The F-104A Is Straight Up Illegal

[@envygd4902]

I love the two Mig 19s and the 21 at the end roleplaying as the average team mate and completely throwing the game in a 1v4

[@DEFYN]

They won tho :^)

[@CarolusR3x]

Be aware of the blue enemies....

[@GeneralLee2000]

They RUINED the engine howl though, I'm still mad about that

[@leroyjenkins0736]

Yeah I like flying a spaceship :(

[@Bad_B3d]

wooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@evangalinsky2499]

Honestly I'm not it's cool for 5 minutes and then it just sounds annoying due to the pitch

[@scorpion11729]

Nooo what next the hoover vacuum sound of the Wyvern?!?

[@WTM_ID]

Yap, nerf to my ear.

[@peterjensen9468]

I love how, by complete coincidence, Defyn's been posting guides for every jet I need help with lmao

[@jimsquabblecock8395]

Facts lol

[@mudhutonthemoon]

It makes you wonder if it even is a coincidence.

[@Weasel821]

Lol yea, i was just about to unlock this plane when this video released

[@djbiscuit1818]

4:35 "Nothing without missiles can realistically touch you" And that's exactly what it was designed for. It's not an interceptor like many people claim, it was designed as a pure day fighter. Kelly Johnson interviewed Korean War pilots, and they said what they needed the most was speed, so they could pick their fights. So what did he do? He built a jet for pure speed by wrapping a tiny airframe around the most powerful engine available at the time, and optimizing it for low drag at high speeds.

[@AdrianOkay]

if american missile tech caught up to the starfighter, we could have an alternate history where this is the greatest fighter ever made but it's just too fast for any weaponry of the era to be accurate it's similar to the me262 vs prop planes problem

[@Urssaff]

The difference is that the starfighter can regain its energy, the 262 will struggle to do it

[@torysaccount5753]

To be precise, the Starfighter was designed to climb as fast as possible, because of the altitude = energy idea. Which is true, up until you bring radar guided missiles into the equation.

[@britishbeef4890]

The ability to pick your fights is the best advantage any plane can have

[@covenantslayergaming6362]

Agree. It's the reason the F-5E will never truly be a truly competitive aircraft since it's too slow to dictate fights. If someone doesn't want to play your game there's no way to really force them to.

[@Sparrowthebird]

@@covenantslayergaming6362 bro it's one of the best energy fighters, what are you on

[@covenantslayergaming6362]

@@Sparrowthebird I'm not arguing that it isn't a great energy fighter. I'm saying that, objectively, it will never be one of the all around strongest aircraft at its tier because it's too slow to dictate the terms of engagement. It's a beast in bfm, but have fun forcing a smart player to get in a bfm situation.

[@R73Merchant]

@@covenantslayergaming6362bro it literally is the strongest all round aircraft at its tier 💀 the thing is ridiculous, I’ve got a 7KD and an 82% win rate in it - it’s energy retention and transonic acceleration kinda negate the top speed thing, anyone running away will eventually have a crack at you and when they do they’ll likely get sucked into a trap and die

[@R73Merchant]

@@covenantslayergaming6362unless that ‘smart’ player is willing to run all game until the tickets run out, he’s not going to have an easy time winning - he may beat you in a straight line but as soon as he starts turning he’s going to have a very tough time getting out of range again

[@aybaer3668]

One of the things that you didn't mention is that the F104 has an absurdly high flap takeoff speed. Its around 450 knots or 800kph. You can abuse this especially at higher altitudes to significantly increase your turn performance. Another thing is that you can max performance turn (13G pull) if you only pull horizontally. Cornering speed is around mach 1.1. You can use this to surprise people

[@rawhidelamp]

700 mph IAS is about where you can pull 14g entirely horizontal

[@rendycoya]

They might, but u can't go below 500 in a starfighter

[@aybaer3668]

@@rendycoya IAS drops with altitude, so you can be doing 450 IAS and mach .8-.9 fairly easily

[@roketsnail34]

i managed to pull 15Gs on my completely stock F-104A today

[@lostcosmonaut1000]

8:20 "this mig21 just commits 9/11" that caught me so off guard XD

[@jimmydafishy536]

Lmao. Bro says it so casually

[@Bossdom2010]

I didn't catch that

[@R73Merchant]

You can also use this things flaps all the way up to like Mach 0.8 and can deploy them for a couple seconds even at max speed for a crazy AOA boost - have to turn them off quickly though but if you get the timing right your turn time is absolutely insane

[@hindquarters909]

Defyn with more witty quips than most fathers.

