Deborah Ann Woll Teaches Jon Bernthal Dungeons and Dragons

[@PedroFPardo]

-"But is the goal to win?" -"No." -"What's the goal?" -"To tell a great story." Deborah Ann Woll just taught me Dungeons & Dragons.

[@mr.e3010]

Yeah, that was the moment that made me admire her. I've been playing for 30 years, and while I wouldn't say the goal is to "win" I would say the goal is to do well. The idea that the goal is to tell "a great story" is eye-opening and wonderful to me, even as an old grump.

[@michaelkelley7826]

My favorite memories of dnd when inplayed was never when my friends and i finished a campaign. Always the shenanigans that happen along the way

[@CBDuRietz]

@@mr.e3010 You should try out "Fiasco". In short, the goal is to fail, but fail in a spectacular way. It's always one-shots, so you'd never have to care about your character improving for the next session.

[@castille2]

One of my favorite campaigns ever was when we were the villains, and the heroes/cities were organizing against us.

[@96Logan]

It's so simple, but I've played for a decade and sometimes I lose sight of it. You can get really into crunching numbers, maximizing character builds, even planning out backstories that you forget it's truly about getting together with some friends and playing make believe as adults with rules. Embrace the story and what is thrown at you, both players and Dungeon Masters/Game Masters/Narrators.

[@maxwelldavidson4157]

"Sir Bernthal, you can't just kill these goblins, they've surrendered!" "Man, let me ask you somethin'-"

[@FireKnight96]

😂

[@drydesert052]

sum

[@xvs8675]

oh fuck 😂

[@automaticcreation2271]

Mask u sum Deb

[@renanartworks8349]

Absolute Cinema!

[@DanielTr3sD]

The sheer joy in her eyes when she is storytelling is absolutely magical

[@erelpc]

her enthusiasm is infectious.

And Jon completly into and amazed by the things shes saying is so heart warming!

[@mikeweiss8453]

I mean she's good at this but that's also just her eyes 👀

[@ThaFaks]

His face, he's instantly transported into that place, and instantly he's like, wtf isnthe deal with this owl bear, oh shit

[@pamsp]

at 2:07 he instinctively pulls an imaginary bow

[@simonegufoni321]

She is a GREAT storyteller

[@faultycommodity]

Pure fuckin' magic right then and there

[@sharogengaming7716]

The way his eyes light up at 3:30 when he asks "What is the goal, to win?" is amazing.

[@jondspen]

Would you rather meet a woman or an owl bear in the woods?

[@OdjnSIN]

Jon would absolutely crush a one-shot campaign. Asking questions that make long time players go, "oh shit, he's a natural."

[@thienpool]

I'd love to see him at an actual play table with Deborah DM'ing !

[@BlueArsedGibbon]

I thought the same thing. The fact his 1st instinct wasn't to just "slay the monster" is also VERY encouraging to see. Genuinely, not only do I think he'd be amazing I think he'd really enjoy it also. On top of all of that, if he likes spending time with his kids its a perfect way to do it, he could DM a game for his kids and their friends or something. D&D truly, is a wonderful game

[@PGWilson007]

Yeah and when you think about it, this little simplified session must be a lot like a director who explains the scene to the actor and the actor asking information about what is happening and what his character has gone through in his life to better impersonating the reaction of his character. I think it would be a great exercise for actor to play dnd

[@Kasino80]

Bernthal, Cox, Willard with Woll as DM

[@dander2312]

Can you explain the meaning of he's a natural? What natural means?

[@owenleal]

Theres something that makes me very emotional about an open minded and thoughtful person explaining their hobbies to another thoughtful and open minded person.

[@mbg4681]

This is how cultures flourish.

[@thedudeabides3138]

Get out of my head.

[@bladeshred01]

it's super rare good energy

[@josephhein9497]

It's also very attractive in a potential partner. My green flag-O-meter would be going off like crazy if I went out with someone and they were talking to me so passionately about something they love.

[@DavidMitchell-mx2rg]

Absolutely. When I see Jon and immeadiately get this feeling that he seems like a complete dick, but then when you see him here and in other interviews on how he talks about his family and life, I literally eat my own words because of how down to earth he is and how much of a kind soul he is.

[@whitestoneandy797]

I love that Deborah just immediately put Jon into a simplified game session. That was absolutely such a smart and boss move. It's so easy to over explain D&D. What she did immediately sloves that problem.

[@BrandonWestfall]

Extremely well played on her part. It put a huge ass grin on my face. You know she's an excellent DM.

[@RvBDopp]

I had a buddy do this one time to a friend. Very similar situation. Walking down a patch and a goblin jumps out with a sword pointed menacingly toward you, what do you do? And it went just like this. That friend joined a game not too long after. I have done this as well from his example and the incredible Deborah Ann Woll does it way more masterfully than I ever could. It's inspiring.

[@mione134]

Agreed! It was the perfect way to explain

[@ttuarmyjag84]

Very impressive!

[@DavidWilliams-nm5jv]

It was perfect. And you saw it just start clicking for Jon. He was almost instantly in it - "holding the bow and looking into the woods..."

[@dropkick79]

With Jon's first question, he is a natural. "How far away?"

[@genghisgalahad8465]

Awesomely tactical! I just want a Punisher in DnD!

[@ChaoticScholarTX]

@@genghisgalahad8465 Barbarian or Ranger? Or Fighter?

