DeGoogle the Pixel 8 Pro | Installing and Using GrapheneOS

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[@CozyLivingMachine]

Pixel 8 Pro: Google Pixel 8 Pro: amzn.to/3w8vfS8

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

As far as I’m concerned, if there is information you wouldn’t want the government collecting on you, then you shouldn’t allow big corporations to collect it either because the government simply partners with those big companies to collect that information on their behalf.

[@deaft_shot4489]

or pay/order them to give it up

[@shreddykrueger22]

Right on time, ordered my Pixel 8 Pro and definitely installing Graphene! Loved it on my P7 Pro. Love your content as always man. Cheers!

[@DrivingYT-hy5bt]

Did the AI Editing.... Carry over to graphene?

[@swagginfarmer]

Great video. Exactly what I've been looking for. Thanks.

[@ToxicBuilt]

Even if someone doesn't care about the privacy aspect of this, then they should still do this because all the telementry in default Android drains battery life, so installing Graphene will actually make your phone last longer

[@mortenrongsted7006]

wauw . That was the best precentation i've seen in ages...😀👏🏾 Thank you

[@mauriceatron]

Thanks mate for the video. That's full of the info that prospect GrapheneOS users want to know

[@martykong3592]

:) THANKS MUCH for GREAT update and video! ALL the BEST and will order a Pixel 7a soon :) ALL the BEST and Cheers! :) WELL DONE indeed! !

[@cyberxspeed]

I plan on getting the regular Pixel 8 and install graphene. I just hope the better life is improved.

[@axellondon5015]

Thank you for the video, I wasn't sure if to install GrapheneOs but now I'll definitely do it! 💪⚡

[@caimano55]

Amazing content sir!

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Thank you kindly!

[@ama-tu-an-ki]

btw, the Profiles do not block tracking by IMEI or phone number (SIM or eSIM). Once google system knows your IMEI/SIM-card, it can track you across profiles (any one of those that need access to Internet and/or access to Google systems). Just FYI for newbies, OP knows this.

[@jw-dm6in]

so would using only the aurora store and other foss app stores instead of sandboxed google play store and all of its frameworks combat that?

[@thedoctor8381]

Always recommend a sim swap and never turn on and connect to your home wifi to setup.

[@DJ_Driven]

Well what about when you set up your Cellular sim card account with a carrier like Google Fi, Verizon, AT&T? They're going to know who you are as well.

[@noinfo1978]

Please comment if this is accurate but I thought you could turn on the setting for randomizing the I M EI and you buy a SIM card that doesn't track you like mint mobile

[@Jenny-px5tu]

As far as I know that is correct

[@jackpot9469]

Exactly the video I wanted to see! Thanks. And I'm into vanlife too, so you get a new subscriber :) However, does Waze work ?

[@dregsi76]

Hi dude, long time no see, my fault. As complete a review as I've seen. Once again smashing it out the park.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Hey, thanks! 😊

[@futon02]

thanks a ton, you made this so easy

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Glad to hear it!

[@user-ub9on4ww1v]

thanks very informative, planning to get pixel 8 and flash this coming from iphone 13 mini.

[@awangjeme2531]

Great demo

[@braaitongs]

So graphene already supports 8 pro! that is cool. I was condering get this phone specifically because I hoped graphene would support it.

[@johneaglin7541]

Thanks for doing these pixel/android videos! I like OS systems like Android just because you can customize them the way that works best for you. 😊

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Happy to share! I just think it's great that folks have so many options. If you want the latest and greatest features, the AI and don't mind the tracking, there are many great options. And if you prefer a great experience, a little less AI, while also being able to preserve your privacy, it's wonderful to also have the option!

