Deep Blue | Down the Rabbit Hole

After an electrical engineer enters the field of computer chess, his creation captures the attention of the world as he attempts to defeat the world chess champion.
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[@FredrikKnudsen]

Errors: At 1:43:26, the wrong board position is shown; the proper board position should have been one move later, after each side had moved their rooks. Also, on 1:54:37, the knight moves from f6 to f4 when it should have moved to g4. To my knowledge, these are the only animation errors The song "Deep Blue" during the credits is available to listen on Ryan's KZbin channel here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKCnq6t-fbKFqbM

[@justaneditygangstar]

You are the best commentator Channel ever your videos are art, and pure genius

[@CaliNux.]

Perfectionist

[@Arcaxon]

Sorry about that! I tried to be extra careful so I'm sorry I didn't notice this mistake. Hopefully it's not too distracting!

[@snarfulhusocks1688]

I never would have noticed. You're one of the best documentarians around. Thanks for the awesome learning!

[@FredrikKnudsen]

@@Arcaxon I made a typo in one of the quotes around minute ten, so we're even. :p

[@TempestKrimps]

"it made a move that surprised everyone in attendance: pawn to d5" me, who knows nothing about chess: no way

[@MajoraWaffle]

me for most of the video tbh. i could be spoonfed all the basic rules about chess and still never understand it.

[@jharris4234]

🤣🤣 me

[@aaronlandry3934]

@@MajoraWaffle Chess really isn’t that difficult of a game nor is it too difficult to learn. You can learn to play on your phone by just moving the pieces around for a few rounds before you really get a feel for how the game works. Honestly though, that move isn’t particularly noteworthy for people playing chess. I’m guessing it was noteworthy, because they finally got the computer to play like a person?

[@armitx9]

55:57

[@n0rst4thew1cked3]

Anytime Kasparov made a mistake Me who has maybe played chess a handful of times for fun: YOU BLEW IT!!!

[@SminkingDoctor]

The detail of Kasparov’s mother telling him to shut up is hilarious

[@thepigeonmanlyon7155]

There's a reason the Queen is the most powerful chess piece. Everyone listens when your mum tells you to shut up

[@Mr.5N]

If only the IBM people had their mothers there to tell them to shut up when they started being shitty.

[@panqueque445]

Only person in the room with the guts to tell him to quit whining. No matter who you are, even if you're the best in the world, when your mom tells you to shut up, you shut up.

[@loveheart115]

The mom is an A+ human being here. Comes to all her kid’s games, tells Gary to shut up, makes an amazing comment about supercomputers, capitalism and psychological warfare. Fantastic person

[@sleepless9326]

That was my favorite part imagining that old woman yelling shut up and him probably looking all sad and saying ok is so funny to me

[@Electric0eye]

How odd a moment that was, when Kasparov lost the game to the first machine capable of beating him. "Where did I go wrong?" he asked his opponent, as someone who dedicated his life to his craft, with a deep understanding of the game. And yet Deep Blue couldn't answer him. It could only play chess.

[@mujtabaalam5907]

It actually could, it's just that Hsu forgot its analyses.

[@jamesmayle3787]

Jesus Christ is Lord. It is all true. Please take your salvation seriously. Read the Bible and do what it says

[@lasarousi]

@@jamesmayle3787 Jesus was a pimp, alcoholic and dished out lashes to innocent common merchants, he really is a role model.

[@dannygjk]

@@jamesmayle3787 Huh?!

[@hoidoei941]

@@jamesmayle3787 Seek help

[@alecpitts6843]

The computer mistaking the queen sacrifice as a winning game plan was quite endearing and childlike

[@leon9021]

Yeah holyyyy XD

[@loganwendigo937]

This quickly went from the creation of a chess computer to the shittiness of IBM

[@nate.draws.things]

For real. Seemed like it was the Deep Blue team trying to build a CPU that could beat the best chess player, but IBM just wanted the publicity of winning, regardless of the means.

[@MrKillswitch88]

That is corporate America in general, nothing matters but the bottom line.

[@Solitaryparadise99]

Yea, unfortunately and unsurprisingly corporations are only ever driven by profit

[@Daniel-ht4wr]

Yea, seems really shitty, underhanded and unsportsmanlike. If Deep Blue were a professional chess player then its games would have been publicly available for Kasparov to review and analyse, it can't really be said that IBMs machine was truly better given this unfair advantage. Nevertheless, modern chess programs would absolutely demolish any player, so i guess it was an inevitable victory of machine over man

[@sirzmo]

All roads lead to the shittiness of IBM

[@josephalvarez5315]

The part where the computer would sacrifice it's queen because grandmasters who sacked their queen normally won was so funny to me. He had the right idea, just not the right context

[@anecnhoj572]

He's a little confused but he got the spirit

[@casbyness]

Aaaaaaand then the anecdote becomes terrifying when you imagine something similar happening to a military computer. "Oh, so nuking Hiroshoma and Nagasaki won the war? Sweet. I'll just nuke here...and here..and also here...oh, what about here? You know what, let's just nuke everywhere, then I'll DEFINITELY win!" - Skynet, probably.

[@Akumasama]

Learning algorithms are useful to give advice to people... but not so much to make decisions, because you can't predict what they'll decide to do. What the AI learned is often impossible to tell until it's put in action, at which point it'll occasionally do stuff like that. Source: Working at a HR firm that tried to add a learning algo to its product to make some human management decisions and identify early problems with regard to worker retention. It... uh... failed. Fortunately, it failed in QA and not in prod.

[@casbyness]

@Boa-Noah If Victory

[@connardman]

@@casbyness Watch Wargames, a movie released in 1983 directed by John Badham. (edit : he cited it at 34:22) Let's say it's about a military A.I controlling nuclear weapons... (37 years later the movie still hold up, also good actors)

[@silvertail7131]

I'm surprised how sad this left me. All that build up, to a final match where the machine was bugged and making mistakes, and the master player was too preoccupied looking for tricks to see the computer as an opponent to beat. Ended not with a bang but with a whimper.

[@edsmith2203]

Fear... The killer of the greatest of men. The sinker of the greatest of ships.

[@mohibisweeboooh6735]

Just like the fate of the universe

[@johnqpublic2718]

I'm just curious why you thought your opinion on this topic meant anything.

[@iamnotsuspicious6274]

I thought i would go "wow what an interesting end to a game of the greatest chess master and a chess computer made by passionate engineers!" But it was so depressing by the end that i just never wanted any of these people to lose nor win

[@iamnotsuspicious6274]

It would have been cool if it was a fun rivalry of a team dedicated to beating this one very impressive guy, then this guy wanting to beat this unpredictable computer and it just ends with a friendly handshake of each parties still wanting to beat the other but it did not go that way at all, i was naive as hell

[@Zedigan]

I admire Kasparov's attitude towards technology. In the early years he saw himself as a way for computers to improve. Then to have Deep Blue drove him to the brink of a mental breakdown, he is still an advocate for it and all the good it can do. If that were me I probably would have cursed technology for the rest of my life, at the very least be very suspicious of it

[@rosiehawtrey]

The problem with his position on chess/AI is sadly all too common. A good person finds it very hard to see what a bad person can do with that sort of tech. While a bad person knows full well how much good it can do but prefers to make automated armed drones. But neither of them see the possibility of emergent behaviour, the complete potential independence of concepts and "thought" in a suitably advanced AI (or even just a world class bug). Imagine a national AI energy control system, that balances needs and systems across the country - notices that certain facilities have high energy uses and bugs out, providing old peoples homes, or hospitals with *its* assumptions of the power they need, based on similar sized utterly unrelated facilities, in a Canadian grade winter... The last words of the human race will be along the lines of "it shouldn't have done that...". Because the people who design this stuff are always under the control of others who in the relatory functional sense are Baboons with delusions of grandeur and a company car... Witness IBMs behaviour. I don't like our odds as a species..

