Decisive Strike Buffed, Twins Potential Horror, and More - Dead by Daylight March Patch Notes

[@seelthedeal_]

Scott didn't mention "Killer mori animations can now be viewed in the store." which more or less confirms new, paid moris are coming at least eventually

[@ZS-bg7jo]

In the mobile version, several cosmetics have a bespoke Mori with them. Hopefully that comes over too.

[@Mazerwolf]

Scott usually doesn’t care about cosmetics at all

[@yanyan_r1]

There’s also the in-game store DLC character packs. Hopefully this is a sign for cross progression since in that new game mode survey, they asked whether we would still want cross progression if it meant having to repurchase DLC characters for the platform chosen

[@WockhartEnthusiast]

cant wait for them to dripfeed one or two mori's a year, just gonna be another gimmick feature like the "emblems" of which there are like, 3 of.

[@kermoots9261]

It already exists, but at a very limited scale with legendary skins

[@FeltUmbrella]

Depipping being no longer a thing is such a massive win for everyone

[@noHarmony1]

I might actually get back into the game just because of that. Now when I get nursed I don´t have that feeling of "not only is my time wasted, its actively ruining my progress" feeling for the entirety of the match. I love it!

[@rabbidguarddog]

​@noHarmony1 yeah I was starting to dread how long it was taking me to get to iri now I don't have to worry about that super dub

[@djandjb1]

That actually the opposite direction you want them ti go if you want them to go back on MMR. I miss the old pip system and how it affected matchmaking. You could control it, meaning smudging was easier, but it also meant you could have fun games of varying quality and didn’t need to sweat every game if you got past a certain threshold. Frankly I’m fine with MMR now myself, but I feel like no longer being able to de-pip just makes popping less meaningful.

[@TheSpawnTrapper]

@@djandjb1 They aren't ever going back on MMR.

[@evan5102]

Honestly may get back into the game tbh

[@shimmley4677]

This just in: Scott Jund found dead in his home after discussing his positive opinions on decisive strike. Bearded Spanish man seen leaving the crime scene.

[@mcr00kes]

I hear the "otz" of the police finding the killer are slim!

[@mr.squidopus3763]

Careful! He’ll come for you next if you’re too hot on his trail

[@metagamer1341]

He was heard screaming something about an "FaQ" before the body was found

[@tobiebrown3756]

Famous commentator "Hexy" has been detained due to matching eyewitness accounts

[@SqueletteCoolG]

This sounds awfully like that guy that impersonates otz

[@ScoopsAhoySteve]

The Freddy buff was so good that Scott couldn’t even believe his own eyes and skipped right over it

[@Enigma-c9v]

Scott forgot the best part of the adrenaline nerf: it dont wake you up from the dream work anymore

[@noahleach7690]

When someone starts maining Freddy I’m sure they’ll be happy

[@windindi2834]

​@@noahleach7690Freddy main. Very happy.

[@Enigma-c9v]

@@noahleach7690 You're talking to a Freddy main

[@flamedramon68]

Freddy Mains getting crumbs but it's a win

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

Maybe that one freddy main will come back to the game now

[@Pikwii]

Seeing “improved collision detection” could mean literally anything and it’s scary. I didn’t even think about hug tech, but rather the times when you bounce when you don’t want to. We’ll have to wait and see, but this could be massive.

[@Amyaddisoniscool]

I dev confirmed it will remove the hug tech

[@TheRennat47]

Many (a dev) confirmed this will remove hug tech or at least make it harder to hug tech

[@blakedudley4692]

If this removes hug tech but improves consistent collision you survivor mains are in for a bad time. A good blight with reliable collision is going to be a nightmare

[@redhusky7439]

Dev note: It could be frustrating to slide off an object you were trying to bump into and end your Rush prematurely. We have improved the collision detection to make The Blight’s Rush more consistent. This also fixes an issue which allowed The Blight to incorrectly slide along obstacles and lunge around tighter corners than intended. ---------LOOKS like they did address hug tech.

[@Pikwii]

@@blakedudley4692 saying “you survivor mains” is such a bad statement man. This video game isn’t some “Us vs Them” war lol

[@lunnefisk4344]

hey breathe right strip, guys here, it's a scott. 7.7.0 ptb victor sounds like charlotte can deploy old legion but he gets killed by trying to pounce on flights of stairs. i think the ideal fix is twins remains unchanged but now you queue up as twins in a 2man with your buddy eric and one of you plays victor and the other charlotte so the match doesnt take forty six years

[@invalidusername6158]

This sounds like when people try to have a conversation with you when you just woke up.

[@hotafek]

Lunne spotted 🥰

[@its_sun7906]

hi lunne :)

[@g80gzt]

Make the un-controlled half of the killer be AI controlled. Addon to disable the AI and return to old twins.

[@wtgkanp2431]

that's actually a neat concept, probably extremely unbalanced. but it could make a fun new game mode if they needed ideas.

[@keltonschleyer6367]

They’re called The Twins because two people play them 😂

[@Paramore_your_Decode]

I'm actually laughing

[@loricwhovian3761]

I had to switch to Mobile just to comment. I didn't get it at first but this made me really laugh.

[@justin4203]

I feel like the Adrenaline change does nothing to SWF, but makes it worse for Solo Queue. Because as a SWF, you can just 99 that last generator until you unhook the survivor, then pop the gen. Meanwhile in Solo Queue, your teammates have no idea if you have adrenaline, and they just complete the gen and your perk does nothing.

[@bloxer9563]

Adrenaline change was terrible

[@angelus1738]

but if you just leave the gen 99'ed you're just stalling the game. Nobody is opening exit gates, nobody is doing anything. It would be more worth it to just pop the gen and get the gates open for the person being saved

[@doug2555]

But now you can at least hook them and know that they either pop the gen and they don't get adren or you go pressure the gen especially with pop. You described a perfectly ideal scenario which just isn't super realistic

[@noahleach7690]

To be fair the issue currently is that they can 99 a gate and then unhook someone with adren, with the new changes the killer could be on their way to the gen that’s 99ed, the gates won’t even have been started as that person is unhooked, I see your point but it is still a nerf to swf

[@doug2555]

@larsliamvilhelm When it does pop it's game changing, too much for 1 perk that all survivors can run

[@youngfxx8437]

Hey Scott! Guys here. We love your content😃

[@saihiko9967]

I will say the problem with twins is that VICTOR doesn't count as being in a chase ! So if thats the chase expect a lot of low boldness games when fighting twins if the killer mainly uses victor, so maybe they fixed it on the side i hope

[@TheLovecraftian]

It would be funny if BHVR just forgot that Ultimate Weapon inflicts Blindness.

