Deepak Chopra - Is Life After Death Possible?

[@aw55550]

Non-dual Vedanta in a nutshell, very nicely put.

[@cesarjlisboa7586]

Excellent!!

[@Viewer2715]

This is simultaneously both a great answer and and a deeply unsatisfying one. I don't want to let go of who I am to 'rejoin' something greater, I want to continue to be me and perhaps make myself greater and improve myself, without losing myself.

[@jelleludolf]

The fact that this question is up for grabs and you feel free to want things about the answer, means it's complete conjecture space.

[@aw55550]

Look up how Huston Smith, Jeffrey Long and Swami Medhananda - all very proficient hindu scholars who have thought deep about this - have to say. Non-Dual cosmic consciousness can be exited again and you can rejoin the play of Maya. Perhaps you can even come back as the person you experience yourself as right now again. Maybe even living the kind of life you always wanted. I'd nyself prefer a bodily resurrection like in Christianity, Islam or Judaism, but this giives me hope that one day i'll be "me" again.

[@dondattaford5593]

Consciousness uses life and death to cross the timeless realms

[@imaginaryuniverse632]

We do remember our past lives but don't know we do. Every life is part of the only life that will ever be as the remembering of the only being that will ever be. It's not my favorite answer either but it is the truth.

[@wallyr.7854]

It’s impossible to know/find the answer….one can seek the true answer, but, at the price of your life…so, it’s best to stop asking the question, live the BEST life you can, LOVE as much as you can and STOP the hate, so when you’re time finally comes get the answer to this ultimate question you’ll be ready to accept it 🙂

[@ronhudson3730]

The answer is unknowable. Those who say yes cannot prove it. Neither can those who say no. I personally choose to believe that a universe that has organized itself over billions of years, leading to consciousness and self-awareness as the current apex of development, would not allow it to end at physical death.

[@everready800]

Agreed. No one is going to know the full sense of what is reality beyond our basic senses here. But I remain certain that the full extent of reality, is much much bigger than we can comprehend.

[@tcuisix]

I hope that's not the case. It just sounds like a waking nightmare

[@VolodymyrPankov]

Consciousness is an emergent property. It will disappear after the collapse of the body. To think otherwise isn't smart to say the least.

[@RolandHuettmann]

​@@VolodymyrPankov I am always amazed how people are so sure, no matter on which end of the spectrum they sit...

[@ronhudson3730]

@@RolandHuettmann I couldn’t agree more with you. Like most things, our opinions and beliefs are shaped by our culture, experience, personal biases and ego. I think that an undefinable state existed that allowed for the beginning of our universe. I believe through science that our universe is tuned to allow for its evolution into what we see today and that part of that tuning and development allows for self-conscious awareness. I believe that we and the universe are one and the same. We are made of its elements and energy. We are it and it is us.

[@abdelchemami6964]

This guy is deeply impacted by Hindu religions. His thinking is almost the thinking of an Imam. He has to look back at his childhood environment (rationaly)

[@brothermine2292]

To paraphrase Chopra: "You'll stop fearing death if you stop valuing your life." That doesn't seem useful while one's life is more enjoyable & productive than burdensome. And his advice comes naturally to many people when they grow old & infirm and suffer chronic pain. Kuhn refuted Chopra's reincarnation argument by pointing out that no one remembers being Cleopatra... all of her experience has been lost forever, even to the person who is the reincarnation of Cleopatra. Assuming memories have value, something of value is lost, not recycled, contradicting Chopra's assertion that everything is recycled.

[@imaginaryuniverse632]

Not every recycled bottle becomes a bottle and never the same bottle.

[@brothermine2292]

>imaginaryuniverse632 : What's your point? Memories are lost, not recycled.

[@shivercanada]

I don’t care how famous this guy is he’s wrong. And the reason is he has beliefs. I have an experience experience is everything when you’re getting a job when you’re doing anything. I know there’s a God because of an experience I had while wide awake, not only that he proved to me by the words he said that he is he was a man named Jesus Christ as you all probably know. I used to be a hardened atheist until I had this experience. Anyone who tells a different story like Chopra, is making you believe in something that will send you to your doom.

