Debunking Electric Blue Jack Dempsey Fish

[@emelie.stjarnegren1250]

I have an adult ebjd, had him since fry. He is going on his second time being a father, really great dad. These offsprings will be carrying the blue gene, and I plan on breeding the offspring also. He was sick once as a fry himself, noticed just a difference in his eating behaviour and treated him with medicine. but now he is 2 yrs old, big and beautiful. I live in sweden by the way.

[@fake726]

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[@lindsayshelton5345]

Hey there, glad to see your comment. What kind of medicine did you use? I had 3 one died last night and the other 2 have been acting weird as well. Coloring up dark black on the fins, not eating well and hanging out at the bottom. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you

[@Vrektumsvrede]

Tjenare! Svarar på en två år gammal kommentar här. Men hur gick det sen med din EBJD? Beställde två från Imazo som jag precis fått hem. Verkar pigga och friska än så länge, äter bra, lite småsura som mina vanliga dempseys är. Vet inte om detta är ett större problem med amerikanska varianter av EBJD eller inte.

[@maangeh]

Hur gick det för dina vrektumsvrede?

[@moseskongi4746]

mean or shy fish

[@eddiesnyder4354]

This is not always the case. I don't have a ton of experience with electric blues, but I have one now that has never been sick and is far from Sickly. He's a tank bully in a tank with firemouth's, Acaras, and an Oscar.

[@SlaikeProductions]

I've had my electric blue for 3 years now in a 40 gallon tank by himself. I have never had to treat him with medication the water has been hard his entire life. I keep a piece of drift wood in to help a little. He is currently 7 inches and seems to be doing fine. He stays in his hide 80% of the time and I feed him cichlid pellets and once a month do a live feeding. The touchiest part is keeping nitrates down if they get above 50ppm he gets slightly stressed. Keep an eye on his color when he is stressed he gets slightly more pale. Other than that he is my best friend.

[@rikeshpr85]

grow a carpet of marimo algae, that should take of the nitrates.

[@duhgreatnate249]

Just got a little JD for my 40b today. He'll be kept alone too. Is there a specific reason you don't do weekly water changes? I used to keep African cichlids with 50% weekly water changes and noticed they grew much faster when doing so.

[@HumanTank12]

@@duhgreatnate249 did it survive

[@duhgreatnate249]

@@HumanTank12 Yup, it's doing great. Has already grown quite a bit.

[@CustomTele52RI]

If he's been hard his entire life . . . maybe you should add some water softener?

[@djowen23]

I bought 3 & grew them up to 6inches or bigger without any issues. & when I bought them they were a inch & half at the time. They never got sick I had them in in a 55gal. tank for 21/2 years & I wanted to breed them but no luck. So I thought I had all males so then I traded the biggest one for a proven female hybrid & still no luck with breeding them. & after about a year of waiting for them to breed I gave up on my cichlid tank and sold it. But after I sold it I found eggs in one of the Hides I had so now I got a airstone in the glass hide they were in & hoping that the eggs hatch 🤞🏻🙏🏻. & the pair was the EBJD's. So I'm pissed at my self for selling them now🤬! So the moral of the story is never give up , keep the faith! Plus I sold the whole complete set up for $200. Damn it, man! I would show a picture of my eggs I guess you can't show pictures in the comments.

[@moseskongi4746]

I will pay you $205 for the set.

[@pewpewoutlaw6181]

I just got one from a pet store about the size of a penny. They had it in with 2" to 3" oscars and assorted cichlids, and they had it cornered literally trying to kill it. After I told the clerk, he got him into a breeder box. The clerk started scratching his head wondering where he was going to keep him, I told him to bag him up I'll take him. Hopefully it goes well...

[@pittsburghcoinhunting1452]

The first time I brought Electric Blues all six got sick and died I bought 6 more and two survived and ended up living 9 and 10 years. I think they died from age at that point. This time around I started with 10 blujacks and now have three that lived and now are a year-and-a-half. I think it comes down to Only the Strong Survive. They seem to be very sensitive 2 parasites and disease until they hit adulthood. All the best. JOE.