[@ingram2617]

@@rosiehawtrey the real tragedy is that such computer controlled systems could potentially turn our world into a utopia. But they wont because the only humans with the resources and power to implement them would have to craft them with completely altruistic intent, and willingly surrender their own control. It's a pipe dream.

[@chaseh9499]

if i was the best of all time at something and then got beat by a computer i would go full Kaczynski

[@darcyjohnson6771]

@@chaseh9499 I think of him when I watch this. Good eye.

[@SuperChrisDub]

@@rosiehawtrey As a programmer with 25 years experience, your "It shouldn't have done that" comment made me chuckle to myself as it something I have heard a lot over the years.

[@ianw4345]

“Stripped to his underpants, laid on the bed, and stared at the ceiling for a protracted period of time” ...relatable

[@Gstrangeman96]

If doing that was how you become a chess grandmaster I'd wipe the floor with Deep Blue

[@KaeYoss]

Weird, really, pointing it out like that seems to imply that Kasparov doesn't do that regularly.

[@theFurDeficit]

@@soccrstar4 what field were you studying in college

[@valuablesandwich]

Yeah this is me afrer every bad beat in poker

[@locke103]

that's usually me when i bomb at an MTG prerelease. you'd think 20+ years of experience would offer me... well, anything. but nope, i still suck at a competitive level. even for something as casual as a prerelease.

[@jprofio]

I dunno why it was weirdly wholesome to hear in the middle of the intense chess match "his mother was there and snacks were provided"

[@quailcore6127]

And then she was like “shut up, Garry. Your opponent just fainted!”

[@TheLochs]

His mother telling Gary to "shut up" made me spit out my drink, lol. One of the greatest minds in the world and he still has to put up with his mother. It makes me smile because we realize he's human just like us.

[@npc4416]

now realize how many great minds have been "shut up" into not pursuing their dreams because of their moms 😔

[@ahadmerchant7510]

"one of the greatest minds" bruh it's a board game.

[@heavy0119]

@@ahadmerchant7510 it’s deeper than that. because it represents technological advancement

[@buzzlightyearpfp7641]

@@ahadmerchant7510 you do realize he did other things than just play chess, right?

[@mimotakito1114]

@@ahadmerchant7510 bruh you completely missed the point lmfao

[@8stormy5]

It really is cool to see how the question "can chess computers beat humans?" went from "It's theoretically possible but practically very unlikely to be competitive" to "It can play about on par with Grandmasters" and nowadays the answer is just "if a computer wasn't artificially impairing itself, no human nor committee of them could beat it"

[@mello-by]

Mittens…😢😟😫

[@HonsHon]

Technically the computer is given data from committees upon committees of people who are probably grandmasters. So technically it is just humans beating humans, but with an AI twist.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@@HonsHon trueeeee lol

[@menooNFT]

@@HonsHon i guess you could say in a sense a part of their souls for chess are infused and combined into the machine living on and accumulating the knowledge of all chess masters beforehand just like chessmasters today learn from books of the chess masters long past

[@trustytrest]

@@menooNFT nah, you couldn't say that

[@apowerfulfeelingofterror6893]

I just knew the "Down the Rabbit Hole" movie would come out before the Spoony movie.

[@MegaFat1]

Don't. Tell me. How to make a movie.

[@vandinner]

Wow, they're already here, huh?

[@MforMovesets]

Oh so you watched the Spoony video yesterday too?

[@apowerfulfeelingofterror6893]

@@MforMovesets Close! I rewatched all of the DtRH videos last week.

[@Mikey-zj8bn]

I have see peaple in real life throw alot of money down the tubes but spoony has to take the cake what 5 grand a month and he couldn't just keep makeing normal videos....

[@YouGottaCarryThatWeight]

He comes back every 500 years like a Phoenix, or syphillis

[@ghostnoodle9721]

Or Ronald Reagan

[@MysticTruhan]

Pretty sure syphillis comes around a lot more often than that. [insert mother joke here]

[@psyopticprodigy2427]

It's glorious every time though

[@bobgoogwin123]

llamas... yummy

[@EKIANandWolvesGaming]

Been hearing him talk about this on Twitter for the past few months, the videos have like hundreds of hours of work poured into them

[@subject_9875]

I wasn't sure who I was rooting for until that part about IBM not letting Kasparov watch Deep Blues matches but after that I was 100% on Team Kasparov. That was dishonorable and gave their side a significant advantage. Also, you told this story really well. I know nothing about chess but this story held my attention the entire run. Well done and thank you.

[@3takoyakis]

i was on kasparov then IBM and stick with kasparov in the end since IBM didnt played it with sportmanship spirit it was like, once they knew the stock increase, they becomes greedy for it for kasparov, just like green goblin said, "what ppl loved more than a hero is a fallen hero"

[@jamesruth100]

@@3takoyakis I feel bad for Hsu and his team as well since they seemed to be more than willing to cooperate with Kasparov. The fact that they wanted to, but were unable to, provide logs both through sheer bad luck from the computer as well as IBM's interference is very sad. If Kasparov was able to contact Hsu or another member of his team directly, rather than having to go through IBM, I feel like it would've been significantly different. A legendary man lost a match he likely could've won, and a legendary team won a game because the house made sure deck had been stacked in their favor; I'm sure that nobody aside from corporate big wigs were content with the way things shook out and it must've left a bad taste in their mouths. IBM should've been ashamed.

[@Caffeine_Addict_2020]

It makes sense - all programs have bugs; oversights. I'm sure that kasparov could have found a dumb, basic pattern or scenario the programmers had overlooked, and exploited it. I'm sure that's what IBM feared most of all; their million dollar computer going from a world class chess player to a bumbling rookie due to an exploit

[@ptorq]

I disagree that it was "dishonorable". Knowing what an opponent has done in the past is FAR more predictive of what it will do in the future for a computer player than it is for a human player. It almost makes me wonder if maybe they shouldn't build in some fuzzy logic. Like, evaluate the top N moves and assign them probabilities based on their relative strengths, then roll the dice to see which it uses just to prevent an opponent from knowing with certainty what it will do in any given situation. That's actually almost what happened in the second competition; Blue was making errors due to bugs but since Kasparov wasn't aware of the bug he thought the computer might have found a truly inspired line of play that he just wasn't capable of seeing. Had he had more games to analyze he might have realized "Oh, in this situation it ALWAYS makes this mistake" and then been able to capitalize on that.

[@HungerGamesFan88]

personally i would just go with fuck corporations. both the deep blue team and kasparov were at least trying to operate within good faith, afaict

[@thomassomeone4868]

Kasparov’s mother screaming at him to shut up for complaining while the Deep Blue team tried to restart the program made me laugh so hard

[@them4309]

XD Grown a** world champion being shamed by his mom in the audience. LMAO

[@granknutterbutter3472]

So, Kasparov couldn't tell whether a move was a bug or a feature. Clearly, Deep Blue ran on Bethesda's Creation game engine. And it did, in fact, just work.