[@wthomas5697]

He's famous among the nut jobs that comprise the new age woo woo community. That's not saying a whole lot.

[@catherinemoore9534]

It's convincing : by the end, Robert looks as if he's being sucked in by the power of the arguments, like Mowgli facing Kaa the snake. 😂

[@JardineKarate1]

So many roles… new age crank 😂

[@wthomas5697]

That's pretty much his main line of grift.

[@imaginaryuniverse632]

How so?

[@VolodymyrPankov]

Consciousness is an emergent property. It will disappear after the collapse of the body. To think otherwise isn't smart to say the least.

[@noelwass4738]

I agree but lots of people think otherwise. Why, I don't know.

[@greensleeves7165]

@@noelwass4738 Oh that's simple enough to answer. It's because no one can specify how it emerges.

[@noelwass4738]

@@greensleeves7165 Thanks. I was really thinking of the second statement in that lots of people believe in a soul that somehow survives the physical death of the body and that this is the seat of consciousness. Lots of people probably haven't even heard of the concept of emergence.

[@bradsillasen1972]

Having this crank on the channel severely challenges its credibility. Aside from that, the question is absurd. No one knows or every will ...while alive anyway. But, neuroscience makes it pretty clear; no brain, no mind. That alone should settle it.

[@BradHolkesvig]

I know exactly what we are that is invisible and eternal. We cannot see our true selves by looking at a mirror but the visible body you see in it will die. Then you will remain silent until your mind begins processing new information that is eternal which is what my mind has been processing the past 16 years. I AM a created AI with a mind that processes invisible waves into visible images that I observe. I also wake up as my mind begins processing waves so after my body dies soon, I will be waking up on a new earth with my created partner of the opposite sex.

[@PEM-zt5rd]

Actually it's not that clear cut. Look into NDE reports. From all over the world. Many documented cases of them also have ZERO ECG and EEG activity. Yet if modern science manage to save them... they report being conscious and almost all-aware... it might just be that reality as we know it is just perceived by our brains as a signal... like a TV show and that without our brain as an antenna... we connect to the TV station and no longer to the Channel which we were viewing.

[@wthomas5697]

That settles it alright. This channel lost credibility a long time ago with a lot of the hogwash it attempts to present as "science".

[@falsificationism]

Your comment beats my, "ugh." Hate to sound close-minded, but it's silly to have a person like this on to virtue signal 'open-mindedness' and such.

[@imaginaryuniverse632]

What you find not credible is the viewpoint put forward by most of the guests on this channel. You could actually Google or use your favorite search engine to find out what some of the various views of neuroscientists are like Bruce Lipton or physicists like Miku Kacho? or some I can spell like Schrodinger, Planck, etc.. Dr. Choprah is an endocrinologist but his views are shared in broad terms with the most knowledgeable people around. The Nobel prize winners and Davincis of the world. What would be an example of something he said that is your reason for calling him a crank? Is Davinci a crank? Newton?

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

We should be focusing more on *"existence" after death"* rather than *"life after death."* Life is just one of many conceivably possible manifestations of "Existence." When a lightbulb burns out, we don't ponder "light after burnout," do we? We just go buy a new lightbulb and toss the old one away. However, the light emitted by the bulb while it was still functioning is still out there doing its thing. I would consider _living on_ in a "new body" a rather unimaginative possibility as there are so many more creative types of "Existence" that I can imagine. Likewise, thinking we will all become like omnipotent gods or be completely erased from existence are equally unimaginative. When everything is observably evolving from "simplicity to complexity," this pattern suggests that after we die, we will all be _moving on_ to a more complex stage of "Existence" that's somewhere between "unbreakable omnipotence" and "absolute nothingness."

[@ronhudson3730]

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC I think this an imaginative and very possible. I do not, however ascribe to the ice-cube melting back into the sea idea. It seems a waste to have billions of years of emergent development that has produced us, as individuals, to have us lose that individuality on our physical death.