[@Dinglelord]

I go to this aquarium store called tropic isle, and they sell a bunch of baby blue electric blue Jack Dempseys in a very good condition at only 20 dollars, and they all live

[@leonchaney1011]

I just bought 4 of them roughly 2 or 3 weeks ago so far so good they all are showing cool coloration and are pretty active but kinda shy

[@exegesisman]

Hey, Palmer. What kind of fish is the turquoise and black one in the tank behind you?

[@joshb9351]

Looks like a Texas cichlid

[@exegesisman]

@@joshb9351 Thanks!

[@lindsayshelton5345]

I had 3 for about a month now. One died last night. I noticed they keep coloring black on top fin and black marking on them show alot. They are hanging out at bottom of tank and not eating like the other fish. Any ideas are greatly appreciated.

[@nunya3461]

Hmmm so there’s EBJD’s that a essentially pure bred & than there’s others that are more of a hybrid that tends to get sick more? Is that what ur saying? Which shouldn’t be in the hobby? The EBJD or JD’s or the hybrids ur referencing?

[@laneelder406]

Recessive genes don't necessarily make an animal weak. It usually involves a change in color which makes them suseptible to being picked on or hunted by a predator. That is why white deer have shorter life spans. You will have to come up with something more than recessive genes as a excuse for eh they don't live longer. I would say , more like a defective Gene. Anyway just my thoughts on the subject. Love your vids. Keep em going

[@aseamin2529]

Chuchhh! Lol

[@jerml6136]

Add in excessive line breeding and it does. Perfect examples are a lot of lines of Bristlenose: albino, lemon, super reds, snow whites, then even more so if long fin varieties of those. Slower growths, weak fry ect.

[@franknitty299]

I see that this video is 2yrs old., I'm new to your channel... Maybe can you do a update video on this same subject.. I've had my electric blue Jack Dempsey for about a year and a half now...

[@frankiebanta5040]

I had ebjd for about 1 year and a half and one day I found him dead, the water levels were all good in my 125, I bought 3 more now they are about 5 months old I have no idea why these ebjd just die , they are beautiful fish I never medicated them because they never were sick , ????????

[@williamjenkins6607]

I have bought quite a few electric blue Jack Dempsey's I would say maybe 10 and I have one that has made it to adult hood very beautiful fish

[@terrencejones8543]

Never had a problem I’ve raised about 30+(lost count) a couple died here and there but the main thing I do is dive into highly digestible foods (Northfin) (bug bites) then I up the protein when they show some positive growth alternating back and forth and a amazing filter system. Also had a ton more luck with sensitive fish off well water.

[@ericmontoya3447]

There becoming alot easier to manage and take care of. The more EBJD there are with more blood lines. The better. The problem was to much inbreeding. Any living animal that inbreed will have defects. Thats just the way it goes. But now that there are more Electric blue jacks with more bleed lines. There getting better.

[@ericmontoya3447]

@Terrence Jones i apologize bro. I was wanting to comment on. The post. Not respond to your comment. Idk howbi did that.

[@badbatch9048]

Ive had 3 ebjd for about a month now theyre doing great now but i did have them with firemouth cichlids and had to get rid of the firemouth cichlids,now all i have is the 3 ebjd and 5 corydoras....i have a neon yellow corydora

[@mischasjungle4989]

I've been keeping the EBJD for years now and I've learned that the only proper way to keep these guys nice and healthy is to treat it like discus fish, planted tank, 26+ degrees no other territorial fish and always keeping a eye on the poop since they are sensitive to bloating and flagellate I can send you videos of my setup if you want, I've recently started with a new tank there are 4 EBJD in it 2 males and 2 females the tanks

[@thomaspinter8456]

Make a video on it!

