DEBUNKING NEOCON Myth That Disaster Was Avoidable in Afghanistan

[@davianwht5203]

So American soldiers must die for people who don't want to fight for themselves? The hell not!

[@thinkbeforeyoutype4868]

What are you talking about? America spent over 2.6 TRILLION dollars in the Afghanistan war yet American cities don’t even have clean water.

[@Bobo-jy5mg]

Um… isn’t that every single war that has ever been in existent since the beginning of time?

[@sheepnoisebah]

@@Bobo-jy5mg yeah it used to be the elites of your own country who avoided the fighting but now its just average citizens of other countries

[@stephenhunter3993]

You've got to see how we left and realize that this is a disaster for the local people. We could have done this much better and I agree we should not continue to be there and ultimately leave. And this is a failure by the Biden administration to account for the mass human casualties from the US backing out. How is this different from when Obama pulled troops out of Iraq? Terrorists abound and take over. I'm not saying we should stay but we could have left much better.

[@retrojay86]

@@stephenhunter3993 like specifically how? Your nation is incompetent 🤔😐

[@tommays56]

I am just happy my son came home ALIVE and physically intact after his year DEFENDING the Embassy in Kabul and defending is the key word as it was a daily battle to nor get killed by and IED while keeping the staff SAFE Astounding amount of assumptions He is a DSS Agent and will stay stateside for 3 years after this tour and then have to take another high risk assignment

[@haveaday1812]

Sounds like he probably was a POG.

[@Mydogslove2laugh]

I'm happy he came home alive too

[@187BLICKBOY]

@@haveaday1812 savage 😅 but you're not wrong

[@ws8061]

@@haveaday1812 Shut up poser, MSG's can be almost any MOS as long as they qualify and are often 0311's

[@nochepatada]

He helped protect the oil pipeline 👍

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Actually disaster was avoidable. by not invading in the first place :)

[@nowonami2524]

Fake war on terror to begin with. It was a great success actually. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5KymaGBZZaqg7s

[@wilhelmvonvladisnoff6164]

People knew more than 10yrs ago that this was they only way things were gonna end in afghanistan. No one is surprised and people who are surprised are uninformed.

[@Boblib1970]

Then count Joe Biden as one of the uninformed.

[@monitoradiation]

After like 2004/2005 they should've known. By then iirc Bin Laden wasn't even there anymore anyway. There wasn't any reason to be there for the US (on paper, at least)

[@birmingham0613]

@@Boblib1970 Fortunately,that has changed.

[@olliefoxx7165]

The Biden administration had known before he took office a plan needed to be in place to withdraw civilians and military equipment. Had he bother listening to any experts he would have known the Afghan govt wouldn't fight. Blaming Trump is pointless but won't stop the blame shifting.

[@andrewberg8333]

I think you guys should do a segment called “The Quiet Part Out Loud”

[@hallking7441]

It was avoidable 20 years ago by not doing an illegal invasion.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Yup

[@nowonami2524]

Fake war on terror to begin with. It was a great success actually. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5KymaGBZZaqg7s

[@toddgaak422]

@@nowonami2524 Stop posting that crap from Bollyn. He's a well known anti-Semite.

[@americancapitalist9094]

They could have avoided funding the Taliban with billions of dollars of drones, armored troop carriers, mraps, drones and small arms.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

They could have avoided giving the Taliban weapons and money in the 80s, too. That would have prevented this.

[@realtalk6195]

You mean destroy the weapons that the AFGHAN TROOPS were holding that they were supposedly going to fight the Taliban with (AKA, start another Civil War like what happened 1990 to 1996 after the Soviet occupation ended)??... Yeah, that would have worked well, make the troops demoralized and then your dumb ass would be writing a comment about "Why didn't the US give the Afghan troops _"armored troop carriers, mraps, drones and small arms??"_

[@dev_ilmoon]

how, by rewinding time, they've been funding them since they got there, remember those pictures of them riding around in Ford Trucks

[@moazim1993]

@@dev_ilmoon Yea I think she means exactly that. It’s a point made in jest to point out how we created this.

[@dev_ilmoon]

@@moazim1993 it reads like she's talking about the armaments left in kabul, but you could be right too.

[@zachbarnes2538]

“Why don’t princes fight the war? Why do we always send the poor.”

[@phamawa]

Definitely blasting SOAD at during my workout now

[@goose2323]

Wasn’t the lyric presidents though lol

[@MisterK-YT]

It’s “presidents” hehe 😉

[@Jraymiami]

Because the “powerful” & rich don’t fight wars… they create them for profit.

[@MrSpqr84]

Funny, there was a time when kings princes and dukes did fight the wars!

[@RandyPass]

Two things this expert did not address despite saying Biden did as well as could be expected: 1. Pulling out in the middle of the fighting season versus later in the year. 2. Leaving all the equipment and resources for the enemy. Why was it necessary to leave in such a hurry that billions and billions in elite war fighting equipment fall to the enemy? Why could the US not evacuate on its own terms and timeline to prevent this.

[@brandonfoster8163]

Defund military complex

[@CAL-zq3dk]

Will never happen , it's a club and we arenot in it.

