Every Single Warhammer Space Marine Legion in a Nutshell | DeeBeeGeek Reacts

[@mikedicewrites]

"18...18 separate legions." Brothers, he's catching on😆

[@BabyEater61]

It's heartwarming

[@Tiamat013]

Is he ready for the whole 'primaris' thing?

[@inqc5797]

9 separate legions

[@tikhonoldwood3800]

​@@Tiamat013I hope not. F Primaris

[@brokeandtired]

How deep is the lore? "400+ Warhammer 40k Books and growing"

[@benhelms7983]

"Caring for them will weaken you." "This is where we differ. You have strength enough for yourself only, whereas I've strength to spare." - prob a salamander

[@Oyarly649]

writing this down for my collection of quotes to use in dnd

[@carljohan9265]

Salamanders subscribe to something I've thought for a long time, people are capable of exerting far more strength for someone else's sake than they are for their own sake.

[@IceLordCryo]

and this is why I love the Salamanders

[@eliasgarcia5995]

@@benhelms7983 “If a single civilian is a burden to you, how do you spect to carry the weight of the imperium on your shoulders” A Salamander

[@nicholasbenavides4215]

“How FaR does this go?!” 10,000 years of lore. Something’s happened in that time.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Way more than 10,000 ;)

[@helmaksi]

@@HistoritorJimaldus Sure, technically it goes back like 60 million years, because it has been MENTIONED. But truly written lore is as far as i know only consisting of horus heresy era, and after.

[@Asterion_Mol0c]

​@@helmaksialso the reunification

[@PsychoticFruitfly]

something happened to Cadia, it's not there anymore...

[@EddieSezPhukYou]

....and on the 22nd founding......

[@BeatmasterAC]

The Alpha Legion is so secretive and confusing that even Tzeentch is totally confused. Everyone is basically Alpharius, posing as Omegon, who is posing as Alpharius, who thinks he is Omegon but is a sleeper Agent faking Alpharius, who is actually Omegon, who is posing as Alpharius, but that's also a lie in the end.

[@ozisponas1593]

And the funniest part is no one even knows if they are loyalist or heretic not even Tzeentch

[@ignusthemad3150]

@@ozisponas1593 in the recent book is confirmed that they also don't know because all members that know already are dead...... and you need know about the order of ruin of the thousand sons

[@jesseseva2219]

And it's all a lie

[@JPaekk]

@@BeatmasterAC I am Alpharius.

[@alexpena4091]

bet Tzeentch will be releafed once the alpha legion is gone than

[@legendofliamd]

12:50 Horus Heresy cinematic my guy

[@Lord_Draxard]

He definitely needs to react to that one

[@Akantor5]

did 2 all caps: horus heresy cinematic!!!1! comments on some early vids xD

[@ronuss]

the best cinematic period!

[@ignusthemad3150]

@@ronuss best is "lets the galaxy burn"

[@wiaf8937]

LET THE GALAXY BURN

[@Kryptick_88]

What Bricky explained and listed in the video were the First Founding legions. After the Horus Heresy happend, Guilliman wrote the Codex Astartes, in it explains how to reorganize their legions into smaller chapters because one primarch shouldn't have so much power seeing how much damage they can do as a legion. Thus the Second Founding occurred where chapters like the Black Templars and Crimson Fists were founded from the Imperial Fists when they themselves reorganized into a chapter.

[@crosscottonwood5984]

Bricky kind of undersold the nuance of The Night Lords. While they're terrible assholes, their terror tactics actually resulted in taking planets with significantly lower casualties than other legions. There's also an incredibly well written trilogy about The Night Lords that is generally considered some of the best storytelling in 40k and has made them a niche favorite of the community.

[@SensationXBlack]

The Night Lords Omnibus is fucking amazing. Legitimately so entertaining that the other heretical legions seem one dimensional in comparison.

[@lord_azatoth]

Ave Dominus Nox🦇 Although the lore of NL is much deeper that being just sadistic criminals. They were made for a purpose by Emperor, starting from Terra and this purpose was obidience through fear

[@nickvanachthoven7252]

there is also an important point people always miss. the night lords already did what all the other chaos legions are doing, before they ever fell to chaos.

[@KitsyX]

I mean their tactics potentially had way fewer casualties… But often after they had been gone for a while, that world would probably be more likely to rebel, right? So any benefit of their tactics was often lost due to the lack of effectiveness long term…

[@Myomer104]

@@KitsyX That even led to the reason why Kurze destroyed his homeworld. He returned to it at the end of/just after the Heresy and found that it had regressed to the same hellhole it had been before he had done anything to it.

[@Ravensgale]

29:43 No, because talking about the second and eleventh Legion are good ways to wind up being lobotomized into a servitor or getting double-tapped by a Commissar.

[@lordkilljoy9652]

Quick note; this video is a little out of date Lion El Johnson has rejoined the imperium after 10k years of napping and is killing mankind's foes on the tabletop. Like the Brickster said the Ultramarines as a faction are a little dull, but the characters are pretty good, Roboute Gulliman is one of the best characters in 40k and steals the spotlight of any book he is featured in. If you want to get some passion for the Ultramarines then you'd want to get a bit of a deep dive into Gulliman, preferably with some excerpts from the books

[@amelianyoom9545]

Reading dark imperium also works

[@AdamJones-tu9lx]

also angrons back, and angry

[@dorothelazyone9922]

Also, guilliman is one of the most humane primarc, with mommy issues but a good man. Tho Vulcan could take that from him on any moment

[@jesusofsuburbia3675]

The Bricky video is like 2 or 4 years old. Forgivable mistake

[@Fatalbeast22]

​@@dorothelazyone9922I mean unlike all the other primarchs, he atleast had a mom

[@profscythe6313]

18:24 Reason they haven’t made a series is because it is very dark to many audiences in essence and it is one of the hardest series to adapt well and the warhammer community would be rioting if the adaption was poor like with some of the star wars adaptions. Given the state of media in this day of age if someone adapted this and managed to somehow be perfectly faithful to the source material it would be a miracle. Bricky talks about this in his two warhammer dark tide videos.

[@Backwolfblade]

last i heard Henry Caville was still butting head with amazon about the wh series being faithful to the lore, so some hope there, unless there was news on it i missed or something

[@ronaldmcreagann6343]

@@Backwolfbladehe’s trying still, but Amazon is a bitch.