[@THEMADDMAXX67]

​@@genghisgalahad8465 not hard. Have a bad guy who hurts children. Every party member turns into the punisher. Even the lawful good will say, let's bring him in, But not in one piece.

[@matthiashavrez]

what was REALLY interesting was his "Do I know what's an Owlbear?" ? Like, he WAS playing D&D ! And without being really taught anything about how it's done. He was his character, and theplayers asked the DM if the character knows what an Owlbear is. This sentence, taken out of context, nobody in the know would have guessed he was in his 20th second of playing. That's so cool. And also a true testament of how masterful Deborah is.

[@Girthquake]

@@matthiashavrez I feel like this is natural for someone who is used to getting into a character for things. He probably has to ask a director a handful of pertinent questions before a scene to engage better, which would translate over well to D&D.

[@stevensmith8313]

Deborah is SUCH a great GM. The way she let the word "crack" hang there for a second was masterful, I could HEAR it. And Jon, as everyone picked up on, is clearly a natural. He was immediately engaged, asking such good questions. Get that man some dice and a character sheet ASAP and let Deborah host the game!

[@joelface]

Agreed! I wanted that to continue. Imagine if she just pulled out a d20 from her pocket and they really dug into the scene?

[@julesschoony812]

The way she asks “Do you want to play D&D?” with so much excitement, gives me so much joy. I don’t even play D&D.

[@Red80008]

Do you want to play D&D?

[@Newtperc]

You totally should. It’s the best game ever

[@tommyblade8093]

​​@@Newtperchow do u play it? it's not an online game right? edit: sry I realized how dumb comment this is after I kept watching 😅

[@Wolta]

@@tommyblade8093 To be fair, there are websites where you can host sessions. I live in Europe and I got friends in NZ and America that I play with using it.

[@davidparkes7741]

​@@Red80008Yes please, lol.

[@ubiquidade]

Jon nailed it when without any preparation, he ASKED if he knew what an owlbear was. Many experienced players don't even do roleplay at this level. He's a natural.

[@LunarEclipsism1]

I mean, he is a professional actor, after all. He's asking the writer/director for clarifications about his character's given circumstances, something he does at work every day.

[@garethjones2447]

The potential for story telling with actors like Jon at a DnD table is HUGE

[@jollyrogers408]

I was just going to write this and then scrolled to see if someone commented on it. It was exactly what I asked the first time I ran up against goblins.

[@dajtoad1]

@@LunarEclipsism1 An actor would not generally have to ask. It would be in the script, and he would also know what his actions were going to be.

[@eastvandb]

@@dajtoad1 Actually, good actors ask questions like this all the time. And not everything is in the script. Actors will invariably come up with questions the writers didn't think of. (Good, creative actors, anyway.) Yes, the script might say he talks to the Owlbear, but the actor's still going to ask if he knows what he's doing, or if he's scared of the Owlbear, or any number of othr questions (even if only to himself).

[@shoddyseven6194]

dude is a natural. He immediately asked all the right questions.

[@robmartin9782]

The way Deborah explained D&D to Jon was super smart and captivating. She's a great DM.

[@nelsikegaming]

💯💯💯

[@JeffKelly03]

No doubt. I've never played D&D but the way she explained it I was like, "Oh, I totally get why so many performers are into this, it's basically just improv acting and storytelling."

[@robmartin9782]

@@JeffKelly03 Absolutely. Those are the heart and core of it. If you're interested in watching good D&D sessions I'd recommend checking out the content of "Critical Role" , here on YT or Twitch. I think it doesn't get better than what the guys are doing there, when it comes to playing pen & paper rpgs.

[@kingleech16]

@@JeffKelly03 And dice for the Dice Throne!! 😁

[@MrCoolcatJr]

@@JeffKelly03 Even non-performers are heavily into it 🙂 (Because we can't all be actors, voice-overs, stand-up comedians and the like). The good thing about it, is that you don't have to do a performance; you simply describe what you want to do instead of acting it out. It's what you feel the most comfortable with.

[@Fledermausmann]

Can immediately tell what a great dungeon master Deb is. She had Jon captivated within seconds. Frankly, I think the audience would be keen to hear an entire campaign.

[@simonegufoni321]

Yes I am

[@neylax7885]

Her Relics and Rareties campaign is on youtube :)

[@basebassguy]

FRANK(Castle)ly?

[@garethjones2447]

It has huge potential, them being actors and being able to create their own character they want to play could be super interesting

[@heftyfunseeker9987]

Yes please!!!

[@KronnangDunn]

That's probably the fastest, yet most clear and accurate depiction of D&D I have ever heard...

[@intothezombieapocalypse]

The look on Jon's face when he is visualizing an Owlbear coming towards him is priceless. It's actors like that that need to be hired to play characters in a serious Dungeons and Dragons film series.

[@elvinvillamor472]

Goddamn I want to see this.

[@jmcnuggets7302]

We already had a good D&D movie! Sequel can feature new characters with Jon and Deborah!

[@intothezombieapocalypse]

@@jmcnuggets7302 nah. Thats a goofy movie. I want a serious movie thats more alike to The 13th Warrior than slapstick cheese where everyone is dumb except for the Paladin... who was literally just a walking joke.

