Deep in History - A Convert Looks Back at the Church of England - Fr. Ray Ryland

[@danieljaghab2664]

I grew up Greek Orthodox and I became a Catholic three years ago. The Church need more priests like this who charitably points out the errors of the Eastern Orthodox Churches. To many Catholics think that “they are fine where they’re at”

[@loganw1232]

Agreed

[@rony922]

I'm Catholic from Pakistan....! I love your video, it help to defend my faith

[@waryradhaiwary2239]

Ronald Joseph keep up your faith.......n let rosary be the main weapon as our witness.........may the Good Lord Jesus Christ bless u n your family

[@peterdarley5161]

Dear Ronald Joseph, Praise God. You are so blessed.

[@racheldavin7763]

God bless you, my brother. Keep strong!

[@Meezermagic]

I really enjoy Fr Ray's talks very much. They are one of the pleasures of modern technology.

[@hazchemel]

wow, amazing intellectual and personal honesty; he says what we all know to be true

[@peterdarley5161]

Superb! Well presented. Thank you. Mr and Mrs Darley We were Received into the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church on 16th June 2019. Great Britain SSPX

[@Meezermagic]

About the different views of greeting. Personally, I like to get to church early, kneel down and prepare to pray the Mass. I need the reverent silence to be able to focus on God. People chattering annoys me because they are a distraction. Once Mass is over, I am happy to be social and friendly outside the church. I wouldn't want to socialise in the church after Mass because a lot of people stay praying in the pews and I would not want to disturb them. That would not be loving my neighbour as myself.

[@kaykay3585]

Meezermagic um...what about the lost soul who desperately needs a smile hug or hello in your church. The Bible says to be friendly in the church and be kind to strangers. The Catholics who have the REAL PRESENCE of Christ are cold selfish and unwelcoming. How can this be???

[@LostArchivist]

If you can then do so if it helps you. If however, the moral thing to do does not allow you that, then you must put the other before yourself. Spiritual alms are just as vital as the physical ones.

[@adamhovey407]

Some places, it would be nice if someone introduced themselves to us after Mass...I've done that with people, I'm not sure why so many other Catholics are bad at it.

[@acortes7771]

You're absolutely right and it is very sad! Unfortunately, a lot of this has to do with many cradle Catholics (and I use to be like this)feeling the obligation of Sunday Mass being a burden. Those of us who are cradle Catholics will just go through the motions and the Mass becomes rote and dead in faith. Also, a lot of it has to do with bad catechesis, low levels of Catholic and Public school education. The fact that many Catholics came from parents, grandparents, and great grandparents that had a low level of education contributes to this. And by all means, this of course is not everyone and definitely not the case in every parish or Catholic and Public schools but it is the majority. I hope this clarifies!:-)

[@dleifroom]

It's not because of low levels of education as it happens with those who have high levels of education as well. I try to be friendly but it all depends on who you try to be friendly with - some respond well (usually priests) and some would rather talk with their own kind. I don't know the reason and little can be done about it as even when the priest tells the congregation to be friendly they aren't.

[@markv1974]

Kinda weird. Here in the philippines we make mano po or ask for blessing udring the sign of peace. Then on christmas we have hot drinks outside the church after mass. Then we have meetings. Youth camps, etc. we have teen groups etc. after church services is when we go to the elders and old ladies and talk to them. I lived away from my grandparents so i had a surrogate grandma who i met in church. Sadly she died 2 years ago... my mom even left me in her house for a day.. she showed me love a lot. Mass is never the same after she passed away. Her daughter gave me her st. Benedicts ring after she passed away.

[@johnjon1823]

With regard to the early-on statement about Catholics needing to learn to be welcoming - basically effusive- as a life-long Catholic I like being anonymous in any parish I drop in on I feel zero need to be greeted or to greet anyone else - further I never feel estranged by any people since all are Catholic if there is any estrangement it is when the mass is misused - the mass itself is the touchstone - for me it is more than enough to be at mass and that unity is all the greeting I need or want. In my experience it seems former Protestants are all about touchy-feely stuff because most of their former parishes are so tiny that everyone has to kick in all kinds of bucks or they will close due to lack of funds. Catholic parishes by their nature are usually much larger than many Protestant congregations - mega church places excepted - but those have their own popes - even if they teach "I have no answer" - so let me say that one of my favorite things is NOT being greeted by strangers as though it matters to them or anyone else- yuck. I love the fact that no matter where I go to mass those who are there are there to worship God via the mass - that is the greeting for me and for zillions of other guys who have been Catholic for generations. I detest the phony greeting crap. To me every priest is basically interchangeable - even the whack -jobs can administer the sacraments - quality and personality is another matter.

