Debunking THE WORST Arkham Take

[@DissAbyss]

"He goes to save Talia from the Joker, wasting time for his main mission". This is just a character flaw of Batman generally. Batman will always go save a life if he knows one is in immediate danger, even if it potentially puts more in danger. Batman will not let a person die if he can stop it. They literally make this point at the ending of Arkham City when he says he would have saved Joker.

[@theimperialzone]

Didn't he literally do the exact opposite or am I tweaking? He wanted to save Talia first, but after Alfred told him the City's more important, he just had Alfred track Talia while he went after Hugo in Wonder Tower. He betrayed his own feelings for the greater good.

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

@@theimperialzone He did that after Alfred refused to track Talia for him. Alfred had to force him to go stop Strange.

[@Yourfat247]

@@theimperialzonehe technically did but was forced too by Alfred and Barbara. Batman was literally going to stop joker before strange

[@theimperialzone]

Ah okay.

[@cody3504]

He let’s Ra’s die in Knight also Batman was bluffing to the Joker when he dropped the cure Joker and Batman are the two most intelligent people in the world Joker even knew Batman dropped the cure on purpose that’s why he said it was funny that Batman would lie to him because they both knew the truth. He let Joker die

[@jacobcenter7374]

I think another thing often skimmed over by most people looking at Arkham Batman, we only see him on the 4 hardest nights of his career. We don't see him at home, conversing with Alfred, training the Robins, none of it. We see him on the nights when he would most want to push them away because they are the nights he would be most afraid of losing one of them

[@Samuel152]

Arkham Origins has some of these topics. Seeing Batman and Alfred in the Batcave and chatting about random things was such a treat to see.

[@stellafanders]

This! I really like Origins for that matter, showing us the bond between Alfred and him But even then, you sometimes even have these quips with Nightwing and Robin. And in Arkham VR, there is a Photograph Jason took of Bruce and him and on the back he tells Bruce to take a break every once in a while.

[@unsungangel7269]

I’ve ever really understood the “Arkham Batman is cold to his allies” argument. To me it comes across more as a stern father. What he says may come across as emotionally distant but he always means well and is constantly looking out for them to make sure they don’t get hurt or killed.

[@jacobcenter7374]

@@unsungangel7269 exactly, and again we only see him with them on the nights when he's most stressed and worried about them. It's very likely that most of the time he's much more relaxed with them

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

I think one point that I think Athomsmith is REALLY wrong about is the fact that apparently the Gotham vilains aren't responsible for their crimes because they are affected by their trauma and so Batman should feel pity towards them. This point is incorrect since while yes they have horrible trauma but they still have CHOICE over their actions and SHOULD be punished for their wrong doings. Has Jay Garrick said in injustice 2 to mister Freeze : "loss is not an excuse for criminality".

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

Congratulations, you just showed more morality and media literacy and common sense than all of Tumblr and TikTok together.

[@Yourfat247]

@@quantumvideoscz2052twitter and Reddit too

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

​@@quantumvideoscz2052Thanks.

[@OGDavidThomas]

exactly, even Restorative Justice, which I;m increasingly in favour of, is about making criminals take accountability whilst taking pity and understanding into account, see the harm they've done and hopefully make them want to legitimately make amends

[@jaxxpool9630]

I haven't even finished this response, yet I already agree with everything being said here. I find it insane how Atomsmith thinks Arkham Batman is a cold person since that can be disproven by so many moments in the Arkham games. Even during Arkham Knight when he's more distant and almost kills some people, it's because he's in a bad mental state from Joker and doesn't even trust himself with his friends. I actually say where Arkham Batman is really a cold person is in Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League, which tries to say he's warmed up thanks to Superman. Him coming out of hiding after Arkham Knight outright puts a target on Gotham's back and his arc from Arkham Origins is destroyed in an audio log. Heck, even Batman allowing Kirk Langstrom's tragedy as Man-Bat being displayed in a museum for entertainment is massively out of character.

[@baki484]

Displaying his tech is definitely out of character. He's also the last person to brag about it too.

[@goofyahhhuncleproductions1096]

@@baki484Im pretty sure sure the jl force him to do that if batman was running things that probably wouldn’t have happened

[@goofyahhhuncleproductions1096]

the batman museum is not approved in anyway by bruce

[@jaxxpool9630]

@@goofyahhhuncleproductions1096 What scene was that said in again?