[@jimmyp3658]

Got a pixel 8 coming soon i might put this on here im still watching the video to see if the camera changes or face id still works for bank apps n shit this video is a lot easier to watch than other ones

[@greatwhitewing]

Very well done video. Just about talked me into it

[@georges4562]

Good morning ! Great how to video ! I should only be allowed to use a “flip phone” 😂😂😂

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Good morning! Hahaha no, you're clearly very tech-capable still! With all your fancy gadgets and gizmos. Mr. iPad! 😂

[@georges4562]

@@CozyLivingMachine 🤣😂

[@alexhnd552]

Glad iodé now supports the Pixel 8 pro :D

[@pursuitforspeed]

Nice. I need a new phone and have been looking at what I should get. I've run custom ROMs in my last few phones - mostly Lineage or Divest on Oneplus, but thinking about buying a Pixel to give Graphene a go. Only thing I don't like is having to give Google my money. lol

[@Lup3r]

On videos like this you should add in chapters. It's super long and I want to see specific parts, but I have to skip around a lot to find what I'm looking for

[@infraredsquirrel3683]

Hello, I plan on buying the pixel today. Is there a storage manager with graphene? And how much memory do you gain from degoogling? Thanks

[@dallasrasmussen9206]

I’d like to add all my contacts and some other stuff, can I do this? And should I add them before or after I install this new system? Thanks for all the help!!

[@guill222]

I've been thinking about switching to GrapheneOS, but your video makes it really easy. 1. Does it void my warranty 2. Does Graphene have a Wallet or Pay feature or can I just from Google's Play Services. Thank you!

[@ariztotelez007]

Hi. Beautiful. Tanx great video. Im jumping from years on iphone. Using Chromium on mac, flashing Pix8a.

[@adrienb.5385]

Great video thanks 👍 ! Next move will be to replace that macbook by a linux desktop 😉 Would love to see a video of that move. One question ; What makes you prefer GrapheneOS over Calyxos ? Thanks for your great videos.

[@-aexc-]

i didnt realise you didnt give uo the camera stuff for graphene. really regretting getting an s23 right about now

[@lineax5927]

Have you tested the phone (with Graphene) while monitoring through wireshark? Technically its possible for google to implement tracking in the firmware. Have you tested that by connecting it with lan and booting. If its tracking baked into the firmware you should be able to see it connecting to it in the wireshark monitoring.

[@false_positive]

My next main phone, unequivocally. Been waiting for video about p8pro with graphene already a month and this is the first on youtube at last! p.s. I like it when people say "dAta" not that "dAYta", a plus for you aswell 👍🏻

[@josephwanjiku6853]

Star Trek Dayta

[@anbkn5]

Love your videos man! Super specific question, can you remove the navigation bar? I heard you can't on stock pixels.. that'd drive me crazy but I can live with it haha

[@Stardenver]

Not true. You can

[@AyukaAmameth]

​@@Stardenveru cant :)

[@Stardenver]

@@AyukaAmameth Are we talking about the bar with home, back and apps overview? If so, you can remove it and navigate with gestures.

[@Unpopular_0pinion]

I've got a stock 6a and you can turn off the navigation bar and only have gesture. You cannot however reverse the "back" and "recents" on the nav bar, or remove the multi function google search bar just above the nav bar ​@@AyukaAmameth

[@michael49789]

Hi Joel, thanks for this “short update” of your previous video about installing GrapheneOS (on Pixel 7 Pro)! Unfortunately the sharpness of the showed displays isn't so good (autofocus of your GoPro?), but for beginners there is the “pause” function on YT, right? 😉 Important, this time not showed detailed: don't forget to lock the boot loader again after installing GrapheneOS! This is also a great advantage of GrapheneOS, because other custom roms can't do this - they aren't so secure.

[@Plazmal]

4 months late, but you can relock it on a Calyx, and really most other ROMs for the pixels. A rom like Lineage can't though since it's made with other phone models in mind (and most other model a don't allow locking with a custom signing key)

[@michael49789]

​@@PlazmalThank you, good to know, but I prefer a very secure solution and this needs Verified Boot. Impossible without a secure element as the Titan M2 chip.

[@Plazmal]

@@michael49789 Calyx uses the Titan M on the Pixels. Graphene is more secure in other ways but Calyx & The stock rom have verified boot & utilize Titan M for encryption. Any rom can on Pixels.

[@Plazmal]

@@michael49789 What I will say here is, GrapheneOS for a security use case is the best option due to hardening it does in the OS. All I'm saying is utilization of Titan M and having verified boot is not unique to Graphene. Calyx, for example, also has verified boot with a locked bootloader and utilizes the Titan M for encryption. (When they are installed on a Pixel phone).