[@mangokane11]

@@CAL-zq3dk and the CIA! But like you said, it'll never happen!

[@dalecash2236]

It makes no difference who the POTUS is. Trump wanted out, and Biden agreed. No matter who's in the white house, Milley was responsible to assess and prepare for the transition, and failed miserably.

[@kindGSL]

I think it is interesting to see Biden succeed against the DC insider forever war mongers where Trump failed. I wonder what kind of leverage he has used against them that Trump failed to take advantage of.

[@meelash1]

Military failed on purpose imo. They don't prepare in order to use lack of preparation and early failures as leverage to walk the policy back. And in the end of they fail at that, they can punish politically whoever forced their hands using the inevitable mess.

[@meelash1]

@@kindGSL I think, in this case, it's just that Biden is old as shit and doesn't care. He doesn't even know if he'll be around to run again. That's a powerful too against political pressure.

[@mousiebrown1747]

The hawks didn’t get it wrong; they got richer.

[@mosesbrown4126]

We are siblings :O

[@Michael-st9ky]

@@mosesbrown4126 look twins!

[@fmayer1507]

Perspective is everything. From a what is best for all of America, getting out after Bin Laden was taken out is the right choice. If a people refuse to fight to win then they do not deserve liberty. There is no free lunch. 911 could have been prevented by not supporting any radicals just to beat the USSR. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is a morally bankrupt philosophy and attitude.

[@primuspilushb]

"Nobody knew for sure" Except for every clearly thinking person not a "foreign policy expert". Hell, even my mechanic knew the Afghan army would fold like a piece of wet paper. "Experts" know the least among us.

[@heregoes8839]

There is no such thing as a "military expert" when it comes to Afg. The last 20 years has proven this

[@primuspilushb]

@@heregoes8839 big facts.

[@MrAranton]

The West had one massive delusion about Afghanistan: They assumed the people hated the Taliban and would greet them as liberators. But that was obviously false, how did the Taliban manage to defeat everyone else by 2001 unless a significant chunk of the Afghan population supported them? How were they able to survive 20 years of guerilla warfare without significant support from the population? It seems a lot of Afghans want to be ruled by radical muslims or are at least okay with the idea. I don't get why, but it seems thats what they want. It's kind of a repeat of Vietnam, the people there seemed (and still seem) to prefer a communist dictatorship over anything the West has to offer.

[@paulkuhr514]

I call BS on the Kabul airport comment. A near empty Bagrum air base is less than 30 miles from Kabul city center which would be easily defended because the infrastructure is in place. It could have been sectioned for security and house the most venerable allied Afghans. Enough troops and airpower could have secured transfer of our people and our allies IF negotiated secure transfer with the Taliban did not work. Please don't defend that the administration got caught with their pants down on how rapid the Taliban advanced and royalty screwed up the withdrawal. Come on Saager or Krystal a little push back is in order. There was no need to see people hanging desperately on the wheels of US aircraft to get crushed.

[@heregoes8839]

Why would Krystal + Saagar push back? They brought him on to support their narrative. They just care about this from an anti-war perspective. Black and white. Seeing them give Biden a pat on the back for this chaos is disgusting.

[@heregoes8839]

@TheDrewSaga This narrative that this "pull out" disaster was inevitable. You realize that you just claimed there wasn't much Biden could do but then immediately say what he could've have done? And also skipped over the things OP suggests what could've been done? Biden's negligence resulted in the worst possible way to handle this thing. And it wasn't Trump's "suggestion" it was part of the deal he set up. Biden messed it up and wanted to push it back to Sept. 11 for his own ego and political purposes to not give Trump any credit and it totally backfired on him.

[@paulkuhr514]

Update if you look at it right now they are doing what they should had done from the beginning. The only difference is they are doing it at the Kabul Airport directly counter to what the the guest speak said. Negotiated secure transfer with the Taliban and can move 5000 to 11000 out of country every day. Again their was no need to see people flying off a plane and hanging on the the wheels. And what did the President say in his speech. If you mess with this transfer we will crush you.....so their you go reality ended up being exactly what I said. The spin is BS they screwed up.

[@HamishDuh2nd]

Only a few more years folks. Just another few trillion dollars more.

[@Make_Ukraine_Russia_Again]

Yep. If the Taliban could overtake the country in 72 hours after us being there for 20 years, then everyday longer we were there would just be postponing the inevitable.

[@111Phoenix777]

That's what I'm saying. We had about 20 years to plan for this exit. WTF!?

[@Kinkle_Z]

I knew 20 years ago that this invasion/occupation was complete folly and would end horribly. A lot of us did!

[@monteciagreen1050]

Occupation is exactly what it was. Oppressive occupation. The people hated the govt and generally agreed that it was better to be oppressed by Taliban instead.

[@felixoupopote]

Yes we did. But with all the bullshit that's distracted us since then, when did we EVER get together all at once and do something about it?