[@goofyahhhuncleproductions1096]

@@jaxxpool9630 Go to a video by batman arkham videos called joker reacts to the arkham lore it should be there at 58 seconds

[@alexdevonshire6120]

The “he didn’t save anyone in City” argument is completely invalid. After shutting Arkham down and stopping Protocol 11, all of those prisoners and goons he was beating up all night were saved from Hugo’s brutal purge and were mostly all given pardons after Arkham City was disbanded, which canonically led to less reoffenders and a lower crime rate in Gotham.

[@Samuel152]

The low crime rate was because of Joker's death, but thats also a good point.

[@Yourfat247]

Don’t forget the innocent ‘political prisoners’ and the game implies there are more than the ones we save. So he’s saving innocent people too

[@Yourfat247]

@@Samuel152but then it rose to war soon afterwards

[@Kitty255Again]

​@@Samuel152logically speaking the pardons had to have fixed SOME of the criminals pardons were one of the greatest weapons against pirates after all. its that "point of no return" mentality keeping alot of them in the game

[@CaptainRex767]

So Batman shouldn’t beat serial killers, rapists, and complete genocidal maniacs such as ras to a pulp wow his take really makes me question this guys brain function

[@Terminal_Apotos]

it’s weird seeing such a dumb take from Atomsmith considering his Content, you’d think he’d know Arkham Batman more.

[@seekeroflamps4998]

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[@alexdevonshire6120]

I mean, Alfred in Origins does remark how brutal Bruce is as a new Batman, but as the series moves on chronologically you see the trust and understanding that Bruce and Alfred build, Bruce starts to give more empathy to his rogues gallery (like Alfred tries to get across), but Alfred also understands that sometimes the brutality is a necessary sacrifice when fighting some of Batman’s depraved villains.

[@bitingsky7677]

It's crazy that he says the characters lack depth, it really shows that he's never listened to any audio tapes.

[@Yourfat247]

He says that but literally shows the characters having depth. He probably did listen to them but ignored them for the video because it doesn’t fit his narrative

[@sab3redg333]

Pfttt forget the audio tapes just the game enough would be enough to show batman's character depth in this series. But you are right if he's doing a review of something you should be very accurate and through.

[@hybridsofthorin]

Atomsmith entirely forgot about the dlc where bruce trains with the league of shadows

[@Skids0800]

Why doesn’t Arkham Batman have more cry moments

[@s.k.4289]

Because Rocksteady needed to have a repellant for Colins

[@_harriet]

@@s.k.4289shame there was no Bat-Shark-Repellent to defeat Tiny

[@Samuel152]

Closest we ever see him to cry (which he shed no tears) was in Origins when Bane hurt Alfred.

[@Yourfat247]

@@Samuel152it’s the same for Jason, you can hear his shaky voice. He calls Tim, Jason and Tim responds with ‘you haven’t done that in a while’

[@kingkieron2]

that guy clearly never done the side quest, they are mainly batman saving someone

[@Bineyphone]

Another thing about that thing about saving Talia. Yes Batman would want to save Talia but also she was going to bring him to the Lazarus pit which would make him immortal. As seen in the catwoman dlc if catwoman didn’t save Batman then joker would’ve destroyed the city

[@Yourfat247]

It’s not the ‘dlc’ it’s the main game where you can either leave the vault with the loot or save Batman and Barbara explains how strange wins

[@platinumwolf526]

@@Yourfat247 Yeah it was DLC for the og arkham city the entire catwoman thing wasn't apart of the og game

[@Bineyphone]

@@Yourfat247 Oh you’re right. On the return to Arkham it’s built in but back in 2011 you had to buy the catwoman dlc to experience that.

[@Rob-bz3te]

The hilarious fact about this is I was just watching an atom smith stream and he was playing Arkham knight and a dude asked in chat if he should buy Arkham knight and atom smith said that he bought it and he hasn’t regretted it at all

[@agrubohub4009]

How does someone play the Arkham games that many times only to get this conclusion? Did he not pay attention to any of the cutscenes?

[@Samuel152]

Atom mostly focuses on mods and random stuff rather than the games' story.