[@SándorVincze-v6y]

Also there were "limitations" due to Games Workshop's hold on the IP. Warhammer is a few decades old, but only in recent decade the media started to advance to the point where things started to became much more accessible. Also the advances in computer animations, creative and modern imagination (modernizing if needed), and methods of advertising (especially trough content creators and influencers) are playing a very large part of making 40K spreading and making it possible visually how brutal this universe is. Also the "Grimdark" setting while it is unsetteling it also brings the "exciting extremes" to the people who are used now to... well... let's just say "softer" and less gorier stuff. 40K's deep and wide lore invites a lot of exploration and excitement , with the combination of well defined and unique visual setting of the universe. But it is impossible to shorten all this down to simple media format to mirror all of this back to the viewers.

[@lord_azatoth]

It would not he a miracle, it would be immediately canceled😂

[@Metalovichinkov]

That's crap. The Horus Heresy is well documented but very expensive to adapt to a screen. Even in 3D like the Horus Heresy cinematic would cost a kidney. But man, even if you look only at the very well known stories, like how Krieg was nuked, Gaunt's Ghost, etc... You can do A LOT of adaptations without any space marines.

[@unluckysoul5494]

Warhammer fantasy came first before warhammer 40k. But 40k became more popular

[@samuel10125]

Prety sure there was 30k before that and I read something to do with Rogue Trader being the beginning or something.

[@MultiDarto]

​@@samuel10125rogue trader as faction? the rogue trader lore is in 40k timeline, but my assumption 30k there is rogue trader since basically they are conglomerates that supportrs by nation, like Russian Oligarchs

[@samuel10125]

@@MultiDarto Sorry this is a lot. In 1982, Rick Priestley joined Citadel Miniatures, a company started with support from Games Workshop that produced miniature figurines for use in Dungeons & Dragons. Bryan Ansell (the manager of Citadel) asked Priestley to develop a medieval-fantasy miniature wargame that would be given away for free to customers so as to encourage them to buy more miniatures. Dungeons & Dragons did not require players to use miniature figurines, and even when players used them, they rarely needed more than a handful.[32] The result was Warhammer Fantasy Battle, which was released in 1983 to great success. Warhammer Fantasy was principally a medieval fantasy game in the vein of Dungeons & Dragons, but Priestley and his fellow designers added a smattering of optional science fiction elements, namely in the form of advanced technological artefacts (e.g., laser weapons) left behind by a long-gone race of spacefarers. Warhammer 40,000 was an evolution of this taken to the opposite extreme (i.e., mostly science-fiction but with some fantasy elements). Since before working for Games Workshop, Priestley had been developing a spaceship combat tabletop wargame called "Rogue Trader", which mixed science fiction with classic fantasy elements. Priestley integrated many elements of the lore of "Rogue Trader" into Warhammer 40,000, chiefly those concerning space travel, but he discarded the ship combat rules for lack of space in the book. Games Workshop planned to sell conversion kits by which players could modify their Warhammer Fantasy models to wield futuristic weaponry such as laser weapons, but eventually Games Workshop decided to create a dedicated line of models for Warhammer 40,000. Initially, Priestley's new game was simply to be titled Rogue Trader, but shortly before release Games Workshop signed a contract with 2000 AD to develop a board game based on their comic book Rogue Trooper. So as not to confuse customers and to satisfy the demand for the Rogue Trader game which had been promised since 1983, Games Workshop renamed Priestley's game Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader and marketed it as a spin-off of Warhammer Fantasy Battle (which in many ways, it was). Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader received its first full preview in White Dwarf #93 (September 1987). Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader was released in October 1987. It was a success and became Games Workshop's most important product. In the January 1988 edition of Dragon (issue 129), Ken Rolston raved about this game, calling it "colossal, stupendous, and spectacular... This is the first science-fiction/fantasy to make my blood boil.

[@GoldenKaos]

@@samuel10125 30k was just the backstory to 40k, it operated like the Clone Wars did for Star Wars before the prequel trilogy came along and actually fleshed it out. As for dates, Warhammer Fantasy's first edition came out in 1983, Warhammer 40k's first edition (Rogue Trader) came out in 1987. The Horus Heresy is first mentioned almost off-handedly in an inset in the first Chapter Approved book in 1988 and is then built upon as background to the 40k setting in several subsequent books in that same year, including Adeptus Titanicus, which is the first game to be set during that period. Over the 90's, details got sprinkled in and fleshed out over numerous different books or White Dwarf articles, typically the ones concentrating on Space Marine and Chaos, but it was always just a "cool thing that happened in the background" outside of the small side-games that were set during it. You start seeing the signs of GW wanting to actually flesh out 30k as an actual setting and not as mere background in 2003 with the Horus Heresy TCG, which needed a shitton of HH art where there hadn't really been anything of its like before, and a lot of that art is then collected in the Visions of Heresy artbooks between 2004-2006, and these books are the blueprint for the modern Horus Heresy, which starts getting fleshed out with Horus Rising kickstarting the novel series in 2006, and eventually the Forge World series starting in 2012 with Betrayal.

[@holokom3330]

Hey - as Bricky said he glossed over most details - Ultramarines are actually quite interesting - mainly in the sense that they are mostly considered the most competent ones. Jeah pretty much every other Faction makes jokes about the "Tax Collectors and bureaucrats of Macragge" - However even Chaos Primarchs immediatly knew the Ultramarines where the biggest obstacle - beeing so good at logisitics the Ultramarine Legion outnumbered any other Legion atleast 3 to 1 - and as the Horus Heresy started - while most of the Galaxy sunk into chaos - Ultramar was pretty much the best place to be - despite getting attacked. Roboutes Organization talents where so good - he had build his entire empire during the couple years before the emperor found him - and as the emperor arrived - he didnt change a single thing - because even the emperor of mankind could not come up with any improvements. Roboute even rebuild the Imperium during the Heresy (Imperium Secundus) - and is now pretty much the Emperor - because Big E is busy beeing dead on the golden Throne.

[@ShadowGhost0117]

That was similar to the case with the Dark Angels. They had so much sheer destructive power due to their Dark Age weapons and various specialist groups, that the best Horus could do is send the Night Lords to slow them down (not eliminate, just delay). Scary thing is that the Dark Angels still nearly got back in time despite that.

[@ganjiblobflankis6581]

Watch Helsreach before looking into Black Templars lore videos as they will spoil the story.