[@uggZymoroon]

My 20 says they did leave it in

[@epblu]

Blindness is almost useless anyways so I wouldn't blame them

[@Vgomes-go6ht]

@@epbluehh with so many people relying on Windows of opportunity the blindness actually gives value sometimes

[@one_vegan_boi1097]

@@epblu It's not really about the usefulness but rather if the perk activates covert or overt.

[@epblu]

@@Vgomes-go6ht I just think it needs another effect for me to actually consider it as more than a side piece in my build

[@CarbonC0le]

I don't know why I found this so funny, but when Scott says "Fortnite lookin' ass store" I just busted out laughing.

[@alexflorek6527]

I think many people including behaviour never realized how strong of a chase power Victor was on his own, he can get guaranteed hits, pretty much anywhere if played correctly. He's really fast, he can outplay windows and pallets if needed, and fairly easy to control, the reason its gone so unnoticed is because of how rare it is to see Twins players, and because his use was limited with all his restrictions (and pretty reasonably so) The one and only thing I feel I can never reliably dodge after 5k hours in this game is Victor and his pounces, at that point, I'd rather be chased by a Nurse, no joke. Victor's gonna go nuts with these new changes.

[@floofzykitty5072]

It's not noticed because you are incentivised not to hit healthy survivors. He's like Demo if he didn't slow down at all while charging shred but if you hit a survivor your power goed on CD for a long time.

[@groudonmario]

Honestly Twins is so strong, the only reason no one plays them is they feel horrible to play

[@dr.catinstein4296]

They literally just need to not remove the latching, that's it

[@alexflorek6527]

@@floofzykitty5072 Well, I meant that the antiloop ability Victor gives you is actually one of the strongest, probably the second strongest after Plague's red puke in itself, which is highly overlooked. And now that Victo won't have a cooldown, he will steam roll your 2 health states, as Scott mentioned.

[@Kaffeebohne122]

yes, 100% agree. victor is what makes twins strong but people aren't aware of that cause no one plays them. victors chase and anti loop ability is insane, he is fast, he has a massive hitbox, fast charge time, you're not safe anywhere against victor, pretty much only god pallets help if you have enough distance to still drop them. if the twins player is half decent you're not gonna last long against him. these twins changes are highly problematic, I hope the devs realize this before it goes to live.

[@user-Darknugget6588]

Can't wait see the 7 new three gens this new Haddonfield creates

[@CandyFlossEnjoyer]

3 gens aren't a thing anymore lmfao why are you crying

[@user-Darknugget6588]

@@CandyFlossEnjoyer I'm not I'm just saying that they're going to fuck this rework up for the fourth time also you can still 3 gen and it's just as unfun and interactive for both sides as ever

[@grayrim]

Ultimate weapon just feels weird to use if you’re a killer that doesn’t interact with lockers. Most perks that activate by doing other interactions feel more seamless because you’re actually doing something, like kicking a gen.

[@Default_Claudette_Morrel]

Prob needed a condition the killer could easily do to activate it when it was available it.

[@metagamer1341]

To be fair having a perk be almost passive results in some questionable balance as well *cough cough* Nowhere to hide *COUGH COUGH WHEEEZE*

[@llyukll]

it's even weirder to use when you also brought Plaything, couldn't be me wondering where everyone was.

[@Trident_Gaming03]

Damn, the devs were cooking with Twins for so long, they ended up burning them

[@just.Harley]

oh my gosh I'm no longer gonna depip for playing chest defender bubba, we're so back

[@llyukll]

looks like fun is back on the menu boys!

[@Flawed_Creations]

@@llyukllwhy is it that depipping, even though it gets reset every month, feels so bad? Legit I used to have more fun in the game when I took it less seriously and didn’t play to win every game. Don’t know what happened to gaming but it seems thats the trend nowadays

[@107frenchy]

​@jonathangutierrez1931 Because some games just feel like they're out of your control entirely. Depipping because I got into a lobby with a tunneling nurse/seal team six swf feels terrible.

[@pantless1472]

Seeing Hex: Ruin and Decisive Strike get their nerfs reverted, I’m hoping for Spine Chill or Iron Will to see a revert too. Yes, it’s wishful thinking.

[@alexlessa009]

maybe they should keep the exaustion nerf on Iron Will but make it 100% again

[@ethanhanes4427]

Am i missing the Hex Ruin nerf revert? I dont see it.

[@nighthawk8069]

Spine chill needs something, its one of the worst perks in game now

[@pantless1472]

@@ethanhanes4427 They removed the death deactivation.

[@gremlinwc8996]

@@ethanhanes4427 same update that reworked billy and added Alan Wake, it made it so ruin doesn't deactivate after someone dies

[@Night_Hawk_475]

The Twins was clearly built originally around the idea that viktor's pounce was going to be hit nearly every time. The old design "balanced" this (or attempted to) through the fact that you could only get a single health state off this if the survivors stayed uninjured, which meant you could end up investing a lot of time in getting that health state and then they had a chance to run and make use of the distance between viktor and charlotte before receiving any more hits. This rework seems absolutely cursed, it take's viktor's gauranteed pounce and now lets you use it multiple times without swapping back to charlotte. I agree that this does seem like it will.... at least mostly.... help combat the slugging style. (People may still leave viktor pinning a survivor while they chase to use that 10% speed for another super easy hit on a different survivor). Obviously we won't know till we see people playing with it, but this definitely feels like they buffed the crap out of her just to finally change the way people use her. "Careful what you wish for, survivor mains" - is that the main message here? lmao. I would have rather had a rework to the bleedout system so that people getting slugged don't even have the chance of being stuck there for four minutes doing nothing, it's just an awful design feature to experience, and it comes up repeatedly. I really liked someone else's suggestion of letting players crawl faster if they hold sprint, but making them bleed out 2-4 times as fast so they have a useful option that lets them get out faster. I'd even go so far as to allow them to pick themselves up exactly one time per match if their bleedout gets below 10-20% on the meter, to strongly incentivize killers to pick up all survivors and not lose track of them on the floor. (Just please god not the awful system they teased a year-ish ago where they were going to give everyone unbreakable after just being on the ground for 30-40 seconds, and allow repeated uses of it - that seems way more awful than a one time use that takes much longer to activate)

[@Burger19985]

twins now plays like short legion playing victor 90% of the match and then trying to whack survivors before they heal with charlotte

[@atinybard6594]

I wouldnt be surprised if some of the twins add ons they are reworking remove victors increased movement speed. Now that successful pounces cant be punished, victor doesnt need to be moving at such crazy high speeds. They might have just removed them or changed the effect entirely now - Forest stew and Toy Soldier I think?

[@MultiKbarry]

Forest Stew and Madeleine’s Scarf are more for map traversing. The speed isn’t needed in the chase since Victor already can rush survivors down no issue.

[@waveeyes]

My guess is that sword is 100% getting nerfed/reworked. They made the current effect baseline, and judging by how BHVR has handled similar buffs in the past I see no reason to not do it here too. Then I hope they are reworking the cat figurine too since currently the "target" area it draws can make it really hard to see anything (I wouldn't bet on it, but I hope they do). As for the rest, none of them stands out off the top of my head.

