DEF CON 22 - Metacortex and Grifter - Touring the Darkside of the Internet. An Introduction to Tor

[@Assassin73311]

Anyone ever notice how Defcon is a large tech talk, but their equipment seems to never work?

[@PasticheofSkin]

Assassin Becasue It can always be patch fixed to last until the next Important moment

[@wildh0rse1]

Assassin LOLOLOL Its so true it happens all the time!

[@calistheticsmurdergeese]

Assassin Windows sucks man :P

[@JosephCatrambone]

+Assassin You could say things are kinda'... hacked together.

[@SomeInfo-ib3wz]

+Assassin The Demo Gods, ruthless.

[@entitygamma1792]

"We can not confirm or deny the quality of these documents but they're amazing"

[@sdvcs-o2v]

we cannot confirm or deny is pretty awesome way to escape things

[@257796]

shout out to whoever is putting this content up. From a lay person who works in the factory and wouldn't really go to defcon, the shyt I learned today

[@spacemonkey7507]

In the hacker community you can find White Hats, Grey Hats, Black Hats and Asshats...

[@jakefromstatefarm242]

Asshats are a majority as well

[@DxBlack]

What about Hi-hats and snares? *BadumTISS!*

[@sdvcs-o2v]

😆maybe i'm one of the asshats

[@geekaboo14]

So I'm on a list for watching this

[@jpkjnn6733]

namedcreekrocks You're on a different, worse list for knowing that knowing about the list gets you on the list. You don't even want to know what list I'm on for knowing that.

[@Djorgal]

geekaboo14 Should watch it over tor.

[@Dominoes282]

geekaboo14 everyone is on a fucking list nowadays. Just don't get on too many lists.

[@Zorn101]

namedcreekrocks your list is now on the list.

[@boxbox6290]

+Zorn101 only those who know no about the lists if your name not on the list your not getting in the lists are made from tits n rainbow pits like i said only thlse who know about the lists no the list are active the lists are were its at ghe lists are only for those in the know yano

[@DigitalNomadInvestor]

He started out talking about their day trips. When I lived in Bangkok, I used to do a similar thing. I called them "Adventure days" because that's what it always ended up being. Roaming around Bangkok is never boring! I'd leave in the morning, no idea of where I was going to go, and I just walked. Sometimes I'd hop on the BTS (elevated train). Great times!

[@j.s.3414]

its rough watching hackers try and fumble through actual GUI's and physical cables/peripherals.

[@patricknelson]

23:14 - with the current value of BTC, that little electronics kit is a mere $4k USD.

[@getradvideo]

Anyone else end up here that doesn't understand any of this but still enjoying the knowledge?

[@Edigor100]

How do you not understand any of this? Most of it is pretty basic knowledge

[@JustAnotherThisDJ]

Dicktron if this is basic then I feel utterly thick and useless now!

[@Edigor100]

craigyb well sorry to hear that but yes it is pretty basic, most 14 year olds nowadays know how to use tor to find websites selling illegal things edit: with most 14 year olds I meant the ones who are on the internet a lot, the normal teenager probably doesnt know

[@JustAnotherThisDJ]

Dicktron oh I actually do know how to use tor to buy drugs lol. Needs must. I also had to figure out Bitcoin as well but I could not tell you how it works!

[@Edigor100]

craigyb Well what do you mean by you couldn't tell me how it works? What is "it"?

[@basedlord]

Evolution Our Current Favorite

[@---do2qd]

These guys were totally unprepared and didn't take the talk very seriously

[@sdvcs-o2v]

1:20 exactly doing stuff you don't know and some cool thing just happen or pop up at the other side makes all worth it, the right def of hacking

[@solarpanel8195]

"theyre not just for shady shit, but theres a LOT of shady shit" LMAO i love these dudes

[@leathernluv]

34:25 "Does Snowden recomend any of these vendors?" LMAO!

[@lalaland2773]

no

[@Ye4rZero]

lol- htf did you hear that?>

[@nuclearlion]

Truecrypt isn't only still legit but it's been audited and only minor non-critical flaws have been found. Find the latest good version on Steve Gibson's GRC webpage. Tor is still effective if you know how to use it properly, there are other talks that explain how.

