Debunking the Free Stuff Kennedy Meme | The Diatribe

[@CynicalHistorian]

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[@CynicalHistorian]

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[@CynicalHistorian]

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[@CynicalHistorian]

*References* Jefferson Cowie, _The Great Exception: The New Deal and the Limits of American Politics_ (Princeton, N.Jer.: Princeton University Press, 2016). amzn.to/2ZbPOar Karen M. Tani, _States of Dependency: Welfare, Rights, and American Governance, 1935-1972_ (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 2016). amzn.to/2ScI0n2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Frontier en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal_coalition en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Deal

[@Sk0lzky]

Don't play it, I failed an exam session because of it wasting a year of my life [*]

[@varana]

@@ProfessionalScofflaw No, we cannot divorce ideas from those who proposed them. Because with the idea, we borrow the whole mindset and world view that generated that idea and constitutes the prerequisites on which the idea stands. "When you believe something is right or wrong, true or false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced", as one moderately famous guy once said. ;)

[@MoonatikYT]

History is just politics that has already happened.

[@williamfrancis5367]

politics x time since occurred = History

[@ornos3133]

Moonatik thanks friend for making a new quote to remember.

[@atlantefou566]

History is just politics, science, art... that has already happened. In other words, it's hstory. :p

[@a.n.l.aantineoliberalismas4504]

If so why doseant the US have an healthcare system

[@ornos3133]

Traian Daoaga delayed, watered down and blocked

[@CuriousBiscuit]

I can't get over the word "globohomo", it sounds as if a kid from middle school is trying to make fun of you because you didn't go to his birthday party.

[@eazy8579]

It does. It's the dumbest insult I've ever heard.

[@nonglishq6727]

@Sean The shape of the earth is a oblate spheroid.

[@hellboy6507]

It means “global homosexual agenda”. It was popularized by the Belarusian President.

[@chonchjohnch]

Historic Biscuit it’s a contraction for “globalist homosexual”

[@NyJoanzy]

@@chonchjohnch oh. I thought it was people who thought we hadn't colonized Mars yet. I'm not apologizing for a pun that bad.

[@StoutProper]

That moon race was probably the most expensive free stuff ever

[@hubertblastinoff9001]

Imagine if the big powers had been in a race to build the fastest trains...

[@StoutProper]

Hubert Blastinoff the world would be a far better place

[@sebastianpirela7329]

Hubert Blastinoff Or the fastest Airplanes, Ships, etc. Travel would be so much faster

[@antonioklaic4839]

@@brealistic3542 conspiracy theories are bogus. Don't watch shady youtubers for easily debunked "proof" of condpiracy theories. What certification does a moronic yputuber and their more moronic audience have over scientists and actual experts? Anti-intellectual imbeciles

[@antonioklaic4839]

@Michael Kevin Millet he was an astrpnomer and scientist. Not a wackjob feeding bullshit to people who want to seem smart. Conspiracy theorists will go to insane lenghts to justify their dumb brliefs. They always ask "hehe if moon landing was rael why did/didn't NASA do this XD LMAO 1111!!1!!1!1" but if you took a second to look it up you find a simple answer if you bother to look. It's just that they're too dumb and their youtube simp target told them otherwise. I usually dismiss these people as idiots and move on but I am so angry people like that have to exist. It's not critical thinking. Parroting a youtuber who says fake facts and trivia isn't thinking. Just copying. I can counter any claim you make off my own knowledge, or by looking it up on google for a minute.

[@Sk0lzky]

>radical liberalism >doesn't even make sense Wouldn't it be just libertarianism tho?

[@blackearl7891]

Technically it is though

[@dancingzorbas]

>liberalism >radical

[@Sk0lzky]

@@destynova4512 not the actual, historical liberalism though. So called classical liberalism. Americans generally use the word "liberal" in a wrong way, liberal doesn't mean "leftie". The difference is mostly lack of hostility towards the state and general acceptance for some governmental programs.

[@rubenvo3627]

*makes early 1800s revolutionary noises*

[@Sk0lzky]

@@rubenvo3627 *cuts of fellow revolutionary's head*

[@yesid17]

14:45 how is it free if we're literally paying for it-are public roads free stuff? fire departments? public school? we pay for these things through taxes it's literally not free

[@jayfrank1913]

Taxes, what else? Every civilized society and even the U.S. has taxes wherein everyone chips in according to their means. And if you don't think the poor pay taxes, you're wrong. They pay a much higher proportion of their incomes toward taxes than the rich do. Especially sales tax.

[@cv4809]

"Free" is a buzzword they sell to the public to make the policy more attractive and appealing, welcome to politics

[@hellboy6507]

Yeah no shit it isn’t free. It’s a public service.

[@sebastianpirela7329]

John Brakes Imagine if their were no taxes 🤔

[@MajorMlgNoob]

She's saying they're public goods and not "free stuff" she isn't denying they're tax payer funded

[@animegandalf8690]

To be honest alot of this stuff seems very typical for american politics. Like comparing liberalism and socialism, or calling liberals as socialists. In several European countries and in many other countries as well, liberalism is right wing or centre. Not left wing as it seems to be in America

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

@stockart whiteman American politics works along lines of 'more government authority over the streets and economy and less over the individual' (the Democrats) and 'more government authority over how the individual lives and less over the economy and states' (the Republicans). 'Liberal' in our context refers to how much the government is allowed to determine about a person's gender, choice of dress, marriage decisions, and etc, which our conservatives want to control and our liberals want to disregard completely.

[@isaach.1135]

@@dashiellgillingham4579 meh?... even this definition gets a little weird when you can consider being both a liberal while holding conservative values. And even stranger when considering the classical form of liberalism where believing the government should have limited control in both the economy and social issues. And it gets even stranger when you consider "progressivism" (whatever the duce that means... the idea of creating law to protect specific groups of people). Like minority quotas and anti-discrimination laws for LGBTQ+ community. These sort of laws are not necessarily liberal per say, but rather, progressive. An argument could be made that by the government making these kinds of laws, it ISN'T liberal as it's government reaching into social issues and making laws there. On the other hand, an argument could be made that these laws ARE liberal as they liberate (not the same term and different definitions but with a similar root) these individuals and thus protects the rights of these groups.