[@k3v1n47]

blablabla mushroom cloud...blablabla terr'riss, blablabla with us or agin' us, blablabla axis o' eeeeviiiil, blablabla 9-11! oogah boogah! blablabla...and more. They'll find another boondoggle to sacrifice other people's children and poor people around the world on the alter of rich people's profits. Old man Joe is still the same asshole he was for the 50 years he's spent in "service". We're doing this stuff already like all the presidents before him. See Syria, Lybia, Yemen, most of West Africa and more.

[@pacewalk7396]

Before only criticising The Afgan military , know that in last 20 years over 66000 ANSF army men died fighting Taliban while only 2400 NATO soldiers died. Cutting deal with the Taliban while keeping Afgan people in the dark and then suddenly leaving the country taking away all technical and air power caused a big lose of morale of the local army there. U.S can't be trusted as an ally. 👎

[@jfb.8746]

THIS. The 'expert' forgot or omitted this very point. For a reason : it would seriously hamper his theory. And for his comment about South Vietnam, he conveniently omitted the fact that the US stopped supplying the SV army with parts for their military gear that had been supplied by the US. So... EXPERT? let me doubt.

[@hab9047]

The failure to muster a competent rearguard is a failure of the chain of command. I expect a better ROI on my MIC.

[@samuelwallace2782]

These takes are BS. It was time to leave but arguing that the Biden administration couldn't have done better is flat wrong. Don't take my word for it, take the words of Biden and blinken from a couple months ago. Biden did what he did the way he did because he expected it to be a political win

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

What exactly were they going to do to make it "better"?

[@samuelwallace2782]

@@KaiserMattTygore927 For 9 months people have been saying that we need to get the people that backed us out or it would be a humanitarian disaster. Today, thousands of people who care are being forced to use Instagram and gofundme to try to save our allies. The embassy had to be evacuated in disarray, and we ended up having to put more troops into Afghanistan to evacuate than were there in the first place (6,000 vs. 2500 a few months ago). (An additional thing that they had much less control of but I wish had been done better was the equipment we left behind. We essentially just made the taliban or whoever they sell everything to a near peer adversary. That issue doesn't have a clear answer though. ) Bottom line, this administration promised that the withdrawal wouldn't be a disaster and it is. Now, they're trying to pretend that it was inevitable. Either they were lying or incompetent then, or they're lying and incompetent now. We made up our minds that the war was lost, but Biden got to pick the time-line and its not bravery to go to camp David to avoid questions. We lost this war in the most spectacular way possible and if any politicians of Generals were actually going to be held accountable I guarantee they could have done a better job.

[@hawk622]

@@KaiserMattTygore927 leave on the original timeline in May not violating the existing deal. Fourish months (Jan-May) is plenty of time to get the affairs in order and have an organized withdrawal. It’s not like the existing military in Afghanistan couldnt have figured it out. Pushing back the withdrawal to 9-11-21 for basically purely optics reasons helped to foster increased tension. To say that a deal brokered by the Trump admin and pushed back by the Biden admin is all Biden’s credit is just kissing ass to the establishment. This would have likely been a disaster regardless, but at least there would be the appearance of the US sticking to its word. For the Biden admin to say the Trump admin “didn’t cooperate” is political gamesmanship at its worst.

[@rickdanna4610]

They absolutely could have planned the exit better, the exit is what it is, but the plan for exit was horrendous. They could have started removing civilians before announcing troop withdrawal, could have begun removing troops before announcing it, and could have just generally done a lot more to remove people from the embassy in quiet. They also could have gotten military equipment out of Afghanistan. Overall, the strategy for a necessary exit was terrible not because of the Taliban taking over, that was inevitable, but because they vastly underestimated how rapidly the Taliban would regain control and thus were forced to do things like have emergency evacuations and burn government documents in haste.

[@MedusaWithoutTheBaggage]

Man, I missed Saagar. I'm a lefty 170% - Saagar is the Ying to Krystal's Yang that we need. Kyle is pompous.

[@chrisrogers4242]

Kyle is a coastal liberal. Se saw farms flying over Kansas and ask what those like squares on the ground are

[@ricardopena3995]

Richard looks like a 45 year old teenager 😂

[@stephm.3407]

Maybe he has a picture in the attic that's looking horrible? ;)

[@randomspurious1066]

Reminds me of a DC comics villain...

[@Pomegranate_David]

Yeah the Joker

[@kristaholden7485]

I was literally waiting to hear what you both would say about this. I wondered if you might have to say that you hadn’t anticipated this horrible outcome and that you were wrong because both CNN and Fox are reporting what a catastrophic failure this is. I really appreciate a truly different opinion. My heart goes out to the people of Afghanistan who are innocent.

[@therevolutionwill23]

The whole Afghanistan invasion and occupation was a continuing total disaster and a complete lie. You were so ignorant of what your government was doing that you just now found out. I feel sorry for the famlies of the dead and injured on all sides politically.

[@GrimSleepy]

@@therevolutionwill23 Yes, and the people of North Korea actually believe Kim Jong Un is a god and that surviving in the outside world is much worse than starving at gunpoint... Nation's of people aren't necessarily represented by the power complexes that rule over them. Maybe you hadn't noticed, it's been the trend for over the last couple , oh I don't know, ten thousand years or so when we discovered agriculture and built societies around it?