[@ForkScratchingONplate]

I mean he brutalized thugs in arkham knight in cutscenes and he straight up yells at citizens when questioning them like it's not that far fetched and during the siege on the gcpd oracle tells bruce to throw militia into electrified fencing and I doubt that would leave them happy and completely mentally and physically fine for sure right like it's fine to have an opinion and I know your not calling atomsmith and idiot but a lot of people are people shouldn't be called names over a take on a video game and this video makes it sound like atomsmith hates the arkham games when he loves them it just feels pointless to even talk about this

[@furynvm]

@@ForkScratchingONplate He had to fight a militia and several supervillains while being mentally and physically attacked by fear toxin. I think he is allowed to be cranky.

[@ForkScratchingONplate]

@@furynvm you mean the yelling I'm talking about citizens not criminals and another thing atomsmith fails to bring up is the fact that batman locked up the firechief with the rest of the super criminals like at least just put him in his own cell but he yelled at people not just in knight for information also your comment was hilarious in a good way

[@furynvm]

@@ForkScratchingONplate lmfao yeah, i think batman's behaviour in knight differs a lot from asylum and city. his mind is definitely not straight.

[@SynthwaveWine]

Man, watching this entire response is REALLY making me wanna replay the Arkham games all over again, what a great series lol Shame there wasn't an Arkham Knight follow-up.

[@heitorgandra2550]

Wait... wasn't There a game after Arkham Knight where batman died by a group called the suicide squa-

[@Yourfat247]

@@heitorgandra2550no… you must be thinking of a differnt universe because deadshot is black there

[@sab3redg333]

​@@heitorgandra2550 the are only 4 Arkham verse games. Origins, asylum, city, and knights....you know heirorgandra the earth king invites you to spend a trip at lake laogai....

[@emberfist8347]

The worst Batman? When ASBAR and Ben Affleck’s Batman exist that is a false claim.

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

ASBAR? What's that?

[@nesbech6189]

@@quantumvideoscz2052All Star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder. It looks…really bad…

[@emberfist8347]

@@quantumvideoscz2052 All-Star Batman and Robin The Boy Wonder. A terrible series by Frank Miller.

[@ForkScratchingONplate]

He means like the worst batman compared to his idea of batman

[@quantumvideoscz2052]

@@nesbech6189 Oh Jesus that absolute disaster. That Batman is so far removed from the very concept that I cannot in good conscience put Affleck's Batman next to it.

[@callmejacob3234]

I mean Arkham Batman is compassionate to his enemies but he's pissed all the time because everything is chaotic.

[@STUG8002]

Man you cook it and burned him 💀

[@omarkarim2280]

i think people are kinda missing the point of his critiques with Batman in these games. He’s not entirely wrong, but even when he is, the defenses brought up aren’t great A) ignoring Arkham Batman has character flaws, so no his treatment of Tim isn’t okay, it’s not meant to be, so the rebuttal shouldn’t be that “actually it’s okay because he’s protecting him” B) Obviously Batman saves a bunch of people on the grand scale, but what Atom’s talking about is the more personal saves. It’s the same reason how technically Cavill Superman’s saved the world a bunch of times, but we all strongly remember Reeve Superman catching Lois, saving that cat, saving Jimmy from the dam collapse. Implicit saves don’t show the same level of compassion as a personal save. This is a long comment, idk if y’all are gonna read it, i’d be happy to come back and keep this convo going

[@Skids0800]

For one this isn’t that long of a comment so quit acting condescending when they’re are far longer comments here. 2 Batman has justified reason for acting the way he does to Tim especially considering he thinks Barbra is dead and is trying to protect him in an extreme manner consider that it’s the worst night of his career. Being harsh is not automatically bad character writing. And 3 Batman does save plenty of people personally and Atomsmith said initially that he doesn’t save enough people at all and just back peddled when face with criticism. And Batman isn’t the most expressive hero anyway when it comes to his emotions so it’s entirely in character. Unlike your example with Superman where is his way more upbeat and expressive unlike Cavills version who is a cold hearted and generally a bad person.