[@Plazmal]

@@michael49789 The main thing I'm saying here is CalyxOS and some other ROMs do have verified boot with locked bootloader, and do utilize Titan M for encryption. GrapheneOS is the best for security due to OS hardening they have done, but the Titan M & verified boot is not unique to Graphene.

[@nauxsi]

Will it improve battery life on pixel 8?

[@AskIveSolar]

I'll have to watch some reviews on this. I typically just go lineage with no gaps and fdroid and aurora

[@CozyLivingMachine]

I see you're a real geek and also run a de-googled system!

[@mike9119]

Does this void manufactures warranty's OR if you buy a refurbished phone off ebay, comes with the 1yr warranty does it void it?

[@xE92vD]

14:26 exactly how I think, nice.

[@kylenorris9585]

Can you select apps that are phone specific to inject into the rom like Motorola has a desktop app called Ready for that I wouldnt want to loose

[@markjh1111]

Was wondering if I could sign in and use Google Voice and if it could be sandboxed away from everything else to maintain privacy?

[@robfre70]

Hi, what about the thing people say about removing f-Droid because it is dangerous? I installed it the way you have shown us. All works fine till now. Thankx mate. Greets From Germany

[@satoshi_corner]

Can you still you the eSim function. Planning on getting one from silentlink for data

[@johnny257]

Great video. Any noticeable battery life improvements?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Thanks! No real changes that I've noticed, but I suspect that's because apps like Signal check in frequently and always run in the background. Not a big deal, but I suspect that's why mine doesn't seem significantly improved over the stock ROM.

[@vrilgod4176]

@@CozyLivingMachine Battery life will probably be worse if you don't use google services since without it the apps are forced to ping the internet for notifications constantly. Google services does that for you on regular androids so no battery draw

[@kayf7073]

@@CozyLivingMachine If you like grapheneos because you are privacy and security concerned person, try to replace your other messengers like signal and three etc by sessions where possible Great video though

[@limpep]

Does banking apps work?

[@hectoralicea1233]

Thanks for video, the e-sim connectivity work on grapheneos?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Of course! And because I don't use eSIM, this should help with that question: github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/159

[@quadsis5569]

thanks

[@kylenorris9585]

What about phones that arent listed my Moto Edge Plus 2023 would be great

[@noad9977]

How is your experience with the fingerprint sensor on the pixel 8? I planning on getting one too but since my parents are frustrated with their pixel 6a s fingerprint inly working 50% of the time, Im quiet unsure whether to buy or not.

[@seankim5827]

Personally I was apprehensive about my pixel 8 pros fingerprint sensor. But to my surprise it works well. With it being optical it also works when your fingers are wet, so that's cool. I do have a plastic screen protector not a glass one tho. Maybe that might make a difference.

[@TheMrmmkkpro]

I have got a unlocked P8P coming , i have no clue how to do this , im afraid i would mess it up , but id like to do it.

[@jeanelchinger1660]

I just tried the Magic Eraser feature on latest GrapheneOS with Google Photos no network. But I got a message: Can't install more editing tools. An internet connection is required to install more editing tools. When I allow internet connection it works, but that's no the point right.

[@tylerziesler]

Quick question, what do you mean by the camera is not as good? is there less features, or are the pictures worse quality?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

The default camera app does have less features, though the image quality and dynamic range is significantly lower than the GCam app

[@gokitegokite8801]

hi , can U Help what to do when graphenos installer stops at fastbootd ... just saying restarting device but nothing happens

[@DJ_Driven]

How are the Android security updates handled once you make the switch to graphene OS on the pixel 8 Pro?

[@1albumamonth]

The GrapheneOS team typically has the update ready within the day, maybe two days AT MOST, after it has been released for pixel devices. Honestly, it's generally better than most OEMs when it comes to updates. I think I had to wait about a week to get android 14 on my pixel 5?

[@user-rz2cr7fv5g]

Good morning Is there an app that resets the phone if there are several false unlock codes?

