Debating the Atheist - Sayed Mohammad Baqer Qazwini & Dr. Rabbie Hanna

Recorded at the Islamic Institute of America

[@alimirza8083]

Masha'Allah very good points put forth.. Jazak'Allah

[@houria685]

I’d love to hear the questions as well! Thanks for this amazing discussion though!

[@TheMozzy70]

MashAllah - thoroughly enjoyed it. Especially 1% chance of randomly coming into existence of Universe was the best explanation.

[@natureisbeautifulpleasesub3178]

Salaam, ya Syed.

[@glorytoallah2587]

Masha Allah amazing explanation, take the knowledge only from Ahlu Albayt

[@soothing4842]

Excellent debate. Very Great personality (syed muhammad baqir qazwani). Where does molana lives? Which country they are delivering this lecture?

[@tupresgangtv9721]

allahuma sali ala muhammad wa'ali muhammad

[@zond7290]

“Science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.” -Albert Einstein “Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain Who put the planets in motion.” -Isaac Newton “If the case is as you (atheists) stated while it is not so, then all of us will be rescued. But if the case is as we (theists) stated, then we will be rescued but you will not.” -Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (a.s.)

[@hingerm6047]

Thank you. Could you please change the title to "debating atheism"? It would be better

[@orlandobanto5781]

Mashllah

[@habibehalikhan6961]

This was a very interesting lecture, and I have also heard a few others, from Maulana Baquer Qazwini. Mostly, the contents of these various lectures, have built upon my knowledge already gained from Shia Islamic books and from the hundreds of lectures I have heard. However, in this particular lecture, I heard something for the first time, and it was not ever mentioned before anytime or anywhere else. I also googled and didn't find anything on my go to source for Shias, i.e. Al-Islam.org. Nor for that matter any other Islamic source, either Sunni or Shia. What I am referring to, is what the Maulana said, about Allah will create after us a "genderless" people. Never ever heard this before, and it was a bit strange and disturbing, to hear it. But also not so weird, given the fact that the people in power, are constantly promoting this idea, the blurring of genders. But they are not exactly on the same page as those who follow the Quran. So as far as my reasoning goes, this is an unbelievable thing. If you look at the smallest building block in the universe, the atom, it too is composed of two opposites, positive and negative. We are as far as we know, the only intelligent life in all of the universe. The Quran has guided us therefore, in a very reasonable way. And the Quran is very clear about the two genders, and is very clear about homosexuality, as are all other religions, of the East and West. On Al-Islam.org, I actually came across this passage and it has to do with the end times, and how the world, and people would be at the time. There are some signs to look out for. Some of these are already apparent. This passage refutes the idea of genderless beings. God surely, will not create something which He clearly rejected in His system. It makes zero sense, that the next time He creates (and I have no problem believing that), that He would create something which was not part of His own perfect system, and the fact that he even pointed out what is sinful in this system. The blurring of genders is not Islamic in this system. So how can one possibly conceive of a new system, where it becomes right? Not rational. Here's the passage from Al-Islam.org "A man in the gathering asked, “When would your Qaim (a.s.) reappear?” The Holy Imam (a.s.) in reply to this question related the signs of reappearance saying, “A time when men shall resemble women. When women shall be in saddles and men shall omit prayers and follow the base desires and take usury and consider spilling of human blood easy and deal with usury and openly commit fornication and construct high-rises and consider lying permissible and accept bribery and follow sensual desires and sell religion in exchange of material benefits and dissociate from relatives and consider forbearance as weakness and oppression as pride. “The rulers shall be sinners, the administrators, liars, the trustees, misappropriators and friends and helpers shall be oppressors. Reciters of Quran shall be sinners. Oppression would be open and divorces common and sins would be committed openly and false testimonies would be accepted, wine would be imbibed and man shall mount upon man and women shall be needless of men and public funds would be considered spoils of war, alms would be considered a monetary loss. They would be afraid of the tongue of the evil people."

[@IslamicInstituteofAmerica]

Salam Alaikom, Aren’t angels genderless? Angels are neither male or female. They are pure creations who worship God. The Hadith of Imam al-Baqer (a) states that Allah will renew this world and he will create a genderless creation to worship Him. Here’s the text of the Hadith: الخصال: أبي، عن سعد، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن محبوب، عن عمرو بن شمر، عن جابر بن يزيد قال: سألت أبا جعفر عليه السلام عن قول الله عز وجل " أفعيينا بالخلق الأول بل هم في لبس من خلق جديد " فقال: يا جابر تأويل ذلك أن الله عز وجل إذا أفنى هذا الخلق وهذا العالم وأسكن أهل الجنة الجنة وأهل النار النار جدد الله عز وجل عالما غير هذا العالم، وجدد خلق من غير فحولة ولا إناث يعبدونه ويوحدونه، و خلق لهم أرضا غير هذه الأرض تحملهم، وسماء غير هذه السماء تظلهم، لعلك ترى أن الله عز وجل إنما خلق هذا العالم الواحد وترى أن الله عز وجل لم يخلق بشرا غيركم؟ بلى والله لقد خلق الله تبارك وتعالى ألف ألف عالم وألف ألف آدم أنت في آخر تلك العوالم وأولئك الآدميين

[@islamicbeliever1179]

@@IslamicInstituteofAmerica why does it say umar bin shimr? And yazid ibn something? Are these isnads wrong, or weak?