[@NordisktLejon]

I second this, Helsreach the Movie is amazing, the book is even better and a great starting 40k novel. It got more Andrei in it!

[@antonycharnock2993]

"You have a kind face..." Most touching moment in a 40K video ever. Black Templars are my favourite. Great if you like a bit of Deus Vult. And their emblem matches my family coat of arms.

[@TheCommunistColin]

The Black Templar video in Bricky's description is a joke, it's just them screaming and killing a bunch of people insane-o mode for like 45 seconds. But yes, watch Helsreach!

[@Kodaiva]

everything you need to know about the templars is in the video in his description

[@jbtorres9413]

Pin this comment. i agree that deebeegeel should watch helsreach first before learning the black templars

[@JcFBK]

The 'sub-factions' of space marines get pretty extensive, so it might behoove you to find a video on that, as well. TLDR, after the Horus Heresy, the Loyalist legions got broken down into smaller chapters, with the first chapters retaining their legion name, while every successive chapter adopted a new name/color scheme/home world/etc. One example being the Black Templars he mentioned, they are a chapter that was originally part of the Imperial Fists, so they share the same Primarch 'father', Rogal Dorn. (Hopefully this helps you understand a little bit!)

[@medhurst4]

so the chapter stuff isn't as important basically after the heresy the primarche of the ultramarines made a book called the codex astartes it was then implemented (much to the dismay of some of his brothers nearly starting a second civil war) and this required all the legions to be split up into thousand man chapters with there own territory to defend in order to prevent another heresy.

[@Vipertheskylord]

Not just another heresy but also to have enough men to defend the imperium and expand the imperium

[@Believer1980]

This also lead to the Navy and the Army being separated, so if a regiment would full to Chaos , then without it's own fleet it is stranded there. I guess a easier way to put it is the reorganization of the Legions and the armed forces was to de-centralize they power. Ofc not everyone followed this, the Space Wolves basically just gives the Codex lip service, in that until the last few years they could not have any sister chapters due to so issue, although they also used the problem to make sure not to follow the rules. Also we had Rogal Dorn of the Imperial Fists set up the "Last Wall protocol" , will not say more on that in case you want to read the War of the Beast books, or just listen to them on Audible, which has been my got to for cheap audio books.

[@morgan.williams76]

Whilst some chapters pretended to listen to to rob gorillaman but not really... space wolves told him to openly suck it, the blood angels and their little brothers regularly meet up.

[@M4TTISM]

Some clarification on the Blood Angels The Red Thirst (them wanting to drink blood) affects them all, but for the most part they have this under control, sometimes through questionable means The Black Rage CAN happen to any of them at any time, but it isn't based off anything like time they've served, it's random. As their current chapter master has been alive for over 1500 years and he hasn't fell to it. He almost did, but not quite. And to date there's been only 1 Blood Angel who's resisted it, and he did it twice. Also when they fall to the Black Rage, they don't see themselves at their Primarch's death....they see themselves as their Primarch When they fall to the Black Rage they think they are Sanguinius in his final moments fighting against Horus

[@porgy29]

Depending on how you define "resisting it" technically two have. Chaplain Lemartes has some how managed to stay mostly sane under it's effects for years (although they still usually keep him in stasis between battles just to be safe).

[@morgan.williams76]

​@@porgy29isn't thr other poor fucker stuck in a dreadnought?

[@jts8053]

Games Workshop created 40K. "Warhammer" without the 40K is the fantasy franchise. Age of Sigmar, WH Fantasy Battle, etc.

[@sameerdodger]

Made in Nottingham, England.

[@antonycharnock2993]

Borrows a lot from 80s culture of the time. Heavily influenced by the British sci-fi comic 2000ad - there's a lot of crossover with writers & artists for the lore books.

[@nickvanachthoven7252]

we dont talk about Age of Sigmar. its not real.

[@kr0w119]

@@antonycharnock2993yeah 40k is a sci-fi stir-fry

[@reecedignan8365]

“I really like those Black Templars” “I really want to watch more cinematic like stories for 40k” Oh my good man, may I introduce you to Hellreach my Dornian brother.

[@keijibangcaya1293]

Sub faction/Chapters after horus heresy(HH).... The legions are there during the great crusade(30k). There's a bunch that happened after the HH but basically now at 40k or 41st millennium SM are divided into 1000 members each per chapter because of the Codex Astartes(You can thank Rowboat Gorillaman), there are exceptions like the black templars and others. But let's get into that in the vids recommended by bricky.

[@Sorain1]

Honestly, Bricky's video on the Black Templars would end up giving a nice shorthand on the whole chapter system by contrast.

[@berserk06]

18:40 Well, GW hasn't exactly had the greatest track record in handing out the license in the past. Plus I imagine, as far as movies/shows go, the director actually needs an expressed interest in knowing the lore as well as the fans do

[@TheTyrannicScholar]

Or more accurately the studio needs to have the budget to pull it off, which is probably what causes most of them to go 'Nah, not interested'. Sci-fi and fantasy ain't cheap and 40k isn't exactly...subtle...with its scale and spectacle.

[@mabus4910]

There is also the problem that 40K is fundamentally very brutal. It's not suitable for a good PG film with which you can earn a lot of money.

[@tm5123]

Whoever wrote up the original idea of "everyone is alpharius" had a good day of writng, its still one of the funnier parts of the 40k marine backstories.

[@andrewichigo]

OK, so to explain Legions and subfactions: After the Horus Heresy, Guilliman saw the power of the legions and concluded that their power was far too great to allow to exist, should another one fall to Chaos. So he came up with the Codex Astartes, a book of rules and guidelines that broke up all legions into Chapters of only 1000 Space Marines per chapter. One group of the original legion would retain the name of the legion, while the rest would take up new names, Chapter Masters, colors, etc. This was called the Second Founding. And since then there have been other foundings, where they've made new Space Marines (who then each form into different Chapters) according to need from the Imperium and the wars they're battling. Some are really interesting, such as the Crused Founding, where a lot of if not most of the Chapters created all ended up dying the most horrible deaths and were seemingly cursed for some unexplained reason (twist of fate or Chaos has been theorized). At the time of Space Marine 2, we've had the Ultima Founding. Archmagos of the Adeptus Mechanicus, Bellisarius Cawl, worked on the project in secret from the time of the Horus Heresy, and once Guilliman returned to the Imperium from his millenia long coma, he gave the order to activate them. These new Space Marines, who are all Primaris Marines, were assigned to bolster old depleted Chapters or founded new ones. To bear in mind, all of these Chapters have their members be descended from the same gene-seed/Progenitor Chapter/Primarch. Though in many cases, the knowledge of who their Progenitor is has been lost to time, or the annals have been expunged or damaged.