[@nathanbruce1992]

@stockart whiteman they both believe in a free market, classless society. Although one tries to use government programs to level out the opportunity disparity between rich and poor (modern liberals) while the other views redistribution as unjust (modern conservatives). This is how we learned it in my american political science class anyway

[@MrConstantine02]

What Europeans call "liberals", Americans know as "libertarians". It's a stupid name, I agree, but there it is.

[@jeffbenton6183]

@@MrConstantine02 I was looking for this reply; it really is as simple as that. A change in meaning of the word "liberal" goes back to FDR (I think). My understanding is that American historians and political scientists prefer to call FDR's liberalism "social liberalism" and libertarianism "classical liberalism."

[@Viperzka]

God I want some new deal coalition back. Let's get back to a place where we measure our success as a nation by how well we can take care of our people.

[@jonathangeorge787]

When you pay taxes to the govt and get services like healthcare in return, then universal healthcare is not free stuff. It's your money that funds public goods.

[@hs5312]

Not everyone one who would receive would pay in. A drug addict wouldn't work and universal health care system would receive it without paying

[@upulor744]

HS A drug addict will receive rehabilitation. Which is good for society because it helps them get back on their feet and contribute to the system.

[@hs5312]

@@upulor744 there are some who never get back on their feet. Also there are some people who don't work a day in their life.

[@jeannebouwman1970]

So because there are some fringe cases of people never being able to get back we should screw them all?

[@mattrussell8309]

what the hell are talking about taxes don't pay for anything they go into a incinerator to prevent inflation the USA's economic system runs on modern monetary theory.

[@hiptydiptateejack8712]

*Someone speaks of Wilson in a good fashion* *A CyincalHistorian has been thrown in the ring* Wilsooon!!!

[@hellboy6507]

Wilson was based and a good President. -brought to you by the Wilson gang

[@hiptydiptateejack8712]

@@hellboy6507 I was about to get jumpy by this comment, but I actually read the whole thing afterwards. XD

[@hellboy6507]

HiptyDiptatee Jack lol

[@hiptydiptateejack8712]

@@hellboy6507 My bad. :)

[@iammrbeat]

What a radical AOC is, arguing for public roads and a fire department. FREE STUFF.

[@BcroG11]

Yeah, as a European I am watching the Democratic primary election in absolute shock. In America, publicly financed healthcare and higher education is apparently communism. Didn't know...

[@fremenchips]

Not even close, why not trying reading what she wants in HR109 www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text

[@BenAHowell754]

Open borders in conjunction with medicare for all, including illegal immigrants, is pretty radical.

[@varana]

@@fremenchips Apart from points like "guaranteeing all Americans a job", which is utopian, most of this sounds very ambitious, but in its goals pretty standard for Green politics around the world. It also has jack squat to do with communism, but that was to be expected.

[@fremenchips]

​@@varana I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that half the bill weren't built around trying to justify a job guarantee. Look at the all the times the bill says this will create millions of high paying green jobs, and remember that Obama said the same thing in 2008. Also by pretty standard for Green politics around the world what you really should says is pretty standard for Western Europe as Green politics don't have any real popular power outside of there.

[@varana]

Historical memes distorting history. In other news, water is wet.

[@UlyseesSGrantGaming]

Really?!

[@EmperorTigerstar]

That first five minutes was beautiful.

[@CynicalHistorian]

psst, everyone looking at the replies, this man's colluding with me - that postmodern neomarxist!

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

Emperor Tigerstar, could you do a "locations of the political parties on a political compass chart: every year" video?

[@eragonlindemann7236]

John Whitesell thatd probably very rough as well due to its natural inclination lib right

[@nicholaslee5880]

probably one of my favorite portions of any video he's done. cypher should definitely do more memes on the page. keep the mood light. lolol

[@bakist5540]

@@CynicalHistorian careful your ripping on a president everyone likes lmao

[@Synthprayer]

You know, when I was growing up in elementary school that quote was in almost every classroom. I would ask what that quote meant, and teachers would respond with "it means to volunteer " or "he was a great man, just embrace the quote". Never heard the full speech till high school.

[@jupiterkansas]

well, it does mean to volunteer.

[@Synthprayer]

@@jupiterkansas just stating what I grew up with. Some people knew what it meant, others were just don't question just embrace it.

[@ashesofempires04]

@@jupiterkansas To volunteer, but not just for the military. Kennedy founded the Peace Corps, and he wanted it to be a representative example of America to the world. His goal was to build soft power through it.

[@alfredorotondo]

Lol this quote whas in my history book at the end of the middle school but the teacher jumped that because wasn't so important

[@liamtahaney713]

That Kennedy quote always bugged me. I do a lot for my country. I pay my taxes. Thats more than enough. They can't even pave the roads.

[@rnrailproductions5049]

In Pennsylvania it takes over a fucking year to pave 100 meters of a road....

[@omegaman6770]

Pennsylvania roads are the WORST ! ! The State even came up Last in a survey of truckers who drive around the country ! When asked what state had the worst roads these truckers almost all said Pennsylvania !

[@daudkhan2926]

I know it’s been a while since this comment was written but I’ll still write this for future readers, doing things for your country means for the people, helping the men and women in your area and beyond that, for that is how one becomes a patriot, working with the people of country to make it better. While he may have been talking about the Vietnam which I believe he was, I don’t think we can just remove the meaning of the quote because of that.

[@JackRackam]

About 3 years late to this discussion, but I wonder: if that many influential presidents from Teddy to FDR to Kennedy all supported universal healthcare, what happened? Was this something Congress never got behind? Did the details take over half a century to iron out? Was the thinking that the time was never quite right?

[@CynicalHistorian]

Congress was eternally opposed. I can't say why everyone said no, but the vast majority of contemporary explanations hinge on red-baiting

[@JackRackam]

@@CynicalHistorian Thanks!