[@twoospeak2962]

I haven't rooted a phone in so long because I've pretty much been able to customize my galaxy devices but i just switched 5o the pixel and i hate the font & emojis lol

[@luckychukiye8743]

Thanks! Got my first proper Pixel & was looking for a tutorial on this. Side note. I got the Watch that came with the Google purchase. Will that work under Graphine ?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Awesome! And it will work well as I understand it. I sold the watch, so I can't confirm every detail, but you'll likely just need the sandboxed Google Play Services and give the Pixel Watch app ability to search nearby devices!

[@luckychukiye8743]

@@CozyLivingMachine Great! Will give it a go & report!

[@DJ_Driven]

​@@CozyLivingMachinewhat about the pixel to watch with LTE? Was originally planning on running it on Google Fi as it's included in my plan to add the watch for free.

[@webbfast]

So face unlock works just the same on this? Does anyone know?

[@andrew6061]

If im correct doesn't the pixel hardware specifically the new processor collect data now with the new pixel?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

I've not heard of that. They do have co-processors such as the TrustZone that has a separate OS, but nothing that I've heard of that collects specific data and sends your private information out.

[@jessstone7486]

Interesting. I went to the website and followed along as you clicked. Looks like I could do - important as I'm not tech savvy. But, I'm not sure I need this, as I've got the no access/no network permissions very well turned off, on this Motorola phone. I only use the phone *as* a phone, I sometimes check email, & have signal, & zello turned on, basically never use wifi, ie duckduckgo and my gps is not enabled. Do I need this? Your thoughts appreciated.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

That's a great question! While you can't do this on a non-Google manufactured phone, there might be alternatives for Motorola models like LineageOS or CalyxOS and the like. Do you need it? I suppose it comes down to whether you care about the tracking that happens by default. Personally, I do, but others may not! The network permission controls may or may not actually perform as they should, that one's hard to say, but the Google software usually overrides any network access control permission sets and cannot be turned off. Not to make it too complicated but to answer if it's needed... It depends on whether or not you care about Google's access to your location, app usage/interactions, etc. I wish it were a little simpler!

[@cyberxspeed]

I've been using GrapheneOS on my Pixel 8 for a week now. The 2 major issues I've been having is the Capital One app access by fingerprint login not working and receiving no notification on incoming calls the first time. Never had these issues when I was using CalyxOS on my Pixel 3a XL. I understand Pixel 8 is still new so maybe there will be updates to fix these bugs. The compatibility option didn't work.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Super weird, I don't use the Capital One app, but my fingerprint is working like it should in two other apps that allow biometric access, including a banking app! No issues with calls either thankfully. It may be a huge pain, but could be worth resetting and reinstalling GOS one more time... That's so strange!

[@noinfo1978]

Have you tried sandboxing Google Play services and seeing if it helps. I know all about the intrusiveness about Google play but you can turn any setting off when sitting and graphing OS)

[@MR-nl8xr]

I still can't wrap my head around people using their phone device for banking anything. I sweat every time I have to log in into my bank account using a browser on my phone, for an emergency.

[@karanthakkar04]

Which screen protector are you using?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

amzn.to/47X5YYT :)

[@b.h.8137]

Hi! Does the camera quality get worse if you use GrapheneOS? (This might be a stupid question, but I figured it would, because it's more about image processing than hardware.)

[@CozyLivingMachine]

That's a good question! Not at all. You just download the Google Pixel Cam app, select what permissions you choose to give and it works exactly the same. Not s single difference. 👌

[@b.h.8137]

@@CozyLivingMachine Wow! Good to know. Thanks! 🙂

[@DrivingYT-hy5bt]

@@CozyLivingMachine so the AI edit features that the 8series gains over the 7series..... All that AI edit tools transfers over?.. Thanks in adv

[@apflewis]

"Some folks may argue that it's for advertising purposes ..." Here is my proposition to address this. All data relating to an individual and any meta data pertaining to that individual, is the property of that individual. Use and processing of that information should be at the discretion of that individual, who may rent such information to any vendor if he/she so chooses. The individual may also revoke that permission at any time. Back on topic, just bought myself a second hand Pixel 7a and Graphene-ated it - which turned out to be surprisingly easy.