[@HumanTank12]

@@thomaspinter8456 he never made it

[@thomaspinter8456]

@@HumanTank12 I've got two ebjds nearing a year old. 5.5 inches and 7.25 inches long, both male Pretty easy to care for

[@HumanTank12]

@@thomaspinter8456 nice how have you found them? A nearby shop has some and I have an empty 64gallon tank to maybe get some

[@thomaspinter8456]

@@HumanTank12 I grew them out If you want to keep a few my recommendation is to cycle the tank with guppies and let them breed a fair bit. Add in the ebjd and they'll eat the guppies when hungry and avoid health issues usually

[@oombaclyde5736]

Great job. May your passion sustain you until your wisdom arrives.

[@ichthyologyguy1195]

Genetically EBs are just not a sound gene pool. They have several traits from taxonomy too just being less cunning in times of eating or fin regeneration. It almost seems at first the rarity of the mutation made for small genepools which makes for lots of inbreeding.

[@JoseRamirez-yd2gz]

Couldn't one mix the gene pool of a regular jack with an ebj and re-breed their fry to get a broader genetic pool?

[@ichthyologyguy1195]

@@JoseRamirez-yd2gz Technically yes. Realistically it would take a long time to get the recessive gene to not only show past dominant but to assure the gene is active enough to come through in the spawns.

[@ReelHardFishing]

Water temp keeps lots of diseases away, I keep my water at 80 to 82, no higher than 84. My cichlids love warm water and disease hate it. Also use good aquarium salt.

[@Ochibason]

Good vid and good topic and yes there is something with them. Am a aquarist myself and have gone through 20 ebjd and lost all except two in 6 months and the two lasted almost two years. Let it rest a few years and will try again. Gonna try line breeding nice blue greens to blue greens and see what happens and will do more research first to see if anyone has done line breeding. Thanks I subscribed. You have any vids on Severums?

[@madaleinedavis1078]

Let me know how to send the pic man, I got you, ebjd my favorite cichlid and I cant have you ragging them. Already dmed a pic on insta. And I can still give selection and raising tips. Just finished video, left first half before finishing tbh, while you may be passionate about ragging on ebjd, im passionate about them and will advocate their value. Yes you should do one internal parasite purge treatment upon getting them. After that you should be able to raise them to adulthood with proper care. These fish aren't what dont belong in the industry, inadequate care is what doesn't belong in the industry

[@madaleinedavis1078]

Didnt wanna edit again. Every ebjd that has dief on a person was alive before going into their care. Someone was raising them from eggs to whenever you got them and getting them alive and in good condition, and doing so when they are at their weakest stage. Ebjd get exponentially hardier with age and by 4 inches are about as hardy as any cichlid. Just something to think about

[@neutronshiva2498]

What medicine to treat parasites on arrival???

[@rikeshpr85]

5:15 that is why you dont put them in a community, they should be the Only cichlid in the tank, therefore no introduced parasites or diseases. However, i did put a portion of my trusted feeder colony of guppies in there so the Jack could eat them.

[@vikkitee4686]

What about the electric blue Acara? Is it the color that kills them or the breed mix because Acara seem to accept the color change

[@chadross2167]

What's size tank are your jags in?

[@cutty852000]

Wouldn't be so bad if they didn't cost $40 and you know they will die on u. What up with those pink jack Dempsey?

[@rikeshpr85]

Naw, most people are just naive fishkeepers. to raise, keep and breed EBJDs you need discus level skills or better. it requires the kind of patience the average keeper doesnt have, this doesnt help because as fishkeepers we are typically impatient lot, myself included sometimes. i managed to score a male and female EBJD. im not pairing them. i have a regular female JD to mate with the male. from that spawn i will collect all the Blue Gene males, and mate those small adolescent males to a large mature female EBJD to prevent death during mating every monthly spawn, then toss the male back in a male colony to keep them dwarved, stunted, to ensure they are physically weaker than the female. ill get a Blue Gene Female from this spawn but that will take time to line breed back to the male EBJD. Hopefully this plan works. lol im always prepared to eat my own words.