[@CynicalHistorian]

For everyone saying "hate speech is free speech" - you can't coerce publication. a comments section is a private forum. learn what free speech is before advocating it . Here's a libertarian magazine on precisely how trying to coerce publication is anti-free speech: reason.com/2020/02/26/pragerus-attempt-to-violate-youtubes-1st-amendment-rights-shot-down-by-9th-circuit-court-of-appeals/

[@Sk0lzky]

Hate speech is free speech but you can kick unwanted guests from your property - by force if needed

[@veastark6045]

@@soarel325 But none of these platforms are public spaces. What you are proposing is forcing these tech giants to host your opinions at their cost. Which you can't do. I could understand worry and protest if it were about infrastructure providers but not about platforms.

[@KarlWinterling]

There hasn't been any systematic suppression of conservative opinion on KZbin. Conservative and pro-Trump videos are easy to find. The suppression that's happened targets a wide variety of different videos, seemingly not based on their ideological content but more on whether they mention "controversial" topics like war.

[@Sk0lzky]

@@KarlWinterling that. And politics in general. Everybody who knows anything about the stuff (people like Sargon of Akkad or Kyle Kulinski) say openly that both them and the opposite side are being heavily suppressed and openly discouraged from even trying. The only difference is that wokeratti tend to abuse the new harassment policy while shitlords are too disorganised or grew fucking roots on their "higher moral ground" to do that properly + rules of conduct favour the progressive lense - which doesn't matter in terms of content suppression or promotion of "authoritative sources" (similar word to authoritarian, don't confu... Actually scrap that, gatekeeping the access to information is authoritarian xD) over independent (and often more ethical and reliable) creators. Tldr we're all fucked long live the CNBC and FOX

[@the_exegete]

@@soarel325 What the hell does that have to do with an individual creator curating their own channel? KZbin is happy to allow nazi shit. It's this channel run by a free individual disallowing nazi shit that has you mad here.

[@frankguy6843]

I love how you more or less stay pretty neutral, not let your personal feelings get in the way... Until Wilson is brought up

[@CynicalHistorian]

Can't stay neutral with that guy, 😆

[@snorecore5447]

WILSOOOON

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Wilson doesn't deserve to be praised (except for a FEW minor economic policies). His social and foreign policies were below F tier bad.

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

*WilSOOOOOOON!!!*

[@UlyseesSGrantGaming]

Wilson..... *WILSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON*

[@MrJ1S]

I hope you stay off FB to maintain your sanity. The disinformation spread through memes is incredible "well they put words on a picture... must be true"

[@iammrbeat]

Perhaps Jordan Peterson should watch this video.

[@Ma_ksi]

Isn't he in a Russian hospital unconscious?

[@DaglasVegas]

my thoughts exactly.

[@brotlowskyrgseg1018]

Excuse me, it's Doctor Peterson and he's one of the leading scholars of the "why bother reading shit" school of political philosophy. Show some rescpect, you postmodern neo-marxist.

[@christianweibrecht6555]

if you say anything negative about JP his fans will mass down vote and denounce your videos and the overwhelming majority won't even bother to watch your videos before doing so

[@napoleonbonaparteempereurd4676]

@@woodchuck003 They actually do. They mass false flag some anti Jordan videos

[@rpaulcelso]

Kennedy did get us into Vietnam in a major way, no question. However when he spoke about asking what you could do for your country he was talking about things like the Peace Corps, not about joining the army. There was a draft at the time so the military didn’t need volunteers. Take it from someone who was there.

[@T0XX1KK]

The military still needed volunteers they That's why they introduced conscription because they weren't getting enough

[@hd95]

Never seen this meme but he failed to mention how this also debunks the popular alternative history myth that JFK would have kept us from an escalated Vietnam had he not been assassinated.

[@hubertblastinoff9001]

If we're taking LBJ's time as president on balance, dare I say it was a good thing JFK got killed?

[@achannel6664]

One of the main things he wanted to do was pull out of Vietnam. People right the speeches for him, not himself

[@hubertblastinoff9001]

@@achannel6664 Which evidence do you have for JFK wishing to pull out of Vietnam?

[@TheJTcreate]

​@@hubertblastinoff9001 He's talking about NSAM 263 in which JFK wanted a withdraw plan to have all troops out by 1965. Robert McNamara did confirm the JFK was seeking a withdraw plan to take place starting in 1963. Kind of weird this kid making these videos, blames Kennedy for Nam. Kennedy was not that dedicated to Nam. His concern was more eastern Europe. What Kennedy sent over to Nam was a small security force, advisers and trainers to help train and boost up South Vietnam. The USA did that for a lot of countries. Robert McNamara confirmed that JFK had brought up withdraw. Keep in mind, Kennedy was assassinated late 1963. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was not until midway through 1964. That is what drew the USA into direct conflict with North Vietnam. We didn't really start sending a strong military force to Vietnam until after that incident. The first major battle of Vietnam LZ XRay didn't take place until 1965. Kennedy was long dead and buried by the time all that took place. As far as JFKs rhetoric, the domino effect theory was on everyone's mind. But JFK had bigger concerns on his plate concerning eastern Europe and the Soviet Union (especially Khrushchev), who were extremely not happy that Western Berlin was in the hands of the west, while sitting in the middle of occupied East Germany. The Red army commanded the largest mechanized military force the likes of which GOD had never seen. If they decided to push, there was nothing NATO could do conventionally to stop them. That's why we were stationing nuclear warheads in Turkey and bomber fleets in Britain. Khrushchev viewed Kennedy as young, brash and inexperience. He really didn't have much respect for Kennedy. So a lot of Kennedy's rhetoric was focused on [what he viewed as] a belligerent acting Soviet Union who just erected the Berlin Wall.

[@lamaripiazza5226]

@@hubertblastinoff9001 The White House advisors said Lbj threw away jfk war plan in Vietnam.

[@oopsiepoopsie2898]

Dude I had no idea about any of this, I can’t wait to take this to the church I go to. Hopefully when they find out their Saint of Manliness Teddy Roosevelt wanted a National Health Service for Americans maybe they can change their minds.

[@nataliagonzalez1698]

I like how the meme simplifies modern progressive policy into “free stuff” instead of what they actually are (comprehensive social safety nets)

[@marcusj1167]

Nathan G so giving Medicare to illegal immigrants is comprehensive?