[@Reinami66]

10:03 Correct, you can already do that, and now it is stronger. The problem with all of these anti-tunnel perks is that they can be used OFFENSIVELY to force the killer into an unwinnable decision. You either go after the guy in your face preventing you from going after someone else, then eat the anti-tunnel build, or you are forced to waste time on that person letting the other escape. They should do this, but then also make it so instead of getting endurance after unhook, you have 0 collision and hitbox for 10-15 seconds. That way you not only CANNOT be tunneled, but you also can OFFENSIVELY use these types of things against the killer.

[@muysli.y1855]

Yep as Surv i also like the 0 collision change no bodyblock in indoor maps

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

Naw. You ain't getting that zero collision. Everyone who says that has no idea what kind of stupid situations that would create. Those unwinnable situations you mentioned, yeah, that would happen much more by removing the HURTBOX after unhooking.

[@grassyassy1533]

@larsliamvilhelmI finally agree with you on this one

[@NewSirenSong]

​@@WutTheDeuceGaming0 collision prevents offensive body blocking, if the worst that can happen is a survivor has no collision for 10-15 seconds after an unhook and can't be hit is that they can't be tunneled they the player in question has enormous skill issues

[@Alex-hg7ng]

@larsliamvilhelm Oh so you forgot the longer chase time that will be required to catch the survivor that got the bodyblock ultimately voiding the time you gained with the down on the other guy? Before typing this stuff please think 2 steps ahead every time please, and dont try to say "but nurse.... but blight....." there are 40 killers in the game

[@podurt2557]

They probably changed Ultimate Weapon from causing survivors to scream to just revealing them due to how insane UW was with Dead Man's Switch, you could hook a survivor, open a locker near them then walk around until you get a reveal which would also cause DMS to activate due to survivors being forced off the gen to do the scream animation, it was especially strong on smaller maps like Midwich and especially on killers who could manipulate their terror radius

[@HexBubbins]

I will die on this hill but I think Ultimate Weapon should activate when you open a locker and survivors within your radius at the time are revealed then and there. No walking around with it. I had the same opinion when survivors screamed. It should just be locker based, not travel around based.

[@Luna.Tenebra]

EXACTLY

[@FatherAntithetical]

"Dont tunnel you won't get hit by them" "And I took offence to that" *brings Background player, DS, Unbreakable, Flashbang, and a sabo box, and just follows you around after being unhooked so you can't pick anyone up but also can't pick me up if you do down me, and can locker hop so you can't down me and move on*

[@Helena-me6mp]

Noooooooooo survivor so weak :((

[@Hxpnoticghost]

That never happens if the killer has 2 brain cells

[@Helena-me6mp]

@@Hxpnoticghost Ok so whats the counterplay?

[@ScottJund]

Isn't saboing a hook a conspicuous action

[@Helena-me6mp]

@@ScottJund with background player, you are gone anyway

[@PikaMario]

"This is either going to force killers to get better at the game or they're just going to stop playing." Based

[@Alex-hg7ng]

You should look at 2021 queue times, i dont think you want any of that happening again sir

[@theotherauthor740]

@@Alex-hg7ng killer is literally the easiest it’s ever been, we’ll be fine with one more slightly annoying thing to play around.

[@Kondziorek55]

FINALLY they made DS the way I wanted it to be, 5 seconds like older DS but with the new DS' restrictions, I've been begging for this for ages.

[@illitaret8780]

It’s broken

[@illitaret8780]

Swfs are gonna run 4 decisive 4 otr ggs

[@imhoenn5710]

It's almost as if BHVR forgot the entire reason they nerfed DS to begin with. Even as a survivor main I know how problematic and abusable DS is. I'm sorry killer mains if this hits live.

[@3FIGNEWTONEATR]

@@illitaret8780 Dead hard and DS. Cheeky ones may even bring Mettle of Man. In that scenario with full value, from Healthy to being hooked it will take 5 hits. :I

[@watchoutz6969]

Here’s a crazy idea for everyone complaining… don’t tunnel. I know, that’s crazy right. It’s almost like you take a risk that you’re going to get your shit rocked if you try to remove someone from the game early. Not to mention you can still just wait 60 seconds.

[@czms922]

Still weird to see DBD getting a monthly update

[@Bodyknock]

Regarding Ultimate Weapon, I think the devs were simply saying that survivors will be less likely to notice when it triggers because they're not screaming. Yes, if you're watching the HUD icons carefully you'll notice the Blindness icon come up (unless maybe you were already Blind from something else possibly?), but if you're busy doing something else you might not be paying that close attention to that part of the screen and miss it.

[@zandromex8985]

Normally perks that inflict stautus effects like this show themselves i the corner of your screen don´t they? So literally it will be screaming itself out.

[@Bodyknock]

@@zandromex8985 Again, there's a difference between a small icon appearing in the corner of the screen and your character making a loud scream. The latter is definitely easier to spot than the former. P.S. No, an icon changing isn't "literally" screaming.

[@corpkat-1868]

Don’t forget that now that the scream is gone, Ultimate Weapon doesn’t work with totem builds anymore, which imo is crucial for any hex build, especially Devour Hope

[@cathemeraltheenby6840]

​@@corpkat-1868do people use UW in hex builds? Seems pointless to me.

[@clusterfeld8192]

Ultimate weapon has been hard nerfed, bc now survivors can just counter it with distortion like all the other information perks.

[@bubbajoe117]

Glad i'm not the only one calling this out, Distortion rats gonna be eating good this patch.

[@zizoegy8460]

I'm surprised nobody else mentioned this point. The reason people ran Ultimate Weapon in the first place because Distortion exists. Now it's just another perk that Distortion destroys.

[@MultiKbarry]

It also reduces the usefulness of Calm Spirit. All the while giving Distortion more. Calm Spirit gamers suffer.

[@SolanersRevengee]

good. people were tired of screaming every 5 seconds

[@nicane-9966]

Its perfect. Its not like there is gonna be 4 distortion anyway, there is always people to find, people are tired of aura reading perks, the stealth was completely removed from the game and that shouldnt be the case if people want to stealth it should be a possibility like it used to be, sad that you need a perk to do it becsuse there are 20 aura perks.

[@nathangothan601]

Vile Scott: “Just stop tunneling” Killers who tunnel: 😠

[@jackcrel7111]

Well now there is a problem with the uw change the game now promotes the tunneling of non distortion user. Use aura reading and only one survivor shows up what do you expect to happen.

