The Su-33 Is A Great 13.0 In The Wrong Matchmaker

[@Evrimomono]

Defyn refusing to say Rafale will never be not funny

[@augusthertz7163]

The commitment is hilarious

[@AirRBnpc]

Ah yes the Default Renault, my favorite 14.0

[@DCrypt1]

The Da'hashoh Rafael is an Israeli fighter I really have no idea why it's in the French tree. Next they'll put the Lavi in the Israeli tree or J-10 with the CCP.

[@EdgeR2]

Giving backshots to the entire enemy team 💀

[@Russertlog]

i was bouta comment this

[@Val_Entine1]

mfs in the ^fmboy^ squadron

[@ollilaine6763]

The R-27ER's datalink also allows you to fire two missiles on one target and then switching the lock to another target once the first one hits to make the second one track the new target.

[@Val_Entine1]

the 27ers like to fly without a lock but they dont do turning without locks, so yes, you can do this, but they are not fox3s

[@justforfun_ger7137]

​@Val_Entine1the aim-7eDF from my F4e have the same Problem, i shot 2x on 1x red plane first missile changed target hunted and killer an teammate and secound missile shoot my intended target down. The teammate was Not locked on by me at anytime , ihad Hard lock on the Red plane whole time.

[@OcelotSF]

Only if it has enough energy left lol

[@Tjecktjeck]

You can do that with Tornado / Skyflash aswell. But it is not useful, Su-27 got a junky radar to acure lock quickly and Skyflash is a junky missile to use it this way.

[@JTJSSG]

It may be bad in the meta but I ain’t got nothing interesting to get so I am researching it. Kinda wish there was like a bank to store squadron points when you don’t want to research stuff

[@INSANESUICIDE]

That would be great tbh, though I recommend whole heartedly the bmp2m.

[@GanyusSimp]

U could do it in the early days after finishing 1 research, they fixed it now tho

[@acemcbeanpiff]

​@@INSANESUICIDE getting the BMP-2M implies willingly playing ground RB. I'd rather play naval

[@INSANESUICIDE]

@@acemcbeanpiff brother, imagine trying to play ground getting nuked from orbit by 3 planes and 2 jellies from 10km minimum, meanwhile you are trying to deal with shit within the mark 1 eyeball.

[@sharkk127]

HAH, you're funny, gaijin would never add something like that

[@infinitywork1693]

13.0 in general is an awful br to be in rn, you will always be uptiered to fox 3 territory where if you play safe and dodge missiles, by the time you're in range, all of the enemies are already dead or your team are obliterated so youre facing a 1vs10, and if you're playing aggressive, there's a high chance you will just die.

[@gtmike916]

Trust me my F-14B cries in 13.0. The AIM-54Cs just don’t cut it like the Fakour 90s.

[@bdognuker4237]

⁠@@gtmike916 right I stopped playing the 14B bc the Fars are much better

[@MrRobschnieder]

13.0 can be fun but only in sim. Unfortunately the su-27 and su-33 are still stuck at 13.3 and forced to always fight fox 3s

[@bdognuker4237]

@@MrRobschnieder agreed, recently used it in sum and did pretty good

[@prelawnoob]

12.7 is worse

[@calimdonmorgul7206]

The 80s Soviet MiG-29 and SU-27 should lose ER/ET receive R-73 in case of the MiG-29 and be adjusted in BR accordingly.

[@Creeper99PL]

Su-27 was designed with ER/ET in mind or rather the missiles were designed in the E variant for Su-27 at the same time that the normal variants were for Mig-29.

[@Sh3ll00]

Yt comments are so disappointing 😭

[@randompersonontheinternet7041]

"I love you defyn idk why it slipped in my hands" 😭😭

[@Sh3ll00]

@randompersonontheinternet7041 got me giggling with my feet kicking up in the air 😭

[@MrRofi-jp7mo]

@@Sh3ll00????

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@Sh3ll00 💅💅💅

[@AbeAuto127]

I’m so happy you made this video bro No one’s talking abt the su33, everyone’s focused on the ef2000 and the rafale, the su33 is crazy slept on

[@meepthunder8060]

whats the rafale?? i only know the "those" and the "ravioli" if u couldnt tell im taking defyns joke further

[@AbeAuto127]

@ I could tell lol

[@generalbub.]

ung I love you defyn tell me why it slipped into my hands

[@sfyzie_ice]

Nah 💀

[@RayHope_D]

I have the same experience

[@kingghidorah8106]

the parasocial is crazy

[@rohartmartin8329]

I know this is about the Su-33 but. As I was grinding with the Su-34 to get all modifications, I was so surprised how ET's works so well at those BR's (It's my first ever plane that has ET's/ER's) just flying high, using TWS to cope with no HMD on the Su-34 and lobbing them and watching people panick trying to chaff them. Lotsa fun !