[@alisona.4166]

I can't believe CD project red made Deep Blue.

[@caseywilson3764]

Gotta love oblivion Fighters Guild bugs. Investigating the willow the wisps and the one involving blackwood company.

[@xavseq727]

only 16 times better

[@lum26akua28]

Okay, you made me laugh.

[@joanaguadomedina3060]

The game was rigged from the start

[@markkrousos5011]

"Drag your opponent in a dark forest, where 2 + 2 = 5 and the way out is wide enough for only one man". Never in my life could I have imagined such terrifying words could be said about chess.

[@ruffusgoodman4137]

Me, as an Applied Math major: "heh, this is nothing..."

[@markkrousos5011]

@@ruffusgoodman4137 lol how bad can it get?

[@ruffusgoodman4137]

​@@markkrousos5011 Imagine studying a theorem that can prove that for any given set, a solution can be applied to a condensed continuous non-linear space. Imagine now that you discover another theorem that surpass the first, making the solution appliable on the limits of this space. And now a third one, where, given certain conditions met, it applies to the entire space. And now, you're asked to prove it. Top to bottom.

[@markkrousos5011]

@@ruffusgoodman4137 *confused screaming*

[@ruffusgoodman4137]

@@markkrousos5011 I became (in)famous for getting three tests a grade 0.5/10, making it to a last chance test, scoring 5/10 (out of sheer memorizing of the questions another guy SCORED 10/10!!!) and getting approved. To this day, this is one of my most absurd "fisherman" stories as people who hears it say.

[@dwr962]

Hey fredrik, a little more than a year ago I stumbled across this video and fell in love with AI and carnegie mellon university through your fantastic storytelling. I've recently been admitted to CMU's school of computer science to hopefully pursue an AI major. Thank you for your inspiration!

[@yourmother2779]

Congratulations! Good luck with your studies :)

[@soh_show669]

Good luck!!

[@cyber_rachel7427]

Congratualtions! Had I my time again I'd have went the computer science route I hope you achieve all you hope to!

[@MrMaddoks]

Congratulations! I just stumbled on this channel, love hearing this!!

[@bigsteppininmystilts5044]

hell yes doris!! hope you succeed

[@Kirk00077]

What I find so compelling about this particular competition-in particular the first match-is that it’s a totally asymmetrical battle where both sides are heroes. On the one hand you have IBM and Dr. Hsu pushing the boundaries of what was possible in computing, and on the other hand you have Kasparov, who is both an incredible chess player and a generally inspiring person. The Kasparov-Deep Blue match was sold as man versus machine, but it was really a competition between great human minds on both sides. And despite the tension later on, everybody wins-Kasparov made a lot of money and became a household name outside the chess world, Hsu got to know his computer was able to defeat the greatest human chessplayer of his era, and IBM made even more money and improved their public image in dramatic fashion. It’s a shame the rematch ended with the controversy it did, but even still nobody was really hurt.

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

Imagine the resume: Garry Kasparov, Chess Grandmaster and World Champion, Defender of Humanity.

[@LeviForWaifu]

*pacific rim theme* kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6e4aIunidSNqdE

[@StrikeWarlock]

Defender of Democracy as well, since Kasparov tried to run against Putin.

[@radioactivehalfrhyme]

The band Tropical [redacted] Storm have a great song with lyrics to this effect. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqbIhoqGndOFgLM

[@KittSpiken]

I was rooting for him the whole video.

[@cyrilgigee4630]

He's also currently Chairman of the Human Rights Foundation.

[@qcote8219]

Kasparov: "theyre cheating!" Team blue: "yeah, so that was a bug"

[@MaXF25]

It's a feature not a bug.

[@doubtful_seer]

@@MaXF25 Todd?

[@bennoisms]

@@doubtful_seer underated comment

[@namesurname7665]

Homestuck

[@askerror1987]

@@doubtful_seer It just works ; )

[@michaeltennen5775]

I think it’s super encouraging how Kasparov is able to advocate for the advancement of the technologies that crushed his passion because of its capabilities outside of a chess game.

[@blazednlovinit]

If a tank could win a tug of war Co petition with rhe world's strongest man, would he feel shame for a machine being better than what he is best at? It's the same thing really

[@Cipher71]

Hsu has to be one of the most humble and compassionate people I've ever heard of. He could've dismissed Berliner as being old and out-of-touch, but instead he showed him respect and empathized with his perspective/feelings. I just... wow... we could all learn something from him.

[@koirvne]

He must've been a learned Daoist, I often read about cultivators who thinks in the same way.

[@kylejenson6607]

@@koirvne The man is currently an anti-theist and former Christian. This influence even affected his writings which contain Biblical imagery Just because he is Asian doesn't mean he is a "learned Daoist" don't stereotype people, thats racist.

[@taiironclaw2889]

@@kylejenson6607Considering the fact that Daoism is the second most practiced religion in Taiwan, it is fair to assume that because that religion is a part of the culture he is from. It is no different than assuming a Westerner as being possibly Abrahamic (mainly Christian) even tho some of us are Atheist. If the assumption is incorrect, then simply correct the record and move on. Stop watering down the definition of racism just to bolster your own projecting ego.

[@alderstifen7738]

@@taiironclaw2889 Yea, but you want to know the difference? About 1/3 of Taiwan is Daoist. About 3/4 of America is Christian. It's not really racist, but it's still a little weird. It's like saying "Oh you have such good moral values, you must be atheist." Assuming religion from ones actions is certainly odd.

[@jameslaidler2152]

Is it really necessary to point out the irony of this exchange?

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

“Defender of humanity against the machine scourge” is the most metal thing I’ve heard in a long time, I absolutely love that

[@TheMetalAllfather]

It's a fucking fear factory lyric if I've ever seen.

[@methanesulfonic]

Sounds like a lyric from cartoon opening song, i love it.

[@TheOneGuy1111]

Basically a more modern John Henry.

[@aaronmelgar7116]

Somebody rec me an anime that embodies that, nao!

[@gregperez-greene7408]

@@aaronmelgar7116 neon genesis evangelion

[@TerabyteHome]

Knudsen could do a 3 hour "Down The Rabbit Hole" on the history of dental fillings and I'd still enjoy the entire thing.

[@cornbreadisbetterthanpizza6866]

I actually think that sounds right up his alley.

[@preyo6511]

That sounds super interesting

[@henrg]

"Often scene as a mundane aspect of our modern life, not much is spoken about the long, complicated history of our most common oral operation"

[@nameofthename]

why are you right

[@HungerGamesFan88]

Shit I could probably see if my mom could find some 80s/90s dental school textbooks

[@Raezra]

38:31 I'm honestly surprised this isn't talked about more. They had to change the name cause people kept calling the machine "Deep Throat"? That's hilarious.

[@nicholaskoa1371]

do you understand what deep throat means? probably not, if you're "honestly surprised" why in the era that it was in, that people would mention it as such.

[@tripgiannini1892]

They’re referring to the Watergate Informant, he used the alias Deep Throat to hide his identity since this led to President Nixon being impeached and stepping down from office.

[@tripgiannini1892]

@@nicholaskoa1371 you could have just told him what Deep Throat was 🤷‍♂️

[@creeperhunterD]

@Nicholas Koa Why would they have found it hilarious if they didn't know what it meant? Please re-read their comment. They clearly said they found it surprising that people weren't talking about it, not that it happened.