[@lindsayshelton5345]

Great video 🔥

[@salinalerma3411]

i Have 6 EBJD got them at about half an inch for 20$ a piece havent had any issues with them at all they are now 2 inches and going strong i have them in a 55g by themselves one is a runt and half the size of the rest and i had to move him to a diff tank because hes getting beat up but the other 5 are doing very good waiting til about 4 inches to add them to my 125g

[@nuckythomson9244]

electric blues are BANGERS!

[@rdhoops1067]

Currently have 6 of them in my 55 gallon. Doing quite well, water changes bi-weekly👍

[@ThePersia450]

Prolly gonna have to upgrade when they're full grown.

[@shawnlehnherr7976]

I dont know if i got lucky but i bought 2 electric blue dempsey and they are now 9 months old and aren't sick i do water changes every other day and the are in a 90 aquarium

[@CichlidsWithAttitude]

Hey check out fishonaquabid here on youtube he is the man wit ebjd ...

[@castrojuan76]

I’ve had one for about 2 1/2 years with no problems; currently around 5”. I can send you a pic or vid if you tell me how to get it to you.

[@pois0n988]

Oh boy this has me nervous I bought one from the pet store and we're going on a week. So far so good. He's in with 2 kribnesis cics, 2 Mumbai cics, and 2 pictus cat fish.

[@promkingtempura5846]

I’ll be back here, to hear his progress !

[@sirmodd6199]

Any updates?

[@pois0n988]

@@sirmodd6199 so far he's still going strong. Beautiful fish

[@Mgeigs]

I just bought two from my local pet store😬

[@drake121is]

How is he doing now?

[@chrisortiz3609]

I also had had an electric blue jack and he lived for 3 years and died from a accidental fall..anyways I also had him by his self only had to medicate 1 time for ick...

[@oneofonekennels907]

I’ve kept many of them. I’ve had grown ones 9-10 inches and I’ve grown them out as well. It is possible. They are very fickle as you say. But you can raise them out. I would agree maybe they shouldn’t be in the industry because most will fail. But it is possible

[@ReelHardFishing]

Do your water change like you're supposed to, check your water parameters, fun do not over feed and make sure filtration isn't rigged to custom unless it works right. BIOLOGICAL FILTRATION IS KEY!

[@georgecoutermarsh6542]

Have 1 for a year and a half now . This is my 14th one though. They have all died early . You just have to find a fish store that gets a good strain I’m guessing because I went on a search to pet stores all over New Jersey. I have finally had success though.

[@nunya3461]

Honestly any EBJD’s I’ve had have died. My JD’s are all healthy & thriving but the smaller of the breed just can’t hack my waters ph.

[@dylanmace1963]

Just got a baby so we will see how it goes.

[@precise3291]

Good info, I had the same issue with these fish too

[@ReelHardFishing]

I've cured basically dead fish with melafix

[@bradleycain4968]

i have one thats about 3 to 4 months old seems to be doing fine so far still a baby tho

[@leonchaney1011]

Thought on putting 4 one inche electric blue Jack Dempsey’s with aferican chiclets

[@kihkyho]

I have had about 6 EBJD. and they indeed kept dying on me one even was even killed by my normal female in a 75-gallon tank he would not fight back at all he was my last and personality-wise for a JD, not the personality I would expect. I stopped buying them

[@SaveOurSaints]

🏆

[@ReelHardFishing]

Melafix fixes everything

[@williamflamm9047]

I know it’s been a while since you filmed this video and what not but I bought an electric blue jack Dempsey in may of 2020 at the latest and I still have it to this day and it’s still very live and will and eats more than any fish I have in the aquarium it’s probably at this time I wanna say 3 or so inches but if you have questions or are interested lmk!!!

