Doom II - MAP13: Downtown (Nightmare! 100% Secrets + Items)

[@cheetolord4008]

I love the way the pinkies came together to catch the single rocket at the end (6:49) It's almost like they died from a head-on turbo collision with each other XD

[@DinnerForkTongue]

That is hilarious 😂

[@michaelandreipalon359]

"If we go down, then we go down together! Let's show them *WE ARE BETTER!!!!"*

[@chezzington918]

This approach on nightmare was more of a relaxing downtown stroll 😂

[@nangsanbhalangblah333]

He was vibing for most of the map, it was great.

[@leov666]

0:36 neighborly closing the door behind him before unleashing a can of whoop-ass on the monsters inside 😂

[@Vytaan]

I love how much room there is for different routes in these open maps. So many possibilities!

[@BioShockisAWESOME]

That's classic doom

[@georgesb3388]

So much space! For activities!

[@odstagent1070]

Like for playing in co-op!

[@ReclusePhayder]

Oh hey Vy. Been watching your own playthrough of Doom II nightmare. Keep at it brother!

[@Vytaan]

@@ReclusePhayder Hey, thanks! :D Wouldn't have done it without decino kickstarting the 100% items idea, it's very fun to watch!

[@brandonschwertley2723]

This and Map12 were some of the few levels in Doom II that gave me an actual feel of fighting on a earth overtaken demons and the forces of hell. They are both still abstract in many ways because of the unique aspects of the doom engine not being able to have a second level without some tricks. But while you are sprinting across the streets being sniped by imps from the windows it feels more grounded.

[@samuelmay5670]

Bro this is literally what my city looks like, I always wondered why my neighbours were a little bit 'different'...

[@justinholland9844]

Yep, my mayor's an arachnotron.

[@Jvirus2]

I hate living in Chicago

[@AlteraLin]

You finally got a 2-shotgun blast pinky kill! :D

[@Damien.D]

"Your hometown has been invaded by hellish hordes!" "no problem" *steps outside, all demons happily fight each others*

[@AlexeiVoronin]

This level taught me to like urban environments in first-person shooters... even if it is below the quality of the city maps we see in Duke 3D or Blood. It gives me a genuine "Hell on Earth" kind of feel. I've seen some screenshots from an earlier version of this map and it seemed to have a harbor of sorts, with water and three pier-like areas. The only remnant of this nowadays are the three "dead-end streets" in the northern end of the map. BTW, it's really considerate of Decino to make sure Arachnotrons get enough of their beauty sleep ;)

[@hfc2x]

There's an interview with Bobby Prince where he describes earlier versions of this level being a lot larger and more detailed (and looking a lot more like a city), and how he actually composed "Into Sandy's City" for this level, and not MAP09.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

@@hfc2x This makes sense. I suppose they had to cut it down due to the hardware limitations of the time. MS-DOS's memory management could be so frustrating at times.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

​@@hfc2x If only someone would recreate that. Unless Odyssey of Noises already counts.

[@Turbine2k5]

>D

[@StillTheVoid]

@@AlexeiVoronin Until Windows 95 and 98 came along. >_>

[@GeminionRay]

It's been so long I forgot how scattered the items are in this map. Definitely a pain to collect all of them in Nightmare.

[@andyl8055]

I ran it the other day in UV. In the end I had to look up a guide on all the secrets; I couldn't remember the mega armour for example.

[@DarioToledo]

Many people hate this level but I liked it a lot back in the day. I appreciated a lot the open areas in Doom 2 that Doom 1 lacked at.

[@TonyAlicante28]

I remember playing this map on the 90s while listening heavy metal. Still some songs bring me images of certain moments.

[@lancebaylis3169]

I'll never forget how surprised I was the first time I played this map with multi-player tags turned on and realised there's a Cyberdemon walking around this level in co-op mode!

[@1pcfred]

Downtown is probably the most freeform map in all of the original Doom levels. There's so many teleporters.

[@Raz_ei]

honestly, i haven't ever watched your gameplay videos, but after deciding to watch one a week ago i actually really enjoy them! wish more people watched them

[@kelleroid]

This is where Doom II *really* gets difficult. I mean gets into the city levels. All in all even if most of the buildings didn't have any kind of realistic insides this map not only gave every player an official taste of urban demon combat, but also inspired many map makers that thought "I can do better". Now that I think about it jumping from skyscraper to skyscraper and only sticking around for one floor of it is how Doom Eternal's Final Sin level plays as well! ... tbh I'm just really happy that Doom Eternal managed to give justice to the Hell on Earth idea with modern 3D artwork and design.