[@omarkarim2280]

@@Skids0800 well for starters, wasn’t being condescending. if you want me to be condescending, then sorry i misjudged people’s opinions on how long a comment is? i didn’t say him being harsh was “bad character writing” i just think people ignoring that flaw in bruce’s character is strange. all good characters have flaws, so trying to justify bruce’s decisions as “it’s not wrong, it’s entirely fine that he throws his kid in a cell” is stupid. Bruce has always been characterized as being distant from his family when things get tough, the Arkham games just missed out on the usual bit of “well then his family shows him how dumb he’s being and they all work together to stop the bad guy.” And as far as the saving people aspect goes, sure, Batman’s not super expressive, he doesn’t need to be, that’s not even something I brought up. My opinion’s just that having more specific saves matters significantly more than “Well, he stopped Protocol 10 so technically he also saved Metropolis in that game”

[@Skids0800]

@@omarkarim2280 I just took the long comment part as condescending because it’s not that long to begin with and implying that we won’t read it because of that is honestly dumb in my opinion. As for Batman throwing Tim in the cell it’s entirely justified in the narrative why he would do it, as long as it’s justified it’s not. A problem even if it’s not logical. Since he’s trying to prevent Tim from getting himself killed by going after the villains in a petty attempt to get revenge for Barbra. As for the last point: it’s entirely valid to bring up the long term consequences of his actions. Sure Metropolis and Bludhaven might not be in danger now but since Strange confirms in the game they would also use the Arkham City program in those cities and likely wipe them out as well it proves that Batman managed to save them in the long run. Plus we also mentioned several specific people he saves. Both are valid especially when they’re both mentioned. It’s essentially trying to use as much ammo as you can to prove your point.

[@omarkarim2280]

@@Skids0800 I’m not saying him throwing Tim in the cell didn’t make narrative sense, Bruce is under the influence of fear toxin, he’s fearing for Tim’s safety. You can still see Bruce’s justification for what he’s doing without thinking he’s right for doing so. Need I remind you, him doing this is the reason Tim gets kidnapped later? The game doesn’t even agree that it’s a good thing Bruce did that, why do you? And I’m not saying the long term stuff isn’t valid, but it’s also valid to want a more explicit showing of Bruce saving people. Give us a cutscene of the people on the ground, have Batman save some political prisoners DURING protocol 10

[@Skids0800]

@@omarkarim2280 at this point you just seem to want more which is fine to have but that doesn’t make the Arkham games worse. And I wasn’t saying what Batman did to Tim was correct I’m saying it’s justified in the narrative for him to do it. Big difference

[@yaboicameron77]

The death toll from Scarecrow in Knight would have been higher because the east coast doesn’t stop at American borders. Parts of Ontario, the maritimes and most Quebec would have been effected too.

[@lakshaykochhar6799]

From where I stand, there are two somewhat decent arguments for why Batman shouldn't worry about Talia and think to save the criminals or political prisoners, first: 1):- It's Talia Al Ghul that we're talking about here; a person that is next in line to inherit League Of Assassins' leadership, a person, who is the daughter of Ra's Al Ghul, if she didn't trained beside Batman, she most likely trained Bruce(if Bruce was trained by League Of Assassins directly) and in some incarnations; she is hundred of years older than Batman like Ra's Al Ghul, this means that she's at least below Batman's skill-level or at best, she outclasses him and she has no qualms about killing... Meaning that it's not Talia, we should be worrying about here; Joker might as well be a actual clown in front of her with tomato nose and well... he already has the rest of the makeup; one joke about the time, he pushed a babystroller down the road and Talia might just give him the "French Revolution" treatment with the lovingly end of her sword. (of course, we all know that person beside her is not real Joker, but Batman and others don't know that) 2):- They should've given her more screen time to flesh her character to make us care about her or at least show us why that she's important to Batman (other than the implied long and complicated relationship).

[@kppr_amarosnithe]

I swear to god, some people just don't deserve to have an opinion whatsoever.

[@Yourfat247]

I wouldn’t go that far, instead learn why their opinion is wrong

[@kppr_amarosnithe]

@@Yourfat247 Opinions =/= facts

[@RocketMan21-vp9ie]

Complaining about side characters like Tim not having more screen time when the whole idea of Arkham is to be The Batman, not the Boy Wonder.

[@Yourfat247]

Batman goes out of his way to save the single doctor in arkham city and does the same for the doctors and other staff in asylum. City also sets up his relationship with her, she flirts and kisses him when they meet up in wonder city and Barbara says ‘what is it about this woman that instantly makes her the most important person in your world?’ And ‘don’t let HER get in the way again’ To add to this in Spider-Man 2 Spider-Man literally prioritises protecting wraith (his old partner from killing Cletus) which allowed him to get away and the carnage dlc to happen

[@Aarasobi]

Having played Arkham for 10+ years I totally agree with you, and some of the points he said didn’t make sense

[@remoanimatesyt7321]

Now I want to see League entertainment vs clown puncher.