[@bob-hg5qj]

The su 34 is a monster when coming to r27ET. It gets 6 of them and you can carry two radar missiles and the r73. Personally, do not use the r77. R27ER does a better job according to gaijin

[@kabzebrowski]

You forgot to add that the FM changes made the Flanker family not an instant loss at close range engagements anymore, while not UFOs you can at least contest ppl now.

[@skatepvp2202]

can u explain in a 0.1 kd warthunder air rb player terms please?

[@_solaris_4057]

​@@skatepvp2202 when you turn, you no longer fall out of the sky.

[@gaben2907]

I don't think the su-33 received this buff. only the su-27+su-27sm and j-11+j-11a

[@kabzebrowski]

@@gaben2907 Sure, the SU-33 was added this patch, it already came with the new Flanker flight model changes built-in. What I meant is that if the SU-33 was flying like the other Flankers were (before this patch), it wouldn't be much better than a WWII bomber in maneuvers.

[@kabzebrowski]

@@skatepvp2202 Sure, my man. Before this patch, the "Flanker" family (su-27, su-27sm, j11, j11a) suffered from an extremely BAD flight model (FM). Flight models are a bunch parameters that dictate how planes handle in the air: how fast you turn, pitch, yaw, roll, how fast you go, what's your acceleration, how much speed you lose in turns, how high can you fly, how tight are your turns, etc. In the Flanker family, the planes SHOULD be maneuverable, but really weren't. They would lose all speed in a sustained turn and then fall out of the sky. If the SU-33 followed the old Flight Model, it would be another painful plane to fly. Lucky for us, this patch made some corrections to the Flanker family, which the su-33 is enjoying as well.

[@ZeePanzer]

the best thing about the R27s is that while you break lock, and the IOG guide it, it doesnt allert the RWR of the guy, especially useful on the bizon when it gets down tiers, since it face a lot of enemies with SPO 10s

[@henry03100]

Will you be covering the new thai alpha jet?

[@DEFYN]

Yeah will be next

[@henry03100]

@ thank you

[@bottoms_up2175]

Thigh Alpha jet

[@Rizzo_67]

Thanks for the guides in the description. I need those.

[@janusz4156]

Star of Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation. 35 years of Su-33 "Flanker-D" in 2022 and 30 years of Ace Combat series in 2025.

[@martijn9568]

Fijne feestdagen Defyn!👍👍

[@sw-reload9232]

This vid motivates me to play the su27 again because I have to copr with beign to broke and impatient

[@AboodTurbo]

14:36 "If you get caught with your pants down..." 💀💀

[@TheEastNorthern]

yup.

[@TheEastNorthern]

14:35 Defyn?.

[@General_kenobi12]

Past experience

[@TheEastNorthern]

@General_kenobi12 haven't had the best experience with primary teacher.

[@twinsistudio]

I am french, and every time you give the rafale a weird name, i cannot help but laugh so hard! keep going XD

[@aynersolderingworks7009]

I’ll research this shit just to give it a yellow 13 skin

[@vnthony_ka1535]

I did it for Strigon

[@presidentirinavladimirovna7054]

​@@vnthony_ka1535 Fellow Estovakian?

[@seadragonyt5391]

So this is what the Yellow’s flew? It’s been a while since I played so I’ve forgotten.

[@theycallmeklutchkid]

Early on it was these and later it was the 47 with the forward swept wings that doesn't actually exist in numbers

[@danielmolinar8669]

@@seadragonyt5391No, Yellow Swuadron flew the Su-37, which has a larger nose than the Su-33 and has thrust vectoring.

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

In summary, good enough and enjoyable for simAB

[@pedromedeiros4955]

Didn't the flankers got a FM buff this update? Or it wasn't substantial?

[@glovely4119]

It was very substantial, I'm assuming this video was basically done before it got changed. Doesn't particularly change the way it fights with missiles but you can dogfight the majority of planes now instead of the minority.