[@spammyhagar]

really, you didn't name it "TOR'ing the Darkside...?" gimme a break

[@jaybofa617]

I’m stealing that title for my school presentation!

[@DotNetRussell]

RIGHT?!

[@over00lordunknown12]

I see that some people have mentioned this in the comments, but I haven't seen anyone answer the question: What are they wearing on their wrists?

[@chriskaprys]

i've never seen a defcon video that is without technical a/v issues. hmm.

[@BPDeadspot]

Def spelt backwards is Fed, food for thought ;)

[@elmortobeats5919]

The "Feds" are pulling a "con" on us, def con.

[@MatthewHensley8304]

@@elmortobeats5919 that actually makes since! they are already spying on everyone

[@jmm1233]

On a list for looking at Cat Facts

[@PossumMedic]

18:28 is exactly why I no longer set/change passwords when I'm intoxicated! :p

[@ionizedwarhead]

I've seen it on a couple of the videos, but what are the items on their wrists?

[@qtpie2630]

The 1337 haxors who can't get audio to work

[@peterromfeld4091]

how can you securely express your interest for tor updates? A single person can not keep track of all scrambled transactions.. but its not humans who keep track of them... I just had this running on the side and only picked up these 2 things between 30-40 (im too lazy to get exact numbers)... I was seriously interested to maybe join defcon (from few other videos i put more attention into it) but these two things kinda made it useless for me and i dont see the benefits joining it other then getting tracked - that i am a potential person interested in this stuff, which i show right now commenting on this video anyways (luckily im just interested in security and dont do any shenanigans even if it would just be research, but still i get into a grey area) this whole field is broken to make actual advances and still staying inside the law.... even if im genuinely interested in that security topics because i wanna know how to better secure (i need to know how to attack, and thats where things get difficult.. i cant possible provide all the different environments there are, but i can just go online and try and have all these environments) oh fuck im interested in security, but there are so many problems like people do things with bad intentions so you cant do the same thing just to lern and discover. you have stupid corporations with huge money which can just reduce you to ash if they figure you out and dont believe you, and many other issues

[@michaelkillies1303]

4:34 what film is it?

[@EpseLepse]

What does the left guy have on his wrist?

[@maverickstclare3756]

same as the right guy has on his

[@David-ud9ju]

Just searching for Tails and Tor won't put you on an NSA list. They're not even going to know.

[@lain2236ad]

David they would know but it in of itself doesn’t mean anything.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Google tells them

[@johnathanbryan5053]

what is i just wanna search up "tails" like the sonic character would they still put me on a list

[@johannsebastianbach3411]

Hello my personal FBI agent, I hope you are having a nice day!!

[@user-tr8kr1jd2o]

They missed out on the chance to remove the u in the title

[@assimonem1189]

Is apple mac air book compromised i heard ppl say do not use TOR with osx el capitan mac book air(10.11.16) mid 2012 YOU can geta tor on apple apps but it looks mickey mouse,i had the real tor browser on windows xp and used it when navigating the darknet but this el capitan will not load it ,only the apple version(which seems dubious as tor is not owned by apple.Can anyone direct me to the right sites or that direction as i havd been told not to trust apple. I am thinking of buying a small laptop just for the darknet.PRIOR I had accessed and had accounts with the blackmarket sites,SR 2 and BMR .they have changed since though and become more complex.I have studied the basic layouts concerning encrpttion and understand that part.. SO THE QUESTION...i had the tor on my old windows xp now my apple wont download green(old type TOR) and offers This other tor in its apple apps which i dont trust...I am a learner but am smart but need pointing to a general1-10 any help will be respected. I am told Apple have backdoors and connections to the NSA...My windows xp tor worked fine but i cannot download onto my apple. Someone help me out in the spirit of anarchism>> Is that what he means at 41.40 about having a laptop with no hard drive just the needed stuff.