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

@@marcusj1167 If you responded this way to all illegal immigrants, we wouldn't have a problem. Noncitizens do not and should not benefit from our social contract unless they agree to it (which really should be that simple). But you only rant about the brown ones, so we have to set up systems to protect them from you, or the only thing they'll know of what this nation can be will come at the butt of a rifle.

[@kaydenl6836]

@@marcusj1167 yes. It is very comprehensive. “Comprehensive” doesn’t mean “exclusive”

[@freemantle85]

Breaking news from Fox New: "JFK posthumously joins Republican Party"

[@TheShadowguy64]

Why not, there are people unironically calling Obama a Republican lol

[@kaguya6900]

Not even Reagan's ideology would be allowed in the present Republican party.

[@commonmanhomestead]

@@kaguya6900 could you please explain?

[@kaguya6900]

@@commonmanhomestead For example, Reagan was pro- amnesty for illegal immigrants and pro universal health care. Amnesty has been an issue that got moderate Republicans primaried out of their offices over the past two decades for more conservative representatives. www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672

[@Authentricity]

@@kaguya6900 I'm not so sure that Reagan would be pleased at today's result of continued unchecked illegal immigration from the southern border. Most all of it occurring after his presidency.

[@hellboy6507]

To address your bit about “cultural Marxism” most people use it to refer to stuff like “cancel culture” and “wokeness”. The original connotations of “jewish conspiracy” are lost on them. It’s basically a meme.

[@nbewarwe]

I've seen people actually use the term unironically to describe what they call the far left. Blackpigeonspeaks being the most famous of them. And then there's PragerU who just released a video about "identity socialism," which they also made up. So while it is a meme by some, there are still people who legitimately believe it's a real thing.

[@davispeterson1876]

@@nbewarwe and don't forget that while they might call it "The Illuminati" or "The Cabal" now, and have toned down or sanitized the more obvious anti-semitism, these modern conspiracy theories are in practice almost identical to Hitler's concept of "Judeo-Bolshevism"

[@nbewarwe]

@@davispeterson1876 I get you're point but I prefer to differentiate between the general far right and Qanon. The far right is a blanket term for various extreme political stances while Qanon is specifically a conspiracy group.

[@davispeterson1876]

@@nbewarwe they're still acting as a simultaneously smokescreen, dogwhistle, and recruitment pool/tool for the qanon/neo-nazi crowd

[@michaelt.5672]

The point of the "it's public goods, not free stuff" argument is that it's taxpayer funded. So if you are a taxpayer, you are paying for these services, meaning they aren't free. They're just free at the point of service.

[@traplover6357]

Its either the meme of "free stuff" or "taxation is theft". You cant win such a great economic argument (even though neoclassicism and Keynesian economics dominate the consensus)

[@williamt.sherman9841]

the "free stuff" argument is fine since nothing is free. taxation is theft is more of an anti-statist radical libertarians' position.

[@joaopedrosousa5636]

"free at the point of service"

[@eazy8579]

You can't win an argument against someone who doesn't understand the point of the argument...

[@LittleLion93]

@carlos Rivas Absolutely, but the same apply to corporation.

[@austinbusch7264]

@carlos Rivas tfw u equate universal health care programs with absolute state power

[@julietfischer5056]

Extremist response to context: "That string of words I'm abusing was spoken/written, therefore I'm correct." Doesn't matter your politics, religion, or other ideology: if you ignore context, you've proven you aren't interested in anything save your narrow viewpoint.

[@cwg9238]

people who hide behind "muh context" are often just trying to obfuscate or over-complicate an issue that is fundamentally quite simple. your conclusions are always flawed because you didnt "take everything into account." its not an argument. its little more than a fanciful way of saying "you just dont get it" to avoid directly addressing a concern.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@cwg9238 - In other words, because the string of words in question was spoken or written, you don't care that it might have been preceded and succeeded by other words that change the meaning you assigned to it.

[@cwg9238]

@@julietfischer5056 how much nuance can justify murder? you can spin me a hyper-elaborate tale of a million different factors that led someone to kill someone else, you can make it so god damn complicated that its even impossible to understand. it still doesnt excuse the act.

[@citizenfoffie7605]

@@cwg9238 based

[@maverick9708]

@@cwg9238 well if they were going to murder you, and you did it in self defense... That context would change how the act was perceived...

[@moorebounce]

Stuff isn't free. Everything is paid from the taxes the government takes from us. I want my taxes to help regular Americans and not corporations.

[@Nohandle4u]

As a Capitalist anything some call 'Socialism' I refer to as 'Investment in the Human Capital'

[@timvanrijn8239]

a great thing I like Practical christianity to

[@bassplayer8815]

@carlos Rivas I myself am a socialist a bit well read on anarchist political and economic theory and have know idea as to what anyone above me is talking about

[@BOOOOOOOONE]

@carlos Rivas this is literally gibberish.

[@BOOOOOOOONE]

@carlos Rivas there's no better way of demonstrating your political illiteracy than quoting Margaret Thatcher unironically

[@justcrypto618]

@@BOOOOOOOONE ah yes anyone I disagree politically with is politically illiterate

[@zj13goat57]

Kennedy would be called a commy if he ran today

[@jerodwolf5582]

Ask not why the world is of warships. Ask how your warship could be of the world!

[@TheJamieRamone]

So u get dorks yelling at u in yee-haw on social media then, got it.

[@stefanradev7034]

Well, some people just love to protect their right to freeze peach.

[@MilaLili1]

I never liked JFK's domestic stuff (save for civil rights), but I think it is downright heroic what he did during the Cuban missile crisis.

[@abelincon8472]

Didn't the Russians asked him to remove missiles from Turkey?

[@aaronTGP_3756]

The Soviet Union asked him to remove missiles from Turkey and Italy. For them, it was only fair that Cuba hosts missiles to counter the threat. And JFK was okay with having a blockade set up (a clear act of aggression on America). So he might've helped ESCALATE the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[@williamfrancis5367]

2:28 Globohomo? Never heard that one before. Is that when you want a hemispheric common market with free trade and open borders, as a way to "get it on" with more dudes?

