DEBUNKING THE ANGRY NON-ASTRONAUT

[@RichardAllen7753]

This channel has been a BREATH of fresh air

[@huskytail]

@@conveyor2 please, don't transport us, even if by words only, into your world. Some people have higher standards.

[@damjanvulic8418]

Facts 👏

[@Thenormal880]

same

[@thecartruthreport8451]

Unlike the air on Starship ; )

[@poiu477]

More like hot air

[@chengong388]

If you have the technology to somehow build a self-sufficient mars colony, then surely you would have no trouble rebuilding civilization from a a nuclear apocalypse either. There's literally no scenario where we could somehow make Earth less habitable than Mars already is.

[@Andystuff800]

There's one: wait 5 billion years for the sun to swallow the earth.

[@Biosynchro]

Good point!

[@PineappleDealer37]

@@Andystuff800 at that point, wouldn't it also eat the mars?

[@Andystuff800]

@@PineappleDealer37 No, Mars is believed to be far enough out that it won't get eaten.

[@jamesmeow3039]

@@arletottens6349 no shif

[@leshiro5574]

Hopium is very addicting and destructive.

[@MyKharli]

Its because we face an existential environmental crisis and hopeum is way easier than actually consuming/emitting less until we figure out sustainability..that would be real progress !

[@arkadiusztrzesniewski4237]

hopium wars :)

[@jimmehjiimmeehh9748]

@@MyKharli "Its because we face an existential environmental crisis" You mean the one that drowned us all back in the 1930's? To be frank I am curious how I am a ghost at this point as my grandparents died before they could give birth to my parents, never mind my parents to me...

[@domferrel31]

Guess it's the last resolve if u ain't gonna focus on numbers

[@rocksnot952]

It's a strong bogon emitter.

[@interman7715]

Angry's mum sure has done a nice job decorating the basement for her little astronaut ☺

[@WinstonSmith685]

The spacing of those framed pictures behind him is really bothering me.

[@starmanssciencechannel1834]

I just wish people would use their brains instead of just trusting marketing.

[@JMartJr]

"Remember, love with your heart. Use your head for everything else," as Captain Disillusion says.

[@levi_exiled8579]

Yet again my point is proven: high quality content is rare and people who enjoy it even rarer. This goes for movies as well and entertainment. Your channel is way too underrated.

[@amicaaranearum]

Musk, himself, provides ample fodder for topics to debunk: • Hyperloop • using the BFR for Earth-to-Earth passenger transportation • the Las Vegas Loop • flying cars using cold gas thrusters • Tesla accounting/stock fraud

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Very true. We've already got episodes on the BFR PTP concept, as well as the TSLA/SolarCity bailout which was eye-opening. Musk was using SpaceX money to keep SC afloat, and still had to con his TSLA shareholders into bailing him out (and paying him billions more on top for a worthless company). Let us know what you think of those episodes.

[@Tordogor]

I am interested in the rumored nasty/capricious environment for Engineers in Musk companies.

[@amicaaranearum]

@@commonsenseskeptic I've seen all of your episodes, and I like the no-nonsense style.

[@amicaaranearum]

Actually, it looks like I missed the BFR PTP episodes; I'll watch them now.

[@amicaaranearum]

@@johntheux9238 It's still a pretty stupid idea.

[@Purpleturtlehurtler]

3:15 Yeah... I commented on one of your videos with a question the other day and you responded before I even finished the video. That's dedication to the cause. Keep up the beautiful work! Hoping to catch up to you current videos soon!

[@zifadibricic6282]

the amount of research you put into your videos is amazing, glad to find you and some common sense on youtube

[@carlkligerman1981]

So cool to come back to the early vids and see how much this excellent channel has grown. There’s still argument about this from Muskrats, who think us sceptics hate science. lol. As though DOING science to debunk bullshit marketing means a person hates science! I think it’s the opposite in almost every case, actually, You know, I have to be honest and admit I was excited when I first heard that Musk planned to get us to Mars, and I’m still thrilled even when we get a RC vehicle on its surface and am hyped about ESCAPADE, but yeah, thanks to finding channels like yours and Thunderf00t’s I no longer live in a dream world where I think I personally might get to travel to another planet because some paper billionaire says so and shows me some pretty graphics of a violinist in zero G 😂. I’ve learned a lot by watching videos like these and I thank you for it, genuinely, it’s really important work.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thanks so much for the feedback on the channel and the content. It has certainly grown far beyond our original expectations ;)

[@InfamoussDBZ]

Dr. Phil Mason recommended your channel in a past video. Subscribed and look forward to watching you. The problem is that cold, hard reality is entertaining by itself. I don't think I would've subscribed if this video showed up on auto play. There's a reason to subscribe, but you have to flip that switch in the brain that makes them subscribe. I believe in you. You have a head start, a clear goal, the motivation, but also the intangibles that no one can describe in words. You will succeed.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thank you very much for checking us out, and for the feedback.

[@Daybreakerflint]

As I have been binge watching all of your stuff for the past days I have to say that you present all your stuff very well backed!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thanks so much for the feedback!

[@AzBachour]

Nailed it again... happy new years

[@Rennoch]

another excellent episode, though minor, minor error to point out: it was 4 billion, not 4 million, years ago that mars lost it's magnetosphere.

[@Rennoch]

@@stevencoardvenice even longer if you want to get technical, the most recent estimates say 4.2 billion.

[@IronHexacyanoferrate]

@@Rennoch edit: I stuffed up with the age of Mars, disregard any information from this comment. did you literally just google the answer and say the first thing on google? Mars is only about 4.2B years old, so how could it have lost its magnetosphere when it wasn’t even 10 million years old. The actual number is between 3.5-3.9B years ago.

[@Rennoch]

@@IronHexacyanoferrate 3.9 billion, quickly rounded, is 4 billion, and the 3.7-4.2 billion estimate that i saw was from may of 2020 in a research paper from UBC.

[@Rennoch]

@@IronHexacyanoferrate also, where did you get the "mars is only 4.2b old" info? the most commonly quoted age i know of (admittedly from the late 00s) is 4.6-4.7 BY of age.... which gives easily 300+ million years of time, not the 10s you claim.