[@XpVersusVista]

​@@jmcnuggets7302it was an ok movie, but it was faaaar from great. It was the fast and furious of fantasy. Light entertainment, but nothing thought provoking.

[@pedroalmeida1456]

@@XpVersusVista that is why the movie seems so much like an actual D&D adventure

[@krisgarcia7847]

Jon was captivated so fast 😁

[@Neurodivergent-j1f]

Not that I would pay Premium money to see Jon play a D&D session…..but I would!!

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

Shes a really good teacher/guide. Jon should do it. His eyes lit up like a kid.

[@grantpowell4135]

I was hooked from moment she started her speech

[@nuxx.a9251]

@@Neurodivergent-j1f Jon Bernthal Critical Role one shot ???

[@Kaykath-yd1ss]

We all were captivated i bet

[@TheDrexxus]

What I really love about this is that Jon seems genuinely interested. Not asking questions just to move things along or because it's expected or to be polite, but genuinely curious.

[@fusionaddict]

I demand Deborah run a game for Jon, Charlie, Vincent, Elden & Rosario. This must happen.

[@WiCharizard]

I would watch this for sure.

[@DerArvel]

@@WiCharizardthere‘s already one with Charlie from years ago

[@Rezan01]

Rosario Playing!!!

[@roncarter8079]

I would for sure watch that!

[@jackcogswell7800]

Vincent in D&D would be too powerful

[@matthiashavrez]

Deborah just dming with about 3 seconds notice is amazing. What made me laugh out loud of happiness was Jon being like "So do I know what's an Owlbear ?", and wanting to continue the scene when Deborah was like "So that's what D&D is. Oh you wanna continue ? You'd make a History check ..." So wholesome to see Jon being so invested in about 3 seconds also, while he felt like he was skeptical of the whole thing not a minute before. That's cool man.

[@sfreemanoh]

Jon's just a DnD nerd who doesn't realize it yet. Deborah's going to get him there though I think.

[@IcarusATB]

I think it's probably easy for him to slip into RPing, though he doesn't call it that-he calls it acting. He just falls right into it, like he was improv acting without a script. He's just playing a role like he would in a movie or something, and asking the director what his next line is. (Deborah being the director.) ... at least, that's how it kinda looks to me.

[@96Logan]

​@@IcarusATB I did small theater productions as a kid through teenage years and found DnD in college. The two blend very well.

[@Helldog6]

@@96Logan I was gonna say, Matt Mercer and Joe Mango (idk his name or how to spell it) have an entire group of actors playing D&D. Big Show, Vince Vaugn, James Gunn, etc. There's gotta be some huge overlapping traits for both of them lol

[@96Logan]

@@Helldog6 Yeah, I heard about that! I think it's awesome and a great way to sharpen your acting. It's way more fun than improv drills. Tabletop Role-playing Games are awesome for so many different types of people. You don't have to be an actor or have done theater to enjoy your own style of role-playing.

[@timcrawford6555]

40 yrs of DnD and Im still gaming with my friends from 40yr ago. Were all old and grand parents and still together

[@kingxavierlovely]

"what do you mean history check?" Caught. He's hooked. She's a great DM, no wonder she gets paid for it sheeesh.

[@ziggygunz2447]

Exactly! That's why I'd love to play with these two specifically after this interaction lol

[@diddyjohn6872]

You can see on Jon's face how much he respects Deborah and is enthralled by what she's saying. A testament to their friendship and the kind of people they are. Someone get Jon on a live play

[@Elwaves2925]

Indeed. She pulled him in straight away and made him think, which intrigued him more. She could have easily gone the usual route of overexplaining the stats, the die rolls etc and bored him within a minute, but she didn't.

[@gerry54]

I think it's 100% because she talks about it with such passion that it's impossible not to be engaged. The level of passion she clearly has for Dungeons and Dragons is rarely never appreciated!

[@murphieslaw6932]

Agreed - also I would die to see Jon play in a campaign. Don´t know, I see him in the role of some lower-class folk hero, maybe a ranger for example. Seeing how he reacted here, and given his special charisma, I think this could be hella entertaining. And Deborah looks to me like a very passionate and cool DM. Man, I´d pay to see that ^^

[@flippinkamikaze8738]

@@gerry54 If you watch the entirety of the interview, she's talking about some really heavy stuff about her professional and younger life. But here, in the section where Jon gives her space to talk about the thing she loves, you can see how she lights up... and simultaneously shies away at the end. "I love it... and I will do it until I die." She can't even look at him as she says it, like she's already prepared for Jon's face to say something disparaging or dismissive. And Jon gives her the best thing he as an interviewer, as a peer, and clearly, as a friend can: "Fuck yeah, dude."

[@lostinalbion4223]

Deborah is just the best ambassador for tabletop role-playing games.

[@David_Blake91]

You can genuinely see THAT glint in Jon's eye, when he just GOT IT what this game actually is! Props to Deborah too, to explain it really well, but man, after this I really want to see him play in a game!

[@Pixelists]

Yes! It was so fun seeing it "click" for him. I love seeing someone discover the magic of D&D.

[@lorissawtf]

Damn! As a 15 year vet of D&D, I was amazed at how quickly Jon was asking the right questions. He has the instincts of a great D&D player. DAW is a treasure to the TTRPG world, what an amazing teacher.

[@billyrigby4839]

She is a queen for sure. Her love of the game and how she is so fearless as a DM is inspiring.