[@FreakinKatGaming]

Def Cons certificate key is the woooh! Yay Def Con that's how you know it's Def Con

[@pinoaffe]

I would recommend you don't torrent through tor (even though the names sound the same ; ) ) . This is because doing so (torrenting through tor) basicly results in you dos'ing the tor network, and that makes it inbearably slow for other people.

[@ighorabcandido]

I am thinking, how the staff let them to talk about a object that we are tired to know? Depressive...

[@TheThebrosoldier]

Ighor Augusto what?

[@KamilUrbanskiStudio]

What model are their ibm laptops?

[@based1922]

can someone tell me what movie the clip from 34:57 is from

[@CantilEdge]

Big Dank have you really not seen jason bourne?

[@based1922]

i live under a rock man

[@thaghost909]

It's the Bourne series. The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Supremacy, The Bourne Ultimatum, etc..

[@Christian-gw5hq]

Anonymity on Tor. I LOL'd. I'm guessing they keep saying that to get more nodes and improve anonymity to a certain point.

[@rchaffer]

1:00 is that an England football shirt?

[@DeeWeext]

one of them sounds like the soldier guy with the speach machine, from South park.

[@Infinity-Minus-One]

ned

[@soldierofChrist238]

what do you mean do not re use identities and passwords? there was no example of what scenario you would do this and why not to .. whats the better way to go about it ? for ex . log into agora .. buy i dont know ... weed .... then what ? make new account and password before buying more weed? or ... once you recieve something with UPS ... now , order new fake id and open new box to get next item ? ( i feel so stupid right now , not sure why i didn't grasp that one lol ) ... would love to talk to these guys some how , they are pretty smart and savvy !

[@michaelodonoghue7464]

Apparently, the use of a Fake Identity in Australia is not illegal unless it is you intention to commit Financial Fraud. So I've heard.

[@GaryCameron780]

I like the mini baby monitor. :)

[@WilsonTech-go]

This is a great video.

[@drmikeyg]

A couple of nice Mormon boys from SLC Ut. LOL

[@ZeroKage69]

We cannot confirm or deny the quality of these passports but THEY'RE AMAZING. Lol

[@billklacks9908]

Anybody know what the other presentation (in the background) that was seemingly 50x more engaging? Lol jk I liked this

[@kipras14]

"Evolution" Our current favorite Not the best of choices.

[@brandiseroberts5637]

Man..just the most professional couple of guys to do this talk, huh?

[@RonJohn63]

2:32 The word "questionable" is so purposefully vague that phrases like "just who defines what that 'questionable' is can be argued" is such *pretentious* *horse* *shit*. If what they're obliquely trying to say is that it's all manifestly illegal, then it's *obvious* to anyone with three neurons just who defines it as illegal: the legislature and the executive.

[@MrOmniblast]

+RonJohn63 Yeah but for example, that "Baby Monitor" is questionable, but not illegal, yeah? :)

[@RonJohn63]

MrOmniblast Disgusted by the pretentious horse shit, I stopped watching soon after that point. Thus, I don't know what you're talking about.

[@rumfordc]

not everything bad is illegal, and vice versa

[@sdvcs-o2v]

7:40 bro yeah it just keeps coming to your mind, but now in 2024 i think it became a routine shit, no body gives a damn

[@thisisleah3072]

Don't use T>>oR its compromised. Pirate Bay and silk road as well :(

[@torbellinochacon9997]

ThisIsLeah No it isn´t.

[@xkxkxkoh]

This talk was garbage. "An Introduction to Tor". In 2014. At Def Con. Two guys thinking they're in-the-loop, going thru shitty fake ID sites and cracking the same tired innuendos about buying contraband. Color me disappointed, this talk would have been appropriate in 2003.

[@MrOmniblast]

+Alex Wallace "I already know this, so why are they talking about it?"

[@hellterminator]

+MrOmniblast In general, you'd have a point but this is _defcon_. Everyone there spent about $1000 ($200 for tickets, $200 for the cheapest room possible, $600 food + travel) to be there. The probability of someone, who's spent a thousand bucks to attend an infosec conference, not knowing what Tor is, is nil.