[@deepthought8770]

I don't believe it. More like IBM marketing wanting to rename and "own" their new product is more likely.

[@anytimedude]

every few months, i come back and watch this video. i recall, back in april, i was absolutely terrified to give a half-hour thesis defense, and i watched this video before delivering it. took a lot of notes from the way things were clearly and professionally enunciated, but with tangible feeling behind it. got an A on that thesis defense.

[@brenndanmcdonaugh1672]

Ayyy good on you! Congrats on your grade

[@jamesmayle3787]

Jesus Christ is Lord. It is all true. Please take your salvation seriously. Read the Bible and do what it says.

[@brenndanmcdonaugh1672]

@@jamesmayle3787 ah yes. Because their hard work defending their thesis, painstaking research, and personal sacrifice to get the damn thing written, and countless hours of frustration, can ALL be boiled down to Gawd. What a revelation for the ages everyone, give this man a medal for his prodigious theological reasoning.

[@AbandonedVoid]

"There was a problem: He had no budget" Yeah, I feel you there.

[@dangerousd1312]

same brother

[@orestmarkheva7325]

Yeap

[@tanmaynegi3169]

We all were there one time, ya'know...

[@dougthedonkey1805]

Hans Berliner’s story is honestly really tragic. You can’t blame him for being a little pissy when they first started winning, really. Like, this is the type of thing that villain backstories are made of

[@PROTAsoloproject]

"... and that is when I, Hans Berliner, became GRANDMASTER! And now, you worthless pawn... FORFEIT TO ME!!!"

[@BeazerProductions]

That’s a straight-up Scooby-Doo villain backstory.

[@abandonedmuse]

Yeah but he rejected the guy’s idea. He has to know that he messed up saying no.

[@Kurosakio]

I mean, fair but also that's the role of a teacher/mentor. To present the problem and let the student figure out the solution. In theoretical studies and development it pays to be open to radical ideas despite the risk they can carry. Hsu pointed out a logical method of reducing cost and producing a better machine that was revolutionary (if not a bit radical given that decentralized processing was initially faster) and when denied decided to take his idea and run with it. Bitterness is understandable but I feel that as much as Hans' bitterness was toward Hsu and his team it was also directed at his own shortsightedness.

[@poisenbery]

He had every chance to join them

[@Neljosmusic]

As much as I love the crazy Chris-chan video and the others like it, this is probably the best video Fredrik has ever made. Just a great topic covered in such a nice format/display to keep even those who know nothing about computers or chess interested.

[@willyD200]

Kasparov's mom was spot on with her comment about who her son was up against. What a amazing chess master Kasparov is. Great , informative doc.

[@yosh9192]

“The two halves of Deep Blue would never again reunite for their intended purpose” For some reason that made me unreasonably sad

[@XBullitt16X]

Same, the ending to this story si rather bittersweet either way.

[@ShudowWolf]

same

[@NoArtisticLimitation]

Same

[@redpyre]

The picture of Kasparov used during the matches has a bit of Kuleshov effect- at first it makes him look confident and intimidating. As the story unfolds, the same picture almost looks nervous and insecure.

[@thisisbetterthanmyprevious6674]

Underrated comment.

[@redpyre]

@@cibo889 Kuleshov was a Russian filmmaker who came up with that if you put the same two clips of a person before and after different images, the emotion and tone changes. So if you put food, it shows the person expressing hunger, but a girl in a coffin changes to the person reacting sadly. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuleshov_effect

[@littlenyancat5754]

What time?

[@redpyre]

@@littlenyancat5754 There isn't really a specific time, just whenever the photo of Kasparov is shown when they are replaying the match on the board. It's supposed to be subjective.

[@bluewuppo]

Red Karnstein which specific picture? I counted about 5 seperate pics lol

[@LPY-eq3ow]

Kasparov went from accusing them of cheating to declining a rematch after wanting a rematch after his loss. You can tell that he changed a lot mentally and matured more after the game. Could also be that the public and media pressure had lead to him losing his cool which is completely understandable

[@ZaJaClt]

There was little point in a rematch, they cheated, removed any chance of kasparov knowing who he's playing against, basically gave themselves every advantage possible whilst putting the opponent in a loud black box mentally. Plus how we're they allowed to alter the way deep blue sees the king after game 1?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@ZaJaClt "Plus how we're they allowed to alter the way deep blue sees the king after game 1?" Are human opponents not allowed to study their last game and adapt during the rest period?

[@ZaJaClt]

@@Edax_Royeaux you cannot make kasparov suddenly play like another chess player can you

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@ZaJaClt Isn't that Kasparov's decision? Whether or not he'll play anti-computer chess or normal chess.

[@3takoyakis]

IBM decided to exploit his humanity by using many press as possible while kasparov tries to exploit the machine patterns and system bug but rematch game 2 bug was so _unthinkable_ that he loses his cool

[@Gyrfalcon312]

_Finally_ , I have come across the play-by-play of this legendary chess match. It was *much* more nuanced, technical, but riveting, than I ever expected. Knudsen, dude, thank you for doing the documentary on this fascinating story in our history.

[@PerezDFabio]

"While I was playing anti-computer chess I was also playing anti-Kasparov chess" That's a badass line

[@FoxNoctom]

I Sat my ass down, and watched this whole thing uninterrupted, and never for a second looked at the clock or away from the computer, I don't know the last time I did that with any media. This is an insane amount of Work and research and the fact that i could sit and watch it FOR FREE baffles me. You continue to outdo yourself with every video. Bravo Fredrik, Bravo!

[@LeoRex13]

Cable tv garbage with its monthly fee

[@ShanghaiWall]

Well, it's hardly for free. For one, it was paid by his Patreons. Also this video is probably monetized, though I'm not sure. Not to undermine Fredrik's work, but I don't think he would have continued if it wasn't for Patreon. He makes about 2600$ a month from it. This video took him 4 months to make, so the budget was about 10000$, which I guess is not bad for an amateur video maker.

[@iliveinsideyourhouse3943]

Hey, I pay my internet bills to watch this.

[@ItsRawdraft2]

It's not really "for free" tho

[@raspberry1440kb]

I just did the same thing, albeit on a dare; it was a very enjoyable experience and well worth the time!

[@mrttripz3236]

Does anybody find it suspect that they dismantled Deep Blue *immediately* after the win? My theory is that because they programmed the machine so extensively to beat Kasparov it wouldn’t hold up so well against similarly rated grand masters

[@t.7124]

That's a good theory and I choose believe it. Kasparov was so OP they needed a year to design a machine to specifically beat him

[@mrttripz3236]

@@t.7124 I am just really sad that they won't reconnect deep blue and create an AI profile based off of it. It would be fascinating to play Deep Blue

[@xxslendermomxx3026]

I don’t think they would’ve let it play anybody anyway just in case. Lest it suffer a public loss and the stock prices deviate 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@bingbongjoel6581]

If so, that would be kind of disingenuous and disrespectful to the man. I wonder if one of the programmers had some deep-rooted issues with chess players or whatever. We sometimes forget the human aspect, the _Why,_ behind stories like these. In this case, why did they want to make a chess playing AI?

[@JohnDoe-og2bt]

@@bingbongjoel6581 To show off their tech

[@DragonNexus]

It's fascinating and wonderful that after the matches, Kasparov didn't become embittened, suspicious, paranoid...he remained magnanimous when it came to the match itself. IBM treated him poorly, but it's good he seemed to hold no real dislike in the years after of the team behind the computer. It's also good to hear he is pushing for progress within Russia. Good on him.