[@bryanfillups1167]

Funny you mention this as my local Priest just talked about this also he even mentioned it is Protestant in nature.

[@tessa7413]

John jon I feel same way, but I am kind of an introvert in nature, so that's probably why. There are a lot of people with different personalities who do feel the need to be warmly welcomed, and consistently acknowledged though...so people like that tend to feel more of a sense of belonging in certain Protestant sects that are more social. But then, there are many that sects that "love-bomb" their new members... but then the attention gradually wears off, and then eventually the person feels neglected & under-appreciated. I think a lot of people who have the desire to constantly feel appreciated by their congregations end up "church-hopping."

[@johnjon1823]

Maybe it has to do with family size. When I was a kid there were a bunch of us and while love was there, you were not the center of the universe. There were others that also mattered just as much. Today with one or two kids it is all about being a taxi etc. When I was young if you wanted extra curricular school activities you found your own way there, and don't hold your breath waiting for your parents to be at that school play. The world did not center around any particular kid. Maybe your birthday or graduation, but that was it. I don't feel this was out of the norm. Larger families tended to have one beat up car and it did not exist for your travel pleasure. The girls got braces, the boys not. That kind of thing. Nobody felt slighted or left out you were part of the tribe. Same at church. Today I fell sorry when there are only two children in a family, they are missing a glorious thing in sharing a bed room or one bath for a bunch of people. It was very good to experience. In my old neighborhood we felt sorry when they didn't have at least 4 kids, and as I look back as far as I can recall the small families with one maybe two kids all were Protestant families; they always seemed kind of hollow to me. I always found the Dick Van Dyke show kind of creepy because of the one kid. The kid was odd anyway. I feel sorry for the third kid these days, he or she is usually preceded by either two male children or two female, and the third kid only exists to "get a boy" or "get a girl" - it's sick, usually.

[@adamhovey407]

Please capitalise Mass, as it is a proper noun.

[@justcause9575]

John jon the mass is a celebration of the new covenant and part of the new covenant is to obey Jesus when he said love all as I have loved you; he even went further and said love even your enemies; and that those who are not with him are against him. You seem to only focus on yourself forgetting that to be Christian is to be like Christ who loves all even his enemies, Jesus did not hide in the temple praying (and he did plenty of praying) he was there to greet and help the sick and provide wisdom and love to all; we cannot be Christians and true imitators of Christ if we fail in that. The mass also gives us his body and blood to strengthen us in obeying the covenant; no point in it all if you do nothing with your gifts (as pointed out by Jesus in the parable of the coin and servant). Obedience requires that you step outside of yourself and love your brothers and sisters (not ignore them and just go through the motions at mass). I take my time to help the old and new at mass. I also pray actively for each face I see as we are saved as a church and we are as a church the body of Christ: a true Christian is seen by others as Christ in their lives, get out and be Christ to your brothers and sisters, do not ignore them (Jesus: those who are not with me are against me).

[@johncox2284]

I'm Orthodox. We came from the same.place and some would add that the Western Church was the first to split because of the adoption of the Filioque clause in the creed without the consensus of the 4 other patriarchates. It boils down to historical events as well but the idea that the Orthodox Church is a reconstructionist church is false.

[@atrifle8364]

The idea that the Catholic Church spilt off from them is a comfort that the Orthodox gives themselves, but it's patent falsehood. For many of the Eastern Orthodox churches, there is a corresponding rite that never left communion. The primacy of Rome was accepted until the 6th century by all churches. Ultimately the Filoque is inside theological baseball meant to cover over Christians preferring nationalist churches and divorces over the embarrassment of dealing with Rome./shrug

[@TruthHasSpoken]

His voice sounds like Peter Kreeft.

[@PInk77W1]

I watch as many anti catholic videos as I can. They all say how bad the popes were, but they never say how bad King David was? They never say how bad Judas was, they never say how bad St Paul was? Another thing about anti Catholic videos, they never say how their church didn’t exist in the time of the bad popes. LoL.

[@josephcasley7979]

The major reason I enjoy the Catholic church is precisely because of the in-built anonymity. We go there for sacramental, not sociological reasons. In fact, I abhor the excitement acted by total strangers in the so called 'welcoming' churches. Let the tradition remain. A Catholic has no reason to be chummy with his fellow Catholics and not so with others. Evangelization is how we live during the week, not how we act at Church.

[@tessa7413]

Joseph Casley yes, and usually there are opportunities outside of the Mass for socializing & getting to know one another - coffee & donuts after mass (usually at least once a month), Bible study groups, certain classes & retreats parish members can sign up to attend, volunteering opportunities, soup suppers, fish fries, fundraisers, pilgrimages, etc. etc.