[@MrOmniblast]

***** That may be true, but it's now on the internet...and I assume they'd know that? So thousands now get to hear about it who didn't know about it before. Citing the price though, I understand. But this person didn't go there, they're watching it on the net. :)

[@hellterminator]

MrOmniblast Well, yeah, but there already is a ton of videos on the Internet explaining Tor (and in a format much more suitable for video streaming sites), so giving this talk at defcon specifically to get it on the Internet doesn't make sense (and if they really wanted to get _their_ talk on KZbin, they could have just uploaded it themselves, they didn't have to present at defcon). And as a defcon talk it's just out of place (an opinion probably shared by the organizers judging by the fact that they were put in the smallest room of the 5).

[@MrOmniblast]

***** Yeah, no it's fine. I agree now that I know how much money people spend an your point is valid.

[@SIGSEGV1337]

Note: Don't use Tor, it's already been cracked, I have no idea why people are still using it. Edit: I retract this comment, I no longer think Tor itself has been cracked but rather that it is built in such a way that it can only give you so much anonymity

[@DarkStar851]

What? No, it hasn't been cracked. There haven't been any proofs to suggest it's even vulnerable. The Tor "Browser Bundle" on the other hand offers a pretty big attack vector through Mozilla Firefox though. We haven't even seen issues of the state attacking it successfully (besides that NSA op that targeted an old Firefox bug). The internet: You're doing it wrong.

[@blinktq1579]

DarkStar851 Not sure where I read this but I hear you can control 1% of the nodes on the tor network and you can sniff out entrance and exit notes and find the target.

[@blinktq1579]

They do talk about it in the video, I opened my mouth too soon.

[@SIGSEGV1337]

BlinkTQ Yeah I believe it's called a Sybil attack, Lizard Squad managed to get control of 0.2743% of the Tor network a while back using it so it can't be something that's too difficult to do either.

[@Assassin73311]

Tor was "cracked" from the beginning. Not to mention that just by using it gets you on the NSA / CSIS watch list.

[@Settings_YouTube-1]

Hola me amigos! Como estas? Muy muy taco bien!

[@bishishtbhatta6160]

what is mirandas web?

[@Methylenedream]

It's a (stupid) joke ... referencing the mariana trench (the deepest part of the known ocean)

[@solarpanel8195]

its not a joke? its just a pain in the ass to connect to it, and theres No reason to connect to that if youre asking about it..

[@Methylenedream]

Do you know what the Mariana Trench is? Are you being an idiot on purpose because you think you're funny? Or are you just a juvenile yet to be educated on basic geography?

[@bishishtbhatta6160]

MDMA4LIFE lol

[@rodolfopena6099]

All those smart guys around and the equipment always has problems

[@lilmuskrat66]

Do i need TOR to get on facebook?

[@CU.SpaceCowboy]

there are no demo gods, there is only Zuul.

[@PhantomZtryker]

Why are these guys even on stage? This is /b/ levels of embarrassing.

[@tecmedimagen]

What?

[@bishopdante]

+PhantomZtryker look at their watches

[@numkie]

+Da Bishop holy shit they're Feds!

[@KafkasCat]

MSPP gave it away first :P

[@PolakeXD]

18:21 danger detected :P Never use this crappy os for entering DarkNet... Linux best one MacOS maybe secure but still.. meh :P

[@mamshar4513]

Its defcon 22 and this chumps is still talking about tor like its some new shit. Why did they even got a slot?

[@-AT-WALKER]

To help everybody catch up and spread the knowledge, serious question what have you done to help the cause?

[@DxBlack]

It's 2016 (almost 2017)...and most people still don't know what Bitcoin is or what it does. New sec students and workers straight out of school may not even know what TOR is either. Don't be a twat.