[@Kamfrenchie]

I think such a complete and rapid collapse just shows the whole "nation building" thing was a farce... i mean seriously, i think anyone with some education could have done a better job of creating a semi functional government that would last at least a few months

[@therevolutionwill23]

@@GrimSleepy There are no "Good guys." There are just a bunch of guys. I'm sorry if that isnt what they told you. But think about it.

[@therevolutionwill23]

@@Kamfrenchie The Soviets pulled out and the Afghan Government they were propping up lasted three years before falling to the Taliban.

[@airmark02]

Krystal : " Was Biden being Lied to by the Pentagon? " *No Krystal ~ Biden knew exactly what was going on*

[@mrbrit1218]

But does Biden really know what is going on in anything, or does he just do what he's told and nod smile for the cameras in order to get free icecream?

[@airmark02]

@@mrbrit1218 Don't kid yourself Joe Biden has been in Washington 45 years. He is well aware of how the whole machine works inside-out. He may be dumb, greedy, mean & lazy. But he knows his role.

[@ccfrazier92]

Don't leave billions in armaments, don't pull troops just to have to redeploy to manage the immediate evacuation, and don't pretend that wasn't avoidable. This is a botching even if you like the fact we left.

[@davidesparza3637]

You mean the armament we left the Afghan army?

[@drewcoowoohoo]

Overlooked history: Nobody successfully conquers Afghanistan. Not the US, the Soviets, or anyone back past Alexander the Great.

[@Divine1Right]

But many empires did conquer Afghanistan after Alexander the Great, like the Muslim armies for example...

[@vortex_1336]

You can easily conquer Afghanistan. Actually ruling it is the problem. Since the various tribes and clans don't care what any central government has to say.

[@ackmaster8050]

china will simply by talking to them and offering them protection from the USA iin the future

[@vortex_1336]

@@ackmaster8050 Offer to who? Afghanistan hasn't ever had a functioning government.

[@GM_-]

The Mongols conquered the place by simply killing enough of them. The Sikh armies of maharaja Ranjit Singh also forced the Afghan tribal chieftains to sign a peace treaty.

[@DarthMerlin]

This guy is smiling and giggling way to much...

[@pmays4]

Military industrial complex does not want 20 years of cash flow to stop.

[@mrsmash99]

Absolutely PHENOMENAL, Pulitzer level coverage today. You guys are on fire!

[@lodewijklangeweg742]

Copy/paste on KZbin's search bar: "Jimmy Dore Brings Anti-War Message To Fox News" (My posts with links get shadow banned.)

[@mikem4432]

As I sit at home, at my PC in a recliner with my feet up, and a glass of whisky.. I am so so amazed that this imperial interventionalist NEOCONS are crooning like wild hogs and barking like mad dogs at the moon as this Afghan FIASCO finally winds down to the disaster I predicted more than TWENTY YEARS AGO!

[@Michael-st9ky]

They are hopeful that we buy their excuses

[@matthewmelancon3297]

I appreciate his reporting, maybe express less glee when telling Americans their loved ones died for nothing?

[@TheRealBozz]

It's Okay. They got a Gold Star...

[@doraemon402]

Who are you, the facial expression police?

[@TheShawny122]

They did. And those families should be mad they were sent there.

[@realtalk6195]

MUH FEELZ..... Why enter a war Post-death-of-OBL? "To stop another 9/11, so AQ can't use Afghanistan to stage attacks"?...Meanwhile AQ and Daesh control territory in Subsaharan Africa several times the size of Afghanistan. So they can't use that to attack the West but apparently they can Afghanistan? The occupation never made sense. None of the hijackers were even from Afghanistan. It had absolutely zero TANGIBLE role in the attack happening. Had the attack been orchestrated a few years later. Most people would have enough sense to know that phone and internet alone can be used to coordinate attacks. They didn't fking need Afghanistan, just like they didn't need it during the Kenya embassy bombings in the 90s. Months into the occupation OBL had already left too. All these wars did is create refugee crises, ruined lives and money, and distracted the world from China while all focus was on Neocon/Zionist wars which only _created_ terror.

[@R2D6_10]

It's not about the goal of removing troops (and ultimately any ally) that is the problem, it's the manner in which it was conducted. Why was there no blockade (82nd airborne) at the cities gates? Where was the Specter Gunship on the choke points on the WAY to Kabul? Where was the Reinforcements to the airport prior to the citizenry rushing the runways? These things need to be answered for.

[@heregoes8839]

They know, they just want to create a strawman so they can praise Biden.

[@R2D6_10]

@@heregoes8839 why was there not a "Steel ring" around the city and voluntary "diaspora?" This is exactly the reason we need a coherent immigration policy, so when there is a catastrophy like this we can relocate as many allies and their family members as humanly possible. Inserved in Iraq, not Afganistan, but I'll never pick up a rifle for this country again.

[@amir_fahmi]

Being pro war brings in lots of campaign money from the Israeli lobby.