[@IronHexacyanoferrate]

@@Rennoch my apologies, I’m a bit of an idiot, indeed Mars was formed just after the sun, for some bizarre reason I thought that all planets were formed some 400m years after the sun (due to the age of earth) and didn’t bother verifying that information. You’re indeed right, and I’d like so sincerely apologise. Also I’ll edit my earlier comment as to not give people false info, don’t want to delete it so people know what you were replying to. Again I apologise for my hypocrisy.

[@laszlozoltan5021]

I like the calm rational approach of this channel.... it would serve as a useful guide for politicians and political parties to present and explain their positions, because too many seem to think they are still filming episodes of Hee-haw

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Appreciate the comments - thank you!

[@duncanjackson2332]

Thanks good work we need more people like you.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thank you too!

[@stevedinks6090]

It's way easier to scam people than it is to convince people that they are being scammed

[@lucasgrey9794]

Humans will ALWAYS be gullible and stupid. Guys like Angry AstroNOT decided to profit off of this stupidity.

[@User-l3u6m]

@@lw8672 yeah who cares NASA isnt a good source for info, lol muskraat

[@LudosErgoSum]

This channel is severly underappreciated. So many claim "think for yourselves and do your own research" - where are all these people?

[@commonsenseskeptic]

They’re finding us, one by one. Still a relatively new channel, so help spread the word :)

[@kylephelps9716]

researching.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

​@@commonsenseskepticThank you for acknowledging this (instead of pretending we're all stupid because we didn't find you sooner, etc.)

[@ajr993]

I used to watch angry astronaut and think Elon Musk was implementing revolutionary technology. You and Thunderfoot have really changed my perspective. I don't watch angry anymore and I've lost respect for Elon Musk.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

It’s unfortunate that so many people have fallen victim to the hype, but at least now you have better information available to you.

[@david_martin_per]

It is unfortunate that Thunderfoot had such a fixation with Anita Sarkeesian and the whole SJW thing tho.

[@turkeytrac1]

@@boogaloobomber9889 look up what NASA did in the 1990s. Elon didn't "create" a thing, he built SpaceX on almost 30 yr old tech using govt money.

[@poiu477]

Thunderfoot's got a big hard on against women, probably because he looks the way he does and has trouble finding someone who would deal with his abrasiveness

[@poiu477]

anyone who identifies as an "anti-feminist" is fucked. He believes in gender essentialism and thinks hormones and sexual dimorphism are the reasons women are at a disadvantage, instead of acknowledging very real misogyny.

[@zainlookboonmee]

As soon as you guys said check out our... And how civilly you responded to angry astronaut, I was like these guys are definitely Canadian. Cheers from KW, Ontario 😄

[@philjackson4365]

I grew up in the city where HMS Victory is in dry dock. It's impressively big by any standard. I recommend any visitors to the UK to go and take a tour around - it's a pretty remarkable bit of history.

[@hoodzzeee]

Why? Perpetuate colonial tropes? Fuck your Victory. Cheers from your convict relations down under.

[@timothyblazer1749]

I did! It's a gorgeous Ship. :-) You should visit Boston to see the USS Constitution!

[@jackglossop4859]

@@hoodzzeee you’re silly man

[@williamedge5130]

One thing that makes me angry about the way people talk about aquaponics, hydroponics, and vertical farming in these contexts is that they seem to think even here on earth that they’re supposed to be a pure replacement for agriculture. Which means they amplify that message while they ignore what most experts on these topics would say they’re best for, which is supplementing wide ranging agricultural systems as a part of a holistic logistical approach, particularly in areas where regular agriculture can be difficult. On anything but a relatively small scale their best place is taking some of the pressure off the food industry, especially if you’re looking into rehabilitating some of the agricultural system to be more regenerative or otherwise sustainable

[@timothyblazer1749]

Agree with your facts, but not your conclusions. :-) Hydroponics is not just one way of growing. There is a large amount of work being done on growing energy crops, and they can be grown quite easily hydroponically. They are not grown by commercial growers generally because it isn't profitable, but it can be done. In fact, there is an enormous variety that can be grown this way. So it is nothing to do with the technology. It's done botanically, but not commercially. This of course means that it isn't efficient to grow them hydroponically, which is a SERIOUS concern for anyone who wants to design a system. It isn't a solved problem, and will require experimentation IN SITU. That's why you can't count on space hydroponics supplying all the food. And don't even wind me up on animals and their necessity for health and well being....I'm tired of politics getting into food production..animals are necessary. Period.

[@doylethelovely2555]

Get out there’s a lot of unnecessary hype around aquaculture there’s a lot of stuff I can do but it’s not magic. Like any kind of farming there’s inputs and outputs and it’s very situational at times. It’s mainly because a lot of people in America ain’t ever heard of it unless they live in Maine or Hawaii.

[@Daniel-tx2vt]

@@timothyblazer1749 ya’ll don’t know how cool you are when you go back and forth in these comments. I learn so much🔥

[@Arthur-Silva]

You guys need to debate Elon Musk on The Joe Rogan Experience. Joe Rogan is such a fanboy, it's embarrassing to witness.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Absolutely :)

[@peppermintgal4302]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 THIS. Debate has been this sacred cow for so long. The way to truth, however, is practical experience.

[@breezyjr]

The whole series debunking Musk has been stellar.

[@vatsal_garg]

And a very Happy New Year!!! to CSS.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Happy new year!

[@pressure-fedastronaut6511]

13:59 The reason Musk doesn't take radiation seriously is because he listens to Robert Zubrin. Zubrin's only claim to fame is coming up with Mars Direct (which has been a sort-of-baseline Mars mission design since the 2000s and the inspiration for the Musk Mars plan). You can read about it in The Case for Mars--though I suggest reading critiques of it afterward, especially for his weird jingoism and dismissal of real technical problems. Zubrin asserts that a Mars Direct Mars mission (six months to Mars, 500-ish day stay, and six months back, so three years) would incur a radiation dosage similar to that of an airline pilot over a 25-ish year career. These specific pilots he mentions are more susceptible to cancer, by the way. He thinks that's acceptable and calls anyone who disagrees with him 'radiophobes'. Bernd Leitenberger's conclusion about Zubrin is one I agree with: Zubrin understands absolutely nothing about space travel.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

We’ve written Zubrin off as a crackpot - his involvement with Mars One as a primary advisor (biography is still up on their website) cemented that opinion. Now that he’s pretty much unemployable for his role in that scam, “Mars” is all he’s got - that’s how he sells his books, and conference tickets etc to people,who don’t know any better.