[@thewerdna]

The Nightlords are Bricky's favorite because of the Nightlords Trilogy of books. They are some of the most interesting and well written 40k books out there.

[@montgomeryheiser1131]

IMPERIAL FISTS ARE THE BEST RTS PLAYERS

[@ThirdEye-47]

ngl i love them in the unification mod for dow soulstorm, i use the sons of the phoenix chapter skin though because loyalist Emperor's children are the best :)

[@davidmarshall7390]

You have fortified this position. Rogal Dorn approves this message.

[@montgomeryheiser1131]

@@davidmarshall7390 The Emperor protects!

[@BabyEater61]

IMPERIAL FIST YOUR FORTIFICATIONS ARE WEAK! *INTENSE SHOVEL SMACKING*

[@dannyn6558]

​@@BabyEater61 By the Emperor, they're gonna give you an Imperial Fisting of your lifetime.

[@Bermaetel]

4:20 there were 18 legions each 100k-150kish strong. Then Horus heresy. Happened. Imperium (Guilleman) didn’t want it to be so easy for such large force turn traitors simultaneously ever again, so they split legions into X number of chapters only 1k strong they operate now as today. One got to keep their name and is now also called “first founding” others got new names and colors and in time cultures, and are known as “second founding”. Then more chapters were created into multiple other foundings (I think there were 36ish). So, f.e., Imperial Fists split into Imperial Fists, Black Templars, Executioners, Crimson Fists etc etc etc each technically separate entity but known as “progeny of Imperial Fists” because that’s where they draw their basic genetics from.

[@Sorain1]

And hay, Credit to Gullieman, the break up of the Legions, and the Guard from the Navy has worked to it's intended goal. The closest the Imperium has come to a second Horus humbug was Vandire, and that was a case of church and state being the same leader that was never intended. (Plus, his work on breaking up power wasn't done with the Church existing in mind, since it basically didn't exist as a monolithic entity at the time.)

[@Bermaetel]

@@Sorain1oh yeah 100% I’m just trying to out as little and as much as possible not to overwhelm and/or get too technical. Only thing I’ll ever be pretentiously technical is “Custodes are not space marines”

[@ronaldmcreagann6343]

2:08 he’s learning…

[@jeremax09]

Space marine armouring ritual cinematic goes hard, recommend reacting to it

[@Bermaetel]

12:06 Horus betrayal - without too many spoilers and even then only vague ones - due to >stuff being happened to him< he gets vision that emperor wants to become god and that’s his end goal, and both primarch and Astartes are only pawns. Some get elevated to “saints” some get betrayed and forgotten, all dead. That combines with slow festering fear within legions of what will happen to them once war of conquest is over. Who needs superhuman soldiers when there no longer are superhuman wars? Fear not unsubstantiated as their predecessors, the thunder warriors that emperor used to conquer Terra, got genocided on his orders by Custodes. Plus many primarch have felt personal slights and deep wounds from the emperor. Combine this - great source for revolt to start burning, especially with chaos gods pouring gasoline to the fire

[@blad3325]

Lion El' Johnson got a lot better in his latest book, and older.

[@ShadowGhost0117]

Not to mention the Risen. Just a whole collection of Chads

[@Staccet]

With some of the naming conventions of GW you just have to shake your head. Ferrus Manus, man with metal hands named Iron Hands leading space marine legion called Iron Hands. Same with Corvus Corax, man named Raven Raven leading space marine legion called Raven Guard.

[@porgy29]

To be fair many of those started with different names and were then renamed by their Primarks once they took over. But, the fact that a guy named Farrus Manus just happened to get in a fight that resulted in him having metal hands...

[@Staccet]

@@porgy29 Bruh I am saying GW as in Games Workshop in the real world deciding these names isn't being as clever as they think.

[@AnvilAirsoftTV]

They aren’t really supposed to be clever. More like puns and jokes The ultramarines being a good joke. They’re named after the colour.

[@porgy29]

Oh, in that case, while it has drifted away from it a bit, the setting was meant to be camp, in its own gritty way. There is no subtlety in the 41st millennium.

[@jonathanryan9946]

As to the the Chapters, at the end of the Horus Herecy the Ultramarine Primarch Roboute Guilliman feared qnother falling like his brothers and taking whole legions with them. So he broke up the Legions of upwards of 250,000 space marines, into chapters of 1,000 space marines each. This was called the 2nd Founding (there's been qbout 30 foundings now). What makes the chapters fun is after the 2nd founding, which are all the 9 loyalist Legions (and possibly the survivors of the 2nd and 11th Legions), they let the Adeptus Mechanichus make new Chapters from scratch using geneseed... but they might have uh, committed some Herecy. You see, some chapters seem to act like Traitor Legions but the Adeptus Mechanichus swears they're just Ultramarine or Imperial Fist successors (the most common origins of the Chapters... the Space Wolves and Salamanders being the least common because their geneseed tends to mutant more, plus they took more casualties during the Horus Herecy so have less successors from the 2nd Founding). Its also been implied the Mechanichus has blended two different geneseeds on occasion or just flatout messed with the dna of the geneseed (like they Salamanders have a successor chapter with pale white skin and another with yellow eyes instead of red eyes) The franchise even encourages fans to create their own chapters, so a lot of fans looking to create even more original ideas. The two lost Legions (2nd ans 11th) are often picked by fans as the create your own Legion, if a fan wants to incorporate a unique geneseed their Chapter stems from. Sometimes fans come uo with some fascinating ideas, other times either gags or a way to get female Space Marines (in the case of the Space Maids, both... they became a running gag for a bit so they have a decent amount of fanart too)

[@sameerdodger]

"How has there not been a TV series/movie/more games etc?" Because Games Workshop. They are incredibly (over) protective of their IP. It sucks, but it also stops people from butchering their lore. Because everything is so intertwined, it can be very easy to tread on toes. One mistake can lead to several. Games Workshop also demand quite a lot of royalties for the use of their IP. No major studio (like EA) could ever justify spending that money when they can just make their own franchise. Remember, GW makes very little from their lore/books. It's only there in reality to help sell their plastic models. So if someone ruins that, their business model is in jeopardy. Personally I don't really mind. If you like the lore etc, read the books and/or get into the table top. It's only really outsiders that complain the most about the lack of video games, movies etc. Ofc I want more video games and a series would be cool. But the lore is enough for 40K fans to be entertained and spend money on the plastic crack.