[@jacobbeaumont1529]

Seriously lmao. Immediately asking questions that would give checks instead of videogaming it and shooting the bow at the first second

[@MisterMacky]

Seriously, I have players in my campaign that started last year who still haven’t learned to ask the right questions😅😂

[@yoki_isthename9456]

Massive credit to Deborah, too. She really made it super simple for Jon to understand the game by giving a very detailed, yet easy story he can run with.

[@DevinJHiggins]

@@yoki_isthename9456 You can tell they have history because all she had to do was look at Jon and immediately put him in a situation that fits who he is as a person. Talk about perception checks. She natural 20'd that like a BAMF.

[@KELPC]

It’s the way she transforms Jon’s reaction to instant wonder when she teleports him to this small scenario. Then she pulls him back to reality and THEN starts explaining the game

[@tomcascaddan8319]

I've been playing D&D for 41 years, running games as a DM for most of that and this is hands down the best method I've ever seen to show someone how to play D&D.

[@BLACKSMITH85]

I agree. I never got into it unfortunately, because my friends from back than overcomplicated it for my little brain so much. And Deborah just showed me in 5 minutes what I've been missing. :D

[@fzyk3907]

I absolutely think this simple explanation will change how many people play the game. She gave DMs everywhere a simple tool to bring the curious in. Also inspired many a wannabe DM like me!

[@mojoschmee9320]

Same. And when she said, "Like literally, you want to play DnD right now?" my head just kind of tilted to the side like, huh.

[@Rogan205]

@@tomcascaddan8319 Have you GM in the Far Realm?

[@petegiant]

I have to disagree, she roleplays for him then she actively stops him roleplaying.

[@FabienMariauxdeSerres]

Two things: 1. Deborah Ann Woll's description of the game had me in tears. At its peak, a role-playing game is soul-consuming and enchanting. I'm so fortunate to have found friends I play with regularly. 2. I love Jon's childlike look when Deborah throws him in the middle of the forest and asks him what he does next. I wish this is not the last time Jon gets to play. I also wish to see him play at her table. in my eyes, both of you are cool. Strange cool.

[@TennesseeMule]

How cool would it be if he joined Joe Manganiello's game? I think he would fit in so well with that group.

[@kraknjaws3882]

Best kind of cool

[@bobbyleeacn]

Jon's look of bewilderment every time Deb explains something or asks him a D&D question had me dying hahah

[@cynthiaoliveras]

He looked like he was ready to do a full campaign

[@eps3154]

I've always loved her, now I'm in love with her!! Hope Jon starts playing. As a classically trained theater person, he'd take to it like a fish to water. Love that more actors and professionals in Hollywood are discovering the magic that is DND ❤

[@M4ruta]

I love how overjoyed she looks while throwing this impromptu D&D session. True passion.

[@TennesseeMule]

That's what makes John a real one. He doesn't just jump straight to. "That's stupid. That's for nerds". He sees how passionate she is about it and that lights him up. I don't think she like sold him on it. Like he's not going to join a campaign tomorrow. But he kinda just loved hearing her talk about something she loved. That's so cool.

[@surgeyou123]

I mean acting is inherently the same. It's all about building a character and using your imagination to fill in the gaps.

[@TennesseeMule]

@@surgeyou123 Sure, but you still have to be down for the mechanical aspects of the game too. That wouldn't necessarily be for everyone, even if you are an inherently creative and artistic person. You could kinda hear it in the questions: "Why wouldn't you just make yourself great at everything." I think if she started deep diving into how you roll your stats during character creation, etc., instead of putting it in the perspective of "flaws are interesting" she would have lost him in a second lol

[@LeMayJoseph]

@@TennesseeMuledepends on the game. There are plenty where the mechanics get out of the way.

[@jpobi9880]

​@@TennesseeMuleshe could have just said that the "stat points are limited" which, tbh they usually are with most methods of stat picking

[@Luke101]

Idk man he seemed pretty sold immediately. He was asking all the right questions and even acted out the motions of his character. He was IN the scene within 30 seconds. Asking if his character has encountered that creature before is so clever, I certainly wouldn’t have gone there first

[@gabemorris6692]

She absolutely crushed this with zero hesitation.

[@dzonatann]

PLEASE SOMEBODY MAKE A D&D ONE SHOT CAMPAIGN WITH BOTH OF THEM INCLUDED WE ALL NEED IT.

[@dngjr]

This is hands-down the best explanation and demo of D&D I've ever seen. Holy shit, hats off to Deborah.

[@zohaabashraf]

Made me wanna buy the game and play with my kids.

[@Eggsecuter]

@@zohaabashrafguarantee there are ways to avoid spending cash with free modules online. Print em out some character sheets, maybe the only thing you would need to buy are dice. I recommend watching Matt Colville’s running the game series.

[@jonschlinkert]

@@zohaabashraf Same!!

[@smallscalestudio7520]

@@zohaabashraf you can find the rulebook online for free

[@mbg4681]

@@zohaabashraf You can, but there are plenty of great free TTRPG-Table-Top Roleplaying Games, of which D&D is just one-out there. And RPGs are great for kids!

[@MrDavidKord]

The way she said "It's the greatest game ever created," exactly the same way I do. I love this woman.

[@MultiSapMan]

I love how open John was to the idea of trying it out and he seemed genuinely curious and interested to explore something he had no idea about. Such a cool interaction.