[@williamfrancis5367]

@@soarel325. If it were multinationals would be more popular than they are now.

[@JSpradley123]

Sounds hot...

[@JoriMikke78]

Haven't seen those memes - until now. Kennedy also said that "If we can't help the many that are poor, then we can't save the few that are rich.". Or something like it. Anyways, in Europe that latter is generally much more known than that "do for your country" part.

[@curiousworld7912]

Memes are such a simplistic way of expressing an opinion. I generally ignore them.

[@goldman77700]

Some memes don't even do that...

[@fionafiona1146]

As someone studying Cultural Anthropologie, they are very interesting. Obviously "meme"s as thought/Gedanken(Inhalt) can't transcend the depth their creators thought about them but can be telling about the general mindset they speak of/too/from.

[@curiousworld7912]

@@fionafiona1146 That's an excellent point, and I can see why someone in your field would find them interesting. I tend to ignore them however, because one) I generally doubt the quotes or the context of the quote, and two) they do just seem 'lazy' to me.

[@fionafiona1146]

@@curiousworld7912 They are convenient for me to track and research so 'lazy' might still apply.

[@curiousworld7912]

@@fionafiona1146 :)

[@voiceofreason467]

Something to consider is that the vast majority of the people who use cultural marxism are not using it as an association of judaism and such, the idea is to take Marx's methods and outlook to apply them to culture. Now obviously Marx was against this, as he often wrote screeds decrying people using his methods and hs work as that, and there is a whole host of people who follow Marx referring to these people as foe Marxists. A lot of this has to do more with ignorance of Marx's work rather than any real issue with Nazi propaganda. I mean, Nazi's or the literal Alt Right in this case, is going to be a minority regarding any conversation on the internet.

[@davispeterson1876]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck . . .

[@spearheadgaming7588]

Ever realise that these "new dealers" all have three letter abriviations for their names? Coincidene? I. Think. Yes.

[@pavelm.gonzalez8608]

:O

[@quantgeekery6358]

NGL, my 10th grade history teacher went to town on that speech. For context, he broke down in tears when Kennedy won because the country was not what he had been taught it was. Needless to say, he was a conservative.

[@dstinnettmusic]

You are so close to joining bread tube, I can just feel it.

[@citizenfoffie7605]

I can't wait.

[@mam162]

The Cynical Historian: "Let's look at that quote in its full context. He says. . ." Ad pops up: "John needs to get rid of his mattress". I busted a gut laughing at that one.

[@deltafork468]

It's not "free stuff" in the sense of a free ride that the Conservatives are trying to frame it as. The Doctors and nurses are still getting paid, drugs and equipment is bought and paid for, etc. It's just instead of you paying for medical services, we collectively as a community would pay for it. Through taxes. The same way that the police, or armed forces aren't free. But they provide a public service with out directly billing the receiptients.

[@robertstan298]

I always find it baffling how the US government (but not just it) can find it so easy to invest money into forever wars and corporate bailouts (just to name a few)... but somehow, it is unfathomable that they'd invest money in the one thing that truly matter for a nation... it's citizens. But alas, the cruelty of the ruling class knows no bounds. And decades upon decades of brainwashing and polarizing the masses has done almost irreparable harm to the consciousness of the people. To the point where people actively vote and campaign (like these idiotic memes) against their own interests.

[@thomasjamison2050]

One very important thing we can do for our country is to institute single payer health care so people can get health care for free. Of course, that means a million people in the insurance industry will have to find new jobs, but that's the trade off.

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

For those who are confused: "Liberal" in the economic context means supporting a market economy. "Classical Liberalism" includes the market economy and support for small-to-moderate government with checks and balances. "Social Democracy" is supporting both the market economy and the welfare state. "Socialism" is opposition to free enterprise and support of a command economy. "Communism" is opposition to private property (which _includes_ personal property despite the sophistry of Marxists) and support for a command economy.

[@MRoberts1st]

Kudos to your junior high civics teacher. Need more like him/her.

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

@@MRoberts1st I learned Civics as a Senior in High School. Junior High social studies was world history to 1492 (in 7th grade) and American history from 1492 to 1865 (in 8th Grade).

[@StanislavG.]

Communism's core idea is common ownership of the means of production, with the goal of abolition of exploitative labor by the capitalist owners of said means. It has absolutely nothing to do with opposing private property.

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

@@StanislavG. Which is typically attained via implementing a Command Economy. Frankly, I've never seen a Communist advocate for regulations requiring Corporations to give 50% or more of their shares to, and evenly distribute no less than half of their profits between, their employees (which, oddly enough, sounds more like Distributism- the privatized decentralization of the means of production- than actual Communism).

[@StanislavG.]

@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 I think you meant a "Centralized Planned Economy" and you are absolutely correct, if the state is the owner of the means of production, the decision of what and how much of it to produce is in its responsibility. Regarding the so called "communists" - I'll guess you're talking about American communists? Yeah, these are what we in the USSR called "reformists", whose ideas directly responsible for the economic and then the physical collapse of the Union (starting with the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, who had the highest standard of living in the Union until these fellows crawled out from under the rock). The distribution of profits by the private sector (as is its existence) is the main reason for these infamous "bread lines" (the so called "deficit") during the Perestroyka. American commies are a joke (not as funny as Liberals calling themselves "The Left" though, but still).

[@koalasandwich567]

The best way to respond to people that post politically ignorant memes is to make your own, that are actually correct, here's an example Republicans then: Gun Control, Civil Rights, Environmental Protections, Republicans now: Freedom means I can do whatever I want!

[@rayceeya8659]

The association of "Liberalism" and "Socialism" is one of my biggest pet peeves. I hear "Liberalism" I think of "Economic Liberalism", not the "Social Liberalism" most people associate it with today. Economic Liberalism, means infinite corporate person-hood, and unlimited monopolies. Social Liberalism is more in line with the Libertarian political movement. Personal autonomy. Socialism has nothing to do with either of these. But all three are opposed to authoritarianism. I'm an Anti-Authoritarian Socialist, not a Communist (Authoritarian Socialist), and not an Economic Liberal (Oligarch).