[@Armex_YT]

Me in my mig 15: *ahh shit here we go again*

[@Thunder_Strike1]

Noob

[@PineappleElephant68]

Noob

[@Armex_YT]

@@PineappleElephant68 ?

[@reverkhau4550]

Noob

[@BW-4012]

Some of the tips you said for flying this aircraft have actually helped me play the f-104, when I got it, I didn’t know how to fly it, I usually got 0 score for every game, but recently I’ve been getting 2-4 kill games, same with some assists, it helped me grind out my a-10 today. Thank you for the tips 👍

[@pedromedeiros4955]

Gaijin should really implement a mechanic that gives the kill to the guy that did the most amount of damage to someone, because it's really frustrating when you set someone one fire or put someone on a flat spin and then someone comes in an finish him off and you are left with just an assist.

[@kwestionariusz1]

Kills were split eaven in quarters during WW2 for example

[@pedromedeiros4955]

@@kwestionariusz1 there's also a system in battlefield 4 were you get assist counted as kill or something like that.

[@martijn9568]

Doing a lot of damage to someone, but him still killing a team mate doesn't do the team good😅. I agree with what you're saying, but it is a complicated thing to implement.

[@pedromedeiros4955]

@@martijn9568 yes, in that case is not a kill steal if he is still a threat despite being cripple, but still I think that the guy who did the most amount of damage should get the kill.

[@sherlokderp9730]

I think it should be how controllable their aircraft is. If they’re on fire then the credit gets frozen on who set it until the fire goes out or kills him. If they’re in a flat spin that should automatically count you as dead, especially if you have critical damage

[@clay9181]

2:05 min without a sex joke, DEFYN "I can't hold it in any looongeeeer!!!"

[@H2OSakanaIsMyOshi]

Thanks dad, i really wanted to see this one

[@WojtekFrom]

I get your vids recommended sometimes and I'll usually just watch them. It is quite incredible how you're talking in a very informative manner 95% of the time and then casually throw in a meme out of nowhere. Cheers to that, mate. Never change, it's the funniest shit.

[@GaIiIeoMateo]

Bro I've been watching you for a while, but that play @11:50 was outright MAJESTIC. YOU'RE A BALLERINA IN THE SKIES MY FRIEND I LOVE YOU

[@jett_ac]

5:08 was cool as well

[@igio011pl]

I found it really sustainable and effective to take the F-104C with 2 firebombs for destroying 1 base. Once you drop, you can turn around and pick off enemy attackers.

[@439sparky1]

2 firebombs are enough at this br?

[@Galaxy-oy4nj]

​@@439sparky1napalm is very strong against bases

[@439sparky1]

Update: I bought the 104C out of curiosity. No, 2 firebombs are not enough at this br.

[@kylercontreras6044]

​@@439sparky1sounds like a skill issue

[@apersondoingthings5689]

Science: Wing size matters in order to fly F104 designers: no, pencil plane go after burning noises I also feel like this is the embodiment of the America tech tree, not the most maneuverable but is consistently the fastest planes at the BR

[@Biggles266]

Thank you from the bottom of my potato heart for making this vid. I am suffering HARD in the F-104J and just don't know how to fly it to even survive, never mind earn RP in. I'll be rewatching this a few times to try bashing it into my brain. o7 Excellent vid and as usual, some amazing burns and quips.

[@jacobdoolan4978]

As a pencil plane enjoyer try this: 1) climb to 5000m and don’t get too far in front 2) five once you see 3 or 2 people spotted and clean at least one up. 3) don’t turn back in, disengage, repeat

[@theRealests]

Tbh this video doesnt really apply to the F-104J. Its almost the same plane but at a different BR. Im sorry to tell you this but that thing is the worst F-104 variant in the game and it's not gonna get easier from here. Trust me, Ive been there.

[@jacobdoolan4978]

@@theRealests The f104G is one of my most played planes and it has a 68% win rate for a reason. Its stupid strong due to constant downtiers but you have to rat it out with speed and decently long range missiles

[@theRealests]

@@jacobdoolan4978 104G, not the J. The G has flares which helps A TON in these 104s especially at 10.7. The 104G was even at 10.3 too at one point with the CMs. The 104J is outright worse just cause of no CMs.

[@jacobdoolan4978]

oh hell no, drop that thing like a rock XD you have to play so specific to survive at 10.3 without flares i wouldnt even bother

[@TheUnseenWaffle]

I really wish we could have the option of turning off the Mach cone. Like tanks can turn off grass in the sights.

[@martijn9568]

Even just a modified mach cone would suffice.