[@fromakspov8396]

This was really hard to get through, at first I thought that maybe Atomsmith just didn't pay much attention to some of the story, the audio tapes and arkham stories and so that's why he's come to some of these conclusions, but the more the video went on, the more I was convinced that this guy is just being completely disingenuous and lying to not only his viewers but to himself as well.

[@Yourfat247]

I also want to point out how beautiful ivy’s sacrifice in knight was. The game took its time and didn’t change the pace until they respected her

[@JBMReaseBurner]

24:17 I didn’t know joker slide the gun over that’s a nice detail i noticed

[@Warpded]

It's like Batman said, "Subtlety works. Every time." It's a simple wink at the players and I think a lot missed the hint in their first run.

[@Yourfat247]

@@Warpdedhow do you keep a secret from the world’s greatest detective? Well do you know? You stick in front of him, stick it right under his long pointy nose and wait 😊

[@sab3redg333]

You are always free to converse and disagree but that's not an excuse for being incorrect and bad faith in your arguments. Being against the grain for the sake of being against the grain is more damaging than helpful. I am disappointed in this Aerosmith character's videos about Batman. Hopefully he will rise to the occasion another day

[@maxreboman]

13:54 Does bro remember the fact that btas batman drove away Tim Drake and Dick Grayson?

[@Yourfat247]

Nope lmao

[@Yourfat247]

Ofc he doesn’t lmao (ignore the first comment I can’t see it for some reason)

[@mrTagyG]

The guy should beacome a Spider man channel if he hates arkham batman so much but loves Spider man

[@ForkScratchingONplate]

He doesn't hate arkham batman this video made it seem like atomsmith hates the arkham games but he loves them someone is allowed to think that arkham batman doesn't feel like other iterations of batman without hating arkham batman or be called an idiot for it

[@AvidCS]

@@ForkScratchingONplate Atom is an “idiot” for how he structured the video.

[@Yourfat247]

@@ForkScratchingONplatehe does hate Arkham batman, if he didn’t then his video wouldn’t exist in the first place, hate is when you ignore factual evidence to paint someone in a bad light.

[@Yourfat247]

It’s literally a double standard in the superhero community, not just him. People love to shit on batman for his ‘no kill rule’ when Spider-Man in insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 literally stopped wraith from killing Cletus which allows him and carnage to get away

[@batnick10]

This is a great response guys. Always appreciate when people defend Arkham Bruce, as he’s fairly close to PC Bruce. Great video, you got me wanting to make my own video😤

[@ForkScratchingONplate]

It's not a great response like he should have been respectful and not called atom a dunce because he disagrees. You're acting like arkham batman is an actual person he's a fictional character and atom has a different opinion than you that's fine he could've just been more respectful

[@batnick10]

@@ForkScratchingONplate sorry lil bro he literally got information wrong. That’s not “just an opinion”. Boo hoo he called him a mean word, I’m sure he’s devastated over such a low blow. And I’m not acting like he’s a real person you psycho, I just like the character.

[@ForkScratchingONplate]

@@batnick10 it's just not respectful not good sportsmanship and even then when he atom corrected himself he didn't change his opinion because he just has a different idea of what batman should be that is an opinion like bro you are also resorting to name calling "you psycho" and you just like the character that's in opinion atomsmith not thinking this is a good interpretation of batman is an opinion "lil bro" really doesn't understand what an opinion is

[@batnick10]

@@ForkScratchingONplate “opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.” His view/judgement is based on inaccurate info, which is what this video corrects. He can think it’s a bad version of the character all he wants(even tho this version is very comic accurate but that’s besides the point) , that’s not the point of contention. It’s literally just adding in missing info. Also calm down dude, it’s not that serious💀and yes “lil bro” I do understand what an opinion is, you’re just being butt hurt for another person which is next level meat riding, go outside😭

[@ForkScratchingONplate]

@@batnick10 this video did not correct him though he corrected himself. You are a content creator right and so hypothetically you make a video talking about your opinion on a character you really like right but this opinion isn't held by many other people and you accidentally got some information wrong and in the comments the majority of people there are calling you stupid, dumbass, r*tarded and then there are videos made about you calling you an idiot bashing your opinion then you make a video responding to one of the only respectful ones in a respectful way and correct yourself in that response and you still have the same opinion and then more people bash you in the comments so would that leave you happy and all joyful cause for most people that shit would feel terrible. Don't call me a meat rider when your defending this video and arkham bruce the way you are