[@pressure-fedastronaut6511]

He's been that way for longer than Mars One. There is an irony to a climate change denier (which Zubrin is) who advocates terraforming.

[@saumyacow4435]

@@johntheux9238 You've made this claim elsewhere in this comments section and when I debunked you, you quietly ran away.

[@pressure-fedastronaut6511]

There are no real Mars mission designs that use this. What you've shown me is a porkchop plot and nothing else. Real designs include actual performance limitations of the vehicles used--especially since Mars Direct uses aerobraking at Mars. The Environmental Assessment you've given is talking about Earth landing, not Mars landing. And you're still ignoring the radiation problem.

[@pressure-fedastronaut6511]

Having seen more of your comments, it's clear to me that you're a True Believer. You've read too much science fiction and listened to other people who've had their heads in the clouds for far too long. This isn't a Heinlein novel, it's the real world. (Read Akin's Laws. I've met Akin, by the way.)

[@KennyMong]

Elon: comparing Starship with A380 when Starship is for life sustaining journey that last 6 months whereas A380 is for flight that last 12 hours max. What weed you smokin bro?

[@willtraveller1388]

Thank you so much for making these videos. Can't imagine the work and effort you put into doing all the research on your own. You are making the world a better place. I hope to see your channel blows exponentially soon.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thanks so much for the feedback.

[@pavels.4601]

Thank you and all the best to 2021! :) Looking forward to new videos.

[@Vacublaster1]

Came here from Thunderfoot, pleased to find you.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thanks for checking us out. TFoot sends quite a few people our way. :)

[@johnalbert6748]

Your methodical response to "Angry" earned you a subscription. Good work.

[@Tordogor]

For starters, I want to praise your videos, both for quality content, as your unfashionable honesty. I had an argument with one very upset Muskrat several weeks ago abour the nonsense of trying to do anything on Mars before completion of a comprehensive - and surely lengthy - program of hardware experimentation and Human adaptation and training on the Moon. I was trained as a PhD. in Experimental High Energy Density/Plasma Physicist. I am 58 yo., studying Space related topics since I just learnt to read. In fact, I got into HED/Plasmas at 15 yo. because I wanted to build Plasma/Fusion spaceships, not to colonize Mars, but the Moons of Saturn (I wanted to retire on Tethys - very nice view.) Among the many things I learnt as a Applied Experimental Physicist, one was fundamental, in (experimental) practice, problems appear a lot faster than they can be imagined by theoreticians. Ergo: 'In Theory there is no difference between Theory and Practice; In Practice there are many - Very Definitely.' Mankind needs to train hard and learn much in the Moon first, develop a full infrastructure there as beta testing of procedures and operations - particularly the management of biospheres with local resources, solve all the minutiae that may and WILL KILL YOU in Space and on Planetary Surfces. Proper Human physiological selection criteria must be developed - even Genetic Engineering may be applied (and God forgive me, Eugenics ... ) And to learn a pragmatic, realistic - not Politically Correct/Wishful Thinking - attitude of developing a viable Socio-Cultural/Econo-Political environnent beyond a stratified militaristic one, as the fascistoid Technocracy of 'Star Trek' or the Hive Mentality of Asiatic Communism. (How would you deal with all the psychological foibles of Human individuals and the sociopathies of Societies - Crime, Alienation, Vice, Social Unrest, Terrorism, Mass Delusions, etc. - besides the huge technical problems, tens to hundreds of millions of Kilometers away from Earth?) Is it all this stuff not enough to be pretty busy for so many decades? To go into the nonsensical, Quixotical adventure of colonizing Mars? Instead of the more sedate, rational, incremental, safer plans of Asteroidal Mining with Solar System-wide Orbital Habitats? The Universe is a very hostile and treacherous place, it does not care for you, your life, or your dreams. Millions on Mars by 2050 ... I was raised Catholic, by I definitively do not believe in such kind of miracles ... if any! P.S.: I know is a lot of work, but adding references to your excellent analysis would enhance your arguments. P.S. #2: I do not want to be either pedantic or dismissive of any of your excellent videos, but could you mention your academic background. It is clear that you are very well grounded on practical matters, it is reassuring to know if you at least have a good formation on the basics of the Sciences. In the 1990s, Computer 'Scientists' used to pontificate on Physics and Astronautics without any shame - or proper education. Now again, lots of amateurs without any sense or education are filling the Web with their Musk praise - even PhDs in Computational Optics ... One of the reasons Scott Manley is so credible is we know that he knows, because his credentials. P.S. #3: Have you seen the Pressure-Fed Astronaut videos debunking Starship design and operational modes? (kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5TSamyVmMl9qLs) He is a M.S. AstroE student at UoAlabama-Huntsville. The videos are not so well produced as yours, but they are very authoritative.

[@KevinBalch-dt8ot]

The topic of academic credentials is a two-edged sword. It is often an essential element in the appeal to authority. It can be used to deflect any criticism no matter how valid. It can be used for deception as academic credentials are no indication of integrity. Remember, Faraday had no academic credentials but the very credentialed and brilliant Maxwell built upon what Faraday had done. The first to investigate a new field of inquiry are never credentialed in that field (Faraday again). How could they be? On the other hand, a credentialed scientist or engineer is safely presumed to have basic competence in science, mathematics, experimental procedures and analysis. Ultimately, we all have to rely on our ability to verify facts and apply logic. Most of the debunking here does not require cutting edge science or engineering.

[@KevinBalch-dt8ot]

@@jimfarmer7811 - I suggested they ought to try to get Biosphere 2 to work. Just solving the psychological problems they had would be an advance. I’m not to concerned about the 20 hour work day to survive. It’s not like any useful functions have been identified for the colonists, unlike for those at a scientific research base.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thank you for the extended comments - very much appreciated. And thank you for the channel suggestion, definitely going to check him out. Our citations are always located in the bottom left of the video frame, according to the primary source, and from there simple keyword searches can locate the articles on that site. News clippings always include the date and the author as well as the website. And, if there's something specific you're having trouble finding, let us know. As for providing credentials, also with identities, being a contrarian channel that would just be asking for trouble at this point. The half-cocked attacks from Angry's minions cemented that opinion in this age of cancel culture. Suffice it to say we are obviously educated (based on syntax and lexicon you can tell a lot about someone), well-rounded (from the breadth of topics covered), and practical which is most important. Thanks again for contributing to the conversation - and Happy New Year!