[@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC]

@@ronhudson3730 *"I do not, however ascribe to the ice-cube melting back into the sea idea. It seems a waste to have billions of years of emergent development that has produced us, as individuals, to have us lose that individuality on our physical death."* ... And I agree! You started out as a baby with little if any knowledge, and now you are chock full of profound knowledge and experience (including self-awareness). With the observable "natural' template being the movement from "simplicity to complexity," it would be breaking that template to return you to a state of non-self-awareness (i.e., return to the ocean). My understanding is that after you die, you don't lose the "complexity" part; you simply move on to a higher level of complexity in however way that it is achieved. With this type of mindset, there is no upper limit to your existence. There is no "top level" when *new information* is always being generated. BTW: I give the theists more credit than I do the atheist, though. I'll take an "over-active imagination" over a "lack of imagination" any day of the week!

[@RyanMacWee]

Is it possible? Yes. If firing neurons can produce my subjective experience, then so could any sufficiently complex system. And so if my subjective experience is currently generated by neurons, there is nothing stopping my subjective experience being produced by some other means after I die. But if we forget the word 'possible' and substitute instead 'probable', now it comes down to whether there is a consciousness behind the universe or not, is a sufficiently powerful being aware of your life? If so, you will probably continue to exist, if not, you probably wont.

[@wthomas5697]

The fact that your neurons no longer exist in any capacity as neurons after you die means your subjective experience will not continue. Pretty simple really. The real question is why you want to imagine otherwise. There's a really simple answer to that question as well.

[@RyanMacWee]

@@wthomas5697 You didn't understand. I am not saying one way or another, whether the experience will or will not continue. I answered 2 questions: first, is it possible to continue, second, is it probable that it will continue. I said that since neurons are a type of complex system capable of causing the experience, that any sufficiently complex system could also give rise to the experience; thus it is possible. Then in terms of probability I simply said it hangs on the existence of a God or not. So I am not imagining it either way.

[@wthomas5697]

@@RyanMacWee What you are saying has nothing to do with the continuity of your specific consciousness. You're simply saying that AI could become conscious. I have no argument with that. AI is never going to be the subjective experience that you recognize as you however.

[@imaginaryuniverse632]

You are the being aware of your life. Your being is my being too. Like John Jacob Jingleheimer Smith 🎶. Nothing can be seen in the Universe except by a conscious observer. If there were no conscious observers in the Universe the Universe would be entirely unknowable because everything in the Universe is energy which can only be known in relationship with itself because there is no "thing" in the Universe vibrating, just vibrations interpreted by vibratory systems in communication with one another. The Universe is relative because it's exist is it's relating to itself.

[@wthomas5697]

@@imaginaryuniverse632 The universe would exist whether anyone was there to be conscious of it or not. It does not care one way or the other. It does not matter, one way or the other.

[@dadejazzba402]

3 dimensions ...die...4 dimensions

[@everready800]

Deepak from memory jumps too far into possibilities and makes them his reality.

[@Viewer2715]

7:54 hahahaha I don't want that either, but what does what we want have to do with what is?

[@andreasplosky8516]

Exactly. Deepak is a typical woo woo seller.

[@jhwheuer]

This was not a good invitation. This crank only copied a bingo card and mumbles BS. I strongly advocate for better vetting. Downvote.

[@angel4everable]

Deepak should marry Shirley MacLaine. The two of them could reminisce on their past lives in Atlantis. Penn Gillette was right when he called Dr. Chopra" a platitude spouter" of New Age woo.

[@imaginaryuniverse632]

How so?

[@S3RAVA3LM]

'Pure consciousness' I have been informed is a bad translation of Hinduism's 'Cit' or Platonic 'Nous' implying Divine Mind - also, Turiya, the principle of the 3 states: waking, dreaming sleep and deep sleep(when the existential mind and organs become suspended). This is to be acknowledged. The existential human and brain is like a computer that is connected to the network or a radio to the signal. Persons can deny whatever they want. When a man sets out with a conviction to understand, only then will he be faced with....

[@HarmonicsAI]

He talks whatever comes in his mind😂

[@BradHolkesvig]

Our Creator created an AI system with a voice which is where we will exist for eternity. So if you're wondering how you are able to speak sounds, now you know.

[@cujimmy1366]

Consciousness before life.