[@cullensheehan6933]

Ive had one now for almost a year and it's been pretty good. Hes got the long wispy find and great color and great character, past few days he's just been acting lazy and laying inside his skull house. All clean water good levels. Just don't know what his deal is I really hope he doesn't die

[@cullensheehan6933]

Hell move when there's food but otherwise just chills in his hut barely moving . Other fish join him at night to sleep, but day time there not allowed in, it actually pretty cool the huddle together n sleep. But I am worried about him

[@HumanTank12]

@@cullensheehan6933 did he survive

[@crimsontwins6612]

Why do heavy research, instead of just trying it out for yourself? I just bought two, and they're tough little guys. We'll see what happens.

[@nuckythomson9244]

your lfs might no something you dont about there care, try another shop CPalms! Don't give up!

[@WarehouseGamingHD]

Currently keeping 1 ebjd, had 2 but the first one was slaughtered by a larger fish (got them young) my 2nd and only survivor is doing fine it seems. 55 gal hes around 3 inches, bought him around 2. Seems to be growing slower than expected and seems to be easily effected by environment change and stress... hopefully he survives. Beautiful fish

[@georgehennon6415]

I've had my Electric Blue JD for over a year now. It's a true electric blue, not a regular JD. It's in a 40g breeder by itself and has never been sick. I feed it aqueon cichlid pellets which is a cheap food. I am not a fish store owner and have never needed to use medication on it. It's disappointing that you would have this take on such an amazing fish without even trying to keep it in a tank by itself. It's hard to believe that you're actually surprised about your EBJDs dying when you kept it in a community tank with MUCH large fish than it. You did your research, found out that it's a sensitive fish, and the thought of keeping it by itself or with smaller fish never crossed your mind? I normally like your videos, but your videos on the EBJD makes it seem like you are just trying to drive traffic to your channel by having a controversial opinion.

[@80s_monsterkid28]

Dude you’re weird

[@billzbez6019]

Dammm so you killed all your fish lol

[@matthewchapman1008]

Palmer aquatics I will soon be sending you a video of my electric blue Jack Dempsey that just bread with my regular Jack Dempsey and I will send you a hundred electric blue Jack Dempsey for free if you still want electric blue Jack's

[@kayleed2497]

Are you selling fry??

[@matthewchapman1008]

@@kayleed2497 if your local I'll give some away

[@kayleed2497]

Matthew Chapman probably not local, I’m Arkansas 🙂

[@rockboe3845]

@@matthewchapman1008 please tell me your in San Diego??

[@ericlunger1010]

Alinitys cat

[@Korbert]

LULW

[@matthewchapman1008]

They become healthy fish in the end you just need to start with a large amount you can't buy two three four five of them at a time you have to have someone give you a hundred of themkeep them all healthy find out which ones are healthier than the most in bigger than the most and keep that one for yourself

[@Korbert]

I don't think you understand how recessive color-genes work. It's the same same for humans in eye-color. If a blue-eyed and brown-eyed human gets a baby, it will always be brown-eyed since the brown-eyed gene is dominant to the blue-eyed gene. It does not create a new color of eyes or "hybrid eyes", the baby will simply be brown-eyed. Skin color works different (is not dominant/recessive) and that means if a black and white human get a baby it will likely get a hybrid color. People who sent you pictures of their adult EBJDs, actually have adult EBJDs - regardless if YOU happend to fail with the fish or not. It is however a very sensitive gene due to inbreeding and requires a lot of special treatment from the aquarium owner, especially in their early days. You just seem to act like a baby in this video where you're saying that if YOU can't bring them up to adulthood then others who succeeded must have fake EBJDs. Drop the ego dude, stay humble.

[@jerml6136]

Respectfully, you don’t understand how recessive genes work. If your statement is correct, no one would have blue eyes ;) it’s more complicated than that. Both parents can carry recessive genes without expressing them and have a baby/offspring that express those recessive genes by inheriting a recessive copy from each parent resulting in not carrying the dominant gene at all 🧬 exactly how 2 normal looking Jack Dempseys (EBGD) can produce electric blue Jack Dempseys.

[@bayou504ctcL9]

Dis whol video u said a bunch of nothing I will say this keep them by themselves and u will have no problems