[@hajorm.a3474]

How's your plasma fusion spaceship going ?

[@Tordogor]

@@commonsenseskeptic Sorry about the citations comment. I am 90% blind and using a cell phone to watch the videos. It is difficult to me to find that kind of details in such small screens. I will try harder next time. WRT credentials, I am not asking you neither name, nor rank or nor SS#. I do not giving them either (Tordogor meaning is kind of fatso PhD. in Argentinean, ACG are my initials) I would like to know mostly your profession and major (if any). I do not know your age either. I am 58, worked in many places, gained a little fame as a contrarian professionally on Fusion lies and myths - that help a little to ruin my career as I could not get a Green Card), and found a lot of Muskrat-like crazies everywhere. You expect them at SF conventions, but giving talks at ISDC or other major Space meetings (all of the 'rocket scientists', provisionally selling insurance or shoes. All of 'en loving nukes ... ) I am tired of dealing with them. I am sorry I brought up this topic. I did not get a ❤! ☹ Anyway, I will keep watching happily your videos, as I keep watching most all the other YT 'Astronauts' and Muskrat videos - then eviscerated the good ones with my best friend.

[@funkmonkeyfun]

Angry brought me here so i subbed! Good video, glad to see some people still have common sense.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Welcome!

[@joinedupjon]

10:12 "minimum three years or possibly the rest of their lives" internal commentary "...whichever is shorter"

[@Jonath_Raja]

can't they grow all they food they need on the spaceship?

[@HanSolo__]

This sort of dark humor speaks to me 😆👌

[@gildedpeahen876]

LMAOOO

[@gildedpeahen876]

@@Jonath_Raja you'd think the ISS would do that if it was feasible, considering how ridiculously expensive it is sending rockets to resupply the ISS.

[@deathworld5253]

@@gildedpeahen876 actually People don't do that for now because it's very hard to repurpose the station for new life support system based on plants. For that you basically need to build it from ground up, and currently there isn't much information on how plants behave and grow in this kind of environment over generations. Source: I'm currently busy with the course work on this theme. I can even supply you with some data on biological life support systems, but it will be in russian, hahahaha

[@KEB129]

Musk has deserved criticism for a long time. Your chanel is exactly what is needed! He is a science fiction guy with a lot of money to play with. He has very good and very bad ideas. Sometimes he is full of madness. But I like him! we need people like him and people like you!

[@DutchmanAmsterdam]

No, he is full of madness all the time. You're still buying into his bs for a large part. That is why you say that we need him. Time will tell.

[@KEB129]

@@DutchmanAmsterdam Falcon 9 and Crew Dragon is a pretty good achievement.

[@adugyamfikd1]

@@KEB129 exactly. And I am not a fan boy. Definitely not a Muskrat but he deserves some credit

[@conzmoleman]

He’s just a conman as far as I’m concerned. In the classic PT Barnum / Trump vein. Absolute geniuses at media and market manipulation, but very little else. And operating out of pure self interest.

[@GreenPlasticWaterCan]

@@adugyamfikd1 No, his team deserves credit. That being said, they were over time and over budget. Mainly because Musk put resources in the Solarcity scam.

[@ToxicJelly9]

Wow, I didn't realise how young your channel was until watching the intro to this video, congrats on growing to over 100k subs in just 3 years!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thanks for that - it's been a journey!

[@KEB129]

Point to point flights with Starship to save time is also madness. No mention of training and laud sonic booms near cities, and with no spacesuites and dangerous landings and without escape systems . . OMG!!

[@HalNordmann]

If you want to go somewhere really fast, take a supersonic plane. A revived Concorde flying in stratosphere would make much more sense.

[@jebes909090]

Listen, having 1000 trains drag an ocean liner with wheels across land is the hieght of efficiency.

[@sophialillian8508]

People apparently like the idea of a tech billionaire destroying various cities with rockets, just because rockets go brrrrrrrr.

[@seriousshenanigans7609]

From someone who helps schedule/execute ops on the ISS to collect Human Research Program (HRP) science data. I am glad that type of data/science is actually being referenced/used by the more general public. I feel like far too often people/private businesses are trying to reinvent the wheel or say how easy it is to make a new wheel when NASA or some other more mundane/boring sounding organization (boring compared to the public’s general perception of Space X) may have already spear headed that work and published data on it to benefit all. Love the channel and keep being skeptical of all things. Keeps us grounded in the reality around us to achieve what is actually possible at the fringe edges of our technology and to not throw money at false promises.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thank you so much for the feedback. Would be interested in hearing more about your work.

[@seriousshenanigans7609]

@@commonsenseskeptic I’m an Operations Controller (OC) at the Payload Operations & Integration Center (POIC). Not sure if links are allowed/work, but if so here is two KZbin videos that explains my work well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4CllaxobJeGfs0 & kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqnbfmRpo7Wsr6M

[@knownonsenseman8283]

@Common Sense Skeptic You stated near the end of the video that Mars' core stopped producing a magnetosphere 4 million years ago but I'm pretty certain it was 4 billion years.

[@fikko7703]

Your channel is addicting, it's so interesting seeing you debunk these idiots.

[@yixe2253]

This is a breath of fresh air...and I actually love starship & spacex.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thanks Yixe - glad to have you with us.

[@Cyber_Cowboy]

Just in case you needed a belly laugh. Angry Astronaut owes his "success" from a shout out from 2 The Future. 😂 I love it. I listen to this episode while working. my apologies if this was already mentioned in the video. Either way it's funnier the second time you hear it.

[@sheepwool9319]

all hail the white paper

[@phantomswordorpoo]

My god i found this channel from Thunderfoot , great contents , too funny to pass on. Watching your videos made my day. I think its better the expand the scope of your channel to whole space industry instead of targeting a lone eccentric man.

[@poiu477]

Elon's nothing special, but Thunderfoot and the Skeptic community are just as bad, thunderfoot especially. Thunderfoot's got a big hard on against women, probably because he looks the way he does and has trouble finding someone who would deal with his abrasiveness. anyone who identifies as an "anti-feminist" is fucked. He believes in gender essentialism and thinks hormones and sexual dimorphism are the reasons women are at a disadvantage in the workplace, instead of acknowledging very real misogyny.