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

Su27s are now capable of dogfighting stuff. They aren't good at it, but aren't bad either. But the su33 Is way heavier, and, thus, is still bad in dogfights

[@wheraboo5013]

@@ВячеславФролов-д7я from my testing yes but no for the overall maneuverability, it seems that at certain AOA above 16 degrees~ the SU33 generates more lift than the weight it puts on, and the stability allows for a falling leaf maneuver, so while 27-11 are lighter they are much harder to control and achieve the same level of idiosyncratic movement the su33 can achieve. So overall it seems the SU33 is better maneuverability wise but the fight never gets there if it were to go against a j11 or su27

[@Tekalook]

When the f4s horde is there the 13.0 matchmaker is a bliss, now not so much

[@guutn7973]

You should try the Su27SM with its new Su-34 engines I got jumpscared whenI saw that my afterburners were blue instead of orange in the runway.

[@echo-et8cn]

I love my Deesalt Revolver 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@filippavlovic18]

Diesel, it was actually my joke on his Raviolli video

[@jonathanandersen5274]

Merry christmas🎄

[@p25h]

I love the su33 .

[@criticalhartzer]

my first 13.0+ besides the gripper and i adore this thing, got two 8 kill games and several 6 and 7k ones.

[@christianmarthinsen1588]

Su-33 will probably rock the 12-13 bracket in sim!

[@samadams2203]

Who painted on that Russian navy decal? 5:35

[@jotafonso3310]

5 seconds with your game open and you can see that it is part of the default camo?

[@alphacentaurivenus8037]

@jotafonso3310 looks so bad tho like It's drawn in paint on Windows XP

[@samadams2203]

@jotafonso3310 Is it really? I assumed it was a meme skin since it looks microwaved.

[@jotafonso3310]

@@samadams2203 yep, it's part of the default skin. The german typhoon also has very blurry textures for some reason, the other two dont

[@datsunalzheimer]

The ER iog is so underrated. Iirc it keeps flying for like 10-20sec compared to a few seconds on AIM7. Got called a hacker a bunch of times during the mig29 meta

[@doorknobsoup]

Tbh i don't consider this thing fighting 14.0s a lot to be a big deal. Are they better than me, yeah. Do I care, no. My missiles are still mach 5.8 and basically immune to notching and multipathing. They can be "technically worse" all they want, it doesn't stop my flanker from maintaining one of my better KDs if I just choose to not let 14.0s intimate me.

[@Coliflower185]

“Immune to multipathing” no they fucking aren’t. Every missile is exactly as susceptible to multipathing as every other one.

[@doorknobsoup]

@@Coliflower185 remember how in this video defyn said the IOG on the ER is extremely strong? Yeah you can use that to defeat multipathing by unlocking the target 1 second before impact. Missiles dont multipath if they don't have a target. Instead the ER will IOG straight into the target. Just like a aim9m when you try to flare last second. We've known about this for actual years. Seek made an entire video on it for christ sake. Maybe ask before blowing up like a fucking chimpanzee.

[@doorknobsoup]

​@@Coliflower185(sry if you get 2 of these replies. I already sent 1 but it just isn't appearing on my screen.) Remember when defyn said the ERs IOG was extremely strong? Yeah, you can use that IOG to hit targets that are multipathing by unlocking the target a second before impact. Missiles can't multipath without a target. But the ER has IOG and will remember your vector and travel to the intercept point and kill you. Just like an aim9m when it sees flares. We've known about this for actual years. Seek made an entire video on it for christ sake. Maybe ask before blowing up like a fucking chimpanzee.

[@doorknobsoup]

Ive written 2 replies to coliflower so far trying to explain the IOG trick ERs can do to defeat multipathing. But neither of them are appearing on my screen. it still days theres only 1 reply. If any of you guys can see any of these 3 replies please let me know.

[@p25h]

I’ve been getting more aces in the su33 than the f15e . I was an f15&f16 main . But the downtiers in the su33 are often , filled with f4s , tomcats , and early migs .

[@p25h]

Uptiers are not so bad , if u know how to defeated fox 3s .

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

because it's undertiered asf

[@BlackPhantom_II]

​@@mikeyplayzwrldNot undertiered but screwed by lack of decompression

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@BlackPhantom_II It could easily have been 14.0 if they gave it the EA/EM/EP, But nope. They decided to undertier it, so now yet another plane gets to fight phantoms and F-14As with ERs, ETs and R-73s (while carrying 12 of them which completely destroys any sense of decision making they have to make when it comes to mowing down an entire lobby.

[@mysteriumxarxes3990]

this video is a fountain for the defyn out of context guy

[@stefanpretuleac5516]

02:26 Amogus? (The A on the wrist)

[@vgames1543]

Defyn, I see you quite successfully launch missiles after just pointing the normal HMD at enemies and ignore them after firing, and other times lock on and then launch, having to maintain the Box on the enemy. Can you explain this?