[@gemodemplay415]

She has this way of speaking, almost magical, that made me stay throughout the video. I clicked the video and never left. This is her gift I feel like.

[@Mebschmidty]

It was 8 minutes. Calm down. While I'll agree with you, it wasn't hard to watch the video.

[@Chartered_idiot]

​@@MebschmidtyBuddy it's really sad but the attention span people like us have this days, 8 minutes is a full movie

[@theflash87650]

a good voice is one of the most powerful things ever. man or woman. just watching people listen intently to you when they can walk away easily is amazing.

[@afonsosnow]

Me, as a non native english speaker, I'll tell you one thing: she has one of the most beautiful ways of speaking. Her diction is so perfectly good and clear that I can understand every word she says. And she does have a captivating aura, so to speak.

[@sonablom]

@@Mebschmidty I don’t know, man I’ve been under a lot of stress lately and find it really hard to focus. I’ve even been watching three minute videos on 2x speed like OK hurry up get to the point, but I agree with OP. When she started “your in a forest and this is happening” I was locked in. And to be honest, that’s from someone who hasn’t found her super compelling in daredevil.

[@kwith]

"I'll play it until I die" I couldn't agree more Deborah! Been playing since I was 17 and I'll be 80+ years old in a nursing home and playing every week for as long as I'm able. If the staff wants to join then absolutely they can and anyone who wants to play is welcome at my table.

[@evanbeinstein5102]

Hell yeah

[@3327Tbird83ii]

Uff... I can barely handle six people... Maybe separate games...

[@riculfriculfson7243]

In my mid fifties now. Got into it 'late' (mid 1980's). Roll until I can't, and then hope I can find someone who can for me.

[@KaiHouston-m6j]

I tried to form a group in retirement homes, two diff. it was 50/50.

[@gooblord9006]

I had NO IDEA Jon Bernthal had a pod cast. I've loved him in every movie (and video game) i've seen him in but had no idea he did a podcast

[@Fybre0ptix]

His mind being blown when he takes his hat off, and when he asks what the point of the game is and she says to "tell a great story" that expression right there is magical. When he mirrors "to tell a great story," and the nod. My god, the nod! You can see his interest, his wonder at how he missed out on this game his whole life. Best interview moment I have ever seen right there.

[@Rengah]

Hearing her talk and sharing her vulnerable moments, instantly made me think of her as the coolest person there.

[@joshtiscareno1312]

I wouldn't call her cool in the traditional sense. I'd say she's "adorkable"... that combination of being both dorky and supremely likeable. She's always got a sort of awkwardness and that's a HUGE part of her charm. It makes her characters feel real and down to earth in a way that most actresses can't touch. She also just radiates "niceness", and that's a rare quantity in Hollywood where ego reigns supreme.

[@jorgeramirez5606]

her smile at 1:02 as the cogs are turning in her head. She's in her element, and expertly introduces a newbie into what dnd is about!!!

[@kufitop]

Jon is a storyteller character actor. Who am I, what do I know, what is my past, what are my goals are all good actor stuff. He was just being present and listening, heard "collaborative storytelling" and he was there. What a great interaction. She's wonderful.

[@graeshadow]

Every time she talks about this game I'm floored. The way she gently and easily pulled Jon into a moment right there. There are actors and then there are storytellers, and she is a gifted, gifted storyteller.

[@Ylyrra]

I agree with your points about her being a great storyteller, but watching her Relics & Rarities campaign made me realise just how much the shows she's been on have criminally underutilised her acting talents too.

[@The_fredlund]

This was honestly one of the greatest conversations about dungeons & dragons ever, the way she presented the simplest yet immersive interaction with an understanding of how to approach a new player and Jon just naturally asking "how far away is it?". I think they together could be part of a very captivating session!

[@skeletahltv]

I had no idea she did so much D&D, thats honestly so cool she's great at setting the scene and letting it play out even for someone with no prior experience

[@operative2136]

Yeah Deborah's quite experienced. She even had an actual play show for a while called "Relics and Rarities". She's also been a staunch advocate for the game as well.

[@skeletahltv]

@@operative2136 thats awesome

[@joncarroll2040]

Apparently she's been playing since Joe Manganiello introduced her to the game when they were on True Blood.

[@vialived]

She's been on Critical Role :)

[@StanNotSoSaint]

There was a fascinating moment when she had Kevin Smith as a guest player for her DND session, and she reminded him that he was a writer who came up with some stuff that happened to Deborah's character in Daredevil comics and now she's Game Master who can do stuff to Kevin's DND character. That was really exciting to feel.

[@sitbtitw]

Could we get a real ones D&D show?! could be dope.

[@thatHARVguy]

On Relics and Rarities once Charlie Cox realized you're allowed to be silly and fail, he relaxed and started to have fun. It's a great exercise in creative thinking and improv.

[@pretentiousname01]

With how locked in he got, its not out of the question

[@bast713]

Yesssssssss. That would be amazing

[@facetankhank]

I second this, third this and fourth this all at once.

[@captainsparrow622]

I FIFTH THIS!

[@RoloSolis81]

This conversation was terrific! Im hooked!

[@serrelentless]

For literal YEARS i have heard of Dungeons and Dragons, I even googled it a few times through the years, But NEVER did i understand the premise of the game. Until Deborah put it this simply. So its basically what me and my sister played as kids? Seems awesome with the right company.