[@gb747gb]

Will my photos be lost during the OS change?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Yes, everything will be erased. Make sure to back up!

[@ChristopherHsu]

For built in screen recording does capturing audio with video calls? Such as Instagram or Facebook?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Yep, works perfectly.

[@ChristopherHsu]

Any chance you can provide a demo of this working? I am having zero success with stock android. Thank you!@@CozyLivingMachine

[@DanSlotea]

What I would miss is NFC payments. Or at least Google Pay.

[@havean1time]

If there is a new Release in the Stable Chanel for GrapheneOS is an update like a new installation? Do I loose all settings apps etc on the phone?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

It's just like a normal upgrade, no loss of settings and files unless something went very wrong!

[@havean1time]

@@CozyLivingMachine well that sounds awesome. So there is in the Android the Menü to check for updates and can be used to install the current release?

[@axi6ne8us]

They should implement a dual boot OS function.

[@StripesInTheYT]

They did. DSU (dynamic system updates). It's only with GSIs though.

[@axi6ne8us]

@@StripesInTheYT What's GSI?

[@StripesInTheYT]

@@axi6ne8us Generic System Image, it's basically like a custom ROM, but for any Android (as long as they support dynamic updates)

[@TheFurymaker]

how are the animations with 3rd party launchers? Are they broken or do they work fine? Like gesture navigation, closing the apps, etc. It's broken on regular android 14

[@mike9119]

Does google map while using GraphenOS able to track you and get your info to sell your info, i.e. insurance company's?

[@c.m.7037]

You can have a side profile that loads google services for maps when needed and then switch/shutdown profiles so it stops telemetry data.

[@mikelandry2007]

QUESTION: Will Graphene OS be able to disable AI functions on the Pixel 8 Pro? I don't want AI to work at all since it is extremely dangerous.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Yes. No AI that you don't add yourself. I'm in the same boat as you in terms of distrust of any of this "intelligence"

[@trapart716]

I purchased my Pixel 8 directly from T-mobile and the OEM Unlocking option is greyed out. Is there a work around for this?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Unfortunately not, it sounds like it's factory locked currently! You may be able to get T-Mobile to unlock it, or return it and buy from Best Buy or the like.

[@trapart716]

@@CozyLivingMachine That's the conclusion I came too as well. Going to try some social engineering with them and see what I can accomplish, thanks for the prompt reply!

[@MR-nl8xr]

@@trapart716The world we live in, that we have to "social engineer" anything to the company we bought OUR product from. Who needs who these days? You guessed it; smfh. And that's why I support anything and everything like GOS. The more people start getting on the F U band wagon to elitist companies & entities, the better we are. Sadly, the world is stuck on Iphone. :(

[@Authoratah]

The only thing I don’t like about Pixel 8...is that it's 5G I may just get the Pixel 4

[@user-rk2sy8df4s]

Did you try backup on your old phone and restore on the new one? How did it work out?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

I did not, so I can't say. I imagine it's a decent experience still, but I don't keep much of anything other than specific, useful apps and a handful of pictures, so I just saved the photos manually before trading in!

[@xpoint9629]

So I can basically use this OS on my pixel 5?

[@xE92vD]

yeah pixel 5 has its support extended by grapheneOS. Install it.

[@xpoint9629]

Do you know how the extension is?@@xE92vD

[@johncuvox]

Which system is better to use in Russia to ensure security and privacy from the current regime terror: Android OS or GrapheneOS? Handsome, please tell me and advise! Thanks a lot in advance.

[@gokitegokite8801]

just got stucked at fastbootd

[@macjackson8919]

I'd like to see if you could get Android Auto to work.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Unfortunately, that isn't an option yet! But hopefully there will be a work around soon!

[@Zatsando]

As of the start of 2024 Android Auto it works and with no extra dependencies except from google play services. @@CozyLivingMachine

[@arrayindexoutofboundsexcep1088]

Are there any downsides?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

While CarPlay is now available, which is awesome, I am not able to create a "work profile" so Teams and Outlook won't work because of my company InTune policy. However, that's the only thing that I ever have issues with. Much more control, all of the apps that I need and want to use, no issues at all otherwise!