[@poiu477]

He must have been rejected by some woman he built up an unreasonable image of in his head and probably blames the whole gender for it.

[@ateyaba7253]

@@poiu477 I disagree. 1. You don’t know him personally, you shouldn’t judge him or make any assumptions. (Neither should I.) 2. His theory about why woman are at a disadvantage in the workplace is not that stupid. Do I agree with it ? No, but neither do I disagree with it. It’s not such a bad theory. We all got rejected by a woman at some point, but do we all hate woman ? Of course not. It looks like you’re talking out of spite and not facts. If so, stop that.

[@poiu477]

@@ateyaba7253 He literally pushes neoconservative talking points and invalidates people's identities. And no, not spite, just look at the homie lmao

[@poiu477]

@@ateyaba7253 Thunderfoot's influence on the entire skeptic community has been real, profound, and wholly destructive.

[@ross4814]

I have been binge watching the hell out of your channel. Cheers, keep up the great work.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thanks, will do!

[@onlyscams]

Excellent rebuttal piece as usual

[@NEWBkiller646]

Glad I've found this channel, great content and a great community

[@blameyourself4489]

Boah! I'm happy to have found someone who actually knows how to think rational. I just subscribed. Thank you!!!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Welcome aboard!

[@blameyourself4489]

@@commonsenseskeptic Thank you :-)

[@thesnitch7]

Excellent video and a great return to form after a shocker last time out with the test flight where you really did come off like an enemy verses a skeptic.

[@donyakusa9187]

You guys know your stuff and do your homework. Keep up the good work!👍

[@robertlane6431]

"Space herpes",... REALLY!?!? I have no doubts about the validity of this, it's just that it brought forth a long forgotten memory from my childhood. I remember some odd ball movie set in space and "space herpes" was a a thing. They were little creatures of some sort if memory serves. I believe it was a comedy of some sort but I think I was still very young so I don't have a full recall of it, but now I am going to have to go look through obscure movies from the early 80s until I find it. So yea, thanks for pushing my OCD button making me spend however long it's going to take to find it because if I don't, I won't be able to stop thinking about it lol.

[@jonbecherer5103]

Nice work, I believe spacex might hire you one day if you keep this up

[@dirremoire]

You mean to silence him?

[@divedevil985]

I was losing hope in mass / social media to present factual information. This is my favorite channel now. I'm simply amazed that anyone would be more interested in debunking the bandwagon claims than being clickbait for pay. Thank You...keep up the great work!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thank you for the feedback, and appreciating the effort required in being the contrarian channel these subjects require.

[@divedevil985]

@@commonsenseskeptic I thought I was a voice in the wilderness. Keep up the great work. Later I will PM you the experience that happened at KSC with Musk and some information you may not know about Crew dragon. Regards.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

@@divedevil985 sounds great! [e-mail] when you’ve got time.

[@divedevil985]

@@commonsenseskeptic that's what I was looking for. Thank You.

[@technoman9000]

I was a rocket scientist in a former life and I love this channel!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Fantastic :)

[@404notfoundbyrenatogomez6]

I'm glad I found this channel, I'm subscribed now!

[@livingexcuse3767]

Actually if you take the most up to date starship design where the oxygen header tank is on the top of the starship, the total possible pressurized volume falls to 687m^3 so instead of 17 your looking more like 12 people max, that's barely double the ISS.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Good pick up. Also completely negates the famous atrium.

[@benoitgermanier8815]

1100 cubic meters minus 15 cubic meters is 1085 cubic meters. So yes the standard fairing design is 687m3 but that's not because of the header tank.

[@CringeSeekers]

You are truly... Mr Big brain, thank you for knowledge

[@HanSolo__]

Great episode! Love the idea!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@elorea]

you have changed my view about angry, i was a loyal watcher but i researched myself and you are so right!!

[@StinkPickle4000]

Swweeeeet!! I love crossover episodes!

[@aperfecttool257]

I worked for a hydroponic tomato farm. They are awful to grow. I worked for a biologist who also had a chemistry major. They're extremely susceptible to changes in fertilizer and temperature. Oh and the stalks are acidic and cause blisters for some people, so that's fun.

[@00BillyTorontoBill]

just checked ...his video is down....unavailable. So, the debunk took hold and then some.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Interesting!

[@A.R.77]

Funny, I found CSS via Angry's site. Good score. Good work.

[@Patmccalk]

One thing I find always gets neglected to be considered (which I appreciate you touching on at the end), what would people on mars do with their dead in musk’s dream world? Like, people die all the time, do we expect burials to be easy? And if it goes to cremation, isn’t it a proposed closed air habitation unit? “Smell that? Love me some toasty human in the air!”

[@commonsenseskeptic]

In a system, where resources are scarce, we would expect the bodies to be 'harvested' for their raw materials. Isn't THAT something to ponder?

[@Patmccalk]

@@commonsenseskeptic that was another way to look at it I had considered, just felt it was a bit morbid, but when it comes down to it ethics would dictate it necessary in terms of keeping others alive.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

@@Patmccalk Yep, a little morbid, but in one manner or another the dead always feed the living.

[@Tordogor]

You plasma-torch any organics, includibg corpses. So you get a mix of gaseous elements (O2,CO, CO2, H2O, CH4, etc) to reprocess chemically. No odors, no bones, no ashes.

[@Patmccalk]

@@Tordogor but you gotta consider the massive energy requirements of that, if you’re putting that much energy into disposal of a valuable resource you’d be at a net loss Edit: I see I misread what you first put, yes you’d likely get gasses for reprocessing but that’s still extremely energy intensive and would require a lot of effort to isolate/separate the desired compounds

[@WaywardWhiteWalker]

I am subscribed to Jordan's channel. I find some glimmers of insight every now and then, but, yeah, he has some hard-to-swallow takes. But lately its been his full-on about the aliens everywhere and interstellar asteroids are spaceships that concern me. Those are birds and wether balloons my man.

[@timfreedman873]

Keep up the great work.

[@k.sullivan6303]

Be careful Skep! Marvin is getting very ANGRY... Very angry indeed!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

We don’t bother watching him any more - what’s his beef?

[@davidsoom1551]

Please debunk Jixuan and Sebastian, These guys need light shinned upon them!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thunder foot smashed them on the rocks nicely about two months ago. Did you catch that episode?