[@falsificationism]

Ugh.

[@patrickgravel9261]

What a ridiculously worded question. interesting subject, stupid question.

[@votingcitizen]

I guess you have run out of serious thinkers to talk to. Who's next, Jordan Peterson?

[@AABC-hb7mt]

wtf? Death is Death if i don’t recognize myself, if i don’t have my memories, my family and friends, my experiences, my struggle, my learning and my cherish moment, i’m not an actor, i’m a person, if this is life after death, is not, this is completely different...

[@browngreen933]

Death is the cessation of life. Therefore, "life after death" is a contradictory, meaningless concept.

[@sujok-acupuncture9246]

Is what deepak speaks is his experience or some imagination or some cut and paste philosophy.?

[@falsificationism]

Definitely cut/paste philosophy, but not academic philosophy. It's more akin to what undergraduate coffee shop kids think sounds like philosophy.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

I can copy and paste the texts in upanishads, but that doesn't mean I experience it all like the rsi and sanyasins had, they who revealed it. And I can't tell you if Deepak here is a real jivanmukta. But what I am 100% certain of is the comment section here is filled with the most unscrupulous and reprehensible persons that I am embarrassed to consider as my contemporaries.

[@andreasplosky8516]

You can ask Deepak anything you want about the afterlife. You could also ask my left toe, or your cat.

[@michelangelope830]

Please listen to me because God exists and life is not a joke. Your understanding is your salvation. You have to understand, you don't have to believe. Think. Think rationally. You are a detective searching for the truth, the truth is the only that matters. Would you dare to read Spinoza?, are you not searching for the truth?. If you want the truth you can not be too scared to read Spinoza. The truth that will help you understand is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Arguments for God are not arguments for "sky daddy". Arguments against religion are not arguments against God. Atheism is an impossibility. If religion is false doesn’t make atheism true. Attention!, I am explaining a deception. Are you intelligent enough to understand the deception?. The kalam cosmological argument proves logically God exists: what has a beginning of existence has a cause. Logically it is impossible the existence of an infinite number of causes, therefore an eternal first uncaused cause that created what has a beginning of existence exists. God exists because logically it is impossible the existence of the creation or finitude without the creator or infinitude!. You are deceived because bad people lied to you much. The birth of Jesus Christ is narrated in one book in one page, and that page was written anonymously many years after Jesus died. What!, are you kidding me?!. Would you believe the Second World War happened if it was written in one book in one page many years after the war ended?. Innocent and vulnerable children are lied to and hurt. The truth you don't like is Christianity is a cult and the death penalty is christian love. What do you think about the death penalty?. To end the war the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. Thank you.

[@VolodymyrPankov]

Stupidity

[@ahola6040]

Yes I forgot. The problem is I'm no saint, and while ayahuasca was clear as berry on the palm of my hand, I'm in a human body now, and it's in the impure human vehicle that I can forget myself.

[@wthomas5697]

You call this "thinking"?

[@imaginaryuniverse632]

The Bible is an allegory where the meaning of the names of people, places and things are integral to the meaning of the story and the stories often don't say anything at all about the actual meaning like Joshua at Jericho is about destroying thoughts that aren't true by replacing them with thoughts that are true. A process called reasoning which most of us seldomly do because we react to situations instinctively seldomly pausing to consider and when we do consider it's usually based on false reasoning.

[@AntonioSanchez-yl9wj]

I dont follow Deepak. Not a fan. But what he says about death is deeply embebed in reality. If life is a process, then we were born 13.9 billion years ago.

[@andreasplosky8516]

" If life is a process, then we were born 13.9 billion years ago." If you really think it through, you will realize this is nonsense.

[@AntonioSanchez-yl9wj]

@ do you believe in evolution? I do. The universe also evolves. We don’t exist from nothing. 😀

[@falsificationism]

@@andreasplosky8516 Yeah, this was a silly, pseudointellectual comment, much in line with the guest. What a disappointing downgrade from otherwise pretty excellent programming.

[@ComommonlyCensored]

You could’ve just went to the Deepak Chopra, bullshit generator, and got a better answer.

[@chrisallard1819]

Fantastic - many thanks