[@TheKalZul]

Every time I see that arrow I can only think of Civvie and his intense dislike for this level. Brilliant run as always Decino!

[@durdleburdle3521]

You're right, this map didn't seem so difficult to play. The challenge seems to be the routing, so well done for that.

[@avvn9331]

Nice map, invulnerability was really useful, nice walk through felt easy

[@Geniraul]

I remember the amount of time this map used to take me on UV, maybe like from 20 to 30 minutes? Congratulations on 6:48 on NM! P. S. Paying my traditional homage to the arrow as well :)

[@Nob1ej0n]

That was a good route. I also didn't consider how useful being silent would be in the early stages. I think I was more worried about this map than you were. Haha

[@BigPashPlays]

This map is a textbook example of how drastically NM can change your route compared with UVMax. I really liked this one.

[@kennethchia4194]

I have always loved this map just for trying to run around like a madman getting everything to infight without ever shooting a shot. Of course, that's always on UV, whereas you make Nightmare look like a cakewalk.

[@dryued6874]

Imagine being a demon and seeing the Doomguy close the door behind him.

[@victoriouswinner7745]

As a wise man once said “if you need to add an arrow to your map telling the player where to go, ITS NOT A GOOD MAP”

[@AposineYT]

Do compasses count? Because I quite like MAP22...

[@chainz983]

Civvie?

[@Gencoil]

Yeah and if you wanna lead the player in a certain direction I'm sure there are more subtle and tasteful ways to do it.

[@GeminionRay]

@@chainz983 Yeah Pro Doom 2 but reworded a little.

[@engrpiman]

Last time I played the map I didn't go into the room the arrow was pointing at

[@ГеоМимик]

Just as usual. Decino passed the whole map in less time then I spend stranding in search for some trigger.

[@YeenMage]

When you said "The Arachnotrons will stays asleep", I suddenly remember the music for Bloodfalls - Adrian's Asleep.

[@smellbow]

watching this series at total random, as an old fart that played all the classic doom games back in 93 on an antique PC for hours and hours, its amazing to see secrets I never ever knew existed :D Great series!

[@goldenhog]

1:29 decino reaches that juicy blue Soul Sphere that he was thirsty for at the start! 5:25 EZ backwards jump final thot: decino continues to impress us with his skillz. i actually like this level a lot. it seems enough like a city to me. it was 1994 for crying out loud. the id guys weren't doing "doomcute." they didn't even know what that was, and they had limited time to come up with this. praise sandy. i hope sandy makes new doom maps soon. he's gonna retire soon, and he said he might make doom levels then. let's pray for that...

[@MattyMattyP]

There's nothing more comforting after a long day at work than cracking a cold one and hearing "Greetings, everyone!", followed by 20 minutes of calculated alien zombie slaughter. ❤

[@hsantanna88]

Decino, I started playing Doom 2 no-saves, pistol start UV 100% + items the day you started your doom 2 nightmare run. Even though it's my childhood game, I am a total noob. I barely finish UV in the "normal way." The first maps were pretty straightforward, so I eventually reached this one before you, and after my, I don't know, 20th attempt, watching and re-watching your old UV classic doom 2 run; I kept wondering how you would even do Downtown on Nightmare. And damn, there it is. What a clean run. I would NEVER think about not firing once to not alert the little spideys and get the supercharge. Amazing!

[@mrtophat965]

I remember the first time playing this map. I was lost for 15 minutes until I looked up a guide for this level.

[@XPY5]

Decino, i just wanted to tell you that your videos are incredible. I have decided to take on doom 2 on nightmare with you, however i'm still stuck on map 9 😅. But i could not beat many of the maps i have done without your content. I have been a fan for more than 3 years at this point and you never disappoint me. I aspire to make people's lives better like you do one day. I'm only 15 right now though so we might have to wait on that lol. But please never stop being you, you are one of the most entertaining, informative, and helpful doomtubers ever ❤❤❤

[@XPY5]

I also love how much you love your community. You always read our comments and reply to them. It is so awesome and it cheers me up every time i see a little heart on my comment

[@chriswaudby1084]

Another perfect optimization of the route there man well done👌👌

[@andyl8055]

I’ve been wrong about the maps that would be challenging so far. Thinking industrial zone will be given you have to get all items but I’m sure you’ll pwn it. Loving your series so far, mate!