[@NewSirenSong]

​@@jackcrel7111That's the poorest excuse for tunneling I've heard in a while, use traditional methods of tracking to find the survivors. If you can't be bothered to do that and need your perk to even manage to find one of four survivors on the map then the skill issue is extremely deep

[@jackcrel7111]

@@NewSirenSong didn't say anything about the traditional tracking methods just that distortion in a way promotes the tunneling of non distortion users. Especially if the distortion survivor plays selfishly

[@Afrochilla]

⁠@@jackcrel7111if the distortion survivor is playing selfishly then you are already winning as killer. The reason 99% of teams lose because they are disorganized or reckless, and hiding in a bush with distortion is an easy way to get your whole team killed. Not that most dbd players have ever cared about their team anyways... Most dbd players seem to only care about their own personal gaming experience and not others'. That's fine, just don't expect a nice community if you're gonna play selfish 24/7.

[@Greycobalt]

Oh boy a distortion rat buff and lazy aura reading change that's borderline identical to other aura reading perks. All they had to do was increase the cooldown significantly, but no, now we have an Ultimate Weapon without a unique identity that gets hardcountered by one of the most annoying perks in the game

[@greg8510]

maybe instead of it showing a survivor it’s shows the aura of the most progressed generator 🤷‍♂️ and also applies blindness to survivors who were on the affected gen

[@fart63]

It should’ve just made them scream.

[@epblu]

I think they're just moving away from interrupting action perks because Survivor players think they're irritating

[@SissypheanCatboy]

Bro leave us distortion players alone. Some of us just want to play the game stealthy without getting revealed every 5 seconds by one of 500 different aura reading perks.

[@jackcrel7111]

@@SissypheanCatboy problem comes that distortion users wind up getting non distortion users tunneled out. (Aka not being found leaving only the non distortion users to be caught and hooked)

[@MrMajorMayhem]

I wonder how removing De-Pips will effect the "Hardcore Survivor" Series.🤔. Such a great QoL change.

[@DrewpyCheekz]

The Blight change is for when you are looking directly at a rock, tree, or side of a hill, rush at it, and somehow fail to bump off it. It happens literally every time I play Blight.

[@illitaret8780]

So u slide around it, hug even?

[@themr_wilson]

"If you're worried about these anti-tunnel perks, don't tunnel" Solutions often are truly that simple

[@fart63]

Killers will never give up tunneling, for like half of all killer players it’s their favorite thing to do.

[@serpent9423]

I'd stop tunneling if survivors stop abusing anti tunnel perks like make me hit them instead of the guy I chased

[@akbossk5317]

@@serpent9423ah yes the endless cycle

[@jackcrel7111]

Not really non distortion users are now gonna get tunneled by virtue of they can be found.

[@OrdinaryApprentice99]

If I see survivors hugging gens when I’m literally behind them I will tunnel the living hell out of them. It is my right to do so. You tunnel the gen? I tunnel you.

[@Cynorkis]

I’ve already seen complaints about the decisive change on twitter

[@noahleach7690]

Twitter users blamed a plane crash on a pilot being black, not on the plane malfunctioning, twitter is allergic to intelligent thought

[@nickdavid1846]

Twitter is such a sad place

[@fart63]

Your first problem was going on twitter

[@Cynorkis]

@@fart63 the DBD drama on twitter is pretty funny to watch tbf

[@xxprototypexx5056]

They aren't wrong to complain about it though. This buff is just gunna encourage it to be used offensively, which was one of the main reasons it got nerfed to begin with.

[@DerrylHopkins]

You skipped over the change to Adrenaline that used to make it wake Survivors up! Us three Freddy players are very miffed!!!

[@ScottJund]

its honestly so irrelevant i didnt even bother

[@DerrylHopkins]

@@ScottJund D:

[@kupcakez]

Isn't having survivors asleep better for Freddy?

[@DerrylHopkins]

@@kupcakez I just meant he skipped over mentioning Freddy entirely. 😔

[@dodang_9147]

@@ScottJund Dev said that ultimate weapon is a 3 second aura reading. It is basically nowhere to hide 2.0 for opening lockers with a cooldown. I think blindness is removed.

[@jonnyisdaboss]

Adrenaline not working after being hooked only hurts solo q because in a swf you can still communicate when to finish the gen

[@noahleach7690]

But you won’t be able to start exit gates, the killer can still begin a chase with someone or chase the person off hook, the issue was that the gates could be opened and someone could sprint at them with full health

[@robzilla8084]

Victor is now the most terrifying killer in dbd..

[@DeandreKey]

He’s no different than a bubba or a huntress, just pay attention to your surroundings and use the environment well you’ll be fine

[@cathemeraltheenby6840]

​@@DeandreKeyhe's a mini demo that moves at constant Sprint burst speed and cannot be outlooped. That's a kinda big difference compared to bubba and huntress.

[@DeandreKey]

@@cathemeraltheenby6840 idk I fair just fine against him right now🤷🏾‍♂️ they’re more than likely gonna nerf his speed to compensate in the ptb but even if they don’t he’s not gonna be any more challenging to dodge than he is right now… which is fairly simple lol I wouldn’t say the twins is currently OP

[@cathemeraltheenby6840]

@@DeandreKey I'll never claim to be a Twins main but I play then quite a bit. It is really easy to get survivors in positions where it is impossible to miss. If I ever feel like I just want to win, then Twins is one of the killers I pick.

[@elitechaz8440]

@@DeandreKey You’re not dodging Victor, he’s missing. Dodging would imply you have the reaction time to dodge when he’s flying at you. But most Victor’s back rev you. So if they miss, it’s not because you dodged it. You can guess when they’re about to pounce, but it would still be a miss because you are simply guessed they are about to press the pounce button. It’s solely on the killer to miss, you don’t have any agency in dodging it and only have certain tiles that could delay or obstruct Victor

[@bubbajoe117]

@14:31 Well at least Distortion rats are gonna be eating good this patch, love the fact UW is reduced to yet another aura reading perk because I guess we just arbitrarily decided aura reading and haste is where perk innovation begins and ends, in this case it doesn't even do anything unique aside from the blindness which may or may not still even be a feature of the perk, might as well just run darkness revealed, nowhere to hide or nurses calling at that rate.

[@mogullll]

the whole rant about tunnelling is very true, if you run 4 anti tunnel perks as survivor and the killer just never tunnels you, you're missing out on information with kindred or bond, heal speed with botany or we'll make it, endgame rescues with buckle up for the people and so much more Running 4 anti tunnel builds is basically saying "'I'm happy to play this game perkless, as long as you don't play like an asshole"

[@cathemeraltheenby6840]

Until you get those who once unhooked will then make a b-line straight for the killer to bait a tunnel. Remember 2021 when half of the lobby would swarm you to force their DS? We're going back to the bad old days. I wonder if BHVR will bring back insta-blinds, DH and BL.

[@breoson9724]

thanks for the vid I just finished everywhere

[@AirLight1646]

DECISIVE STRIKE MY BELOVED. WE’RE SO BACK.