[@Sqlslammer]

Feng-Hsiung Hsu: I want to create the ultimate chess machine with the ability to defeat any opponent in it's wake! Garry Kasparov: I want to prove that I am the greatest chess player there ever was, human or otherwise! IBM: stonk

[@SudrianTales]

That sounds like the ultimate anime

[@realGBx64]

and they ended up with a machine that's specifically tuned against Kasparov...

[@psyc840]

@@realGBx64Megaton processing power is still megaton processing power.

[@ringkunmori]

If this was an anime, Deep Blue and Kasparov will team up to take down the real villain, IBM. Some Goke Vegeta shit

[@oniplus4545]

meanwhile in Carnagie Mellon University : Hans Berliner : "Feng-hsiung Hsu was able to build a smaller, stronger version than this super computer in a garage, with a box of scraps" his team : "I'm sorry, I'm not Feng-hsiung Hsu"

[@Nexpo]

I saved the rest of my Trix cereal for this

[@notsojharedtroll23]

What a crack

[@bradt.9130]

Luv u

[@Meltryllis_AE]

And you just aren't sharing???

[@drewboden6981]

What a good weekend for deep diving content

[@low_bo]

Cool beans.

[@ashtonn2497]

This is really one of my favorite documentaries of all time. I frequently rewatch and use it almost as a sound machine sometimes. It's so well done on such an interesting topic. One of my favorite things about your editing style is that you always put the quote on the screen during the full reading of it. It makes it super easy to find. Great job, Fredrik.

[@secreus5517]

Coming back to this video a year and a half after it was originally uploaded, looking at it without the normal hype of a DTRH upload. This is like, objectively one of the best documentaries I've ever seen on KZbin. Major props to Fredrik and his team for coming out with really high quality videos like this one non-stop

[@Squeejee09]

"The two halves of Deep Blue stand in separate museums, isolated from one another, never again to be reunited for their intended purpose" damn man now I'm sad.

[@user-yw8sr3uj1w]

Same

[@Gantradies]

given how glitchy and unstable it was going into that game (combined with IBM playing dirty outside the match, and it being set up with preloaded opening moves as a crutch), you could argue its even worse- that it never really ACHIEVED its intended purpose to begin with- heck, that it was incomplete-never to be even finished ;(

[@breadofjustice3584]

me before watching: wtf who cares about chess me during the video: DAMN THE SPANISH TORTURE OPENING???

[@Jacks_Disciple]

Be a good band name ;)

[@stnhndg]

Nobody expects a Spanish Torture!

[@Hummabubba]

Don't forget about the Hyper Accelerated Dragon and the Ultra-Neo Archangel! Chess has some crazy openings lol

[@s.z7750]

I think the best thing out of this whole story is the ending, its so positive, Kasparov kept on playing, retired and is now helping with technological advances on society, Hsu is working for Microsoft and living a peaceful life and Deep Blue is put to rest and stes and example of how smart AI really was back in the 90s, truly a beautiful ending for everyone

[@pecador_cont]

This story, the people, the art, the pictures, the narrator, it's all shown so well that it holds itself a place in me as pure art of life

[@caboose22320]

“After soul searching, I decided to go for glory. You don’t get to make history every day.” God damn.

[@THEZWARRIORWAR]

Imagine being so good you have to choose between being a millionaire or a legend

[@johnny1086]

@@THEZWARRIORWAR hsu a g, can’t believe I haven’t heard of him before

[@thegorn]

Yeah but he could have been the doyen of dot-matrix; the prince of pagination; and the legend of line feed. His research into printer controllers could have saved billions of paper jams and with that - countless lives.

[@SirSoliloquy]

@@thegorn now that you mention it... I’d prefer if this guy ended up working on printers

[@credenzamostro]

@@THEZWARRIORWAR that's the same choice tim Berners-Lee was given, he also picked "legend"

[@AbrokennoseOUCH]

This reminds me of the book "The Man Who Sold The Moon" The narrator does everything in his power to get to the moon after he acquires it for 50 cents. He leveraged everything to build a megacorp to fund a rocket. After a successful return trip he is informed by the board of directors that he cannot get on the rocket because he is too valuable for the company to potentially lose.

[@virgilio6349]

This sounds like the most possible outcome for Elon Musk's dream of stepping on Mars. He might get other people to do it, but he will mosy likely never be able to step on a rocket due to his importance in the company. Man can you imagine the depression that would hit?

[@virgilio6349]

@Mialisus 5 day vacation maybe 100 years from now, but Musk is what? Almost 50? He has about 40 years before kicking it and about 30 years before he's not healthy enough to board a space ship. At the paxe space exploration is going, his chances of even leaving LEO are very low, not to mention since he's CEO, his investors would rather place him in house arrest before letting him board a rocket.

[@danteezy945]

F

[@pokeman5000]

@Mialisus Thats where your wrong. Billions and Billions of people live and die on earth but very few get to ever experience space travel. You may be right in a practical sense. It would be boring barely ever leaving your enclosed environment. But the sense of purpose you would feel would be incredible. You are doing what virtually no other human has in its entire existence. Even being a person to board the ISS or walk on the moon is akin to being a Greek Myth. Thousands of years of technological advancements, man hours spent crafting mathematical formulas, and craftsman endlessly refining tools have lead to the final frontier. And you are now reaping the benefits of mankinds lifetime spent troubleshooting. Billions of people have looked up to the heavens but you have actually been there. The planet named after the Roman empires god of war. Mars.

[@gum8191]

@@virgilio6349 He's a figurehead with a good PR team. He could be replaced with a Vtuber anime girl and people would accept it within months

[@saladbruh2625]

its really fucked up how they treated Kasparov in that last game... if you really wanna win that bad that you do those underhanded tactics like not sending games, making the man uncomfortable... then your triumph really is hollow

[@ashokkumar-zw8vi]

What a video... amazing work. It is not easy to make a quality content like this. I cant imagine the time you took to research it and to write the scripts. Respect bro. Good job. This is very close to Lemmino's style. I love it. I know it doesnt matter a lot since you have a million subs but you got me to subscribe to you with this amazing work. Thank you for your effort. Appreciate it. It was a pleasure to watch.

[@Zei33]

This guy was a legend,”in the end, I decided to go for the glory” Sounds like a heroic adventurer

[@LRAStartFox]

@Egg T I personally don't think he because a villain. His goal had always been to create the greatest chess player, and that's what he was trying to do the whole time. You can see that in how he left IBM and asked kasparov to a rematch on a new machine. IBM was the bad guy, doing it exclusively for their own financial gain, only letting the guy reach his goal because they were profiting

[@king_big_pp]

@Egg T Literally nothing about Hsu paints him as a villain. Nobody's a villain here. IBM did something really shitty by never allowing another chess match against Deep Blue again but the real meat of the story is Man vs Technology. The measuring of human limits against that of a machine.

[@miniaturesandstuff5209]

like the son of a peasant who didn't want a lifetime working the field and so sets out for adventure with his dad's rusty blade..... and then gets mugged and killed by bandits 15 miles down the road shortly after.

[@jonarbuckle1560]

he is one. a very real "Hero" in glinting armor

[@terminator572]

Quite based ngl

[@SamTheCrazyOne]

The power of information: a legit, 2hrs documentary you made "for free" that will still be monetarily worthwhile. Excellent job. This explains why you were quiet as of late.