[@Sorain1]

If there is one licensing mistake GW ever made, it was not going with proto-Blizzard's work on a Warhammer RTS. That was their one chance to really break into cultural relevance back in the day. Yet, we wouldn't have 40k as we know it if they did. Their hyper defensive nature has been a good thing, but it has it's downsides. (Rather like the Codex as a whole in lore.)

[@Waristheonlyanswer]

not really, if you pay enough money to them like amazon they change their lore even if it damages their IP and gets fan hate, like their new female custodes.

[@TheDustyChinchilla]

@@Sorain1 don’t let Blizzard fans read this. They’ll swear up and down until they’re blue in the face that this is a myth and War/StarCraft weren’t supposed to be GW games lol

[@Cbyneorne]

@@Waristheonlyanswer Most people don't give a shit about the female Custodes, it was the way GW lied and said "they've always been there" that pissed everyone off. They could have said "oh yeah, Cawl figured it out" or something in-universe and it would have gone over way better. Considering Custodes are purpose built it does make more sense than female Astartes (or male Sisters of Battle). It's not like it matters though, Custodes have a job to do and their gender or what they think about themselves is utterly irrelevant to their duty.

[@Waristheonlyanswer]

@@Cbyneorne would still suck, since custodes are built by the emperor, having cawl change it would be the same as they did now

[@tikhonoldwood3800]

2:13 he knows the reference. Yeah!

[@Hanmacx]

My head canon is that they tried to use female Space marines and fill them with their GeneSEED 😅 So the Emperor removed them from existence

[@tikhonoldwood3800]

​@@HanmacxWtf bro

[@TheSpeedyGonzi]

@@Hanmacx most likely what happened

[@atinygoose6199]

To explain the 2 "missing" legions, they are deliberately redacted so that players can make their own legion, chaos or loyalist, and fill the gap.

[@lulute8]

You should react to The lore of Roboute guilliman the primarch of the ultramarines

[@TheCommunistColin]

24:25 The Night Lords are Bricky's favorite legion because there's a trilogy of novels about them, the Night Lords omnibus, which is absolutely fantastic. One of the best 40k book series about Chaos marines.

[@hawkwilliams6533]

2 and 11 legions do not exist

[@ロロノアゾロ-h4m]

The 2nd and 11th Legions are considered as the "missing" Primarchs. GW originally did this as the "spot" for Players to fill in with their own canons or fan-made Legions. But, according to lore, they might've been killed by the Emperor due to either being the first traitors or due to severe defects in their gene-seed. I forgot which book it was during the Pre-Heresy era, but Sanguinius admitted to Horus that he was looking for the cure to the Red Thirst because he didn't want to become like his missing brothers.

[@absentia6164]

Actually the idea that the two missing legions are for players to make their own legions, is just a fan theory, it's never been confirmed or even suggested by games Workshop.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

Fun fact about Lion. He is named after a poet, who wrote a poem called The Dark Angel, about a Christian man struggling with being gay. There is also a belief that their Fortress Monstery, The Rock, is named after a gay bar

[@IrnPgn]

It's not because of a gay bar it's named after the hill Nottingham Castle sits on in England.

[@P_Fighter893]

And his whole legion is struggling to keep a deep, dark secret from everyone else... hmm...

[@shadowfax-p3y]

@@chrisdiokno5600 not everything is gay lol get outta here with this BS!

[@chrisdiokno5600]

@@shadowfax-p3y I mean, its been a thing I've heard about their fortress monastery for ages, that it was named after a bar. At the least the poet and the Dark Angel poem is real

[@chrisdiokno5600]

@@IrnPgn Makes sense, I've just heard for years everyone say its named after a gay bar

[@KaitoGillscale]

44:40 Salamanders don't have TOO many great mediums to point to for references, however...you can see a lovely representation of them in Pariah Nexus, a Warhammer TV exclusive (that you can technically watch in parts on youtube). It's about an hour long, and focuses on the fight between the Necrons and the combined forces of Guardsman, Sisters of Battle, and a lone Salamander. Really nice hour-ish long movie...with a followup anthology series called The Tithes that features a continuation in ep1.

[@dredgenauryx3382]

9th, 10th edtion and Horus Heresy Trailers man. I've tried to tell you. The Killteam cinematic trailers as well.

[@christianmorson3945]

Glad you liked my boys, the White Scars :)

[@RurikVonElenorNeologik]

"How this stories are not a TV Series? or Trilogy movies?" ... exactly! , ther is so much material. Think of this... Movies are made from 3 books franchises... like Twilight... And The Horus Heresy story is about 64!! books!!!! SO MUCH CONTENT!

[@TheTyrannicScholar]

The budget needed to do the Horus Heresy justice would be astronomical. It would have to be animated as well because there's physically no way you'd get actors sticking around from start to finish unless you took massive liberties with the story or got very comfortable recasting everyone every couple of years.

[@dorothelazyone9922]

Here to recommend the video: Rylanor last stand, a warhammer 40k fan song about a dreadnought, the most epic and honorable to exist. PLS geek react to it, it's sooooo good. Can't recommend it enough

[@AlexanderForsman]

Word Bearers description misses a lot. The actual description of them would be something close to: "Physicist that try to understand the universe discover that gods are part of it" Their Primarch has this necessary evil storyline where he make sure there even is a future for humanity. He is one of the few that truly understands how twisted their universe is, and he realized that its pointless fighting against it. Go with the flow and you can nudge the flow in your desired direction. This is lost in memes though, and not Brickies fault.

[@-MarcelDavis-]

As others have pointed out, the Cinematic is the Horus heresy cinematic for Warhammer 30k. There are also two 40k cinematics that each came out to introduce a new edition of the table top game (9th and 10th edition trailer), which are also very high quality and do a great job of showcasing certain characters and factions. Highly recommend.

[@arthurd.8766]

You should watch PancreasNotWork, he does videos about factions, sub-factions and characters

[@darking9600]

On spotify you can hear the audio books about the horus heresy. In my language it takes about 450 hours to complete. For the Heresy itself and there are so many more books

[@JewelKnightJess]

If you want a fun look at the origins of 40k, look for the Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader book by Rick Priestley. It's so cool to see the early days of the setting and see how that evolved into the behemoth it is today.