[@xxSandt21xx]

Oh boy. Lynxi is gonna be pissed

[@GoldenHonor_]

(I don't know Lynxies pronouns so I'll say "They/Them" just in case) Aren't they the Twins main ? o:

[@xxSandt21xx]

@@GoldenHonor_ Lynxi is THE Twins main

[@guseyngasanov8251]

@@GoldenHonor_ bro

[@looneyloonatic]

@@GoldenHonor_bruh it’s not that deep lmao

[@Doncroft1]

I pissed too. This is bad for Twins players and survivors alike.

[@GoldenHonor_]

So Ultimate Weapon is basically Darkness Revealed but with blindness ???? xD

[@Lewis99]

Yeah and it's kinda dumb to change a perk to a better version of a perk already in the game, making that perk pretty much useless

[@GoldenHonor_]

Yeah... I think it's not the first time that they changed a perk for it to just be a better version of the already existing one ?@@Lewis99

[@savinigec]

RIP the hug tech, i'm genuinely so frustrated but mostly just sad

[@amritatamritat6815]

lmao stop abusing bugs

[@savinigec]

@@amritatamritat6815 so true let's remove the crouch tech gang

[@thedoggolord7675]

​@@amritatamritat6815 so that involves window tech, key tech, crouch tech and so much more. Killers aren't the only ones that use bugs to their advantage

[@nvyx-t4k]

@@savinigec i beg yes please remove crouch tech

[@Antarctide]

​​@@amritatamritat6815Not all unintended features are necessarily nefarious.

[@matthewmarrello323]

Thank god they’re fixing ds, need some good anti tunnel perks

[@noscrubsm]

DS was always good

[@ItchieTasty]

@@noscrubsmgood at being next to worthless without making a whole build around anti-tunneling, when you could just use OTR instead of that

[@siredquinn]

Imagine getting tunnelled 💀💀 skill issue

[@matthewmarrello323]

@@siredquinn so what? Not everyone has aspirations to be the best. This may come as a surprise to you, but some people just want to play casually

[@noscrubsm]

@@ItchieTasty DS still waste a lot of the killer's time if you know where to go down (near shack, TLs, etc) and if you pair it with an exhaustion perk its even stronger (you dont need a whole antitunnel build to get value from DS, Lithe ot BL already helps you, the 5 secs stuns will just make players be safe when they're even in a deadzone).

[@HKk-ls8ek]

Scotts take on ds is so hilarious. He actually thinks tunneling isnt part of efficient macro.

[@ryuwalker2295]

My only concern with ultimate weapon changes is, ik ultimate weapon was busted, distortion... as an oni main who runs 3-4 aura perks in every build, i felt like i was forced to use this perk instead, typically 1-2 survivors have distortion in my matches and while I know I can still focus the ones without distortion, tunneling is not really my cup of tea and I feel like this change is just gonna make distortion more valuable and it's gonna incentivize killers to give up on aura reading more and maybe turn their focus on slowdown perks

[@freezerounds]

Why not run Infectious Fright? Literally a staple on Oni

[@ryuwalker2295]

@@freezerounds I do most of the time, but for example, when I'm going for other downs after hooking someone, bbq does not work, I can only see people without distortion and it really isn't fun to chase only 2 survivors all match, I also run floods of rage very frequently but getting no value out of that too, this just keeps forcing me to tunnel people out which is not fun for both sides. I either have to lean towards tunneling or just hovering near the hook and then go back to the hook to get the survivor with distortion, catch them. So yeah, infectious is a nice snowball perk but it doesn't do what ultimate weapon could cover until these changes.

[@wsmith7918]

Ngl the twins changes sound like the first exciting change to this game since the last time i enjoyed the game (wesker chapter) might actually have to come back for this

[@orange756]

Let’s make one thing clear: If you are eating DS you are playing sub-optimally.

[@orange756]

Only exception is when you’re not tunneling but happen to run into the person 50s later, but even then you know that this person has not progressed the game at all in the past minute.

[@mckookie2967]

that's objectively false at top mmr sorry, playing your way is an 8 hooks L

[@AaronScotz]

If the player can't loop for shit, eating their ds is more than optimal. They'll last 2 seconds in chase.

[@orange756]

@@mckookie2967 Guess scott is just also a low MMR killer player who only gets 8 hooks, too, then. :(

[@orange756]

@@AaronScotz True, actually. I respect that.

[@danialalhamd7630]

5:30 hug tech has always been a really good way to learn blight and it made him easier to learn for newer players , removing hug tech would make him even harder ( im an experienced blight player )

[@SolanersRevengee]

yeah but it also makes him less oppressing. he’s definitely hard to learn but once he’s mastered to an extent his overall game oppression balances out this nerf.

[@nicane-9966]

Blight needs hard nerfing is a good start. He is been the golden boy for many years.

[@danialalhamd7630]

why suddenly everyone started ranting ab blight and forgot that nurse been the strongest killer for over 7 years ?

[@danialalhamd7630]

@@SolanersRevengee bump logic is LITERALLY 10 times stronger than hug teching btw

[@cornpop838]

Noi I can’t exploit collision anymore to make up for my skill issue!!!!

[@GarrB3ar314]

DS needs to disable killer powers for 5 or 10 seconds after the stun so it affects killers with and without mobility more equally. Buffing it in this way alone is just furthering the gap between the strongest and weakest killers which is one of the biggest fundamental problems with the game. You can't balance anything when you have nurse blight spirit billy etc. in the same game as freddy trapper ghostface etc.

[@mckookie2967]

sure but as soon as someone else is downed it's turned off

[@MurkyTheWolf]

I think by improved bump collision they meant for trees and objects that you would slide off of even with a direct hit. I don't think it will apply to hug tech.

[@Child.robot15]

my question is if they are getting rid of that nasty slowdown twins gets at a hook can they pls get rid of it for singularity?

[@freezerounds]

BEGGING. I love anti-camp features that ironically force you to camp.

[@serioustable8659]

I will be playing Twins if this change goes through (which I almost never did before, due to all the reasons that are now changed), but I admit it will probably be super op and annoying as hell

[@boofenshmirtz6426]

"YOu cAn gEt Ds frEE in tHe ShrInE!" I agree fully. DS shouldn't be a perk you have to buy. They should do what they did with Demo, Nancy and Steve; make the perk base kit and give Laurie a new perk

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

It's the oldest chapter in the game. Those 5 players that don't have it, I'm sure they won't care.

[@wrongemail5242]

@@WutTheDeuceGamingtbf new players exist

[@mckookie2967]

When is Distortion getting reworked to only recharge via chase?