[@babayega1717]

Yep. Make a two hour video on something that has all relevant information on it, on the first page of google and has been covered twice a year by some random 2 mil sub cahannels, for the past 5 years. Than sit on that video gathering revenue, and just do nothing with your content for an year. That's how you get a channel in the algorithm's limbo, and end up having it stagnate for years. As this one has proven.

[@EarthToPhil]

@@babayega1717 damn dude who hurt you lol

[@landlocked_lifts332]

@@babayega1717 328K views in a day... Yeah, he's really struggling

[@C00LI0DUDE]

fredrik is one of the greats. inb4 the history book writers.

[@DCG909]

@@babayega1717 It's a bit of a duality. I'd say my favorite channel's are the ones that produce really limited numbers of videos with high quality. On the other hand I do like regular content as well, but get annoyed when they suddenly start producing less than normally and will start to look to fill that (sometimes temporary) hole. These documentary's neatly summarize the information in comprehensive way. I'm really not fond pf chess, but the naration, explanation and behind the scenes events make it a worthwhile watch. The algorithm only accounts for new viewers, which get recommended the video. Regular viewers will, most likely, watch the video's anyway when they either see it pop up in their subscription feed or just check up on the channel once in a while.

[@amputechure]

Fredrik, I just want to say that I have watched all of your DTRH videos at least twice and you are brilliant at what you do. I hope you continue pursuing this passion and grow in your success.

[@KP-fy5bf]

This is the best video on computer chess in human history. I applaud you sir.

[@ari_anon2228]

i think i’d get much better at chess too if i had a russian man telling me “i don’t think you’re on the right track” when i make a wrong move edit: azerbaijani man but u get what i mean

[@woldemunster9244]

Everything is better with Russian mentor in your head. :D

[@EinFelsbrocken]

*loses queen* "Why are you not focussing; suka!"

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

Kasparov-sense(tm)

[@WayneRosePeachMilk]

Luckily EA has a product just for you

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

Too bad my russian dad applies this teaching method not only to chess but also anything else

[@YourTypicalMental]

It has to be stressed. Back in the mid nineties, the PC was still a mind blowing revolutionary idea, the internet was this hazy, strange program only accessible on your parent's computer at work and on the school computers. The thought of a computer beating a human being at chess was equal parts crazy and scary. That being said, hearing the whole story for the first time recontextualizes everything to me. IBM played dirty in order to beat Kasparov, tarnishing the work and legacy of Deep Blue's creators in the process.

[@jxtapose]

@Cameron IBM cared more about the economic side of beating the chess grand master than the technological achievement that Deep Blue really is. IBM provided poor conditions to both Kasparov which was not in his best intererst. IBM didn't provide the DB's private chess plays for Gary to analyze while his games were always public for anyone and the reluctance of IBM to publish any data about DB were very suspicious.

[@jxtapose]

@D B the intentions were totally okay, hell it's the reason the team were able to build a machine but they had not reason to play dirty while they could've sacrificed some time to let the match play out for real

[@de4dbutdre4ming]

@D B lmao corporations should just be allowed to cheat and exploit systems for money huh

[@eduardodiaz9942]

@D B YEah, corporations getting filthy rich is more important than anything, it seems. Those boots must be mighty tasty if you lick them with such aplomb.

[@PUNCHEDPUNCHEDPUNCHED]

Imagine how much people at the time would shit their pants if they fiddle with our phones' chess apps and see the AI not be materialistic

[@KXFOX]

I have never heard of your channel until today and I've been on KZbin since day 1. This was an excellent video and really brought back my urge to play chess again and my love for computer science. Thank you so much for your hard work. Keep it coming.

[@michaelmccloskey8718]

Your videos are my favorite on KZbin. Always excited to see a new video from you. I think the Henry Darger video is my favorite but they're all so good. Thank you for your content!

[@NightmareOfSolomonShira04]

The art really made me understand how fucking terrified Kasparov was when he said that Deep Blue transformed from an AI enemy into a black hole that simply absorbed his entire ability to process thoughts.

[@TheOzumat]

I loved the "stands". Made me feel good about being human. So far only humans can think up something this cool :D

[@inferno1217]

@@TheOzumat stands?

[@JamesChessman]

@Genowave yeah chess is all psychology... I haven’t played irl for a while (COVID mess so nobody’s socializing) but a live match is actually thrilling lol... I don’t know if people think of it but chess is a WAR simulation so it’s very exciting lol. It’s two people battling their intelligence, imagination, their experience/ learned knowledge, and even the psychology of how they act: confident or not, intimidating, struggling etc. One mind vs the other, and the outcome validates the winner’s intelligence /abilities, over the other. Actually it’s one reason that the Deep Blue saga is so fascinating because it ended up destroying Kasparov’s confidence and completely disoriented him, including his distractions of obsessing over his thoughts of IBM cheating, and wondering who he was even playing against, a computer or a cheating group of people who were feeding moves to Blue. Plus he was trying play-styles that were awkward for him... the psychology of it all really destroyed him toward the end...

[@maxwellermeav4769]

@Rock Golem where did you hear that. Also I don't think movies were athing back in the year 1012.

[@unknownlegend6598]

In the grand scale of things, the effects of this whole thing weren't terrible. Hsu and Garry still had successful careers afterwards, and the Deep Blue matches didn't significantly change the game of chess. But it still feels a lot like a tragedy... I don't know, there's something very sad about Deep Blue being worked on so diligently for so long, only to be retired the instant it creates sufficient profit for IBM to justify its investment. And the poor showmanship of IBM during the 2nd set of games. And even the attitudes of the public about it being a "man vs. machine" thing. It never was; the machine couldn't think for itself. It was chess grandmaster vs. team of programmers with no chess background. Which is still a brilliant and interesting matchup, I just think framing it as some dramatic sci-fi duel cheapens it all.

[@alexjackson9527]

"It made a move that surprised everyone in attendance" *Deep Blue does a backflip*

[@TCM464]

In Deep Blue's logs: "Qe3 d5 LOL get rekt"

[@avalus6]

...snaps Kasparov's neck and wins the game.

[@valerius8985]

Deep blue: pulls out sword

[@neilc.438]

I think the most surprising move would be if Deep Blue refused to play

[@dylanogg347]

@@neilc.438 That'd make sense. After all; "The only winning move, is not to play."

[@Based_Department]

It's crazy how interesting Fredrik can be make any subject. I've never had an interest in chess or wine poisonings, but his incredible research, wonderful writing and excellent use of music and pacing makes any video worth a watch. What a journey this was.

[@Masterzegan]

I've got to say this video encapsulates my favorite thing about your channel and what so unique about it. A lot of other channels intentionally aim for dark things and you've hit on some rajneeshpuram and plague doctors for example but you never make that a key facet because you recognize that there are so many more things that contain rabbit holes just as valid. You go above and beyond on your research and present it in a way that is simply perfect. The smallest mistake is corrected once it comes to your knowledge I have to imagine it's exhausting I hope this isn't your magnum opus because I think you have a lot more stories to tell fascinations that you will make a career out of diving into I want this to be a marker for you mostly to remember what a beautiful idea you have made popular as you take us all down the rabbit hole again.

[@stephenh5166]

To me the saddest part is that it seems that the two adversaries had a deep mutual respect for one another, but the circumstances of the event so greatly tarnished the experience that a similar test of man vs machine could never be repeated.