[@LtRiot]

104 players be like "I only hit the airbrake when I want to see who I'm about to kill"

[@ronkaufhold6253]

lesson learned from this vid: dont tell defyn to "give up, man"

[@zer0her048]

You know a plane be zoomin, when Defyn says "He's getting his speed up, I immediately cut throttle, to not go too fast"

[@davidryanlawrencd]

F-104 + M61 Vulcan is life

[@zacharycanell5197]

Listening to this in the background to kinda pick up on tips while I play, and all I hear is “and the MiG 21 commits 9/11” out of nowhere

[@thebean8255]

This is one of those planes that if you understand what you’re doing, on anything but a 10.0 uptier absolutely nothing can touch you. You can essentially win every game by yourself unless your team completely throws enough that the enemy wins on points.

[@crez3463]

Why fly the A when could fly the C? It can take FFARs for makeshift flares without sacrificing the missiles

[@kingghidorah8106]

when did it get the myoesi mcucks rockets? i literally skipped it because it only had bombs.

[@melle9155]

the fucking what@@kingghidorah8106

[@MiraPacku]

​@@kingghidorah8106 hehe Mach 1 Base Bomb goes Boooom

[@jackobn.m.g.4806]

It is such a minute upgrade, that it seems not worth the SL. At least back when it was a required plane to research to progress, now you dont even have to grind it so why bother

[@HwE-ic7tp]

The A variant is the lightest and most agile F-104 in the game.

[@tonyesta7220]

Probably the only plane can do rolling scissors with a missle

[@poggergen1937]

I love playing the starfighter, It’s so cheap and I love it. The only issue I find is that it can’t pull hard enough to properly lead basically anyone

[@Chris-yy5pj]

This plane singlehandedly made me stop playing 8.7

[@papasiukas7419]

I love how this guy tells jokes with a completely serious tone and it makes it 100x funnier 😂

[@c81hd]

I absolutely love the c variant, one of my favorite planes overall

[@DeeKeyLP]

what makes it different to f104a?

[@crimhammerlock8963]

You uploaded this the night after I revisited thus jet. I hadn't touched it ever since it unlocked it a few years ago, and frankly it's so much fun to bully with the speed then die horribly

[@PondWaterEnjoyer]

Imagine how fast the F-104 could go if they gave it swept wings

[@Johnny_OSG]

But it has swept wings. With swept wings its about leading edge, not so much xc0,25 sweep angle

[@sparkling925]

@@Johnny_OSGi think he meant variable geometry wings

[@skull1161]

@@sparkling925 still wouldnt help, the F-104's wings provide so little drag because they provide so little lift. Induced drag is a byproduct of lift, this is why variable geometry wings are useful because you can optimize how much lift they are making, obviously if you are going slow you need more lift but when going faster you don't need as much lift generation, the only thing variable geometry wings would do for an F-104 would make it more maneuverable at low speeds

[@Unconcernable]

Love the pencil

[@irithylloldman6526]

These things are good but when downtiered to 8.7 they're complete menaces. Literally no one in the lobby can do anything about it but I find a fun strat. Baiting them to ground boom and zoom manoeuvres makes 50% of them crash into the ground in the first or second pass

[@darealsherlock8026]

I love me some pencils that fly hypersonic.

[@Kulepennstrek]

my grandpa flew a starfighter in the Norwegian Airforce. don't know exactly what model or load was standard

[@martijn9568]

I'm surprised he lived to tell the tale after hearing about Norway's amount of fatalities using the Starfighter.

[@Kulepennstrek]

@@martijn9568 my grandpa cannot he killed he is 83 and still walks mountain trips

[@RedVRCC]

DEFYN's commentary is always god tier. The name he gave that map at the beginning has me dying every time I hear it lmaooo.

[@DaMatth79]

quiet down and take thy riches. gosh darn, you had me at "subscription for hustler" ngl 🤣

[@peachpie3207]

DEFYN out of context is the best lmao

[@DinoDunoDonk]

You might want to change the "Load out: 4x AIM-9J Sidewinders + flares", thanks alot for the great video was super helpful to me

[@Bravo-oo9vd]

You are strong and wise, DEFYN, and I am very proud of you.

[@Zavodilla-oc8it]

12:18 I can assure u as a Swiss hunter player myself, we go after pencils cause they are way to fast and need to be gone and as a sub sonic jet at super sonic BRs you gotta prioritize the your most dangerous target, especially since you showed you can dodge its missiles from such close range due to how fast you go

[@TheSuperZOS]

Su-25 is why both F-104A is 9.3 and F-104S is 11.0 Singlehandedly creating an insane missile and the saddest plane currently in that range

[@No1harris_98]

Defyn should deffo play the 9.0 Q-5 with flares.