[@nowonami2524]

Fake war on terror to begin with. It was a great success actually. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5KymaGBZZaqg7s

[@mrtriffid]

It's ironic: Conventional wisdom (i.e. Imperialist/capitalist apology) argues that you can't solve social/domestic problems by just "throwing money" at them, but that is EXACTLY what it advocates in foreign policy: just throwing away billions! Of course, much of that money comes directly back to them, so we see that the Military-Industrial Complex (the foundation of the American state) is really a major mechanism for the redistribution of wealth UPWARDS.

[@johnschmalbach8243]

When it comes to the chaos of the pull out I actually wonder if it was incompetence, or arrogance. It's very possible that the generals thought that yet again they would be able to twist the arm of whatever administration was in charge and get another extension. If you think you can convince the administration not to pull out, why plan for a pull out?

[@Razaiel]

That's what they did to Obama when he wanted to pull out, same thing with Trump.

[@InterestedAmerican]

I believe what made this Afghanistan disaster unavoidable, had already taken place before 9/11, and the George W. Bush administration should have realized what they were getting into-Especially when already knowing what happened to the Soviets. The US actually had TONS of good will, and were celebrated by the Afghan Mujahideen for helping them during the Soviet invasion. But the US screwed that up, and destroyed the good will by getting involved in the civil war that broke out in the power vacuum of the Soviet withdrawal. The US (not surprisingly) backed the losing side, the Northern Alliance. Had we stayed neutral and allowed the Afghan people self-determination, and did nothing to help any side, we'd have had a chance that the Taliban willing to either, give over, or let us come and take Osama Bin Laden, after his 9/11 attacks. But because the US actively assisted the losing side in the Afghan civil war, the Taliban wasn't going to let getting Bin Laden be easy. Thus the chaos ensued, followed by invasion, with disaster ultimately being the inevitable outcome.

[@jakeweill]

I'm sure bin Laden coordinated the explosives wrapped around the structural Columns of the foundation of the Trade Center and turned off the tracking on the plans while they were grounded and scrambled our military on the East Coast for some b******* drill offshore

[@jakeweill]

All the while towers are falling and buddy Bush jr is overseeing kids having to chant 'kite plane must hit Steel' in their programmatic reading assignment they then got to recite "my friend the pet goat" story while Junior gazed around nervously for 5 minutes then said good job for covering up my implicit Advance knowledge of killing Americans under Rubble of Twin Towers, later kids.

[@eagleleft]

I hope US accepts Afghan refugees without issue. The US owes a lot to the Afghan people

[@Mydogslove2laugh]

Me too

[@justsmiless203]

Lmfao this is america. That would be political suicide. Repubs would scream first the mexicans now the Muslims and tucker would tell his flock their under siege or some crap.. I could be wrong but .....yeah

[@heregoes8839]

@@justsmiless203 Idk about that, the right is criticizing Biden for leaving them behind rn. America definitely owes reparations to the people of Afg., but I don't see that happening under Taliban rule.

[@eagleleft]

@@justsmiless203 doesn't matter what the optics are

[@jjstraka1982]

@@heregoes8839 the right is criticizing Biden because it's something they can use as a cudgel, not because they ACTUALLY want refugees. Quit falling for bad faith arguments.

[@oldandletdown7464]

Afghanistan 2 Superpowers 0 ……a war in Afghanistan historically has never had good out come.

[@gabithemagyar]

That's because the superpowers have always tried to conquer it with war, pretty well impossible given the terrain and the warlike nature of many Afghans. China will conquer it by no-strings attached financial and technical support until Afghanistan becomes totally dependent on China and the Afghan populace tires of the Taliban. Then ... annexation and assimilation a la Tibet in a few decades.

[@stevestone76]

Hahaha “ Yeah that’s what being incompetent means.”

[@wateim3951]

Agreed, and this should be the title.

[@MicroClases_Ciencia]

There it is, at 2:47 they blame Trmp for the delay.

[@TheAwesomejay]

facts hurt

[@MrTimeless101]

Biden gets credit for sticking to the pullout, but this evacuation was a mess a terrible mess and Biden has to take responsibility for that.

[@Michael-st9ky]

Also need to account the political capital of pushing for visas for the 10,000 afghan immigrant allies. Where do we put our allies?

[@mayanking339]

It went according to the script

[@brendenmeece1789]

Biden apologists. The girl quoted a press conference by Joe B & then asked if his generals were the ones who told him that the Taliban wouldn’t retake Afghanistan- but the press conference she quoted, the next question in said press conference was about how the generals & analysts were saying the government would collapse & Joe proceeded to say how the Afghan government wouldn’t collapse. Like ?? It was the very next question after the one she quoted ?? He went against his top advisors. It was his fault just his top generals.

[@ShawnMcKenzie-CP]

Not keeping control of the airport and base until allies and support staff could evacuate was avoidable

[@poolhall9632]

Pulling the military out before all of the civilians and contractors were even off the ground!? There were some preventable disasters here🤦🏻‍♂️

[@godozo]

Assuming that the military withdrawal was rushed. What if the civilians and contractors were left there by intention - to try and force the military to stick around?