[@TheOsamaBahama]

This commercial was really well done and nice to watch. So rare to see it like this on youtube. It sounded like a mini review of the game.

[@upintheairstudio]

A series on the history of political polarization in this country.........I'm in.

[@valdar1978]

I do agree that Kennedy was a New Dealer, and that the meme misrepresents Kennedy's policies. That being said, I am pretty sure even FDR would have found AOCs Green New Deal appalling and unworkable.

[@valdar1978]

@@danieltarczynski6559, I imagine he would like the idea of green infrastructure, but FDR was also pragmatic, and would have understood that AOC's Green New Deal was inherently flawed, since it would destroy the energy infrastructure without having something in place to replace it.

[@SunflowerSocialist]

Great video as always dude! Please being back the reactionary cipher! I want to see him grow as a character!

[@CynicalHistorian]

on the discord server, we've basically planned it out. his name is gonna be Crypto

[@tomservo5007]

I miss the days when a President didn't sound like a crazy guy at the pub

[@michaellyons4165]

Dude! That's some funny and true shit!

[@rnrailproductions5049]

Gazzara5 Ever since Bush senior was president, they sounded fucking crazy. And they were.

[@kevinathans4191]

I do hate the whole "biased" argument they try to play. I majored in history and religious studies. I'm an atheist. At first atheists love me because I give them sweet facts to own the Christians with. But as soon as I disagree with an atheist, I'm biased because I studied religion. Same with the Christians...they say I'm biased because I'm an atheist...the reality is I'm the only one qualified to have an opinion in this discussion and if they want to argue with me they can do to college for 5 years...

[@jamesburke9865]

Wasn't JFK also advocating for things like the Peace Corps, not just military service?

[@atlantefou566]

Yeah, I am a french student in English and when we covered Nixon's policies, I was amazed to see how close they were to his democrat predecessors.

[@MrMirville]

Nixon was a New Deal Liberal and not a more conservative-minded than FDR and Truman had been. He was against hippie values and counter-culture : so were most left-wing platforms in the world, who saw in counter-culture a retrograde movement.

[@nubgaming1013]

Don’t you love it when people who shout small government complain about small government.

[@naddarr1]

The U.S. is so far right on economic issues that Regan would be a moderate nowadays. He did more to combat inflation and economic woes then Biden has. It's honestly amazing just how far to the right our country has managed to go.

[@isak4238]

Good stuff man

[@justemetagtv6239]

Ive watched so many of your vods and they are all really good and informative. Keep up the good work and keep up the good fight vs Team YT!

[@alshnevermore3741]

"Begone with thy redbait." -Cynical Historian "Begone with 9 red babies" -Cynical Historian with subtitles Just thought I'd share this.

[@michaelgj23]

The upcoming videos sound great! I’m looking forward to the series.

[@alexhousakos]

What an awesome video debunking one of the most out of context memes ever. Also hahahahaha that was one of the most hilarious sketches @ 2:13

[@jameshowlett5106]

To paraphrase The Simpsons, aren't things like "radical liberal" and "Cultural Marxism" just made up buzzwords that idiots say to sound smart?

[@lostbutfreesoul]

2 minutes in and *bangs table* I am agreeing with you! One of the reasons I stopped being heavy in politics was the meaningless buzz words being thrown around. It is difficult to have long and intelligent conversations when pieces of terminology have been reduced to hollow and meaningless insults. Probably even is a core element to the 'divide' we hear about all the time, for when all one can do is insult the opposition....

[@timvanrijn8239]

The word (Racist)

[@jayfrank1913]

@@timvanrijn8239 Actually it's racists rearing their ugly heads again. I thought we learned with WWII and Jim Crow (which I'm old enough to remember) that race is merely a social construct, but I keep seeing terms like "race and IQ" and "Asians are better at math" and every other foul racist piece of filth. Say something racist and get called one, boo-hoo. My Biological Anthropology text book says their is no biological basis in race. It's just a millimeter of skin cells that have more or less melanin depending on where in the world your ancestors evolved. This is to protect from UV rays in tropical climates and allow more vitamin D absorption in Northern climates. All humans belong to the same species Homo sapiens and the same sub-species Homo sapiens sapiens. Get over it.

[@kaguya6900]

I'm not sure how AOC puts it, but from what I've read, the Democratic Socialist position is that tax dollars, something we all pay into no matter who we are (even people who pay no income tax pay other taxes such as sales taxes), should be spent on what is best for the public, not so much best for the private interests. "Free stuff" is a mischaracterization because it ignores the fact that people are, in fact, paying into it as well as getting value out of it.

[@teddyedward1973]

A lot of people spreading this stuff know damn well it's complete nonsense but also know by the time it's debunked most people have moved on to the next meme and the the impression gets stuck in the minds of much of the public.

[@williamt.sherman9841]

@@woodchuck003 in general Memes are not a good source of information. i'm rather surprised I have to say that.

[@williamt.sherman9841]

@@woodchuck003 I did not think you were endorsing a meme. I was pointing out how often people DO take memes seriously. I mean I have literally talked to loads of Teenagers who take internet memes as if they are factual history.

[@timvanrijn8239]

@@williamt.sherman9841 there teenagers they do dumb things.

[@teddyedward1973]

@@woodchuck003 Whilst it would be foolhardy to claim any argument based on ignorant history is good, it would be churlish to not point out, in the UK at least, one side does tend to have fewer qualms about making the bad faith claims which fuel the ignorance. 'Investigation finds ‘88% of Tory ads misleading compared to 0% for Labour’ metro.co.uk/2019/12/10/investigation-finds-88-tory-ads-misleading-compared-0-labour-11651802/

[@leonlawson2196]

People are dumb

[@jameshowlett5106]

"I like doubloons." - Tyler of Knowledge Hub

[@Norman_Fleming]

Think one of us missed the point of those memes. To me it seems to be comparing JFK calling for people to do great things vs AOC wanting the government to give people stuff, but it could all be beyond me.