[@davidsoom1551]

@@commonsenseskeptic No, but I will now. Thanks, just found your site. You guys are great and well needed at this time. Keep going strong. Love it.

[@KEB129]

They are very young and very naiv, but I like them a lot!

[@davidsoom1551]

@@KEB129 How can you stand the guys voice. Pushy and long winded.

[@OliverGrumitt]

The Common Sense Sceptic is right that the more times Starship flies and the more often it flies the more chance of a catastrophic failure and disaster. Preparing a rocket - any rocket - for launch requires hard work and meticulous attention to detail so that any faults on the rocket can be detected and corrected. The more often it launches, the more chance a potentially catastrophic fault will be overlooked and not corrected. I have heard that it is planned to launch 125 or so Starships in 2026 and, let’s say as an example Starship has a launch failure rate of about 1 in 300. That is a very low failure rate for a rocket - but it still means chances are very high Starship will have a catastrophic failure after only a little more than 2 years or so. Would you want to fly in a rocket that has no crew or passenger escape system and has a failure as often as every 2 years? The answer is obvious - anyone sensible would say thank you for the offer, but NO THANK YOU.

[@plainText384]

Let's be real, Starship won't be flying any crew in 2026. First crew on Starship will probably be on the Artemis 3 HLS, and at this point it's not looking like that will happen in 2026. And even if 1 in 300 uncrewed starships were to fail, that doesn't mean the odds would be the same for crewed vehicles. It's entirely possible to put extra effort into making sure a system is safe when astronauts are on board.

[@OzearEimaj]

I'm glad you made this, I found one of Angry's videos and I was shocked to see that his views on the Blue Origin HLS were largely focusing on the fact it used a ladder (!) and that leaving spent stages behind is inherently a bad idea. It seems too many people are prepared to look at the way SpaceX does things - which are good, don't get me wrong, it's great to finally have reusability - and think that "this is the ONLY way in which things are/should be done!"

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Ladder has no moving parts, and StarShip requires a 90’ cable crane to get to the surface. THAT sounds ridiculous!

[@OzearEimaj]

@@commonsenseskeptic My thoughts exactly! I can't believe the amount of flak Blue Origin and ULA get for simply not being SpaceX...

[@aluisiofsjr]

@@OzearEimaj , also Blue Origin is way safer on landing because the crew module is ejectable. If the Starship landing legs or the fuel tank failed on the Moon... well good luck with that!

[@KevinBalch-dt8ot]

I was inspired to be an engineer by the Apollo project. But Artemis seems to be a political stunt with a heaping helping of PC and huge loads of government contracts. Like a lot of boomers, I have some some nostalgia for returning to the moon but have zero enthusiasm for Artemis. I doubt the project will escape the huge budget and social problems we are and will face. The great artwork will be with us, however!

[@zambani]

@@KevinBalch-dt8ot And also I'm willing to bet that that the Artemis project will last just as long as Apollo. A few missions here and there, then it will stop after the waiter brings the check.

[@AzureSky6612]

Just discovered this channel. Great stuff!

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Thanks for checking us out!

[@IllPropaganda]

What a treat for the new year! Nothing greater than seeing a really good systematic debunking!

[@sumitdhawan1984]

You guys are GREAT, please make more videos

[@mpazinambao2938]

Elon reminds me of a child thinking of running away to an unrealistic fantasy to escape his problems.

[@bretmohler9719]

his problems like...if i don't distract investors with another regurgitated old idea that was proved dead in the water 60 years ago i wont be able to keep my Ponzi scheme going.

[@noway8233]

Its reminds me a con man

[@PrincessPattyPumpkin]

I came to your channel from Whitlock. So glad I did. Binge watching and enjoying it all. I subscribed right your appearance. So glad to see an increase in subs since I joined. Keep it up. So looking forward to next Tate video. 😊

[@stekra3159]

Happy new year

[@Folomus]

Great video! Love how you use public sources and simple math to prove your points. Just one small correction. We don't technically need a magnetosphere in mars, "just" a way to shield Mars from solar radiation, which could theoretically be done with other solutions. Still, nothing we could design with our current or near technology (or at the needed scale).

[@engineeredlifeform]

When I was a kid I was given one of those 'The Future!' type books, which amongst many other things that have failed to materialise, were undersea colonies. I was a massive fan of Jacques Cousteau, as he had a TV series back then,.. but even so, I did wonder what people that lived under the sea would do, and why, and how that all fit in with life on the surface. So, fast forward to now, and we're hearing the same story, just set in a different location. There's no financial gain in undersea colonies, and we don't have them just because it would be cool to have one. So, why is this Mars colony any different?

[@chaosincarnate7304]

You are downplaying the actual size of space right now. The oceans cannot even compare to the size of the sky. Space is hard to get to and there is not many things near the Earth besides Mars, ocean is filled with bunch of different resources all in small quantities but nothing unique or mind boggling. Space on the other hand has huge variety of resources and anomalies that should be investigated and could and have before proven to be useful to us. Mars could serve as a second home for us because we are destroying Earth currently. And it could even hold the signs of life since it used to have water.

[@engineeredlifeform]

@@chaosincarnate7304 Er, no. I don't think you grasp how solar systems form. I'll give you a clue,... all planets formed from the same cloud of debris spread around by a star going supernova..... and that supernova forged the heavy elements, they are not formed in planets. Mars is in no way feasible as a second home, that's absurd. It would need terraforming, meaning it would need an atmosphere, meaning it would need a magnetic field,.... and it hasn't got one,..... so no. Go look up 'Biosphere 2' and realise just how difficult maintaining a closed ecosystem is,.... it failed on Earth FFS.

[@chaosincarnate7304]

@@engineeredlifeform I'm not talking about the variety of resources in our solar system. I'm talking in the majority of space. Lets not forget asteroids that don't necessarily come from our system. Also Mars could still be feasible even if we can't terraform it. We could live in huge Mars bases that are already in the proper environment for humans to live in.

[@engineeredlifeform]

@@chaosincarnate7304 Have you ever seen a periodic table? If so, just what do you expect to find in any significant, accessible quantity that we do not have on Earth? And you Mars fantasy,..... you still haven't researched Biosphere 2, have you?