[@moazim1993]

Dude it was done on purpose. The president isn’t in charge day to day. The Military Industrial Complex people that are in charge of the day to day operation, and they did this on purpose. Listen to what the guy is saying. He gave them time, they weren’t serious. They risked lives to try to force the president to stay longer and continue this forever war and continue the gravy train. They delayed Trump, Trump passed the buck, they delayed Biden and Biden agreed and publicly gave an ultimatum. They didn’t listen. I got plenty of problems with Biden but this is courageous, and backlash by people that are falling for the psyop is the reason these people have power over the president. Krystal pointed out the day Trump wanted to leave Afghanistan that the Deep State with their corporate media lackies were creating a narrative about Women’s rights and if you look at Twitter all these so called progressives that wanted to leave Afghanistan are repeating their talking points. Like we give a damn about women’s education in Afghanistan. It’s totally disingenuous and the clearest example of Manufacturing Consent I’m viewing in real time.

[@heregoes8839]

Exactly. BP is lying

[@moazim1993]

@TheDrewSaga thank you

[@Mazyartube]

Let me ask you this: if today were the day after you have watched the horrifying footages of innocent ppl falling from the twin towers, would you still be smiling and joking around with your guest while talking about the topic? I guess innocent Afghans falling from an airplane is not that tragic! And are you sure US government/pentagon didn’t know this would happen? Or maybe they knew this would happen but didn’t want to admit it, thus creating this mess! No one in their right mind wants this endless war to continue (except for the ones making money from it of course) but the way it was handled was disastrous.

[@andrewwiener6798]

The generals and pols spent 20 years squandering lives and treasure while wrapping themselves in the flag.

[@sunrisings292]

"...We went with one mission in mind: Get A LOT RICHER!! While you pay for all of it and get horribly indebted!! Haha! Mission Accomplished!!". ---U.S. DEFENSE-CONTRACTOR Board.

[@tonyowens6802]

When Krystal goes on vacation, can y’all get Alex Jones? 👍

[@sjbock]

His lawyers admit he's just an entertainer putting on an act and not a serious news commentator. If you like him, go watch his channel.

[@hellooutsiders6865]

@@sjbock A segment wouldn't hurt.

[@xtroguyver]

@@hellooutsiders6865 god no anyone who takes Alex Jones seriously needs to reevaluate what a news commentator is

[@newaulk]

There is a report in the Russian media that Ashraf Ghani showed up at the airport with 4 CARS AND A CHOPPER FULL OF CASH. It also says he LEFT SOME BAGS OF CASH ON THE AIRPORT TARMAC as there was NO MORE SPACE IN THE PLANE. That is on top of whatever he could not load on the said cars and chopper.

[@CAL-zq3dk]

Next he will be in a Paris penthouse.

[@VincentoftheRolleri]

The Graveyard of Empires once again lives up to its reputation.

[@JJ-nu8qi]

To be fair it's pretty much every country is impossible to take over really. I mean we are still in south Korea Germany and Japan.

[@VSM101]

biological and chemical weapons makes Afganistan a literal graveyard but we have to fight literal evil cowards with ethics

[@diegomagellan]

Except genghis khan and Alexander the Great

[@JJ-nu8qi]

@@diegomagellan To be fair we could have conqured that country pretty easy if we didn't care about killing civilians either.

[@billD.Boomer]

The critique here seems to be grounded in the big picture without attending to the fact that this winding up of our presence and Kabul falling in a day was a disaster and a huge surprise to the Biden administration. Don't forget, we still have people on the ground stuck there! Yes we needed to leave Afghanistan but it did not need to be a scramble where we abandon our embassy and leave Americans and allies stranded at the mercy of the Taliban.

[@trackerbuckmann1627]

They know what they're doing. The mistake is assuming that they have the same values as the average person. They do not.

[@Jraymiami]

Jeezus over a trillion dollars for 20 years‼️ Accountability is what should happen… but it won’t.

[@sarahwelch1504]

Would’ve preferred this guest to relay all of his information without a smile on his face the entire time...but aside from that, very informative

[@Eralen00]

yeah that was cringy

[@comeonman5667]

Disaster was avoidable in Afghanistan. How you do that is by not going there.

[@kirklandwassabi8619]

But but Afghanistan would probably become unstable if we weren’t there 🤣

[@halcyonacoustic7366]

It's stably controlled by the Taliban.

[@Smart-Towel-RG-400]

@TheDrewSaga it's because they keep getting invaded by people who want to rule the country lol 😅 probly will be china next when they get pissed about something

[@douglasjarnagan3835]

The Taliban were bound to take over Afghanistan. However, the speed at which it happened after we were all told it would not go that way is unacceptable. Had this order come from anyone other than the President, there would be immediate resignations.

[@rustynail7866]

Afghanistan has been kicking foreign butt since 500BC.

[@VSM101]

using biological and chemical wepons while isolateing them from trade but hey ethics and morality and shit for unimpressive soilders supported by the islamic mafia

[@lazerlightening]

This war started when I was 12. I'm 32 now. It doesn't even feel real.