[@fuzzix]

5:52 "Excuse me, please." "Not at all, entirely my fault - good day!"

[@FloodclawKupo]

Very nicely done! Even when practiced with deaths, you make these look eeeeeasy, it's easy to forget that a single slipup can mean a painful death. When I was doing this, that jump to the Revenant ledge was the killer of many a run. Some days they just feel really intent on blocking you. With co-op monsters on, there's even a Cyberdemon roaming around that ledge too to splash you off or block you sometimes. Usually it's Romero tossing in Cybers everywhere in co-op, not Sandy....

[@OldMovieRob]

I always loved the challenge of this very open this level. Well, not on Nightmare setting of course...

[@lukehoudini]

Thank you so much for uploading a video each day pumpkinman

[@AposineYT]

Right on time. I was just checking the front page wondering if today's map had been uploaded.

[@ToxicBarrel]

Doomguy stealthily moving around the destroyed city like a ninja. He's the Ghost of Downtown.

[@scottl.1568]

New rule: From now on you've got to run around waking all these monsters up before proceeding to the killings... New rule 2: When you get to Map 24 Chasm, you must start FROM the Nukage pit... New rule 3: One hundred percent of the kills must be earned ONLY through monster infighting. New rule 4: Kill a monster with a LINEDEV

[@dotcomgamingd5564]

you know what always pissed me off about doom 2 maps? and why i've never completed pistol starting the entire game? the fact that more than a few have no super shotgun pickups, in a game very much designed around that weapon.

[@SkullKingofCarpathia]

The execution of this level was masterful, reminds me of playing DOOM II on nightmare back in the day before my newer, more recent runs. The RNG is relentless sometimes though

[@CaveyMoth]

You know, one thing you don't get in modern games is the demand for imagination due to the gameplay and art design limitations. There is something whimsical about being able to convince yourself that this map takes place in an actual city. The suspension of disbelief is comforting in a nostalgic way.

[@YizzTheEunuch]

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[@ІванДзенісюк]

Very clever run. It requirs good understanding how Doom engine works.

[@odstagent1070]

I remember that getting into this level as a kid was a real achievement (I wasn't pretty good at the time and some sections felt overwhelming) i had an Xbox at the time with Doom 3 ROE, good times

[@rankoinazuma6788]

Ah, Downtown...Prolly I don't have much to think about this one. Only thing midly annoying to me was the 4 teleporters sector.

[@XzMondayNightzX]

Oh it's the place where the *Big Arrow intensifies*. I remember this a little to well.

[@O51OMEGA]

Every time I hear your intro, Decino, I can only hear 'Greetings...welcome to my 100% play through of Sunlust' for some reason

[@cdcdrr]

I expected this to be worse, because I remember the city levels as having lots of weak hitscanners located on high platforms in areas you are constantly revisiting. Thus making it rather pointless to kill them, while they still keep chipping away at your health all the damn time. But this one has surprisingly little of that, just arachnotrons that fire streams of plasma. I'm sure that's about to change.

[@kelleroid]

Respawning chaingunner towers coming very soon!

[@thinkforyourself2109]

I remember that one. Played it for hours. You navigate it so easily.

[@georgeheilman885]

The scattering of items can be a bit of a challenge but having two invulnerability spheres does give you a boost. I don't blame you for skipping certain areas, Nightmare's all about efficiency.

[@tarakzair2036]

Making my way downtown, walking fast, demons pass and I’m hellbound 🎶

[@DFFfanalltheway]

Unironically my favorite map from Doom 2!

[@xMrGreeneJeansx]

Spoiling me with more "sneaky decino." I love it.

[@ShinoSarna]

A lot of people seem to hate this map but honestly, on my first playthrough it wasn't that bad? It was a bit hard to realize what to do next after killing all demons, but there are way more obtuse maps than this, and the combat is fun.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

'Course, fellow DCAU Batman fan, a first time run opinion may change over time via replays.

[@welshman100]

This was one of my favourite level when I was little.

[@scottl.1568]

It ain't fun when the video is over before I can even think up a decent comment to type

[@kharnethebetrayer4125]

I used to hate this level, but it has grown on me over the years.

[@lukebehrendsbro.]

Still love this map, but yeah it does seem hard but time yourself right and then your good to go with Invun's. Nightmare Mode is a pain sometimes. Regardless, it's still a very cool map to see and this music fits it well. Good job out there. 🙂👍

[@_vez]

Easier than I expected

[@Quillyik]

Civvie mocked the map for being too convoluted and sandy needing arrows to point it out, to an extent I agree, but I like having a lot of places to go and a lot of things to explore.