[@darmakx99]

Yeah, it's basically that! It just has some rules for times when you want to attempt something that has a chance of failing, but essentially it's just friends telling a story about some characters they've created in their imaginations. It can be a story about saving the world from evil, or about traveling to new places and helping the locals with their problems, or uncovering a cosmic mystery, or whatever you can come up with!

[@ericwollaston5654]

Yep. Play time with some rules and guided randomness.

[@drivers99]

Right. If you succeed you feel great and celebrate and if you fail you have a great time because that’s where the story gets interesting. If there’s no chance of failure it’s not interesting. Especially when you don’t know when it will and won’t happen.

[@serrelentless]

@@drivers99 Now that i am curious, What would be the requirements to play this? Like a notebook? a Dice? anything that i don't have spent big money on? Just wanna know entry level requirements.

[@yaya-mk3nn]

@@serrelentlessif you’d be willing to play using a device, roll20 is a good online service! otherwise you’ll need a set of dice and a character sheet for each player. you should probably own a copy of the player’s handbook, and you’ll need someone to DM. if you want to learn to DM, having a copy of the dungeon master’s guide is great, and purchasing a “module” (a pre-made adventure) is a good idea for beginners!

[@LarsJ1977]

I was the Owlbear and I was not squawking! I was telling Jon that I loved him in Punisher!!

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

We just gotta spend some time and understand each other 😂

[@horizonika]

He's the greatest punisher ever

[@milkduds8701-hm7ff]

Lars the Owlbear, the greatest of all time

[@internettevarolanadam]

Bad history check. Never met a druid in his life.

[@johnnychopsocky]

Owlbear and Jon's Punisher have a 'roar-off'. Who wins?

[@Hatmatter]

She is amazing! The video ends on such an introspective note, with her mentioning her introversion, yet she is an excellent communicator and exuding charm.

[@gabelarsen4375]

Wow she's fuckin fantastic! She needs a D&D channel. She pulled me right in, her voice is so warm and inviting too. ❤

[@oOPPHOo]

In case you don't know, she often runs game for shows and special events. I believe WotC has featured her in live games as both a player and a DM to promote new product.She even had her own episodic show, Relics & Rarities, on G&S which is very much in the spirit of what you see here.

[@InkyPetrel]

If you want to see more of Deb's DMing there's a bunch of it on KZbin! She runs a lot of one-shots, and there's also a full campaign which is fantastic called Children of Éarte (yes that's the correct spelling) with a brilliant cast!

[@TpDgreat]

she made her own adventure D&D book titled - Saving the children's menu :)

[@gabelarsen4375]

Awesome thank you guys for the suggestions! I'm definitely going to to look em up.

[@IdriveKITTnyc]

Her own online short campaign is called relics and rarities. Charlie guested on one.

[@gimjyu]

Ok I know nothing about DnD but... She seems like an absolutely awesome dungeon master 🤯

[@David_Blake91]

She is! She has been playing for a long time, DM-ed and played in several streamed games and is one of the consultants for the upcoming new edition of the game!

[@SpySkater1]

She’s one of my favorites to watch. She’s soooo good at it.

[@ridiqulas914]

This was a really crisp breakdown of what D & D is. Anyone who hasn't played the game or doesn't understand it should watch this.

[@DJEzraLive]

I watched this entire interview yesterday, once of the most real conversations I've heard in a long time and I'm a huge fan of Deborah! The courage it takes to be that open about trauma and anxiety is unreal, won't lie, may have shed a tear or two.

[@wh1skeybud]

the look in her eyes and expression when she said “fantastic! you speak to it?” was so wholesome. that was absolute passion coming out of her. i’ve never played and i honestly prob never will but i love seeing anyone passionate about something. seems like she would be so much fun to play with! love how grounded she is as an actress

[@multosakalye]

I've never played D&D before but after Deborah's beautiful interpretation, I want to try it out so badly now. What an amazing person she is. I relate to her introversion so much. Thanks for this, Jon! You're an amazing host.

[@darklorddysart]

Now can we get Jon on a streamed game please. Him playing with friends and Deb running would be the sweetest treat ❤

[@mbtt86]

This is awesome. I never played D&D, I just hear about the game, in 1 minute, with both of them playing"mini" game and her explaining the dynamic of the game, make me more curious about D&D.

[@kalannadae3173]

I’m not super well versed in everything Deborah’s done, but she was a guest on Critical Role, a D&D show (campaign 2, episode 45, called The Stowaway). It’s been cited by numerous CR fans as an excellent bottle episode to show to people new to the game. Free to watch here on KZbin!

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

Do it…follow the call…

[@NimN0ms]

The whole exchange is so wonderful. Deborah does a great job explaining it and Jon does a great job following up and asking questions.

[@WOWMonsterShow]

The first four minutes of this is the best explanation of D&D ever and this is why she's my favorite DM. The look on Jon's face as he understands how this works is so great.

[@josh_lao24]

That was a wonderful interview. Watched the entire conversation yesterday. Deborah's description of what acting is was truly a masterclass in their artform. If you are reading this comment but haven't watched their entire conversation, do yourself a favor and go watch it.