[@codbdup88]

America is the best… at reneging on a deal

[@Notcleverenough]

America is the best... at halting ANY global progress

[@justinstephen9293]

Money talks baby! People keep accepting.

[@lodewijklangeweg742]

You don't announce your military manouvers ahead of time. They should have quickly at night moved all the embassy personnel and Afghan interpreters to planes waiting for them on the airport, and taken off.

[@meelash1]

Doesn't work like that in real life. We have these things called lights, even at night. And helicopters and airplanes make nose.

[@anuzis]

Richard has an interesting perspective, but he smiles at such inappropriate times...

[@malcolmmarzo2461]

Yes, the smiling during this dire situation is weird. Rich elites who don't know what suffering is.

[@GTA5Player1]

Probably nerves. I mean, Breaking Points is a pretty darn big show!

[@davidwilliams7723]

I'm sorry but it could have been done better. Most Americans should have left a month ago when Bagram was shut down. The embassy etc should have been run with a skeleton crew. That would have prevented many of the issues we're having now.

[@wyndwalkerranger7421]

Don't forget the neoliberals like my Sen Shaheen here in NH a real forever war person.

[@UKindness4]

The US was there for military contractors, arms dealers and justify the General’s jobs at the cost of our naive troops. This was all about money for billionaires and bankers and guarding poppy fields???If they could not stand in their own after 20 years there is nothing we can do. We need our money at home!

[@LeviHeatonIII]

I’d rather see Kyle sit in for Krystal when she gets time off. Get Joe Rogan to sit in for Saagar. 😂🤣

[@sjbock]

Insert vomit emoji here.

[@daddsim]

Thank you two so much for what you do.

[@jjguerrero21]

I can't stand Biden but he is right in this one. We don't need our troops in Afghanistan fighting and dying. What will come from this is the question?

[@diggingupthepast4660]

He did not get it right. Leaving opened the door for China to occupy Afganistan. Do your research!

[@jjguerrero21]

@@diggingupthepast4660 ok I'll look into it.

[@millerk20]

They're pissed that they lost their cash-cow. Does anyone actually believe they really care about the Afghanis?

[@thomasjohnson7990]

If you start a sentence with "Should" or it appears in your sentence then you are wrong. Looking at anything in hindsight that way is not worth the breath you wasted.

[@tomprosser849]

Sugar, glad you are back.

[@horseman3222]

I never knew you were preaching historical determinism? Of course it was avoidable.

[@k3v1n47]

Name a conflict the US engaged in, since the end of WW2 featuring an occupation of lands thousands of miles away that included an insurgency that was successful. Spoiler alert...there aren't any. People don't like their lands occupied. They don't. They'll fight you. You will lose. Its not "historical determinism". Its reality.

[@horseman3222]

@@k3v1n47 right... the fact US political class has no will at all doesn't mean losing was unavoidable.

[@k3v1n47]

@@horseman3222 I asked you: Name a conflict the US got into that featured an insurgency (with the support of the people who's country we are occupying) that turned out A-OK. You're trying to blame the losses (always a loss in every case, throughout history) on politicians...who don't have "will"... Are you kidding? This is absurd.

[@horseman3222]

@@k3v1n47 That is fine. I take absurdism over determinism every single day of the week. Your argument is flawed. Why are you using II world war as arbitrary point? You think you can just frame it as you like and it will prove your point? You know what giant will was needed to go through US military operations during II WW? Yet there was a will.

[@k3v1n47]

@@horseman3222 That is fine. I take absurdism over determinism every single day of the week. (this is stupid) Your argument is flawed. (Where?) Why are you using II world war as arbitrary point? (It is the beginning agreed upon by the World's historians as the beginning of the US' global aspirations) You think you can just frame it as you like and it will prove your point? (No.) You know what giant will was needed to go through US military operations during II WW? (Men fought. The world fought. That was will. Not the will of non fighters. Also, the Soviet Union paved the way for Allied victory) Yet there was a will. (Read a fucking book. Bye)

[@rugerREL07]

We really did Vietnam the remix

[@nickbatlle3238]

This guy is awesome, best analysis I've heard on the situation. War hawk media sucks so much

[@zetacentari2547]

So you don't think mowing down innocent civilians trying to rush the last aircraft leaving some clinging to the sides falling from thousands of feet was "unavoidable"? We should have left long ago but never in that manor of chaos.

[@shenebraskan4945]

Great guest. Whole show today was exceptional.

[@zstrauss1]

Glad you're back S!!!!

[@fatboywins]

This is the most mature analysis of the situation, glad I subbed, thanks for this!

[@harivatsaparameshwaran4174]

Everyone should read Mr Hananias commentary on the Afghan war papers pinned on his twitter feed. Great insights.

[@rittherugger160]

"Logistical Problems" is a rather inadequate description of a 90 minute drive from the capital city to the airport. One and a half hours on a single mountain road.

[@thejquinn]

Please double segment guests in the future, would've loved to hear what Richard's take on Somalia and its future under Biden, as well as the recent Iranian election and what that means for the US, etc. Maybe even some Israel questions....