[@ltHavok06]

The black templar video in description is really the best and most accurate video I've ever seen about the black templars.

[@michaelheidenreich8272]

The Horus heresy cinematic is made even worse if you read the books. Because Horus was such a good dude before his corruption.

[@mantism.d.8363]

The Legions are so fleshed out in lore because each one also is fleshed out in the tabletop game. Each of the legions has a full army of models with all sorts of units you can build and play with. With different strats and strengths/weaknesses...It's amazing, and part of the reason SMs are such a popular faction to play.

[@cnDelta04]

FOR THE EMPEROR!!!! Also the Black Templar video is "Purging with my Kin!" Stab stab stabbing noises.

[@rptrrwr]

After the hours heresy, the legions were broken up into smaller sub factions called "chapters" to prevent the space Marines from having that much destructive power again. Some kept the main legions name (blood angels for example) while other sub factions of that legion took a new name (flesh tearers for example.)

[@paralyzedtortoise8446]

I’d recommend a different video for the Ultramarines - they actually have a ton of lore Bricky just glossed over it here. Stuff like the Codex Astartes, Calgar’s character, their “Theoretical, Practical” way of thinking, their Greco-Roman aesthetic etc.

[@Tylendal242]

Watching DeeBee Geek watching Bricky (I'd never paid attention to loretubers before now) is letting me see in real time how people come up with all these ridiculous meme-lore takes.

[@dr.doombot6214]

Salamanders are by far my favorite

[@charlesbecker934]

WOLRD EATERS RAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!!

[@VulcansForge]

There were 18 legions at the time of the Horus Heresy. After the Heresy, the remaining Loyalist Legions were split into Chapters as defined by Robute Guilliman in the Codex Astartes in what was called The Second Founding. One Chapter maintained their parent Legion's original name, badge and colours, while the remaining Chapters took new names and heraldry.

[@bloodaggie859]

Bricky skipped 2 legions not because of the memes or because he wanted to, but because there's literally nothing in lore about them. Absolute zero. They did something that made The Emperor erase their Primarchs from history and even other Primarchs memory and spread their legions across all others (probably) and never talk about them again. (To the point that Malcador once force choked Horus for bringing them up) The thing is, they were probably meant to be "a customizable" faction, like after the Horus Heresy the legions were split up into different chapters and there's so many of them (hundreds, maybe thousands), that you can create, paint and make up lore about your own chapter and play it. And initially those 2 legions served this exact purpose (not entirely confirmed), because there's so little about them in the lore, they might as well be bright pink dudes with long blonde hair who love to play with my little ponies or pitch black menacing people who eat babies for breakfast

[@Fatalbeast22]

To expand on what bricky says about the ultramarines (my personal favorite legion) yes they dont have a legion wide quirky thing about them, but they do have many individual characters that are great, and many of those have been basically having to be a backbone of the imperium until guilliman returned. What i love about the ultramarines is their absurd level of honor, pride and their devotion to their duty, they treat being an ultra marine and fighting for their chapter like its the greatest honor theyll ever receive and they have such pride for who and what they are that they would rather die than even suggest they arent devoted to their duty. Now, they did have an issue while guilliman was gone for 10k years, and that was they clung to the codex astartes (basically a book of rules guilliman wrote on how soace marines should do things) and they clung to it so hard they became inflexable and would literally fight other space marines going against the rules even if following the rules meant death, since guilliman has returned, alot of the legion has eased up on following the book word for word as even guilliman belives there needs to be some flexibility. Guilliman is also unique for a primarch in the fact that when he helps, or gets a world to join him whether through diplomacy or force, he believes they must help fix and atleast get the planet to a livable condition so the people dont try and revolt, most primarchs just win and then leave the planet to fend for themselves

[@aamacan]

Oh yeah... Its Emperoring time

[@nukem8128]

Nightlords are my favorite legion as well. They are so far outside the normal box for marines, and the stories with Konrad and his descent into madness are incredible. If you want a long form video about specific characters, I recommend Amber Kings videos. His Konrad Curze one was amazing.

[@MWilmott]

SPACE WOLF FOR LIFE! FOR RUSS AND THE ALLFATHER!

[@nathanchildress9372]

FOR THE ALLFATHER!!

[@randomcenturion7264]

The Inquisition learned not to Fuck with Logan Grimnar.

[@lordkilljoy9652]

"YIFF YIFF YIFF" - Common Space Wolf warcry (according to Magnus the Red)

[@doublep1980]

Fenrys hjølda!

[@TheJamie119]

Lion for Life!

[@user-mk6fn1ep4d]

James Workshop created 40K

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, Titus sniping some Gargoyles.

[@RworldKM]

Anyone who is into anime, every weeb, automatically aligns themselves with the Emperor's Children. Slaanesh is your waifu.

[@hexfart4562]

And that's what makes them disgusting ew cuz you know she/it who thirst I am one of the last emperor children loyalist

[@PowerGem_257]

Yes it is. Any other questions?

[@usernamealreadytaken9330]

@@RworldKM They like Emperor's children because they fell for Slaanesh, I like Emperor's children because Fabulous Bile. We are not the same.

[@watcherzero5256]

Nah man, Imperial Fists are my church. I wasnt my enemy to build a wall just so I can take it down brick by brick.

[@datzfatz2368]

@@usernamealreadytaken9330 I like the Emperor's Children because of Rylanor

[@Gbmination]

If you're curious about the organs shoved into space marines, there's a series of videos of an actual surgeon going in depth about each and every one of them

[@slothfulquagsire199]

FROM THE VOID WE COME! FOR THE CHARCHARODONS! There was an Ultramarine movie... it was kinda shit (IMDB gives it a 5.6/10)... it's likely why there isn't much as it was a HUGE flop. Amazon and Henry Cavil are working on a Live Action Series... that most likely not happen as Amazon is trying to fuck over the lore and as Henry Cavil is a super fan of 40K... he's not having it.

[@Shideous]

Something to know is that there is a difference between Legion and Chapter. Pre-Heresy they where called Legions because each had ca 100 000-200 000 Space Marine each. After the Heresy the loyalist split the Legions in to Chapters with max 1000 Space Marine each and they use their parent Primarch's Gene-seed. Therefore the Chaos Marines still call themself Space Legion (even if they have split in to several war-bands) and we now have thousands of Chapters on the Imperiums side.