[@dlhost89]

Good and valid points - but I don't think it's accurate to portray JFK as a traditional "New Dealer" in the FDR mold or as someone whose policies mirrored today's Democrats in every respect. True, he strongly advocated an expanded federal role in healthcare and other areas - but he simultaneously proposed an across-the-board tax cut that became the model for the Reagan tax cuts in 1981 and the first George W. Bush tax cuts in 2001 (LBJ ultimately signed JFK's tax cut bill into law in 1964). Indeed, if one reads JFK's 1962 address to the Economic Club of New York, one finds rhetoric that could have come from speeches by countless Republican "supply siders" since then (such as the ability of tax cuts to stimulate economic growth by providing more investment capital (JFK argued that tax cuts would improve "both the incentive to invest and the supply of internal funds for investment" while spurring "new interest in taking risks, in increasing productivity, in creating new jobs and new products for long-term economic growth" while at least partially paying for itself: "it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now"). To be fair, this speech also reflected a pragmatism that today's conservatives do not in expressing their ideological fealty to tax cuts (JFK expressed a traditional Keynesian belief in the importance of increasing consumer spending while acknowledging that tax cuts might be ill-advised under different circumstances). Yet, there is no question about JFK's willingness to embrace economic logic and policies that today's Democrats categorically dismiss as "tax cuts for the wealthy" - and I wish that your presentation reflected that fact.

[@nubgaming1013]

Get ready for people to deny the party switch. Five bucks says they link prayeru. PragerU

[@TrainmasterGT]

carlos Rivas you’re actually describing the difference between liberalism and authoritarianism, which isn’t left or right. You can have a far-left authoritarian state like the Soviet Union and you can have a far-right authoritarian state like Mussolini’s Italy.

[@TrainmasterGT]

carlos Rivas wow there is a lot that is wrong to unpack there. First things first, an economic system has literally nothing to do with what rights a nation provides its people. You’re not guaranteed civil liberties simply because you live in a capitalist nation. For example States like Putin’s Russia and Saudi Arabia are both capitalist but have questionable records on human rights and the like. Even my original example of Fascist Italy (A state with decidedly poor human rights policy) was capitalist. It seems weird that you’d bring up things like fossil fuels and iPhones when nothing I said had anything to do with that. It seems like you’re throwing up smoke and mirrors because you otherwise lack a substantive argument.

[@TrainmasterGT]

carlos Rivas carlos Rivas China and it’s railways have nothing to do with anything I just said. Care to respond to the examples of any of the nations I mentioned or do you wish to keep propping up straw men and making yourself look more unintelligent?

[@emc448]

@@TrainmasterGT Chill you already cooked him 😂

[@TrainmasterGT]

Leigh May I believe I was focusing on the second part of his original statement when I made that comment. His insinuation is that authoritarianism is a phenomenon primarily found on the left. This simply isn't true, especially in the 21st century.

[@gspaulsson]

As to "free stuff," the US has the most expensive, fragmented, complicated, bureaucratic and unfair healthcare system in the world. Americans pay more to support the public part of their system (Medicare, Medicaid, VA, subsidies) than we in Canada do for our entire system, public and private, and your outcomes are if anything worse. OUr system is efficient because it is simple: you see your doctor, s/he bills the government; you pay your taxes. The end. No deductible. No copay. No unnecessary overhead like employers and insurance companies. Minimal office staff for doctors. Malpractice suits are rare, so no expensive malpractice insurance. So Americans pay more to get less and the right denounces a more efficient system that costs less as "free stuff." I think so rich folks can go see a private doctor about a hangnail ahead of a poor person with heart disease.

[@1joe60]

Really looking forward to that political polarization series!

[@catriona_drummond]

It's not really free stuff either. Public healthcare systems are ultimately pid for by those who benefit from them. Every single €. (I write € because there is non denominated in $). The only difference is that everybody pays for everybody, not everybody just for themselves. Which was the general idea behind an "insurance" when the thing was invented. So, don't ask what your country can do for you (and demand public healthcare) but what you can do for your country (pay the taxes to finance it).

[@plucas1]

"This meme makes no sense to anyone who knows history... Anyone who posts this is being blatantly ignorant" Which is precisely why it's widely embraced by modern conservatives

[@timvanrijn8239]

Round about insult Are you a politician, highly recomend it.

[@CosmoShidan]

Excellent skit Cypher! Love the hat btw!

[@a.n.l.aantineoliberalismas4504]

People think free healthcare is a radical idea in american But in most countries it's the norm

[@marcaldovino264]

So, thats like saying since slavery was the norm 200 years ago, it was good. Anyway, Universal healthcare is telling people to pay for your healthcare, thats not right.

[@Gripen1974]

As Swede i find the healthcare debate in USA intriguing. For heck conservatives introduced public school and was in on give ppl single payer healthcare. Mostly because it saved money for business but also it strengthen swedens defenses, We got our public healthcare system 1863 long before we even had voting rights and we even had socialists in the government.

[@theoverunderthinker]

so Kennedy was saying sacrifice to stop communism because communism was evil and we should stop evil communism? got it. Thanks for the explanation! :)

[@givecamichips]

It never occurred to me that people would think of "Ask not what your country can do for you" was about, like, public services, instead of stuff like fighting in wars.

[@Torlik11]

I always hated those kind of meme and comment. Tose who say "it was better before" or "that social movement used to be good but is so radical right now". No, it wasn't better before. If you are nostalgic of a time you didn't know like the 50's or 60's, chances are you're from a somewhat privileged class. It wasn't really good for anyone except white middle and upper class. Those who prefer the status quo are the same who would have opposed the civil right movement because it was "too radical" or because "people aren't ready for it". They are those who would have opposed abolition of slavery because it was "too complicated" or " we don't treat our slaves that bad, they're fine". Also, the idea that social care from the government mean "free stuff" is ludicrous. We know someone have to pay for it. We simply want for everyone to pay a little instead of having to spend our entire lifesaving at the smallest emergency. In the end, it save money for everyone.

[@timvanrijn8239]

Wow conflating older social norms with race hatred. You can be a black man wishing for the status of marriage in your communtity to be higher again without wanting the racism back.

[@jerrisbradley9062]

@@timvanrijn8239 if you're just listening to reply then there was no point in replying at all....

[@timvanrijn8239]

@@jerrisbradley9062 hi pot, i am kettle. You are black.