[@chaosincarnate7304]

​@@engineeredlifeform Dude what is with you and Biosphere? It's pseudo-scientific and I just said it won't matter if we won't be able to terraform Mars it's still useful to us. And stop pretending Earth's resources are infinite either. Resources on Earth are running out and if we don't find a way to get a plan B we might as well all just fly into the sun. 16 Psyche for example could set us up for most of the resources we need for the next millions of years if we can get there. If you want the human race to die on Earth than that's cool but stop kicking the idea around as if it has no merit to it. It does.

[@isavedtheuniverse]

Great video, I've been binging all of them lately. I would like to even further expand on your final point a little bit. I'm a SpaceX fan. Ignoring Musk for a moment, I really like some of what SpaceX has been up to. I am also skeptical by nature, of Musk, of SpaceX, of NASA, of this channel. But what really absolutely chaps me is this idea that somehow SpaceX needs fans and allies. If they are competent engineers and business people then they will succeed, whether or not I like them or criticize them. If they are incompetent on either front then they won't be successful, whether or not Angry has his head up Musk's backside. Its almost like Musk knows he's putting on a show and without fans the show can't go on and everyone like Angry just completely plays into it.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Some good points here, and we'll echo them. We (The Skeptics at large) are not the reason why these programs are unsuccessful to date. If the machines worked properly, if the claims were reasonable, if the machine could even fit 100 people as promised, we wouldn't have anything to pick apart. But the machines aren't working properly. The claims of colonizing Mars are not reasonable. It can't fit 100 people. So, we have our work cut out for us holding those making the claims to account.

[@bjarnivalur6330]

"My last video of 2020" Uploaded Jan 1, 2021. All jokes aside, good video.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Took FOREVER to upload!

[@jazzlover10000]

VPN he used was in Asia maybe? Hehe.

[@katharinejacobs7765]

Thanks for highlighting ULA!

[@bronzedivision]

I'd love deep dive videos on the power issues of Starship as well as one on heat mitigation. They're obviously closely related but I think you can find enough COMEDY in Musk's oversights to get two videos out of them. :P -Power is an obvious shortcoming of Starship as the ISS needs a football field worth of solar panels to keep 6 people and some laptops mostly cozy. But Starship has 15 times the energy demands, and no apparent way to meet any of them.... For power; Musk sometimes hand-waves solar power, but he's never shown a practical installation on Starship or Mars in any of his silly promo videos. And Mars has HALF the solar flux of Earth so a power source that already takes up too much space and tonnage will need double. Then the issue of panels becoming dirty and decaying needs to be considered. As well as the normal shortcomings of solar PV, such as nighttime and general unreliably as Mars does have (just barely) enough weather to cloud them over. The answer of course is nuclear power as NASA is well and fully aware of; as is anyone who's ever written a SciFi novel. Because energy density matters and reliability can't be compromised when people are on the line. Colonists can't 'shutdown' for the night the way a model car sized rover can. But Musk is somewhere between unaware or entirely dismissive of the subject of nuclear power. But his Starships can't carry the payload of all the solar PV panels they'd need. And long term the complex manufacturing that those PV cells require means his colony won't be self sufficient for generations. Also batteries are rather more than a bit heavy which is a problem for rockets Musk has seemingly forgotten about. Heavy as well is the second (double sized) set of solar panels that well be needed to charge the batteries since the first set can't run the colony and charge the batteries on the same day at the same time. And the labor that'll be needed to deploy and maintain their planned solar array is frightening. Yet they never consider nuclear power, even when solar clearly does nothing but present a mountain of diminishing returns. Which is silly since nuclear energy is the thing that allows submarines to have unprecedented amounts of utter and complete freedom underwater for over 100 men; and submarines are one of the most popular incorrect proxies for Starship used by Musk fanboys. Ergo there's really no excuse to not make the connection between nuclear power and 'options' for far flung ships of bases. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_system_of_the_International_Space_Station www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/kilopower -Heat mitigation doesn't seem to be of any concern at all to the 'experts' at SpaceX. Yet, it's a fundamental and challenging aspect of spacecraft design really one of the key reasons 'rocket science' is used as a euphemism for difficult. It looks at first glance as if the Starship colonists are going to bake themselves alive in their own ships before they leave orbit. There's no convection or conduction in space, and you can only radiate 'SO much...' with their ships surface area... So with a crew of 100 100W space heaters that are running even when they're sleeping plus many hundreds of watts of other machinery and computers; Where is it all going to go? Also such a heat management system will be VOLUMINOUS as demanded by the usually reliable Laws of Thermodynamics. Since they're already short of space and the nose cone of Starships is filled to the brim I don't see much room to squeeze in radiator fins, heat pipes and other needful accouterments fro the job of not dying in the suddenly oddly hot void of space. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacecraft_thermal_control en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_Active_Thermal_Control_System

[@bronzedivision]

@@johntheux9238 You're just layering optimism on top of speculation, at best.

[@KevinBalch-dt8ot]

Speaking of thermal management, it looks like in all the artwork I’ve seen shows Starship with a very large window area. That’s going to present a challenge to heat/cool.

[@saumyacow4435]

The power requirements to support Starship launches on Mars is what staggers me.

[@saumyacow4435]

@@johntheux9238 Double that figure to allow for the lower solar radiation on Mars. Then factor in availability (dust storms). Then factor in energy storage. Then add in the power processing, delivery and cabling. Then factor in the power needed to operate mining machinery (which may involve conversion to chemical carriers of energy) and the robotics needed to repair and maintain. Plus all the wearing parts that are going to have to be shipped from Earth.

[@Tordogor]

Excellent realistic analysis! Nice to find a YT where the owner and (most) of the comnenters know their STEM! 👍

[@ethakis]

I’d like to believe that one day we’ll terraform Mars, but it’s not gonna happen in my lifetime. I think it’s possible that in my lifetime humans will have a permanent presence on the moon, but beyond that, I think it’s unlikely

[@1911Earthling]

Thank you I was yelling at my wife in a most unscientific way that I thought each musk pronouncement was nuts. But not being a scientist I was tongue tied. Thank you for making me justified in my misgivings. I don’t like anything about him. Henry ford published racist books!

[@ArticulatedHypernova]

Your stuff is great to binge.

[@kylewollman2239]

Idea for a possible future video: Compare the Eco-friendliness of purchasing a brand new EV versus purchasing a used ICE vehicle. I'm curious if the 'green' thing to do when purchasing a vehicle is to get an EV or just purchase a second hand gas vehicle. I decided to do the latter for cost purposes and the difficulty of charging an EV while living in an apartment, but I also think that getting used things is almost always more environmentally friendly than getting new things, and I wonder if I'm wrong about that when it comes to EVs vs ICE.