[@DEFYN]

R73 and R27ET are heat seeking so I just need to point at them R27ER is a radar missile so you need a lock before you can fire

[@darkhowling6425]

R27ET DOES have Irccm... So it can resist some flaring... but some planes can spam so many flares its pointless.

[@MegaJani]

Would you guys research this or the JF-17 first?

[@justinsane332]

They both are good. 17 flies like a 16, this is more like flying the 15. I own both, love them both

[@Siddich]

Defyn complaining about thd flight model of the Su, me crying in ICE 😂

[@MjsterX-u1b]

defyn is just the best wt content creator🤷🏽‍♂️

[@NagyGergely0012]

What do you think of the ki 100 ?

[@user-ee1fn4vt8b]

You can fire R-27ER's from 35km? Do you have to be going over mach, above a certain height? That's insane, I've only ever shot them at less than 20km.

[@mich421]

You can also launch a missile at 50 km but you have to go up in altitude

[@matmuie3191]

@mich421yea in a down tier against f14s it’s very effective

[@DigitalShaolin]

R27ers have best range and speed ingame, you underestimate them. They are just sarhs tho so still ass

[@RienRocks]

@@DigitalShaolin Fakour-90s exist.

[@computerboy0967]

is it possible for you to try out the thai f16 OCU?

[@mochabear88]

ty

[@Drk-im8bi]

Defyn I been asking other creators have u got any tips for grinding USA air tree tysm of u can tell me some Ty

[@VS-se7ei]

I just got the nc 900 from gamba, but i dont see it in my Investors for some reason. Does anyone know whats going on?

[@DEFYN]

Is it in your french tech tree as a premium?

[@luoeain2026]

I just stop playing all the 13.0 and 13.3 planes till every countries get their 14.0 or 14.3 planes

[@phantom_ii4594]

Alpha jet TH when

[@KasperovRussiov]

I dare you to play the Swedish T 2 as a fighter, it has 2 8mm turrets so it can be one ;)

[@stellarmadman]

I like the rafaelo plane its kinda nice

[@azovianace]

that R73 on that F16 was FILTHY

[@HeinrichDerGrosse1298]

14:37 brow😂😂😂

[@nikryko9406]

can you play the f-16c in the new meta

[@ThunderTutel]

Defyn should play the first gtipen in the swedish tree (to prove 13.0 is hell)to not prove everything

[@nickgartzke]

Guy who started playing at 2014 and stopped playing around 2017. I have no idea what the fuck is happening at this battle rating.

[@nathanisjesuschrist1175]

Using r73s as.an active protection system is so based

[@محمدبسيم-ع7ص]

pls SU-27SM

[@hoarsuh8173]

If the Su-33 is in the wrong matchmaker, wouldn't it also mean the Mirage 4k is also in the wrong matchmaker, if not then why?

[@rowanyuh6326]

I want su-30sm. This thing is just a goofy ahh su-27. They didn’t even add the Chinese one based on the Ukrainian prototype

[@einbaerchen2995]

The Su-33 suffers from the same problem as the MiG-29G. You get a nice airframe, you get good missiles and then you fight Raviolis, Eurofighters and F-15Es and obviously all the 13.7s too. And obviously the F-4F KWS and the Viggen with Fox-3s because they are the same BR. It's certainly not a nice plane to 1v1 anything above 13.0...

[@airlightshockZOV]

10:23 is that arcade I see? You are defyn not the vowel man

[@ramonzaions7522]

CL-MK6b When?? Is the New King of Dogfigth at 9.0!

[@protwo6797]

New? Its been goated since a long time

[@ramonzaions7522]

@protwo6797 Well on the past this are at 9.7.. and after 9.3 and now 9.0 ! At 9.0 is The KING! ""New at 9.0BR""!

[@ramonzaions7522]

❤

[@damonevansii8431]

The plane is so fun but is so overmatched in the matchmaker it’s in and it’s sucks

[@kawelli1078]

Defyn the god of war thunder posts again

[@baccarah7010]

We need a completely new matchmaker system by now Why are fox 3 capable planes fighting ones with fox 1s

[@BlackBustnMoves]

Day 35 of asking Defyn to play the Me 410.

[@PaulieLDP]

Any idea how to make helmet mounted targeting work on realistic controls? The target reticule doesn't follow the centre of the camera, it only moves on an X and Y axis to the horizontal. So if you are rolled 90 degrees and look around, the target reticule will go in the opposite direction.

[@Louischrst]

The best pilot in war thunder

[@kendellmoore8367]

I would say 12.0-13.0 is janky af and needs to be fixed like wtf is the tomcat doing in 12.7 with fox-3’s completely ruining the bracket

[@pieisawesome2204]

This thing and the other flankers frustrate me so much, how on Earth are they the same BR as the Mig-29G, literally twice as many missiles on the 33 than the 29G, with quadruple the 27ERs, wtf is that balance man. Top tier needs more decompression again.