[@dahnmason3243]

My mans looks like his moms been cuttin his hair that same exact way for just about his entire life.. lmao.. those precious little curly curls are killing me..😭😭😭💀🤭🤦‍♂️

[@clcmoy]

Political courage?? I disagree.

[@robertemerson6090]

These guys are really loving themselves with passion.

[@chrisdryer]

At least notify the Afghan government exactly when they are leaving instead of leaving the weapons to the Taliban and letting soldiers who we fought alongside get executed…

[@AstridSalander]

They’re knew all along, they choose not to fight bcs the gove was a big US lies.

[@chrisdryer]

@@AstridSalander - yes but leave all kinds of weapons behind and vehicles that the US paid for?

[@yoshirider123]

@@chrisdryer some are saying it’s cheaper to leave them there than to bring them back . Plus it’s not like they know how to operate the equipment too

[@chrisdryer]

@@yoshirider123 - lol. The Taliban doesn't know how to use that sort of stuff? Don't they have access to the internet? What excuse are you trying to provide here?

[@AstridSalander]

@@chrisdryer well yeah the big lie was that supposedly the Afghan gove would fight the taliban and obviously they need weapons to do so. America throw bombs just before leaving, what else do you want jeez!

[@PortlandsTransport]

Excellent!

[@parsonj39]

"This is political courage, and we should acknowledge that." Yep. I'm not a Biden fan, but I respect his courage here. The next question is, who's going to have the courage to snake out the sewer that is the Pentagon and the security services?

[@FloridaMan12345]

Good segments. Welcome back Saagar.

[@king6dutch]

It was avoidable, by never going in the first place.

[@AaronB99999]

We have 45 four-star generals and admirals at any given point in time. Over a few decades there are literally hundreds of them. People (especially journalists) see four stars on a collar and think they're looking at George Patton or Dwight Eisenhower. In reality, these are accomplished middle managers who have functioned well in a politicized bureaucracy, one that does not hire from the outside and which efficiently chases out creative or super-smart people before they make major. If they ever had to fight a real war it would be a disaster far beyond what we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[@tonydoberman21]

to the NEOcon, Afghanistan SHOULD be the Global version of Portland, OR. It has to run its course at this point. Secure the borders and learn from our mistakes.

[@stanleybeckett7705]

Sangar is right, the coverage of the withdrawal from Afghanistan shows the importance of Breaking Points

[@guillermorivas7819]

Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires.

[@MrYogiLopez]

There is absolutely no excuse to abandon over 10,000 Americans over there. None.

[@ryanhorsley9965]

I am glad Trump negotiated with the Taliban to at least keep us from having a casualty in the last year. I wish Biden had followed Trump's May exit timeline, since we'd basically have ended up where we are now but sooner. Unfortunately, Biden didn't want Trump to get credit, so he prolonged our presence there for almost four months. This isn't "courage" as Saagar says, but politics.

[@stephm.3407]

But Biden is the only POTUS in 20 years who has had the courage to brave this firestorm and actually leave; and as someone who dislikes Biden, it pains me to say that. Trump just kicked the can down the road, who knows what he would have done in May if he hadn't lost. The generals are pretty savvy, and Trump is easy to manipulate if you know how, do you really believe the generals wouldn't have tried to encourage Trump to renegotiate that date?

[@heregoes8839]

It's not even like Biden used his first 4 months to evacuate the allies and refugee civilians, etc. first before the troops. He didn't even use these last 4 months after Trump's deadline. He literally wanted to wait until September to begin that process. He just wanted to get the troops out first by September to get good headlines for political reasons so he can use the 20-year mark as a branding exercise during his re-election campaign.

[@ryanhorsley9965]

@@heregoes8839 Agreed. Biden's timing makes me suspicious. I think he did this to avoid the appearance of following a Trump policy, but I also wonder if it's a distraction to keep people from looking too deeply in the infrastructure bill. What it is not is bravery or leadership on his part. Anyone who thinks it is needs to be more skeptical. He didn't have a 50 year career in politics by being virtuous.

[@ryanhorsley9965]

@@stephm.3407 It's hard to know what Trump may or may not have done. Trump took a lot of heat from them for stopping cruise missile strikes on Iran when they shot down a drone, when he drew down the military presence fighting ISIS, and has shown consistency in opposing the Iraq war from its beginnings before he got into politics. His bluster and immaturity aside, Trump wasn't a war hawk. I also think he might choose to defy people like General Milley for their wokeness if nothing else.

[@JJ-nu8qi]

Everybody knew it was never going to work I just hate the fact that so many people died trying to do the impossible.

[@hidesinlonggrass3229]

I don't blame Biden. I blame the people who voted for him.... Democracy fails sometimes.

[@ianmay820]

I voted for Biden to end the endless wars and would do it again. This war was lost 20 years ago. I’m happy no more American lives and tax dollars will be wasted in that corrupt government.

[@Mydogslove2laugh]

We need our troops home. We have so much in US to fix. Flint, Michigan still doesn't have clean water.

[@coreybutler6393]

I don't like how pleased the interviewee looks while discussing this very horrible situation.

[@jakeweill]

So G-d ironic the whole thing he can't contain it