[@jackcrel7111]

Honestly ultimate weapon changes kinda feels like a straight nerf just on the grounds they switched it from scream (bypasses distortion) to aura reveal (affected by distortion) that just tells me devs partially didn't understand why ultimate weapon became popular. (Aka it bypasses distortion)

[@ItchieTasty]

That’s because it is a nerf, and for good reason, it was very very strong when used in the right hands, it also created a mindset for many survivors, where they felt they HAD to use both Calm Spirit and Distortion, so the killer doesn’t get to start chases for free, I’m all for this nerf because UW was obnoxious af

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

It is a nerf and needed it badly. You really don't know how strong screaming is do you? This perk is absolutely stupid when used with Dead Man's Switch, and right now, you can spam the hell out of it. Not only that, you can run some killers with add-ons that decrease their TR, making UW even more accurate. The perk is fucking dumb, it does way too much and has a lot of problematic synergy. As an avid killer player, I can now buy Alien. I was protesting it based on that stupid perk alone.

[@Cynixx]

yeah the scream wasn't really an issue, could have just made it not interrupt and not a 30s duration, would have been much better imo

[@jackcrel7111]

@@WutTheDeuceGaming honestly from the patch notes they are just gonna anger a lot of killers. Certain survivors will get tunneled (partially cause they don't have distortion, so they'll probably just run buffed ds so all I got to say is get ready for renewed calls to get distortion nerfed.

[@jackcrel7111]

@@ItchieTasty Killers can say the same having to bring multiple aura read perks to defeat distortion (unless you're certain killers that can deny the perk it's tokens being replenished.)

[@Ih8you]

you know what, i’m clapping for this update it’s genuinely good

[@TheJuanca120]

Why is no one talking about the "Added a weekly gift that can be claimed for free"? If that reward is a bunch of iri shards, it can be a pretty nice F2P addition to the game imo.

[@Osmaboi]

weekly charm you mean?

[@fart63]

@@Osmaboidefinitely is just going to be an awful recolored charm or something like that

[@Lewis99]

​@@fart63apparently it's going to be a currency, assuming BP/Iri shards

[@MI_TurkeySlayer]

I am sooooo happy about the ultimate weapon change. I use distortion, and I'm not one of the useless distortion players you talk about. I am most often one of the only useful teammates on any of my teams and only one ever touching gens so it's more beneficial for me to not get found. But IF I see my other teammates have each been hooked and I have not, and IF there is at least someone else pressuring a gen, I will go find the killer and take agro for the good of the team. But so often, especially when I'm getting hardcore tunneled, my only way to not get tunneled out is to use my med kit and bite the bullet in a bush or something and ultimate weapon f's me every friggin time. I am so so happy with this change. It was far too strong, especially for tunneling killers.

[@mckookie2967]

distortion should be nerfed to only recharge in chase

[@AaronScotz]

@@mckookie2967 Or even better. Make it recharge when you repair gens (Like with flashbangs)

[@AaronScotz]

Make the immersed survivors have to WORK for their perk.

[@mckookie2967]

@@AaronScotz yeah that works too! as long as they're performing conspicuous action even LOL

[@TravisTLCdrumming]

If you honestly believe that simply “ignoring” or “just don’t tunnel” is going to do anything against people who’s whole build is based on MAYBE getting tunneled…. And you honestly think they won’t use those perks offensively (which is the problem) then I’ve got a nice bridge in Baltimore to sell you.

[@TravisTLCdrumming]

And one of the main points that never gets addressed is something I know I’m not the only one who’s experienced it. The fact is it doesn’t matter how you play as killer, I RARELY every tunneled and never from the start and I’d still get people using those anti tunnel perks offensively to harass and troll, still get toxic people, still waiting at the exit gate the entire time, still messaging you to get cancer and kill yourself. It DOESNT MATTER how you play. They’ll still treat you like the brainless plaything they want you to be and BHVR wants you to be.

[@serpent9423]

Based. Scott doesn't care about this, he thinks that it's only killer's problem and survivors can't use it offensively

[@thedoggolord7675]

Agreed, and besides, if you have a person with 2 hooks and one at one hook and there's one gen left, why should you be punished for trying to get a kill? Sure tunneling at 5 gens or 4 gens is kinda shitty. But if you're low hooks and gens are almost done, you have every right to tunnel to secure the kill and thus blood points and pips.

[@NewSirenSong]

​@@thedoggolord7675and the survivors have the right to use their perks to deny you what you think you deserve should they choose to bring them

[@negan2714]

​@@NewSirenSong And those Survs have no right to complain when they get tunneled for bringing annoying builds that's solely for being a problem.

[@f1p1420]

I think the Blight change refers to the fact that on Ormond he would slide off most rocks instead of hitting them even when running into them face first

[@killer4516]

Honestly, I think Behavior just picked the lesser of 2 evils with Twins, especially in the eyes of the regular playerbase. I'm not a Twins main, but I've probably played them more than like 95% of people, so I consider myself pretty experienced on them. Going into what I mean, it really came down to super strong slugging or super strong chase, short of just hard nerfing/reworking Victor (which would kill Twins). While they will be stupid strong in chase, I think the average surv (who goes down fast anyways) will prefer that over being slugged. Also, your average Twins player is probably going to be pretty mediocre, so Victor missing is probably likely. I think these changes will make it more fun overall for both sides, and quick downs is just a necessary evil. There really is no reasonable way to fix it without making Twins either gatbage or just completely different.

[@brad1426]

I’m just picturing this mythical killer scenario where DS just keeps being forced on this poor innocent killer that definitely isn’t putting himself in this scenario over and over again lol.

[@jackcrel7111]

It's called base bt body blockers (of course that only occasionally happens. Though with ds buff bt body blockers will become more common. Get the feeling killers will start seeing more ds/unbreakable combos

[@0_Nobody]

Eat the DS and tunnel the fk out of them. Or, stack pain res eruption pop sloppy. Win guaranteed with annoyed survs!

[@scottsurvival6960]

Decisive Strike's effect could be made base kit for 2 or 3 seconds and the perk could add 2 or 3 seconds to the stun.

[@irontarkus6515]

I think to fix the twins issue with Victor chases. Make it where the person who was hit by Victor can't kick, but other survivors can. This incentives team play with survivors so Victor doesn't get easy downs, but would make it riskier for survivors because their together and the twins could snowball from that.

[@mitchsz]

They either forgot about mentioning blindness on Ultimate Weapon or gonna remove it

[@souvikpal1361]

I love how Scott just straight up said fuck you to all M1 killers who were already hard to win with against good survivors. Get good strat doesnt work if the killer has a skill ceiling.

[@fart63]

Maybe against SWFs. Even the weakest killers are stomping solo teams right now (which is the majority of survivors). Solo queue is miserable and almost every game is a loss. This is the easiest time to play killer this game has EVER had.