[@DEFYN]

I have not too long ago

[@ChannelMiner]

Load out: 4x AIM-9J Sidewinders + flares Uh i think u got the wrong description

[@antoncabotta5364]

Your commentary is becoming insanely good.

[@roberttauzer7042]

I've spaded this recently, wonderful plane, I've even spaded folded F-104 C bombsled variant, that's how much I've liked it : ) Accel and speed are nice for sure but your climb rate is out of this world, like 3x better then average plane on your BR. I would always climb high and swoop on the ppl from the stratosphere. No turning, one pass, whatever happens happens, move away, keep the speed.

[@dad378]

shooting the all aspects out of the air was so cool.

[@rekamtihgaming1]

Hehe the F104 in air sim battles is just broken

[@Oliepolie]

Defyn releases an F104 video right after miltiary aviation history does… Coincidence? No Collaboration? Yes (This could very loosely be called a joke)

[@camilorodriguez5602]

My problem with it its not avoiding enemy planes, its actually getting kills with it, either "teammates" kill the plane i was going after first, or i miss all my shots before overshooting the enemy plane (stock grind is a pain here, i teally need 9B's)

[@jthablaidd]

The worst part about this plane: *needing a good team*

[@abarthcorsa3493]

Pro tip to anyone new to star fighters in the comments: if you HAVE to make a hard turn and you are safe enough to bleed speed (ie there aren’t any enemies waiting to nail you) your takeoff flaps can survive for a few seconds above Mach, and they will help you pull much higher AOA and turn in, good for a one-time hard turn to pull lead or get your nose on target. The landing flaps afford you even better turning but they will instantly rip if you’re above Mach, so only use them if you’re subsonic AND pulling hard AOA. I usually use takeoff in short bursts above Mach and if I fall into transonic/subsonic speeds then I will alternate between takeoff and landing during tight turns. It loses lots of speed and energy so keep afterburner on and use sparingly, but I’ve killed a number of much more manoeuvrable planes by surprising them in a reversal using this tactic. Like i said this is a risky tactic only to be used as a last resort or to take out an isolated enemy.

[@zanzao-1ps318]

The ROTS meme in this video is criminally underrated

[@RamonInNZ]

I made a plastic model of this as a youngster - even on the stand it looked fast!

[@oIX3N0NIo]

I love the free kills the 104s are for my Mirage IIIE…can‘t outturn me, can‘t outrun me, they only can outaccelerate me. But - making me maneuver to take advantage of the speed burn the Mirage is famous for once I‘m on their 6 in order to actually outaccelerate me and having a chance of getting away - basically means giving me an opportunity for a kill…which usually results in a kill.

[@jschuh0509]

this plane is essentially the greatest phase of the us tech tree imo... there are some nice planes after.. but this is the SU11 of the usa. the missles are nice to get people to drain energy too,

[@gelb_0139]

Those flying pens are ruining 9.0-10.0 BR

[@maggi98mw]

Any more than Mig21?

[@Sabre613]

Just unlocked this f104 and defyn makes a video on it what a day to be alive!

[@catdelnorris]

The F104 A and C is prolly my favorite below 9.7 plane the Av8 was pretty fun but the 104 is just so much more fun

[@ajsenecal2202]

the Mig-21S premium is similar to this but replace the gun with silly headon radar missiles and less speed

[@huntor3606]

Yes, finally, the pencil jet

[@LANESTER-v6n]

This video helped me so much literally the game I played after watching this video I got 4 kills. Thank you so much for the tips

[@Bibodoi]

Since the Mirage F1c flight model is upgraded (It can pull 14-15g at high speed now, and its magic 2 just received IRCCM at Br 11.3) is there any change you will make a video revisiting it? I'd be interested in that video as the aniversary sale is near and I want to buy the F1c-200 to grind France.

[@Zerosen89]

F104 exprience so far, blown up by missile, blown up by missile, blown up by missile, blown up by missile, blown up by missile

[@VogxelFPV]

“The mig21 just commits 9/11” 💀💀💀

[@roanferguson8873]

There's something funny about using the old tactical skedaddle to get away from missiles shot at you, then watching the shitbird premium SU-25 get mad because he can't instant win

[@onlyhereformoney175]

i'm a quarter of the way to getting the F-104A so this is super helpful

[@BazzRahulGaming]

"This Mig 21 Commits 9/11" lmao 😂❤

[@lazarj]

Played this plane a lot a couple months back, around 4.5KD, love it. It's incredibly fun until you eat an r60mk.