[@Zharque]

Watch the AlphaGo documentary.

[@superj1e2z6]

2 hours after... Ah yes, the Sicilian, Spanish Torture, King's Pawn and more, I am now a grand master.

[@HungerGamesFan88]

Wait is it "Spanish torture" or "Spanish torcher"? I thought torcher, like burning crops and salting the fields so nobody can use them

[@xplinux22]

@@HungerGamesFan88 It's Spanish Torture. See the colloquial synonyms for the Ruy Lopez chess opening below. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruy_Lopez

[@garyhost1830]

Grand master. If only we could be the sole defender of humanity against the scourge of the machines....grandiose much

[@ganglians]

Torture. Probably a reference to the Spanish Inquisition

[@k.morningstar7983]

Watched all of *The Queen's Gambit*, all I know is the Sicilian is an aggressive strategy, so I pictured my girl going magical girl transformation whenever she decimated all those bois

[@jeremiahmcpadden4386]

Just a wonderful essay/documentary. I am particularly impressed by how elegantly you manage to describe the rules of chess, as well as strategic ideas like fianchetto. Very accessible and worthwhile video.

[@TBleader]

I love you Fredrik Knudsen, keep up the fantastic work. Really looking forward to more of your amazing videos. Excellent.

[@israelcruz7180]

As someone who plays a lot of Chess I must say you did a really good job at explaining the games where it's still interesting for good chess players, but approachable enough for those who don't understand the game.

[@imaginaryboy2000]

As someone who plays no chess I must say you did an exceptional job at keeping the play-by-play understandable while still keeping the commentary and visuals active enough to keep the attention on the video.

[@ghostoflazlo]

Avatar checks out

[@Gantradies]

i think that legitimately might be Fred's greatest talent, even beyond his exceptional research and his voice work- a seemingly intuitive knack to explain, describe even the most esoteric or complex/arcane things to an audience who often have little to no knowledge without dumbing down/oversimplifying

[@jazzdirt]

"You have to change your project name" "Why?!" "Because people are idiots.."

[@Micropterus06]

IMB's nickname is "Big Blue" or Irritable Bowel Movement

[@g.sergiusfidenas6650]

Pretty much.

[@prismstudios001]

IBM will never stand for anything else for me.

[@willphillips2522]

Same thing with KZbin Red

[@macalvand]

@Emmanuel Goldstein Rent-free

[@AshleyLovesTheLord]

I’ve never felt so excited and interested in a chess game until this video. You had my full attention! I immediately subscribed to this channel! You have a gift for story telling! You even made chess exciting and interesting! Amazing!

[@gingeas]

the change in music at 1:32:50 was what really sold this part of the video (go back 10 seconds further if you want to experience the frisson)

[@joea1007]

At 1:27:00 when I read this, thanks for the heads up

[@KittyQuixotic]

Initially I was rooting for the computer, but after IBM started being assholes about it I switched entirely to just feeling bad for Garry.

[@sportsjefe]

A lot of the opinion you will hear about the match is heavily influenced by the person's opinion of Kasparov himself. Because if you think he's just being a sore loser you're much less likely to hear his points.

[@xdeathcon]

Same. When you win because you demoralized the opponent in a computer vs human match, did you really win?

[@firejuggler31]

Wasn’t really man vs machine. More like man vs corporation.

[@KittyQuixotic]

Them manipulating him for stock value was pretty sick. If it had been for the sake of scientific process that'd be one thing, but if they'd really wanted that, they'd have him playing at his best.

[@deifiedtitan]

Nah, Garry was a warrior that died on his feet. When you're the best you can only go on so long before you start looking to be tested, if not outright beaten.

[@ringkunmori]

As much as it seems impressive how Deep Blue performs, the fact it only was able to keep up with Kasparov with hardware of that size really puts into perspective how efficient the human mind is at its peak.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

It's not often that I get a chance to talk about this, so here goes; would you rather someone read your mind, or copied all the data on your phone?

[@jeevithrai7994]

@@dashiellgillingham4579 the latter is preferable.

[@eliasredlich3425]

@@dashiellgillingham4579 copy all the data on my phone because I literally only use it to contact people and nothing else

[@MasterWilliam770]

This was in 1996. This argument isn't really relative today, as we're nearly eclipsed by AI capabilities on standard hardware.

[@JRexRegis]

@@dashiellgillingham4579 100% the latter. My phone contains personal stuff, yes, but my mind contains the culmination of my entire existence. It's mine and mine alone, even in a world that becomes more and more surveiled and controlled.

[@lynnehuff9659]

This is my favorite "Down The Rabbit Hole". Thank you Fredrik for your presentation of this thrilling video. Chess is admittedly beyond me, but that doesn't matter.

[@justindurand9110]

This was amazing! I vaguely remember this from when I was young. To hear the in depth story now was very interesting. Great documentary!

[@DrMatthewPhilippsMD]

At some point the calculations the computers could do per second just started to sound like Dragon Ball z power levels

[@WolfCoder]

And about just as meaningful

[@HarpsiFizz]

This isn't even Deep Blue's final form.

[@IIDEADBIRDII]

It hasn't even hit ssg yet

[@lydierayn]

@@IIDEADBIRDII Supa Saiyajin Goddo Supa Sayajin Blue Evolution

[@Solitaryparadise99]

I had the exact same thought lmao, they were never satisfied with it "And this, is to go even further beyond"

[@Avossk]

Much respect to Kasparov, they really did the man dirty in that final match.

[@DixieSchizo]

The whole squad is pulling up to the comment sectiob

[@davidegaruti2582]

i mean kasparov was a badass : he had the highest winstreak in the history of chess , he had the highest ELO , played evenly against deep blue ( winning the first match ) , defeated a squad of 58000 men in a corrspondance chess match , and generaly speaking i respect him a lot more than the deep blue team in retrospect ...

[@cristifilip1626]

@@davidegaruti2582 eh, i'd say i respect the deep blue team as well, what i don't respect is IBM and what they did. Mind you, i understand the driving force for profit, i might have done the same in their position, but i hate what they did because i'm more interested to see the proper point when a machine beat a human. and by this i mean having the same disadvantages as one, their matches being fully public. Sure, now we know a computer chess program can probably beat any human on earth at it, but i was truly interested in when that tipping point was properly achieved.

[@verhvouvim1518]

@@davidegaruti2582 Kasparov is still an absolute legend indeed and will forever prove more famous and acclaimed than IBM as long as chess is concerned

[@mattmcdonough3282]

Look at it this way. IBM could only defeat Kasparov if they played dirty, losing by a point deficit doesn't sound harsh.

[@elka6741]

These are the KZbin videos I love the most!!! I am really into watching „long“ videos :) I enjoyed every minute! Great job!

[@timsarchery]

Mate I love this you and your amazing team put this together very well had me hooked thankyou

[@juanjuri6127]

What if You were the last bastion of hope of a beleaguered humankind against the ever-encroaching advance of their new robotic overlords But your mom said "SHUT UP!"

[@epicsoldier999]

I want to like the comment ,but it's at 420.