[@Therealdaveez]

How was anyone supposed to figure this out in 1994

[@williamsmith666]

"Downtown fucking NOWHERE!!"

[@jrock718]

Nice run pumpkin man

[@matheusrios4223]

He did it again fellas, map 14 is next and we're one step closer to find out how our hero will do map 15. Or at least I am since he still needs to go for the secret exit there

[@nickkovaliov3525]

30 years ago that was my favorite level ;-)

[@pana_off]

Thank you man 🙏

[@kizmetmars]

1:00 There's your two shot, three and a two shot pinky. And you say you never have any good luck.

[@plankera]

I like this map, the scenery must have been top notch for 1994 (I wasn’t alive yet) and I still think it looks rather good today. Also last I checked there aren’t any pain elementals on this map 2:38.

[@mcbeav]

you finally got your 2 shot shotgun pinky kill

[@silentone3852]

We're going all the way! Downtown! 🌆

[@sempersasha]

The 21-st of March is the World Down Syndrome Day. And namely on this day Decino completed the DOWNtown! What a mystic coincidence!!!

[@GazaAli]

Oh this map was such a pain in the ass!

[@nolan412]

Greetings pumpkin man. An oasis from that other pumpkin man.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Unless this is one of those city areas where only walkers, skateboards, and maybe even segways are allowed, this place sorely needed road textures.

[@Ironstarfish]

I still think it's one of everyone's least favorite Doom II maps though, I will still watch it and continue my nostalgia

[@eldandraken4850]

Quite a scavenger hunt, i would had missed multiple items, multiple times XD

[@Chunes3]

I recently got wrecked trying to pistol start this map on UV. Knowing where to go and why is really important here.

[@iguana9173]

So much for no deaths. Hopefully next time.

[@DEdens1525]

Love this map

[@eduardodiaz9942]

To Sandy's credit, the map kinda looks like a city. But that arrow, though.

[@dariusfadavi7188]

All hail Sandy's Sacred Arrow

[@fellow_doomer]

yep this sure definitely is a city!

[@nathanlamont9920]

I couldn't beat this level with fast monsters + pistol start + 100% kills + 100% secrets

[@TheBrassDancer]

Doom II seems quite conservative with Pinkies. The Revenants do a fairly good job of area denial here too.

[@reptongeek]

Just remembering where all the items are is tricky for me, particularly considering I don't have the HUD

[@adinocc2042]

Map29: Odyssey of Noises, from Final DOOM: the Plutonia Experiment, is a great spiritual successor to Downtown. Give it a try, it's fun.

[@decino]

I dislike that one even more. Empty map with not much going on + those stupid parkour sections.

[@adinocc2042]

@@decino True. It can get annoying tho.

[@try1992]

Thx for the help

[@chiqi335]

when i was a kid always got lost in this map and never got all secrets. 9 maps before swiss cheese.

[@lhfirex]

Now the map is renamed to decinotown because he owns it!

[@pannomic1818]

i love this city

[@enrisantos6704]

I'm playing through DOOM II on UV 100% Kills and Secrets Pistol-start for the first time now, taking my time to learn and enjoy the maps. This map sucked so much, it's terrible. And also, I've only found the megaarmor secret after all kills, having to go through the whole map with almost no armor, so that was a lot of fun Great video, decino!

[@jorgegdv2011]

Decino, una pregunta para usted: Si jugaras un nivel en el cual ya llevas una semana jugando y digamos mil intentos fallidos, ¿serias capaz de subir a KZbin admitiendo tu derrota o persistirias hasta vencer ese nivel asi te tome un mes y diez mil intentos?

[@decino]

I'd lower the difficulty or use saves and still upload it.

[@crit-c4637]

Hey! 1st Pinky was a 2-shot kill. 👏

[@kroktal8896]

I think that's where my UV run ended

[@Moleoflands]

Yet another time Decino is glad that there's no multiplayer monsters this map lol

[@decino]

That extra Cyberdemon would actually be really useful.

[@Moleoflands]

@@decino I could also see it being scamworthy if it blocks your jumps though

[@maltardraco9555]

Into Sandy's City.

[@Olek54321]

1:04 1:18 you see? sometimes you can 2-shot pinkie :D looks like on Nightmare sometimes the less you shoot, the better. But only sometimes :D