[@bluefiremann]

I really needed this video, came in the perfect time cause i havnt bought the f104 and i was thinking about getttinf a tali with it for grinding rank 7

[@ukaszbogacz522]

Hustlers university line got me good

[@kidpagronprimsank05]

This is primary reason why i will capped my early jet at 8.0 (although i have 8.3 and 8.7). If up against someone who knows how to play this, basically untouchable and no manuever gonna save you because he can simply outrun, out climb you before you even get firing solutions

[@Duality.12]

“Just give up man” proceeds to fucking die

[@FumbleSquid]

God I hate fighting these things when I'm in 8.3/8.7 planes. Especially since it's almost always teamed up with mig-19s. Idk why, but 9.3 US and USSR get teamed up in downtiers, which is obviously unfair since they have the best 9.3s. This and the mig-19 are really big examples of how toxic the BR compression is.

[@Doc_Boots]

Love this plane. Hard to kill anything but also very easy to not die

[@vojtapergl858]

The t2 is great at dealing with f104. It is only a little bit slower and can dodge well and the it just got the aim9ps which are good missiles and f104 cant dodge those. I always kill them flbecause they are really good at slowing other people down which really helps the team

[@dsawf4317]

i love this pencil

[@darryalz]

"...this guy just fucking dies "

[@neoroggensack1244]

the f104 has to be the stretched + lowered busa of war thunder

[@kickinitoldschool03]

I have well over 1,000 kills between the A and C models. My absolute favorite aircraft in the game!

[@jinzo457]

7:20 amogus

[@dominicc3521]

Get this man to 100k.

[@michaelw6277]

This plane turns a lot better than most would expect if you get slow and pop flaps.

[@rawhidelamp]

If you hit full elevator while going at around 700 mph you can pull 14g and turn quite quickly

[@stallfighter]

You dont even need to slow down, if you dont let your take off flaps extend fully you can use them even at supersonic speeds.

[@maggi98mw]

@@rawhidelamp At low fuel it can pull 16g at 1250-1200 kph, so a little above 700 mph. But it just dumps speed there

[@firefenix9386]

5:57 *J out*

[@wytsevs]

As a f104 enjoyer, i like this

[@AR_P71]

Your description includes inaccurate information: the 104A in the US tree can't hold 4 x aim 9j or flares.

[@DEFYN]

I am built different

[@NormanLippold]

9:05 haha you completely lost control, lucky that missile sucked

[@jeremyfisher8512]

Its always funny watching groups of pissed off enemy aircraft try and follow me around like a bunch of ducklings. They'll never catch up but boy will they try

[@lordwintertown8284]

G'day defyn. The A models & C model Starfighters were perfect at 9.7 for the change from 10.0 was needed but the change to 9.3 is simply ridiculous. Still It sucks they don't give the USAF A model AIM-9D's that it tested as hell the colour scheme of the test aircraft is in game heh. Similar the C model could be better if given the inner wing pylons for more missiles as well yet these poxy devs just reduce the BR instead.

[@fishbones8698]

I've been playing this thing in arcade at the nightmare BR of 10.3 and it can honestly put in work despite the 7F/9L spam. I've killed F-14s in it.

[@sanantexas2477]

Damn had so much fun farming rank 6 air rb in this thing alot a few months ago!

[@notlikely1482]

u know whats the fastest thing in war thunder ? fkn defyn`s lips hittin each other at mach 17 as he yapps for 20 minutes

[@mrbunny6203]

It's a really good plane only treat imo is something like a mig21 or mig19 or a r60

[@user-ee1fn4vt8b]

The reason german Hunters will focus you is because every other german plane at that BR can do absolutely fuck-all against the F-104, so we grind the squad Hunter to get our revenge (currently on that grind).

[@gliderfs621]

This plane is so much beautiful. Say what you want, but, along with fast subsonics like F-86, these late 1950s supersonic planes are for me the sexiest thing that ever flown. It’s like flying in a rocket ! Thank you DEFYN for showing us this beauty in game. By choosing the Starfighter, you play the Right Stuff 😉

[@kiki7170]

Is C model better or the A? They are at the same br and is A a bit lighter and less thrust? Both stock and I think I might choose one to spade it (both bought before the C merge into subtree of A model)

[@_ace_defective_]

In the past I preferred the C because it had an RWR, rockets for makeshift flares, and an engine that didn't overheat so quickly. Now though, with it being at such a low BR and getting a later engine variant, the A is better. But they both fly about the same anyways so it's up to you whether you want a bit of extra flight performance or makeshift flares.

[@kiki7170]

@@_ace_defective_ I see, thanks a lot

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

Literally the F104 IRL

[@theborg6024]

man remember when this thing was 9.7 and 10.0 + was its own mm so it only downtiered against f2 sabers and mig15bis. i remember