[@UltraSyre]

it doesn't really make sense to say that an overall killer nerf, such as this effective nerf to tunneling, particularly hurts low-tier killers unless it does so disproportionately. is tunneling disproportionately effective on low-tier killers? i don't have much experience with tunneling, but i'd imagine that the stronger killers, who tend to have map-traversal options, would be more able to choose their targets, and therefore be better at tunneling. maybe they're even better at everything else, though? anyway, if you genuinely can't win as freddy or whatever anymore, that'll lower the win rates that behavior sees, increasing the odds that freddy ends up next in line for a weird action speed / haste buff, so it all evens out in the end.

[@souvikpal1361]

@@UltraSyre While higher tier killers are good at tunneling, they also have the wiggle space of going for newer survivors because of their strong chase power/ map control. For lower tier killers even against a good team with maybe 2 people on a swf, tunneling sometimes is downright the only way, simply because of their lower skill ceiling. Theres also the problem of survivors bodyblocking the killer with DS Unbreakable even if killer DOESNT WANT to tunnel that person. Its no like OTR that you can just remove by hitting twice, you actually have to slug them for a whole minute, which again, is unhealthy gameplay. (Mind you , OTR and DS can be stacked).

[@souvikpal1361]

@@fart63 Do you think this perk will help those survivors? For your average Pub Solo survivors even if you give them a nuke they'll probably die to it. For good players(even in solos, evn worse case in swfs) however, there were already good options available. Its like gifting a nuke to USA, if you may.

[@kattcantcat]

I imagine the Blight collision is more of, "You won't slide off a rock or hill when you run straight into it," but I'm sure that could easily still affect at least some hugtechs

[@clayfred]

I think the reason they made twins the way they did was to actually get people to play them, so they’d get more feedback. If they barely changed much nobody would want to play them still so they’d never get the feedback or at least not enough to determine if any change that was made was beneficial enough

[@killo500]

The factor that determines a Major/Medium/Minor change probably aren't gameplay impact, more so development time as the difficult of a UI overhaul is probably more time consuming and more indicative of a major change than changing DS time from 3-5 ya know

[@Rareware0192]

Honestly the thing I’m most excited about is DS being brought back to 5 seconds, with all the little caveats that made it annoying back in the day removed (no longer protected while doing a Gen, it deactivates in endgame). I agree this is definitely the best version of the perk.

[@CandyFlossEnjoyer]

Hell no, you forget people use ds aggressively too which makes that 5s absolutely awful if ur chasing someone else and some goofy mf runs in ur face without you knowing they have ds

[@noahleach7690]

If someone body blocks and you think they have do you can slug them or tunnel them after the ds, it’s once per game, you can choose to slug them or tunnel them out, it’s not complicated

[@apina69ok58]

@@CandyFlossEnjoyer if you keep track of who you've hooked recently this shouldn't be much of a problem just slug them for a while, the change is really good because there is a shit ton of killers who just tunnel nowadays, like that's their whole gameplan just tunnel someone out of the game right away, and this change helps with that especially when it's killers like blight or nurse that catch up to you really fast

[@CandyFlossEnjoyer]

@@apina69ok58 but I don't WANT to slug someone all the time I wanna actually progress the match instead of getting cried at by my slug victim 🤷‍♂️

[@flamedramon68]

@@CandyFlossEnjoyer Wah. Then either pick them up and get DS'd or slug them. Or just don't tunnel 😎

[@MegaMarxis]

You can still 99 a gen until the person gets unhooked and then pop it so they still get adrenaline. It’s not really a nerf nerf, there’s a work around. The only nerf about it is the speed boost duration. And even that isn’t much of a nerf

[@ScottPorterback]

Scott! You didn’t mention that there are new mori’s coming to the store! Biggest upgrade

[@ScottJund]

eh ill report on them when i actually see them lol

[@lucasvallet4487]

They just said youll be able to see moris in the store now but yeah that would imply alternate moris are coming somedays

[@BecketTheHymnist]

Petition for DS to only stun 3 seconds but give a big speed boost to the survivor who used it. Easy way to give the survivor the distance they need, but also not make the killer sit there for 5 seconds.

[@0_Nobody]

Its that fear which makes DS powerful. And hardcore tunnelers might DC right away. Very much needed.

[@thefailbender]

As a Twins main, these changes take away so much player choice. For me as the Twins, I can’t decide that I want to plop Victor on a hill for surveillance after I down someone, or decide to pounce on that idiot barely hiding with a flashlight near the downed survivor. As survivor, they can no longer choose to take Victor “hostage” and deny the killer their power (even if it was technically only for a short time).

[@Doncroft1]

It removes choice and flexibility from Twins AND the survivors. Good QoL changes but very bad rework.

[@slavajuri]

Yes, well said!

[@TheGman_24]

The twins update is overall good been playing them since release only issue is one you can still slug the right thing to do would be hit everyone first free down then use the 10% to get another and from there you got the ball rolling the 10% needs to he on a timer like 20 sec maybe 30 sec the fact that I can move 10% till i get a hit is kind of wild i can slap on enduring and turn off my brain and just walk through pallets till i get a hit overall though I think this twins update is goos

[@awalkingmemory1473]

It's going to be on a timer, because the haste buff is only when he latches on to someone and that only lasts 20 seconds. I believe it's only unlimited if he traps them in a locker but I think they can get him off? Not sure how that part works lol Edit: unless they mean the 20 seconds is only after someone crushes victor

[@TheGman_24]

@@awalkingmemory1473 you are right when vic is removed on latch survivor haste is gone (unless you hot someone) and the cooldown when vic is crushed is 20 seconds

[@boomfaoce]

Without hug techs Blights will actually be stronger. Sliding makes it a 50/50 chance and survivors have a chance to leave a loop which he is sliding. With bump logic survivors' only option is to gain distance by pre running

[@VelhaTheOne]

@larsliamvilhelmI personally disagree. Every since I stop hug teching, I have won more games and downed players 10x more consistent. A knowledgeable bump logic blight will practically always beat a hug teching blight. Minus some indoor maps

[@TheGamingManiac]

I feel like tunneling or camping is necessary for a killers to come back sometimes. I'm not talking about the Nurse's and Blights of the game, but more so rather everyone else. Sometimes you will run into organized teams bringing decked out builds with meta perks and even quick chases/downs won't stop gen progress. at that point doing anything to come back is viable and shouldn't be seen as "unskiillful" simply because you NEED to apply pressure. Camping and tunneling strategically (not repeatedly) shouldn't be taboo and looked at as a "low-skill" killer thing to do.

[@XKIRA376]

Ds is so abused and people are too ignorant to see it. Most people that have ds use it to play aggressive, this fixes nothing, only make playing killer more frustrating

[@Tordehole]

My issue with the DS change is when you dont tunnel and still get punished for it. Granted doesnt happen often but when it does man it blows when it does. Be nice if there was some way of like.. Disabling DS and other similar things if someone else is downed? Idk tho im no expert.