[@croquet93]

metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html if people don't know the basic why they bother using it.? it's super slow and only tech savy like it anyway.simple and basic stuff like this make the haystack getting bigger and no most people did't use it

[@mamshar4513]

I guess what I'm trying to say is I expect more from a talk @defcon since most of the talks are geared towards relatively new stuff or interesting things that most people don't know. TOR being the subject is fine but again, the keyword is "relatively new" and "not a lot of people know". You can just as easily find this information everywhere on the internet and I bet most of the people there already knew many of this stuff. I guess my wording maybe a bit harsh, maybe I'm a bit repulsed by their attitude of "look we're top shit, we're on teh deep web hacking stuff" while presenting mediocre content.

[@David-ud9ju]

You're the one being the twat here. These talks at Defcon are meant for people who go to Defcon and then they're also uploaded to KZbin. Everyone at Defcon should already know about Tor and Bitcoin.

[@Jagnathbaba]

Well, that's something. one question that i have is when you are sending details to be put in your "fake" passport aren't you at least giving or disclosing how you look?? XDXD even tor can't change that!!!

[@pekkalaakso1518]

These two clowns are just too funny

[@odingames6549]

Shinjuku, Demon City.

[@trieulieuf9]

31:30 He predicted Trump will be the next president.

[@KiLLUMiNATii]

Defcon speakers are so awkward :/

[@brkrab]

nice clip good

[@buff_r2135]

Congratulations! You're fucked if you step out of line! -NSA

[@David-uu7nl]

Shoe on D list bb

[@andrewhodgson1320]

Evolution, our current favorite.... oops. ;)

[@Mechabolic]

tor is only for hackers on steroids! what do you mean they use sensational names for free hits? :^)

[@thekaiser4333]

Let's go dark.

[@DxBlack]

RIP VIDALIA :(

[@jasonw2222]

If i was a dot g0v person i would run a great reddit r/fakeid with great reputation and pricing free shipping and the highest tech sat. tracking included free! But Wait theirs more...... Look it up

[@sean-nw5uy]

Most of those shop are scam ...

[@j.g.wentworth5355]

LMAO MATT DAMON ON THE LEFT

[@TheFieryluck]

evoloution the marketplace got fucked up and robbed

[@johnnyblazem5326]

LOL cant even do audio

[@elmortobeats5919]

Revenge of the nerds 😋

[@stevenyates715]

we already have crypto currency, it's called CASH! No paper trail :)

[@bobndweave8539]

tor was created by the us gov lol..... and you all use it? are you nuts lol

[@TheApatheticGuy]

+Bobnd Weave you should look up the origins of the internet, specifically the ARPANET.

[@MrWorld-hc5rs]

Just by using facebook and google they know who you are, so stop crying about Tor's anonymity.

[@assimonem1189]

LOL iwould not get stuff sent to a crack house...it would get stolen!!

[@magicbeanz2876]

i hope they did not get paid for this talk. i could of done this in half the time and people would of left like they learned something. this 2 guysare just basically saying we use tor and buy shady shit online.. not much learning going on. but promoting shady websites... these are the type of guys who own these shady sites. eitherway they have made them morefamous looks like there promoting there business........ these 2 guys are the owners of some of them markets for sure.

[@hacactus]

hack some audio company in order to get a decent audio sistem...

[@DownWhereWeBelong]

Cringefest

[@JustinKoenigSilica]

oh god the sad panda hahah

[@CommunistSpyware]

Grifter Nice 1 m8

[@dn5426]

get superfished

[@midsummernightsdream7504]

tour through those guys..they're hot!

[@LemonChieff]

tulutulutootoootototooo

[@web2yt488]

Boo for the long boring intro

[@mato_fato_ma-ah-fala-falafel]

These guys are seriously failed comedians.

[@brandiseroberts5637]

These guys ARE the incarnation of CRINGE! Ugh!! :(

[@David-ud9ju]

Most of these Defcon videos are terribly presented. The content is always pretty good, but unfortunately these nerds are conforming to stereotype and can't communicate very well. Not to mention that they clearly don't get any time to practice on stage beforehand based on how much always goes wrong. They always present like they're just hanging out with their mates at the pub. The vast majority of them clearly don't know how to present professionally to a large audience.