[@gabthegreat01]

Hey man, you don’t have to do reactions to them or anything, but if you want more Bricky 40k lore, I recommend watching his videos on the Adeptus Ridiculous channel. They go WAAAY deeper into the lore of all the factions. Certainly something to listen to while just chilling about.

[@petrasbirthdaygoblinhoney4565]

Part of the reason we haven’t seen any real attempts to tell the story on a movie or tv format is bc Games Workshop is pretty particular about lore. They don’t necessarily care about the quality of an adaptation but more if it’s mostly lore accurate. A lot of bigger directors kinda wanna do their own thing and make changes to stuff lots of times and they just won’t let you partner with them if that’s going to be your approach

[@TheTyrannicScholar]

Also because major studios are very risk averse and super nerdy stuff like 40k only really got mainstream appeal thanks to the success of Game of Thrones and the MCU. Whilst stuff like Star Wars and Star Trek have always been popular enough to garner a degree of mainstream appeal, I'd imagine that studios didn't really care much for sci-fi/fantasy until they saw the massive popularity of the MCU and GOT over the last 10 years.

[@mercurioslevin1877]

Space Marine 2 bought a lot of new folks into the hobby but interestingly enough there have been 40k released nearly yearly for a very long time starting from way back in 1992, sadly alot of them cant be legally obtained any more due to IP licenses running out or devs going bust just before they had to renew them etc - Space Hulk Ascension being a good example (turn based, tactical combat with RPG elements) I'm currently replaying Inquisitor martyr which is basically a Diablo game in 40k from 2018 XD The was meant to be live action tv series said to be in the works with Henry Cavill buut.... 2024 politics got in the way and pretty much killed it, there has been a few live action short films....they are from the 90's and boy do they look cheesy, the armour looks great but the alien effects are laughable XD. there was also a CGI spacemarine film but it was clearly written by someone that didnt know the lore and was just given a brief rundown of things e.g the Ultramarines keep using the line "and we shall know no fear" as if it was a catchphase they used for pretty much everything when in the lore that phase is pretty much only used from a quote from the emperor when he first started the creation of space marines. They also find out that the Imperial Fist detachment that was meant to be guarding the location where the film takes place got wiped out in an ambush after being baited into chasing their foes... So a chapter renowned for its defensive siege doctrine and calm collected manner just decides to forget all that to chase a foe, leaving their fortress completely unmanned? i think not! lol

[@Sorain1]

Funny enough, the best 40k film remains Damnatus in my opinion. You can find copies floating around the internet, since GW struck them down so late that the people who worked on it just 'got hacked' for the finalized film.

[@amelianyoom9545]

We actually have no idea what’s happening with the Henry Cavill stuff, all we know is that GW have said that they have until December to work out creative licensing stuff and more than likely the reason for if it does fall through would probably be their iron grip on the franchise that Amazon might not want to comply with, in which case I can’t really blame GW.

[@mercurioslevin1877]

@@amelianyoom9545 true plus GW has been very tightfisted with the IP compared to the past, even going as far as to stop fan passion project etc, it used to seemly hand it out to anyone that even looked at it twice XD

[@TheTyrannicScholar]

The live action stuff with Henry Cavill is still being negotiated. The 'leaks' about him leaving were a literal shitpost on 4chan where the guy literally joked his dad at Nintendo told him. A bunch of culture war idiots who know nothing about 40k than started ranting about it. Games Workshop themselves have confirmed that the negotiations will go until December, at which point the companies will either settle on terms, extend negotiations, or go their separate ways.

[@harrysap_art5082]

4:20 After the heresy, they thought that the legions were too dangerous to stay together (Guilliman wrote the book that says that instead of legions with tens of thousands of space marines, they need to be chapters of 1000 or so space marines each so in case they fell to chaos it would not get out of hand) so they "broke" into chapters hailing from each legion. Chapters have the same geneseed but other characteristics as well depending on the planet they recruit from.

[@c4ns3r53]

My favorite chapter is the Lamenters. Now that you watching the Legions, you can get into the understanding between Legions and chapters, maybe you already know. Legions where the first thing, after the Heresy, they where broke down to chapters. First founding where the Legions, second and so on are the chapters of 1.000 Astartes, so imagine, Ultramarines had like 160.000 Astartes, the they broke down to chapters of 1.000 Astartes, imagine how many chapters there is pero loyalist legion. Now, am telling you, create your own!, with it is own colors, culture, tactics, everything, am very exited to see with what you come up with. Cheers from Chile, brother.

[@Tom-zd2fc]

@@c4ns3r53 wena

[@c4ns3r53]

@@Tom-zd2fc la media volá.

[@dorothelazyone9922]

Conrad curze, one of the most tragic primarcs. Also, as my people call him: "EL SEÑOR DE LA NOCHE!!! 🎵"

[@solastro5595]

The legions were broken up into smaller chapters after heresy to avoid a large concentration of power that may rebel in the future.

[@KKzErstorung]

To be stark…40k is too manly and testosterone driven to be made today as a TV series or movie. Early 2010s or late 2000s would’ve been a good time to make it. Which is why even though the biggest Warhammer nerd actor in Henry Cavill. Is having a hard time with Amazon. Their “values and ideals” are keeping Cavill from creating a lore accurate series.

[@dekai7992]

Only if your understanding of 40k ends at the outermost layer. The real hard part is to present 40k in its satirical complexity, and I would think that Amazon has a hard time analysing the target audience and the market niche for that, and deciding on a framework that works for them as a product and that GW deems faithful to their IP at the same time. I've worked with GW licensing. They're hard to please and never compromise, which is a good thing for their IP.

[@KKzErstorung]

@@dekai7992 it is true that I’m fairly new to the 40k universe. I still understand the outlandish over the top take on humanities worst traits spread across some a lot of it. Even then it is plain to see that Amazon has the same problems that Netflix had with its producers and writers. They couldn’t have chosen a better person in Henry Cavill to lead this project for 40k. Somehow they still end up messing it up with their views on what it should be. Prime example was having female Astartes because they NEED females to have half the dialogue. When Cavill suggested that there’s other female roles like the Sisters of Battle or Silence they rejected it out right. Despite GW hold on the franchise it ultimate is Amazon dropping the ball here.