[@Razorshadow73]

My one concern about DS being again is people abusing it to bodyblock -- not only does it punish killers more reliably if they attempt to punish the bodyblocker (which realistically they should), but it encourages more people to use DS this way as a result. The perk is defensive in spirit, but making the stun so long empowers it as an aggressive option, which I don't think is healthy.

[@0_Nobody]

Completely healthy. Get better

[@Razorshadow73]

@@0_Nobody Thank you for contributing nothing to the discussion with your shit take lol

[@Spudmay]

As a guy who doesnt play twins or blight, this is a good update. I DO play Freddy, so the adrenaline thing is nice. He has gotten like a small/medium buff per patch, and no one has noticed. DS change is awesome. Will be running it

[@femtrapta5874]

Honestly just being able to hit a survivor as Viktor without worrying that some random survivor will come up and punish me for hitting an attack is all I needed

[@Cynixx]

honestly sounds like the most horrendous experience for survivors I can imagine, throw in pain res + pop and you will probably down survivors fast enough to prevent the game from even happening, only real counterplay I can feasibly see working vs a good twins is running Any Means and smacking the shit outta him with pallets.

[@contevoncheeseburger8854]

@@Cynixx new twins with corrupt deadlock wil lgo crazy you wont even get to finish a gen cause youre too busy healing

[@Trident_Gaming03]

Idk why they overcomplicated the power When you unbind Victor, only allow him to be used for a certain amount of time (30 seconds, for example) Then have it that on a longer cooldown (1 minute, for example) Charlette and Victor can switch positions That way, you don't have to worry about Victor being overbearing, and it gets rid of the slugging problem without introducing haste

[@IcyPhil]

How did that Twins change take literal YEARS to make? I expected more to be honest.

[@skeletonwitch.]

i think just trying to come up with SOMETHING took up the vast majority of their time

[@TheDecagn]

I think the easiest way to make decisive strike to not feel "pay to win" is to make it a perk that "increases stun durations on the killer" and either have the old decisive strike effect be basekit, or as one of the perks that is unlockable on any survivor by default

[@danzargy]

Depipping being removed is a good thing, but i can see it backfiring horribly. I imagine It'll make hook suicides happen even more with the threat of losing pips gone. Good for normal solo q, bad for the people who see a killer they don't like and turn the game into a 3v1 at 5 gens.

[@Neroh01]

i think people who kill themselves on hook dont give a shit about depips, just my 2 cents

[@BenAnderson48]

Yeah but Skull Merchant is really the only victim of this and a 90% kill rate will make the devs do something to make it somewhat fun to play against.

[@n1pplel3sscage22]

People were gonna dc and kill themselves regardless of pipping

[@danzargy]

@@BenAnderson48 you'd be surprised. I guess a better example would be survivors who kill themselves on hook because their first chase didn't go perfectly. I've seen people complain about Freddy and Hillbilly in EGC after killing themselves near the beginning of the match, some people just can't be helped ig.

[@NameIsDoc]

@@BenAnderson48its only 90% because of people like you

[@DaBrownie]

The aura read for UW is 3 seconds according to a dev on the dbd forum.

[@artemyburakh12]

As one of the few twins players, i do feel positive about the changes. Twins will basically enter top 5 killers in the game due to this ability to *demolish* survivors. But anyone facing them will feel misery unless the killer purposefully decides to play hit & run. Fun to play as, unfun to play against. Not good

[@BeenBOT]

What do you think could be the best way to counter Victor after the changes? Running in pairs maybe?

[@mckookie2967]

Twins are nowhere near spirit blight xeno Chucky unknown wesker artist or even 7 hatchet huntress, what😂

[@chrisnedelchew]

I have been wishing for this change on DS for so long now. I am glad to see that the devs realized this too.

[@alexwallex1721]

Let’s go now I can finely rank up even if I’m being tunneled 200 times in a row🔥🔥

[@glaive616]

Interesting that Victor will trigger the anti camp bar, potential hug tech removal ? As long as they remove it from every other killer as well.

[@sen6516]

If BHVR really wanted to nerf tunneling they should have either an in game clock or a visible buff that lasts 60s after getting unhooked even if there is no DS so killers really know that person was recently unhooked

[@oscar3153]

How do you as a killer not already know who was recently unhooked unless they’re all playing the same character and also injured and also too far away from hook while also not finding anybody during all that time?

[@sen6516]

@@oscar3153 cause DS timer is 60s and nobody wants to count 60s in their head after every unhook. Survivors can also just use the same char and cosmetics which makes it confusing if you encounter them both at the same time.

[@oscar3153]

@@sen6516 You do realize if they do any conspicuous action DS is gone. Are you saying that the survivors who have just been unhooked aren’t doing ANYTHING useful for 60 seconds while you’re chasing another survivor? Tf?

[@sen6516]

@@oscar3153 healing yourself is conspicuous but not if somebody else heals you. Using flashlights is also not conspicuous. If you have teammates with more hooks than you, you can get yourself healed by somebody else, and be in the killer's face by bodyblocking and threatening to blind them with flashlights for the next 60s with impunity knowing the killer would rather chase somebody else. Seriously speaking I'm glad that DS is getting buffed back to 5s, I don't really tunnel people but if there was an in game timer showing how long that 60s even if they don't have DS, that would signal killers in general to avoid that survivor during that time period

[@oscar3153]

@@sen6516 No shit are you saying if you’re getting tunneled you shouldn’t be allowed to heal? You can’t body block and blind the killer wtf are you on😂 you’re saying 3 people not in gens is a problem for the killer.

[@PIZZAloverNUMBERS]

I completely agree with your DS assessment

[@julianarancio1384]

dammit ultimate weapon sees auras? I was having fun with my calm spirit meta! oh well, back to ds.

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

I'm getting tired of running it. I will say, opening chests and doing bones with it, pretty underrated imo. I know it's not huge, but being 100% silent doing that does help a lot of the time I noticed.

[@JoeChianelli]

BHVR should study comments like these for proof for why "meta shakeups" never work. Survivors always go for the most brainless low skill perks they can anyways 😂

[@coffeeenjoyer2877]

Scott u literally said the same thing about ds as me before reading it. That change alone i belived since 6.1 would save solo que! Ds buff was a major change

[@Chunicorn1337]

4 DS's every game less go

[@taxevasion6765]

unsure miss: whenever a survivor is rescued from a hook, for the next 60 seconds unsure miss activates, whenever a survivor scapes from your shoulders while you carry them, they get instandly downed again.

[@Cynorkis]

This might sound crazy but there’s a way to avoid DS

[@dakota9821]

Good; Stop tunneling. Only low skill players need to do so anyway.

[@ItchieTasty]

@@dakota9821not to defend tunneling in general, but there are certain circumstances where it is entirely necessary to make or break a win

[@Chunicorn1337]

@@ItchieTasty Exactly. Gotta keep pressure up sometimes