[@Fatima_313_14]

@@islamicbeliever1179 There was not only one person named as Yazid or Shimr or Umar etc.

[@whyiamashia9497]

You can say the rain made everything wet but you cannot say what made rain wet so you can say that God (Allah) created everything but you cannot say what created God (Allah) this is a better answer to atheist.

[@YaaALI313]

In which ayat can I find allah created us to have mercy upon us please answer me

[@z34567vgh]

Except those on whom your Lord has Mercy; and for that (mercy) did He create them. And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled: ‘Certainly I will fill Hell with jinn and the mankind together’. 11 : 119 إِلَّا مَنْ رَحِمَ رَبُّكَ ۚ وَلِذَٰلِكَ خَلَقَهُمْ ۗ وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَةُ رَبِّكَ لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ

[@corpsefoot758]

@@z34567vgh Thank you for leaving the reference here

[@orlandobanto5781]

Yarhamuka ya uzatadz

[@zuneraali8925]

Please give the reference to the ayat of Quran mentioned at 55:00

[@z34567vgh]

Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were joined together before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing? Will they not then believe? 21:30 أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ سورة الانبياء آية ٣٠

[@zuneraali8925]

@@z34567vgh thank you

[@ArChi285]

SYSTEM is the key

[@orlandobanto5781]

Allahu Akbar wakabbir.hu takbira Innallahu latifan khabira allahumma sali ala muhamd wa Ali muhamd wajjil farzahom

[@Rico-Suave_]

It’s non-intuitive to understand that all this complexity is just natural and no intervention of any being is required, it’s much much simpler and easier for humans to believe that some being did it magically, especially when we are indoctrinated to believe from a very early age by our parents, teachers, leaders, elders practically everyone. And if we don’t conform to our parents religions then we can be shunned, disowned and possibly harmed. originally from Karachi Pakistan and Teer Haripur Hazaara, now ex-Muslim Atheist . When people talk about reconciling science and religion, that is only an issue with people who have preconceived ideas, but scientists cannot/should-not have preconceived ideas they must believe the evidence. All scientific models must conform to NATURE or REALITY, If there is any tiny evidence for some unnatural forces then they must include that in their paper and account for it. originally from Karachi Pakistan and Teer Haripur Hazaara, now ex-Muslim Atheist .

[@zuneraali8925]

Why the creator must be outside of time and space?

[@corpsefoot758]

Because he would otherwise be constrained by those dimensions, and constraints would mean he is not a god. In other words, if you asked God the specifics of precisely when or where he exists, then there would logically be times and places where it is implied he does not exist. And those insufficiencies would prove God has the weakness of nonexistence, which is a direct contradiction to his self-declared claim of Omnipresence.

[@zuneraali8925]

@@corpsefoot758 alright valid ✨💯

[@Faithhhh110]

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[@HiHi-ek1dd]

@@zuneraali8925 Plus, if you listen to the Imam Tafsir of Tawheed, then it gives answers.

[@Rico-Suave_]

please Muslims/everyone-else educate yourself in the sciences especially Cosmology Evolutionary Biology, Geology and earth and human history and religious studies, this will help you understand that your upbringing was an indoctrination and all religions are myths, originally from Karachi Pakistan and Teer Haripur Hazaara, now ex-Muslim Atheist , Many people who convert to Islam or revert back to Christianity is because religious organizations provide a sense of community, comradely, fellowship and a sense of belonging. These powerful emotional needs are fulfilled, even if religions are not historically and scientifically accurate or just myths. "ignorance is a bliss" Matrix-quote.

[@Rico-Suave_]

A scholar in any religion is the same as a scholar in Zues or Odin or any other myth. Choosing to major in theology or becoming in scholar in religion is like marrying your kidnapper, because you are becoming an expert in myths you were brainwashed in as an innocent child. originally from Karachi Pakistan and Teer Haripur Hazaara, now ex-Muslim Atheist,

[@Rico-Suave_]

I don’t see any evidence for anything un-natural, therefore I am not convinced that there is anything unnatural or supernatural like magic, ‘jadoo’, spirits, ghost, ‘jins’, ‘rooh’ and gods . originally from Karachi Pakistan and Teer Haripur Hazaara, now ex-Muslim Atheist ,

[@principlemethods5281]

Why staged? Why not real debate?