[@farn451]

they're two of my favourite humans. John is super intense and blokey but vulnerable and open and Deborah is just so nice and warm and kind. I like that moment where she sums up that even though they're from different backgrounds, jock and artsy nerd, they both share the same experience of the world in terms of feeling like outsiders. just because you're athletic doesn't automarically mean you're cool and just because you're creative doesn't automatically mean you're cool. a really nice conversation. i tried playing D&D many years ago, i just can't do it.

[@frannylicuous5650]

For anyone who doesn’t know, Deborah is a fantastic dungeon master and storyteller. Search for her show Relics and Rarities and be ready to be amazed. It’s my all time favourite dungeons and dragons series ever ❤

[@JnEricsonx]

Twiggy and the Happy Fun Ball!

[@frannylicuous5650]

@@JnEricsonxOmg! My fellow R&R kindred spirit 🎉 thank you for being here!

[@saskiakramer850]

I love how truly engaged they both are in this conversation. It looked like John's imagination was sparked big time with this small and beautiful dnd introduction. Lovely

[@bkstaxman]

One of my favorite details is when Deborah is explaining a history check and says "this is d&d, you're playing d&d," maybe as a segue out of the scene to wrap it all up nicely, and Jon says about the history check, "ok let's check that," almost as if to say, hey don't end it yet, let's keep playing! It's so amazing seeing Deborah translate the awesomeness of the game so effortlessly and Jon picking it up so naturally.

[@shannonlopez2295]

Jon would be awesome to watch in a D&D campaign with Deborah as DM! I feel like he would thrive.

[@cephquepheas]

One of my favorite interviews to drop on this podcast. Deborah is a true artist when it comes to her craft and I am so glad yall chose to highlight her and allow us the chance to see a glimpse into what it is that she does, whether its acting or Dnd! As a new DnD player myself, seeing just how quickly she came up with this encounter on the spot was fascinating to see. Again, this interview was probably my favorite to date! Love Deborah, Love Jon, and everyone else who works hard to put these interviews out!

[@jacobpaint]

Apart from seeing her in Daredevil I knew nothing about her before seeing this and I feel this short video gave some good insight into who she is (as much as it could). Getting someone like Deborah to explain DND to you is hitting the DND jackpot, she demonstrated how good she is with the basic scene she created and then responding to Jon’s questions with such a depth of knowledge and experience that she could roll with what ever he said and immediately think of how it should all work. She is very natural and seems like a lovely person, I won’t leave the next video I find of her on my watch later list for so long.

[@tylerford5720]

Jon is such an active listener with so much intent in understanding others and seeing him just drop into dnd is just an example of how captivated he gets into his conversations

[@luckybear20]

Deborah is a prescious gift to this world. She's so relatable and easy to listen to. You can feel the passion she has for the things she loves it's great.

[@silvers983]

Man, it's so awesome to see someone who is often THE badass in many of the productions he's in be so open-minded and thoughtful about something that is thought of as so antithetical to the types of roles he often plays.

[@MyCarnageExtreme]

1:55 Jon's face when she is describing the Owlbear is fantastic, shit got real REAL fast 😂

[@MilestonePlay]

7:07 The function of Role Playing Games in social interactions as a shared activity to take the focus off of "you" and onto "this thing we are doing" is invaluable. As a closed offed kid with extreme social anxiety, the stability of having a game was the main way I learned to interact with my peers. Now, as a professional game master, my job is using that same crutch as a means of letting other people connect with strangers is amazing.

[@bank9111]

Two great people just talking about things in life is always such a nice thing to listen to.

[@Pixeleyes]

Jon Bernthal is gonna end up as a hardcore TTRPGer after this, I can see that glint in his eye, I have seen it many times before.

[@totallymojo]

I wanna see him play Delta Green. He would be perfect.

[@corasings5580]

​@totallymojo oh my god he absolutely would be!! Alternate systems don't really get enough love, a Delta Green-esque type game with Jon Bernthal would be incredible

[@totallymojo]

@@corasings5580 "Alternate"? You and I live in different worlds I think lol DnD5e and its design philosophy is something I actively stay away from. It's like Fortnite to me. Popular but not necessarily good.

[@VinceValentine]

I want to see him play Call of Cthulhu. He'd be perfect as a tough guy who is used to real-life monsters, then suddenly discovers supernatural horrors and slowly descends into madness.

[@keokiw2353]

aaaaannnnnnndddd We got another one folks. Well done Deborah

[@JawadBhuiyan]

I don't follow Jon and I'm not a dnd fan. But I was just as captivated by that explainer as Jon and liked that he was so respectful and didn't try to mock her for being nerdy. Cool clip!

[@stephenporter101]

I never knew this much about D&D but watching this guy so damn locked in and seeing her doing such an incredibly charismatic job of demonstrating something... wow! Hats off to both, here.

[@HeyitsShaun]

I just started playing Baldur's Gate 3 recently and it was my first serious dive into the D&D world even though I've been surrounded by people that play the game. This interaction is the most inspired I've been to actually seek out a campaign and finally try it out for real. I appreciate Deborah so much for this approach and the way you could just see joy and intrigue spark in both of you. It was beautiful.

[@kasper4976]

Bro this guy is soo nice and genuine wow, i didnt know him that much but he is so kind

[@mmarchani]

Deborah is just like me once I grew up, and Jon is 100% the jock buddies i made as an adult that I was able to introduce to gaming. The joy on his face as he played along? That's a thing most men in our country don't get to experience very often. You both made my heart smile a lot today!