[@cody3504]

How could anyone say the Arkham series was the worst? I mean if there’s a particular game sure but the entire series?! What Batman would they consider good? Batman Begins? Lego Batman? I’d actually say both are pretty fun too

[@jonkler677]

I feel like i can understand his points but i feel like hes using pretty bad examples like him calling zazz a animal yeah batman values his rouges and wasnts them to redeem he understands there sick but since he is talking about how its adapting from the comics in the comics Batman hates zazz and righly so as zazz is pretty evil he held fighting rings filled with children and forced them to fight to the death in the comics just cuz batman wants his rouges to reedem doesn't mean he doesn't hate some of them zazz joker and mad hatter are all decent examples of this and while i do feel like i wish there where more moment's where batman has a moment like the scean with the kid and the gun in the comics or the moment with ace on the swing in justice league unlimited but he still clearly cares about the people he saves he constantly checks on them making sure there okay and comferts them he just can't stick around cuz he wants to prevent more death a core component of the charcter as batman values life more then anything

[@kouroshnahid4299]

Seriously, Atomsmith comparing Batman's fear toxin-influenced actions to a drunk person is so dumb... A drunk man voluntarily drinks excessively, so we can hold them accountable for assault. Batman, was fear gassed against his will, so the comparison makes no sense to me. Atomsmith's argument makes no sense there

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

Let me take a wild guess. Atomsmith votes Democrat

[@boardasf699]

I'm not even 1min into the video but Arkham Batman is the best Batman of all time

[@owenkinder1076]

I feel like you fell for AtomSmiths trap. Yu went into this video with the assumption that AtomSmith is being sincere about his take shown in the video, when in my unprofessional opinion, strongly think otherwise. He just made this poorly argued and downright incorrect video to farm hate and attention, and I think an hour long video dissecting his probably bullshitted points is probably the exact thing he wanted to see.

[@knightsofyore4385]

If the atoms vid was a rage bait post then why did he make a response video?

[@Yourfat247]

@@knightsofyore4385I’m guessing to farm more clicks for it because people will respond to him? 🤷‍♀️

[@owenkinder1076]

@knightsofyore4385 to get more views, obviously. If it worked the first time, it probably would the second in his mind.

[@knightsofyore4385]

@@owenkinder1076 your probably right. It’s sad that the views he was already getting wasn’t enough for him because I use to enjoy his videos 😔

[@shirosensei1204]

Song in the background?

[@gamerkane1813]

I swear I've gained a twitch from that stupid little puff of a laugh he lets out to try and make himself sound superior or belittle the point being made, it's so annoying.

[@darklordsonic9757]

the under the mayo take on arkham knight is worse

[@TheLegoguy2002]

i don't think you meant to use "ass clapped" at 5:20

[@whitebeard_d_banana]

Well atom you dicook this time

[@Dovah_Slayer]

My favorite part of the game is when Arkham Batman said its Arkhaming time and Arkhamed all over the place

[@randomblackguy218]

Just subscribe

[@ForkScratchingONplate]

This is not the worst arkham take i dont really care about atom smiths video i still like his content under the mayo is ass and has the worst arkham take and hes making it seem like atom smith hates arkham batman and the arkham games like sure his take isn't perfect but its not entirely invalid this batman is brutal and just because he beats up criminals doesn't mean he's also not just beating the shit out of mentally ill people also the fact is in arkham knight he's badly brutalizing criminals and on the rooftop after the siege on gcpd it is cannon that oracle told him to throw the criminals into the electrified fence so I would for sure consider it cannon i just feel like this guy and i are both too worked up about this one damn video

[@crypt5129]

Him calling Zsasz an animal does seem out of place, Batman is usually someone to recognize the humanity in everyone. For example, Killer Croc is seen by society at large as nothing more than an animal, and yet Batman in most canons makes a point out of calling him by his real name, recognizing his humanity even if he's rejected it because of how humanity has treated him

[@trevorpgamer1936]

in Zoned’s video he discusses how Zsasz is one of the most vicious criminals, having multiple scars for every kill he’s done, he may technically be a human but is mischievous intent makes him an animal

[@crypt5129]

@@trevorpgamer1936 This is a fucked-up way of thinking that I just don't think most iterations of Batman subscribe to. He typically makes a point out of refusing to dehumanize his villains even if society has already done so

[@Yourfat247]

@@crypt5129I mean the tapes literally state zasz will stalk and break out of Arkham just for his target lmao Also cash does the same thing, especially for croc

[@crypt5129]

@@Yourfat247 Your comment is phrased as if that was meant to counter what I said but that's more side information, everything I said remains untouched. Could just have read an intention into it that doesn't exist though

[@Necroverse19]

Batman has called villains all kinds of things throughout the years and Victor is very much an animal.