[@bad-people6510]

"What's with the planets blowing up dude?" Warhammer.

[@kombatklan521]

Would HIGHLY recommend watching Wizards and Warrior's developing documentary series on Warhammer 40k, which personally helped me visualize and understand the events of the Horus Heresy/Great Crusade without having to read hundreds of books

[@Redhotandblue89]

Now let's see you get a box of space marines, assemble them, paint them, and then play with them. That. Would. Be. Fire.

[@ShiroNura]

After the Horus Heresey the surviving loyalist legions were reduced to having 1000 space marines each and the extras broken up into "successor chapters". There are hundreds of these chapters with names like "Crimson fists, Raptors, Storm Giants etc and they have their own unique colour armor design that you can paint as miniatures.

[@maxwellsope1080]

The emperors children were some of the favorite astartes of the emperor. That's why he named them emperors children.

[@richardbudge9416]

A truly sad part about the World Eaters is Angron started out as a nice person, and hated conflict. They had to stick the nails in his head to get him to fight. It's highly likely that the World Eaters were supposed to be the leigion that specialized in healing and medical procedures. Angron cut out parts of his brain to make himself angrier not for the anger, but to try and escape the pain.

[@petrasbirthdaygoblinhoney4565]

The reason he mentioned sub factions is because after the horus heresy the primarch of the ultramarines basically forced all the legions to disband and organise into chapters consisting of around 1000 space marines. This was known as the second founding and you get groups like the Black Templars coming from that (there’s also many many more foundings following that)

[@Wineblood]

A bit of terminology to help people understand. Each primarch had a legion of space marines (numbering in the hundreds of thousands) and after the horus heresy it was deemed that no single individual could control such a fighting force so the legions were broken down into space marine chapters (limited to 1000 marines).

[@fosterbennington6405]

The reason there’s more sub groups is because after the Heresy it was decided that they should all split up into smaller chapters so if they defect to chaos again it isn’t a horrific amount of organised manpower rushing directly towards terra again. It’s also so you can make your own cool colour schemes when you paint your little dudes, people think that’s what the missing primaries are there for but that’s not true because chapters already exist.

[@keithtestaverde3712]

For legions 2 and 11. They were originally customizable legions the player would play as, but they eventually changed that. They basically had to write them out/into of the lore (because there was no lore for them). So basically they did something so absolutely horrifying that they were destroyed (Primarch included) and deleted from Imperial history. Even the Chaos legions are terrified of what the 2nd and 11th legions did and will not speak of it.

[@m0nkey999]

10:55 Warhammer 40k setting was originally created in 1987 by Rick Priestley and it was named rogue trades. Since then the lore is been expanded by a lot of different writers with the lore parts in the rulebooks and with books and novels

[@PreceptorGrant]

Okay, the sub-faction thing: back in the time of the Great Crusade, the Emperor created the Primarchs and the Legions. This is around the year 30k or so. M30 or M31 to use the Imperial notation. The Legions were vast, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of marines in each. Then the Horus Heresy happened. In the aftermath, it was decided that the Legions needed to be broken up, so that no one person could ever wield so much power and do so much damage ever again. So, the Legions were broken down into hundreds of Chapters, each with around a nominal 1000 marines or so. There are still chapters bearing the historic names and colours of the original Legions, but also a whole host of other 'successor' chapters, originally formed with men and geneseed from their parent or 'progenitor' legions. The Black Templars, for example, are a successor Chapter descended from the Imperial Fists.

[@bluwlvrine]

After the Horus Heresy, the "Second Founding" occurred. Guilliman didn't want a single person to have that much control again, so he thought it would be best if every space marine legion was broken up into chapters no more than 1000 members strong. The Black Templars are one of these chapters, and their gene seed is derived from the Imperial Fists legion.

[@OO-Enterprises]

An important part of the Space Wolves that Bricky failed to mention is that they are always at risk of transforming into werewolf-like creatures, called wulfen, which is the result of a genetic defect inherited from their primarch, Leman Russ who had wolf DNA (Canis Helix) spliced into him during his creation. Its this Canis Helix that gives the Space Wolves their wolf-like features such as their enhanced sense of hearing and smell, elongated fangs and hirsute physiques but can also lead them into permanently transforming into wulfen.

[@ArfurFaulkesHake]

@Deebee Legions where 31st millenium, then the Horus Heresy happend and now in the 41st millenium legions are split into Chapters (1000 Marines tops), so a single chapter can never be strong enough to successfully betray the Imperium.

[@Тиран-с5э]

A quick note on the Word Bearers - it was Lorgar who wrote the "bible" that the Imperium worships.

[@kubobetterrelax7435]

What he doesn't say about the Raven Legion is that they have this very cool ability to disappear and literally become one with the shadows. There's an excerpt from the books where one Space Marine is staring at Corvus Corax and his helmet is telling him nothing is there. Meanwhile, he sees Corvus with his own eyes standing right in front of him shadows all around. Corvus is also inside the warp right now. He's a half human half bird monster creature (still 100% loyalist) but he hunted down Lorgar and kicked his ass.

[@4myzelf]

Fun fact, the Space Wolves are the ones the Emperor calls if he needs a legion wiped liked the 2nd and 11th legion

[@RoninOCE]

The dope thing about Alpharius and Omegon is that they are the smallest of the primarchs, which helps them blend in with their legion. Alpharius is actually dead in the current setting and it looks as though Omegon is currently trying to undermine Chaos and give the Imperium a hand from the shadows.

[@commissaryarrick9614]

The 2nd and 11th legion are the two lost legions. All records have been expunged and even memories have been altered. Their fates are unknown, but it’s implied Leman Russell and the Space Wolves may have had to put down one of them during the great crusade. Leman Russ’s loyalty is unquestionable, which is why he was also called upon to lead the censure host to Prospero during the burning of Prospero incident where they attacked the XVth legion, the Thousand Sons.

[@Seraphis1911]

man, seeing the steam come from your ears when you're processing for the first time to the same when my friend tried explaining the table top game to me. magical yes, but man your brain is mush after.

[@charleswain6124]

My favourite story from the Horus Heresy is this Son of Horus boasting about his background on Cthonia as a hardcore ganger, and an Imperial Fist shrugging and saying he's from Necromunda (which is almost Nostramo levels of bad).

[@kennethmana3103]

The Alpha legion's loyalty can be some up with a toss of a coin