[@Satch_4_Hogs]

D&D is dinner theater where you are the writers, and the actors, and the diners, and the dinner is probably Dominoes and Mt Dew.

[@Undercoverfire]

In my family, pizza, meat snacks, and root beer are the d&d foods

[@thoronthol1175]

You had me at Mt Dew.

[@lorissawtf]

😂😂😂😂

[@hellouthere8800]

That's one of the true joys of playing DnD as an adult, you can upgrade the food to some pretty excellent fare. Several folks in my groups enjoy cooking, including me, so we get to have all sorts of amazing food. We've even come up with food based on what we were doing at the time, in game.

[@tomireland3644]

So knowledgable and so passionate. Heard of Deborah Ann through a short and now want to see everything she's worked on! The excitement and joy about playing, the creativity and going with the flow of Jon's direction even while guiding him in what d&d is. So good 💜💜💜

[@GregPappasJr]

As a long time Dungeon Master, I love her simple explanation of the game and way of getting him to 'play.' Sheer brilliance.

[@gregoryrousseau5155]

Deborah is a real master. As a fellow DM, I respect that little intro to D&D. She makes it look so easy.

[@S7yx0]

The look of amazement and interest Jon gives Deb is heartwarming. You can feel he is a dedicated actor the way he is transported in the story and the character creation aspect.

[@lazyliam7402]

I think the best way you acn explain this to an actor is: the DM is the writer/director and the players are improv actors

[@IcarusATB]

That's *absolutely* it! I was just saying upthread that Deborah's the director, and Jon is just doing what he does naturally, acting and asking the director for his motivation and his next line kind of thing. He doesn't call it RPing, he calls it improv acting!

[@Luke101]

The passion and excitement coming from her is just beautiful. She’s speaking so clearly and with so much enthusiasm, you can tell this is her favorite thing in the world and she made him feel immediately included.

[@MrRudy1987]

This interview is one of the main reasons I suggest to my friend group that we fry DND. My friend, who’d already had the DND guides and manuals volunteered to DM for us one night. It was the most fun I’d had in a long time. After that I was positively INSPIRED to be a DM. So I looked up a one shot adventure, A Potent Brew and as I was setting up (setup was supposed to take maybe an hour or two) I decided to go all out and add other characters, other locations, other side discoverable side quests. I had an amazing time prepping for over 6 hours and an even greater time DM’ing for my squad. After about 2 hours we finished the adventure and my squad couldn’t stop singing my praises, stating how much fun they had. I can’t wait to plan our next adventure. I even spoke to my family about it, they’re all gamers so when I described our A Potent Brew adventure they were hooked. They just made their characters tonight lol

[@RecordofRadio]

as a 14 year old kid, I was rolling dice and playing d&d and Rifts and such, I think 1992 or so. I think it was AD&D 2nd edition, and Rifts had just come out a year or so before. my friends and I would gather at his house, play Sierra games on the PC and then play those games with pen and paper and such for 4 to 6 hours until it was pretty late (I think 10pm was usually when we all called it). And it was the best time of my entire life. As a 46 year old fella I don't really have the time, let alone friends (let alone friends) into that anymore, sadly, so I don't play now, but this clip is just ridiculously awesome to see.

[@SabiJD]

Have you played BG3? Even with little time, you could play it across many months for some engagement in the community.

[@RecordofRadio]

@@SabiJD I own it but that's not the sort of engagement I'm after. I enjoyed D&D in a group of friends, around a table, laughing in person in their space, eating snacks and having a good time together. Nothing else replaces that kind of thing, it's not the same.

[@brandobjj]

YES! this is the best D&D conversation I've ever witnessed.

[@damianlee389]

This video makes me want to hang out with both of them individually OR together. What a great conversation!

[@DoneBrokeDatBack]

She is amazing. I'm so glad she's back for Daredevil: Born Again. She deserves plenty of work.

[@Eternal_Songbird]

It was so awesome to see you IMMEDIATELY get taken into this tiny little peek into the world of Tabletop Role Playing. It really is the perfect tool for actors in the industry, and hope that this glimpse into this world of gaming interests you enough to fully play in some capacity!

[@Mr0mart]

Omg I love both of you more after watching this. Pretty cool to see Jon always so interested and invested on whatever conversation his guest are bringing and Deborah seems like a majestic DM.🎉

[@Jmdeleeuw-]

Jon is in absolute awe. The way Deborah hooked him is incredible.

[@mewgiah8057]

Deborah should seriously run her own D&D podcast. I’ve listened to numerous shows. And this is the first time I’ve been this quickly hooked into a story. I was actually answering her questions in my head. She has a gift for drawing you into the story.

[@Ziaotic]

right here on KZbin, Relics and Rarities

[@kaytoomuchsalt5100]

In addition to Relics and Rarities, she also had a full campaign that wrapped up earlier this year called Children of Éarte! It’s available on KZbin

[@selvmordspilot]

Such a good explanation :) I enjoy how she showed him that he was able to get an intuitive grasp of it really fast.

[@smilerwithagun]

Deborah is a real one... 😍 Would love to see her run a game for Jon, Vin Diesel and Manganiello...

[@genghisgalahad8465]

The Punisher, Groot, and Slade Wilson!

[@JnEricsonx]

2 out of 3 have played with Matt Mercer too.