[@Forty3Snakes]

These are my favourite games ever I easily have over 1000 hours between all games on different platforms. Y’all need to stop. People can have their opinions seriously I saw a bunch of responses to some mayo guys video too. It’s OK not to like these games if anything you’re just proving their point more by acting like this. Grow up, dude.

[@Forty3Snakes]

This is an over an hour long video over one criticism of a game franchise that hasn’t had a new mainline title in years. I understand you’re free to speak your opinion too, but this is totally reached a obsessive point with over a hour long response.

[@kiteman02_64]

When someone posts a shit opinion, people are allowed to criticize it bro. Under the mayo didn't even finish the game and he started passing off his opinion in the most pretentious way possible. And when you post a discussion video, people are gonna discuss. You're acting like discussion is a bad thing. Maybe if atomsmith's opinion was formed by shit in the story, he wouldn't be clowned on so much. The fact that there's an hour of debunks in this video is a testament to how stupid atomsmith's opinion is.

[@Webslinger2005]

When people make factually incorrect statements like "Arkham Batman doesn't care about anyone and shows no emotions" or spew nonsense like "Arkham Knight feels like Batman porn" people are going to clown on them. Mayo himself stated that he didn't even finish the game yet he still posted a video where he discussed his thoughts about it. It's honestly a good thing that he didn't talk about the story that much considering he didn't even finish it.

[@Forty3Snakes]

@@Webslinger2005i said its okay to havw your own opinion in the first comment. Your calling the guy stupid and stuff when you just said its okay to have a opinion which i agree with but this game series gets almost no criticism and when it does i dont think the whole fan base needs to attack the guy calling his opinions stupid or “clown” on him. You can just ignore it. Its a opinion. You all need to grow up a bit.

[@Forty3Snakes]

@@Webslinger2005and batman is much colder in the arkham series than say the animated series so the criticism is somewhat justified he resembles the new batman adventures or justice league animated version much more i dojt know why thats “factually incorrect” its just a opinion and at the end of the day the games r still there your fine you dont need to go “clown” on someone for saying something you dont agree with

[@Sully..]

Dude gives a mild take and the fanboys freak out nothing he said warrants an over 1 hour long “response” this is kinda cringe and also hilarious at the same time

[@AvidCS]

This is a weird take considering he made a public video and people are allowed to respond. It has nothing to do with being a “fanboy” when Atomsmith blatantly misrepresents the events of the games lol.

[@nyx-0315]

His take is anything but "mild" since it misrepresents the arkham games also how are we being "fanboys freaking out"? We decided to make a response to a public video which is a very thing to do on this platform. It's over an hour long so we could try to provide context as well as not misrepresent the atomsmith. This video is also a response to 2 videos, not one. if it takes an hour to present context and arguments so we could be as thorough as possible I don't see the problem Comments like this are not helpful at all your not giving any significant criticisms to the video or defending the atomsmith at all.

[@Sully..]

@@nyx-0315 “how are we being fanboys freaking out ?” He asks but then proceeds to write a paragraph trying to defend someone making an over 1 hour long video that’s literally someone getting their panties in a twist over a differing opinion of how the protagonist of a dead game franchise acts and feels do you not hear how dumb this shit sounds ?

[@nyx-0315]

@@Sully.. funny how you downplay atomsmith by saying its a differing of opinion when said opinion is based on flawed information and arguements. The atomsith once again is an arkham focused channel who is misrepresenting the arkham games. We are not "getting our panties in a twist" when we make a response (I worked on the video) as opposed to harassing him. Also if we were petty, we would repesent him in a bad light. However instead in the response, we do not misrepresent him and instead give full context of his arguments as we are providing the counterarguments. How about instead of coping over this vid being over an hour long and downplaying the content, you actually engage and give criticism to what we are saying. If you don't want to fine just don't watch the video.