[@revolug]

It was honestly really sad seeing the dreams of Feng-Hsiung being undermined by IBM in order to push their own narrative and boost their stocks. You can tell he felt bad for the severe disadvantage that was given to Kasparov, and didn't like how IBM turned it from his biggest goal into their best marketing opportunity. The reason the story seems so poetic is that IBM manufactured it to be that way. edit: what the hell did this thread turn into

[@Arrakiz666]

It's almost like there was a driving ideology moving IBM at play here... But yeah, it's really sad, what could have actually been a poignant test of human willpower and skill became a circus built solely to raise one company's profits. We will never know if Kasparov could have actually defeated Deep Blue at its full capability, because IBM was never interested in that.

[@Delicioushashbrowns]

IBM could have been the leader of AI today as well as AI technology. Well, they've missed a ton of other opportunities, too. But IBM still makes a lot of money, I guess.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@Mako Cat Corporations ruin everything Part #895823

[@soumaiseu2470]

@Mako Cat the building of the super computer itself only happened because of capitalism, do you think IBM was interested in funding some chinese guy's computer because they were interested in advancing computer chess? What about IBM funding Kasparov projects and his stuff? In the end everyone ended up winning

[@justcommenting255]

@Reno Thomas Obviously there are many, many worse things going on, but to give something shitty essentially a free pass because it's not as bad isn't any more productive. You mention working towards breeding innovation, but that's exactly what IBM crushed by stacking the deck in their favor. Had they played in good faith without tormenting Kasparov physically and mentally, they would have been able to pursue more in the name of AI and computing in general. Kasparov was a proponent of the technology and was a willing public figure for them. Short term greed led them to miss out on opportunity for innovation and that's a critique of Capitalism in your own words.

[@zsoltarkossy7724]

Fantastic documentary, probably one of the most enjoyable on Kasparov vs Deep Blue. Congrats!

[@peachcreep221]

I am so happy that I stumbled across this video it is so well made and the tension just sucks you in any way amazing video keep up the good work.

[@Marcus_Halberstram]

_Deep Thought_ "It's too close to Deep Throat!" _renames to Balls Deep_

[@thatoneguy9582]

Blues Deep

[@carmenmoon3076]

Deep blue

[@jimbobbyrnes]

in spy movies/tv shows when someone plays a "deep throat" character it has to be played by a guy because no self respecting movie would call a girl "deep throat" and get away with it.

[@doctorsnakeeater1997]

Blue Balls

[@GhostDrummer]

@@jimbobbyrnes Naked Gun should have used this code name

[@Zzzxx2]

Bro those "Chess personality" Paintings look like bosses from Final Fantasy lmao

[@SolstaceWinters]

Note to self: narrate my movements in Final Fantasy Tactics in chess terms. "Ramza to h6, takes goblin". I also feel if I wasn't as tired as I am after staying up way later than I should've to watch a documentary about chess, I could make a halfway decent Hollow Knight "Pale King" reference, but yeah. You could slap "Omega Weapon" or "Ultima Weapon" on one of those Chess Personalities and I'd say "yeah that's about right."

[@darcyjohnson6771]

I rewatch this documentary over and over. I love this creators style and will listen to anything he researches and creates ❤️. Thank you

[@smrtguy6479]

This is a very well produced video. Super in depth analysis of this event and I thoroughly enjoyed it. This and the wine poisoning video's are both incredibly interesting. Thank you for all you do.

[@zazikikomo7796]

One thing I loved about Kasparov was how, in a way, he was playing against the programmers rather than the program.

[@greenthumb9406]

He knew that the programmers had their distinct play style, he knew to watch for it. Which speaking how many programmers there were he would play against makes it even more insane.

[@memegazer]

Actually, that was his mistake I think in the rematch. Modern evaluations of the games showed that there were winning chances for Kasparov in the rematch games. But he played reserved "anti-computer" chess...or against the programming...instead of trusting his gut. I honestly believe if that had not been the case that Kasparov could have defended human dominance in chess a second time around.

[@Caddicarus]

Sure, I’ve got 2 hours to learn about the history of computer chess

[@FabulousKiljoy]

You have good taste, Caddy

[@PeterGriffin11]

How does this comment only have 2 repliese?

[@zachariah74]

Oh hi Caddy

[@-0rbital-]

Me too, apparently.

[@Andreas-pv5in]

Love your videos Caddicarus

[@FieldMarshallNey]

This is amazing, thank you so much. Watching it yet again

[@datensaft]

What a fantastic documentary, i just wanted to check out the first couple of minutes and suddenly 2 hours had passed. Very insightful AND entertaining! 10/10

[@ijneb1248]

Kasparov's mom was the best character in the whole story, she was out there supporting her kid but quick to call him out on his BS

[@thekeyandthegate4093]

She passed away a few months ago, sadly. RIP.

[@jefferysterner]

That's how you create a champion

[@garrysekelli6776]

If only the first game with the guy and the comp had been recorded.

[@HenryCasillas]

🍪

[@doublesoul862]

It's sad hearing about how a passionate battle between two enthusiastic parties devolved into a tainted, profit driven, antagonistic rivalry. IBM's treatment of Kasparov and the lack of a common passion for chess itself made the later parts of this story depressing.

[@persona83]

That's usually what big companies do.

[@dustifilms]

IBM participated in doing logistics during the holocaust. They will do anything for a buck

[@midorifox]

IBM is a terrible company, even today. Nothing surprising, really. Just sad

[@wanderingthewastes6159]

Computer parts don't pay for themselves. Hsu had all the opportunity to decline IBM's offer, but he didn't because they had the resources to, as Knudsen put it, "build the ultimate chess machine" (not to mention being able to contact Kasparov and guarantee the matches would take place), something they would have never given him the tools to had they not seen something for themselves in the whole ordeal. Still, the way they conducted the affair was shameful, this was not the way a computer should have defeated the world champion (though one must note such shenanigans are not unheard of in the world of high level chess).

[@psmith9789]

No. Kzsparov allowed IBM to mistreat him.

[@bestiewolfsroadto200subs9]

You put on a heck of a presentation. That chess match at 53:00 was way more exciting than I thought it would be. You got me wanting to buy a chess board.

[@TheCachex]

this video was my first introduction to your channel just yesterday..it didn't take long at all for me to consider myself a fan, and i only wish i had discovered it sooner (: thanks for your hard work!

[@Sam-for-Dyce]

"It no longer felt like a computer. It felt like playing against a black hole. And now it was sucking him in..." An incidentally fitting quote, for this episode AND the series. Well done, Fredrik!

[@CodyTaylor115]

But what apt way of putting it that makes total sense. You couldn't do anything but play into this strategy that is foreign and uncomfortable. Any ounce of effort you put into playing how to feel comfortable is instantly crushed. I completely see how mentally taxing that would be

[@hariman7727]

That's the sort of feeling you get when either playing against someone vastly superior... or in this case, playing against someone with a team backing them up, and stuck with a handicap.

[@ProgrammerInProgress]

That was definitely one of the best parts of the video, Fred did a great job at describing the stress and mental anguish Kasparov was under at that moment.

[@psyc840]

He says it like he’s playing against some eldritch monstrosity, which I suppose is what a computer playing like a human would be to a chess player.

[@themightyquinn1343]

I’ve always heard the story of Deep Blue and how it was a monumental achievement in computing, how it was the first computer to beat a grand master. I never heard any of the shady, psychological side where they refused to give Kasparov certain information, that was fascinating to hear.

[@Sigismund697]

IBM truly saw it as a battle when they saw the potential for publicity DB was and they did what anyone on a battle would do, go for the jugular and give them no quarter

[@astrospect]

This is probably one of my favorite videos on the internet. Quality from top to bottom.