[@The-ghost__]

U da goat

[@152mmapfsds]

YES YES YES YES YES YES

[@RandyMCPEmaster]

Ratatouille

[@jerichostevens2711]

it's obvious, but best way to learn to play top tier is by playing top tier. if you're new... just stick with it, and watch videos on how to play it... eventually you'll be having fun with it.

[@BlackBustnMoves]

Day 36 of asking Defyn to play the Me 410. Cmon man.

[@sliccricc1654]

L I K E L I H O O D

[@Pxslz]

9:34 I need some :(

[@icantsleepman]

🤨

[@Pxslz]

@ 🤔

[@Toblerone-j1t]

Incredible how both 13.0 and 12.0 manage to be the worst matchmaker, maybe gaijin should try their hand at balancing or decompressing... oh wait

[@vassowned7768]

Can content creators maybe ask for different game modes or smaller player sizes

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

This could easily be 13.3..

[@vokqe]

How to fix top tier: introduce missions where players are put into teams of 9 (3 bombers, 3 multi role, and 3 fighters, or something like that)

[@WaterDuckzz]

they would never do it though

[@covidius9511]

uuhh how exactly would that help? given that most top tiers are multirole

[@konteen2666]

MiG-29G 😢

[@kurnass2000]

This should of been foldered under the su27S or the yak141, the squadron Vegicle should of been a mig25

[@ccv1929]

La 200🙏 pls

[@ireilax8090]

why did you decide to shot an ir missle at the incoming missle in the first clip?

[@morgus9892]

To kill it? He wasn't in a position to defend against it.

[@ihysro404]

Because it was fuckin awesome

[@ireilax8090]

@@morgus9892 oh mb i tought his missle saves his missle

[@braedenpatterson3228]

Cmon man, the plane is fun

[@Somegoofballscrub]

sew therty tree flankur

[@СергейСердюк94]

Mike tyson. Thukhoi thirtry thtree 😂

[@dwarow2508]

Still don't get why they nerfed its engines so much. This thing on low combat load should easily out-accelerate any Eurofighter, Rafale or even Su-27

[@RienRocks]

Bro is dreaming

[@dwarow2508]

@RienRocks Bro is coping

[@stellarmadman]

But ruska playn faster!! Damn those amerikan bias, my ruska plane is beest!!121

[@dwarow2508]

@stellarmadman But muh 'murican plane faster!! Damn those ruskie bias, muh 'murican plane is beeeest!! 121

[@Cookedkoch]

Its impossible to grjnd this sh*t rn rigth?

[@F-14-W]

Check out the 13.0 viggen again if you want cock and ball torture that and they fixed it’s fm and gave it datalink channel of 4 so all the main issues you had when you first reviewed it are fixed

[@DEFYN]

"fixed fm" its hardly noticeable, the only real change is the datalink

[@F-14-W]

@ oh

[@StiveGuy]

12.7 suffers

[@Frost_x_NB]

Bro those ERs are so broken. Lmfaoooo

[@Ricktheminer]

They need to fix the Flightmodels of the MiG 29 and the Su 27s Since we got the Eurofighter now, and there is no reason to fly/Grind russias top tier

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

Su27s had their fms fixed. They are fine in the dogfights, and are way faster in practice. Mig29 is another story, it still flies like a mig21

[@Ricktheminer]

@ВячеславФролов-д7я they god Buffed bur I droubt that they are realistic in slow speed now. But shure it might be better

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

@Ricktheminer now they loose way less speed in 900-500 kph turns, making them being able to pull multiple high g turns at their optimal rate speed before reaching a stall maneuvering zone. From my experience, that's enough to beat other toptier planes if they make mistakes

[@krish0999]

As a Russian main I’d like to ask all the wallet warriors reading this, DON’T BUY IT.

[@Cibohos]

daddy, daddy, show me how you fly the Mitsubishi F-1 pweease

[@domi_1855]

Day 7 of asking Defyn to Stream WoWs.

[@Denkmaldrubernacht]

REPUBLICAN DEFYNNN RANGERSSS

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

Gaijin, simple fix. Make it so that if it equips only R-27R/T then it can’t fight above 13.0/3. Honestly this could be applied to a lot of different vehicles and would solve a ton of problems.

[@raketny_hvost]

read again what you said. these imbeciles can't fix single flight model or radar for years and you ask for some supercomplicated task