[@adamhovey407]

You do realise we are saved as part of a communnity? To say otherwise (and this is not my opinion, it's the Church's teaching) is heresy.

[@justcause9575]

Joseph Casley the irony in your statement is unfortunate. The very reason why we go to mass is to celebrate the new covenant which includes obeying what Jesus commanded: to love others as He has loved us, to love even our enemies; reinforced by Jesus saying that those who are not with me are against me. During mass we also renew our baptism vows to obey God and receive the body and blood of Jesus to give us the strength to obey his covenant. The church which are your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ is the body of Christ to ignore them is to ignore the Christ and holy spirt in them. To love them and greet them with real love is not " sociological" it is obedience to the covenant we keep professing at Mass. This people are not "strangers" to be ignored, you have a duty to be Christ to them; the term Christian means imitators of Christ as we become temples due to the dwelling of the Holy Spirit in us and the presence of the body and blood of Christ in our bodies too. Christ greeted and love all even the outcasts. How can you take his body and blood and not do the same, you are a temple of the lord as he dwells in you and in your fellow Christians, step outside of your self as Saint Paul stated "it is no longer I that live but Christ." God bless.

[@Charity-vm4bt]

Joseph Casley Catholics are communal. We all know each other. A Catholic can go anywhere in the country and have instant community.

[@kaykay3585]

Love one another AS I HAVE LOVED YOU BY THIS WILL THY KNOW YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES IF YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER. the word of the Lord he didn't say.. practice anonymity with one another. SMH. Be friendly and welcoming in the Catholic Church PLEASE!!!!

[@josephat8334]

Some people make you think you should have been a convert.

[@bingroxas4700]

Catholic church is the true church founded by Jesus and the rest are false church founded by men..

[@Mark_Dyer1]

The Roman Catholic - and all organised denominations - are far more about CHURCHianity, than CHRISTianity. More about 'cult' and 'power' (often of males; but, increasingly of women!). Whilst not a 'member' of any denomination, I am part of the 'Church'; but have had to spend a lifetime being outside of its 'consolations'.......THANK THE LORD!

[@nenabunena]

So you think Jesus is cultish and you've just spit on Him? You don't seem very Christ - Ian to me since you loathe Him and His teachings so much

[@popev3887]

Dyer, you need an enema.

[@Mark_Dyer1]

@@popev3887 That's the 'name-calling' over. And your argument against mine is........? As for 'nenbunena' just above your comment, my argument is that it is not belief in Jesus of Nazareth which is 'cultish'; but that CHURCHianity is. As the followers of Jesus of Nazareth, we need to rid ourselves of the "professional CHURCHians" we call clergy, or priests. Christians must become 'radicalised': and - unlike Muslims who are 'radicalised' - a 'radicalised' Christian would be GOOD for the Planet, and humanity. The CLERGY have entirely failed 'the saints' and Christ. They have declared that THEY are the 'Church' and that THEY 'own' the churches; so that THEY are able to lock 'the saints' out of them. Thus we need to look afresh at the first century of Christian existence, and study our Christology (what the Church has taught about Jesus of Nazareth) in order to return to that awesome figure, who we confess as God incarnate.

[@phil4v8]

Joseph Casley please talk to your priest or listen to Catholic radio. You are going to church out of routine. You seem not to be listening at mass. You need to listen and hear...I say this with all due respect. Take a copy of your comment and share with your priest or a sister. Go visit a monastery and share your comment....God bless you

[@ThruTheUnknown]

They went to Peter and then a council? No, they NEVER WENT to PETER ALONE. Edit: Also Paul took Peter aside in Antioch. Apostolic brothers could correct brothers no matter who they were, until the catholic church via Pope became too proud.

[@atrifle8364]

You can still correct a Pope to this day, if he errors on issues outside of dogma. Just be respectful. What you can't do though is pretend Peter never existed or doesn't matter.

[@davidjenkins9833]

Stiperstones

[@phil4v8]

Joseph and John really!!! Again why do you go to church? So it's inconvenient to be bit friendly or kind or acknowledge another person!!! God help us.

[@phil4v8]

Dear Mary WHY are you so upset. You don't have to believe. Try not to judge all by some...But better yet just be at peace.

[@briandelaney9710]

He is plain wrong about Eastern Orthodoxy

[@notthatkindofanglican]

He's wrong about several points. And illogical about some of his anecdotal arguements.

[@atrifle8364]

He's correct on all of it. It's just that American Protestants trying to escape dealing with Catholicism think they have found an "out" in the Orthodox.