[@KevinBalch-dt8ot]

My son had a 2015 Prius. He was involved in what looked like a minor accident. I was shocked when the repair shop said it was a total loss because the battery/case was damaged and the battery would have to be replaced. I had a Prius myself for 12 years and loved it. But our next car was a (used) standard ICE.

[@bronzedivision]

Many people have made that video, as well as every other form of media, and the numbers are very close. I personally am unimpressed by EV for a laundry list of reasons. But I think the most telling thing is that the hard core fans of EV's who are obviously baking their numbers can still only come up with slight advantages to the lifetime emissions over ICE. So even if they're correct, it's not worth the hype.

[@oxybenzol9254]

"purchasing a brand new EV versus purchasing a used ICE vehicle" People like to buy news cars and they like to buy F-150. So what you decide doesnt matter. The problem is people just dont care.

[@OzearEimaj]

I looked into this myself and did a rudimentary analysis a few months ago; depending on the cleanliness (in terms of CO2 per kWh) of the electricity grid of the country and the assumed CO2 produced per kg of battery, EVs *CAN* be more environmentally friendly if comparing to similarly sized ICE cars. Countries like Norway and France have very clean grids due to their dependence on hydro and nuclear respectively, so owning an EV is quite a "green" option if you can drive it for 5-10 years without any major repairs/replacements. In countries like Poland, the electricity mix is dominated by coal and an EV will most likely pollute more than an ICE car over it's lifetime. I don't want to go into specifics as I haven't done enough work on this recently, but it is safe to say in countries with clean electricity mixes, owning an EV is a comparatively more eco-friendly option.

[@kylewollman2239]

@@OzearEimaj cool thanks!

[@Alphabet7]

I'm addicted to your Channel I've been binge watching it forever I was here under 20,000 heck 17,000 see you at a million

[@piker78]

oooo-hohohoh, that's called wiping the floor :D

[@fazergazer]

The indoor sunglasses must be to protect Angry from the light of reality

[@petrus4]

Skeptic, even more than your rigour, the main thing I appreciate about this channel is that while there is some humour, actual mockery is pretty much non-existent. That seems to be almost unique, sadly.

[@Czeckie]

you have no idea how refreshing is this video, especially when youtube is filled with semi-literate musk sycophantic techbros

[@sobando2966]

Thanks to him i found and subscribed to your channel.

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Best case scenario, right there - thanks for checking us out!

[@MrZielonyzx]

Me too ;-)

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

"we rounded it up to 425"... a lost opportunity there.

[@davidsoom1551]

A trip to Mars on Elon's Starship would be like going to prison for 9 months then ending with the rest of your life working on a chain gang. How cool is that Muskrats?

[@benoitgermanier8815]

Starship could go to mars in 3 months. In fact it has enough propellant to go to mars in 2 months but would burn in the atmosphere, 3 months is the best the heatshield can take.

[@davidsoom1551]

@@benoitgermanier8815 Then why does it BLOW UP on every flight it's had??? Elon will not even get one man on Mars. You don't understand Solar and Cosmic Radiation! Starshit doesn't have any protection. In fact it has no insides, it's a tin can with three rocket that always screw up and ends in a crash. Elon is a CONMAN!

[@benoitgermanier8815]

@@davidsoom1551 Why are you suddenly talking about reliability? I was talking about capability which is given by the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation. There is about 4 times more cosmic rays in deep space than in low earth orbit so 3 months in starship is like 1 year in the ISS, which has already been done.

[@koboldparty4708]

Minor correction: you probably don't HAVE to restart Mars' core to generate a magnetosphere. Research suggests that an artificial one is quite doable, though I haven't found anything on how expensive it would be (very, of course).

[@mariusvanc]

Another "minor" correction, Mars' core cooled some 4 BILLION years ago (although it could have possibly effectively lasted another few 100 million years), not 4 MILLION years. It's still thought to be liquid, but is not active enough to generate a global magnetic field.

[@NipapornP]

People, who show mostly them self, instead of facts about the topic, were always suspicious for me, and again it proved right. Just realize: We don't see much of Thunderf00t himself in his videos, but we have to watch Sebastian & "Miss China" for nearly every sentence they speak in their videos! I really appreciate, that in your videos, we only get presentation material of facts and data, although I wouldn't mind to see you as well a few times! It's just about the ratio! ;)

[@commonsenseskeptic]

Maybe in the future :)

[@maekong2010]

Musk is Trump 2.0 with all the currently available upgrades in stupidity. As my used-car salesman stepfather used to say, "There's an ass for every seat." He wasn't right about much, but he was right about that. Musk could strap a bunch of lawn chairs to a pallet of TNT and announce it was launching to mars, and he'd sell every seat.

[@KevinBalch-dt8ot]

Stoners might make great martian colonists since they have experience with growing their weed indoors under artificial conditions. If they include weed, the stress of living in a confined space for a prolonged period might be more manageable. The only drawback is when they get the munchies.

[@jazzlover10000]

When you crunch on a snack in space, nobody can hear you munch.

[@harshsharma03]

Didn't have to get all personal lol, shows a lack of good character.

[@AncientAbsWisdom]

I was amazed by the Mars claims you highlighted. Laughable. Cheers CSS

[@employiqueanonyme3890]

a few plants like beans can also get Nitrogen from the air. Anyway, no Nitrogen (actually, 1.89% of a 6.36 mbar pressure) in Mars' atmosphere. Thanks for your work and happy new year.

[@saumyacow4435]

Yeah well you've got put nitrogen into the air in the first place. But you do make a good point. There is enough nitrogen in the Martian atmosphere to make it worthwhile harvesting for life support. (there's also a modest amount of oxygen once you've gotten that far)

[@tahustvedt]

This is great. I enjoyed the Starship tests, but always felt it seemed too good to be true.

[@HalNordmann]

Yeah, compared to Starship, even the initial promises of the Space Shuttle pale in comparison. The Shuttle was supposed to fly approximately weekly and only serve as crew/cargo transport and satellite servicing vehicle. Starship is promising to fly daily, do literally everything space-related and then some. And it is supposed to cost less than an airliner?!