[@arrayindexoutofboundsexcep1088]

@@CozyLivingMachine thank you very much for your reply, sir! Great video

[@FWild-eb1rd]

I dont think Apple is worser than Android (Google) but really concerning how many Information they get.

[@dudi2200]

Can you make sure it's really private and safe? I know it's open source but has anyone actually analyzed the code and checked if it's safe and no spyware

[@soundsnags2001]

Yes, it's extremely peer reviewed

[@dudi2200]

@@soundsnags2001 ok and how can you make sure the web installer install the same source code and not inject something else? Also about the binaries their source code can't be viewed

[@soundsnags2001]

@@dudi2200 were you asking a question or setting a stage? Good luck bud.

[@nottechytutorials]

Only thing I don't like about the Google pixel is that they don't have audio jacks. I thought Apple was the only one who did that with their phones.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Every manufacturer is doing that with most, if not all of their phones. Pros and cons, for sure!

[@nottechytutorials]

@@CozyLivingMachine I still got it! And I followed your video and read the article. It was a bit scary but reassuring knowing exactly how the process would look like.

[@gameearn8351]

can we install graphene os on OPPO phones or just GOOGLE phones

[@CozyLivingMachine]

This is just on the Google Pixel devices, you'll want to check out LineageOS or another distro!

[@dogzillamonster]

Well explained. Me, am not actually worried about whatever tracking happens on my iPhone since there is nothing at all incriminating in what I do and since there are a few conveniences if 'they' know my preferences and interests. 'They' is just some algorithm, there is no human who cares a whit about wasting time tracking me :)

[@fsl72]

This is needs to be said more among privacy fear mongerers. Nobody cares about the vast majority of us. (Not accusing the person in the video of fear mongering - he does it out of personal preference)

[@RamblinRoadies]

Until what you do is arbitrarily declared illegal.

[@kingvinoda3896]

Do you not close the door when you go to the bathroom? You should care about who gets to see what you see.

[@dogzillamonster]

@@MaakBow I honestly don't care if I get pigeon-holed by some-whatever algorithm, it's all about just trying to sell crap. There is no 'They' there, who gives a sh*t. :) Am a decades long software guy and do understand. Some folks may think they are so important that a 'they' cares a dang what they do. I am not one of them :D

[@adamking6140]

​@@dogzillamonsterpolice pull Google data tens of thousands of times per year on random citizens and majority of it isn't what they are looking for, yet they still access your data history. I also don't like the idea of a profile being built on me for years, and with the digital world rapidly evolving, we don't know where this is headed exactly. I have nothing to hide but what happens when this data is leaked? Sure, "they" are just trying to advertise to us, but what happens when they accidentally leak our data to the wrong "they'

[@LONEWOLF6523-gc3dv]

FACT: If you don't want the police to access your phone via your finger print, don't use it. Legally, it's the same as them forcing your fingers to do a fingerprint, ergo think hard and fast about this suggestion.

[@CozyLivingMachine]

Yep! Biometric data isn't covered under the 4th amendment in the same way our knowledge and right to not self incriminate with our own speech is!

[@Broyyyyyy]

This is the most annoying phone Ive ever had the displeasure of using... BAR NONE... I hate this thing

[@Hoerli]

Have you tried installing microG and using it as a Google Service?

[@CozyLivingMachine]

MicroG isn't compatible with GrapheneOS. There's a technical reason, but there are libraries missing that are required by MicroG, as I understand it!

[@michael49789]

Hi Hoerli, microG isn't so good in privacy and also technically the GrapheneOS devs made the right decision to optimize their remedy with sandboxed Google Services. I have experience with both (Fairphones with /e/ OS) and if you really need Google Services because of apps they need it, then sandboxed Google Services is the better solution. Also because of energy consumption: if you need Push Notification Service for messengers like Session, Signal or SimpleX Chat, they need much less energy in fast mode without running them permanently in background. Another disadvantage of microG: it's a cat & mouse game: they try to simulate Google Services and Google changes sometimes their API etc. to disturb microG. You as customer sit between the chairs …