurals in light of the singular verses which clearly define God as one in the solitary one.

[@Mooseouma]

Cameron is right only that he doesn't quote enough scriptures and doesn't explain them as much as the other guy. Trinity is wrong theology with no biblical basis, it has its foundation from satan. Malachi 3:1 should quickly solve this simple understanding- that the Father/Son/Holy spirit are different authorities of the same person (Jesus). Thats why all deity dwells in Him. Jesus before His ascension, explained the relationship btween the 3 authorities in a manner that plainly defeats trinity- He told the disciples that He must go for the Holy spirit to come, if He didn't go, the HS wont come. He also told them that the HS was already there with them but if He goes, the HS will come in them. IOW, Jesus was saying He must go and come back to them in a different form. He also told them that Himself and the Father will come into them and make their home- this means the Father n the som come in them as the HS. Dont argue with me.