[@Shaggie13]

Unfortunately government run programs are highly inefficient and too costly and doesn't solve the problem of why a small emergency cost that much.

[@thedigitalsymphony3585]

While this was overall a good video, Kennedy did have some conservative polices. He advocated for Income Tax cuts and Corporate Tax Cuts, and emphasized that the private sector caused economic growth and not the public sector. "In short, to increase demand and lift the economy, the Federal Government's most useful role is not to rush into a program of excessive increases in public expenditures, but to expand the incentives and opportunities for private expenditures." He was also a member of the NRA.

[@JohnSmith-qq7fm]

I'm guessing this wasn't demonetized due to the ads interrupting what was otherwise an interesting video

[@dacrohnswarrior]

When I was a kid the “Ask what you can do for your country” quote was my favorite quote from any POTUS not even knowing what it meant 😂

[@DevinMoorhead]

Thanks for being a beacon in this wild world in which we live

[@budakbaongsiah]

5:07 A word from the great late, mad lunatic Graham Chapman. 13:39 Don't. Don't. Just ignore it. Nobody has succeeded to stop the internet. Debunk them instead, but telling people to stop doing something on the internet will make them do it harder.

[@cebenify]

I can't guarantee names unless they're dead and in a book. If that isn't every historian ever, I don't know historians.

[@darkhobo]

Imagine thinking "I want to go to work and pay taxes so everyone can have healthcare" Aka me doing something for my country Was "asking for free shit" Pure stupidity.

[@dagruneson8308]

Your argument that ”postmodern neo-marxism” can’t be real because it’s philosophically self-contradictory is not so good as you seem to think it is since it underestimates how philosophically selective ideology-makers can be. I mean, there are Anarcho Capitalism, National Bolshevism, National Anarchism and Market Socialism which are all ideologies that are composed of philosophically contradictory ideas, but yet there are regardless of that people that advocates for all of those respective ideologies (search for them if you don’t believe me). And since Marxism itself is a combination of scientific materialism and Hegelian idealist ideas can I say with certainty that philosophical inconsitency is not a factor that makes ideologies not real.

[@hauntologicalwittgensteini2542]

Oh god the number of political scientists and actual philosophers getting a stroke bc of this will be spactactular.

[@dagruneson8308]

@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 So why would it not be self-contradictory according to you? I mean mainstream socialism is all about being against markets and private property (which is their fundamental contention with capitalism). So if you say that you support markets but are still calling yourself a socialist you are putting yourself in fundamental opposition with almost all other forms of socialisms' view of economics.

[@ilikedota5]

Now that I think about it, there were many attempts at reform, with incredibly vague names. TR's New Nationalism and Square Deal. Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom. FDR's New Deal. Truman's Fair Deal. JFK's New Frontier. LBJ's Great Society.

[@dark_fire_ice]

So bigotry against bigotry, why not

[@dark_fire_ice]

@Cure4Living justify please, and be consistent please

[@wizzzer1337]

"ask what you can do for your country" he's talking about TAXES.

[@ph0gwalkrzero]

4:43 Nice M*A*S*H reference

[@1323GamerTV]

I have a philosophy teacher at uni who is a self proclaimed cultural marxist

[@calebsmith1805]

I think Kennedy would be a conservative if he was alive today

[@yotubeification]

If you watched the video you would see that at least when it came to domestic politics he is often left of AOC, someone many conservatives consider crazy and far-left. So no. I very much doubt it.

[@calebsmith1805]

@Joseph Henry The main reasons why I think Kennedy would be a conservative if he were alive today would be because the policies that he supported use to be mainstream democratic ideas like for example he cut corporate taxes to 52% to 47% and he also cut marginal taxes to 91% to 52%. Lets move away from economies because you did say he would be more to the left on domestic policies and the reason why I think that’s wrong is because he was adamantly against abortion, did you know that two of the Supreme Court nominees that he put on the court voted against roe v wade. That’s one of the reasons why I like him because as a catholic he really showed what real catholic values are during his presidency. To wrap this up I’m just going to explain more conservative positions he held. Kennedy was pro energy, supported the death penalty, was not a big spender but was when it came to the military and finally I hate the idea of someone who supports the civil rights movement as automatically being liberal, if you ask me him supporting the civil rights movement was just the right thing to do, it wasn’t a conservative or liberal thing. As a person who loves guns I have to add In this final fact, did you know that Kennedy was one of 8 presidents who were life time members of the NRA

[@ArkadiBolschek]

I mean, he was a conservative when he was alive back then.

[@famousbowl9926]

@@calebsmith1805 fuck the NRA...

[@nerdfatha]

Great video. I've watched a few of your videos and dug your insights, but this one made me a subscriber. I look forward to your party switch series.

[@josephmarquez5777]

Hey Cypher, I was looking for your follow up video in this series “ the party flip”. I’m earnestly seeking the truth about historical facts. I hope the didn’t block that video.

[@Hand-in-Shot_Productions]

I am not bothered by video-blocking, but I am interested in looking at _real_ history, and not political propaganda! The party-flip (especially the fate of the segregationists) is a part of American history that has been used as what Cypher once called "a political bludgeon".

[@CynicalHistorian]

Haven't gotten finished it yet. The channel I'm collaborating with has been dragging his heels for this long. Seriously! I made this episode hoping to get him moving, cause he's kinda integral to the script

[@MrMirville]

Karl Marx wasn’t a Marxist at this rate : he rather was a qualified anarchist : he was in favor of nationalizations only on condition that the state should be subject to strong democratic pressure and as local or municipal as possible rather than central or federal, and only as a temporary measure to confiscate monopolies of finite ressources (like water) out of private hands into those of the greatest number. As far as I can recall, Marx is not remembered for having advocated economic development plans by technocrats as Marxism-Leninism would do from Trotsky onwards.

[@duncanthaw6858]

>Radical liberalism hasn't been a thing Only to the extent that the word liberal is virtually meaningless.

[@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719]

I really don't like that "liberal" is used to basically mean socialist/social dempcrat/social liberalist in America. Also, any blocked speach is by it's existance against free speach. So, making threats illegal is against free speach. That doesn't mean it's good to allow people to threaten each other.