This Deck Could Become a Problem...

Arishem recently came out and the deck has been taking over ladder and conquest! Marvel Snaps newest card might be popular for now, and sentiment seems still positive, but I'm worried soon it'll be seen as a problem. I think that there's still time to find counters and what not, but it seems SUPER STRONG so far! I wanted to feature a deck without Loki, even though he is a great way to mulligan away your bad RNG in favor of your opponents cards!
I know a lot of the builds with Loki will probably start being everywhere, and I think that the problem with Arishem decks in the future may ultimately just be Loki.
00:00 Intro, Stats, Deck Overview, Thoughts on Arishem
03:42 Games Begin
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[@denrise3113]

i don't think the card is too op, it's definitely fun and innovative but after all the hype is gone we need to see if it's actually competitive or not, i just hope they won't nerf it so soon

[@rmelo2382]

it is basically op with loki all other decks are at a disadvantage against it since you can run every counter in the game . i’ve been double shang chid and rogue and everything in between when i didn’t play him

[@Ruisu07]

​@@rmelo2382it's not op at all I reached infinite off beating arishem players I played negative hawk hawk counters arishem and negative makes enemy Loki useless truthly arishem is everywhere because it's fun it's definitely not op at all it's a good conquest card tho

[@rmelo2382]

@@Ruisu07 negative hawk is trash against everything else

[@gagolas2267]

@@rmelo2382 Loki is the op one lol. He has always been op. People just forgot about it because hela and prof X (decks relatively strong against Loki) were so prevalent for so long. In fact, you can remove Arishem and play just Loki with DH. You're going to win more.

[@rmelo2382]

@@gagolas2267 yeah true i hate loki

[@joeknapp9162]

All the different Blob interactions are brand new to me, love how powerful he is with Arishem

[@InBalrog]

That coulson move on lukes bar was so frkn dope. 😍

[@gagolas2267]

I've been playing Alioth in my Arishem deck in conquest and he performs really well in the deck even without pegasus hot location.

[@ksemi]

Mystique and Rogue copying Blob's on-reveal is BS, they should just copy the On-Going effect which should just make them unmovable. I hope they will fix that sooner rather than later.

[@Thebiggestgordon]

It might be harder to add that because currently mystique completely removes the og cards effect and gives it the ! icon, atm they don’t have any icons or status for a card to have just part of its ability removed.

[@ksemi]

@@Thebiggestgordon I agree that the "silenced" icon is a problem that SD would have to figure out but the main issue is not the UI but the fact that Rogue and Mystique are able to repeat an On-Reveal effect while their text is clearly mentioning that they are copying/stealing the On-Going ability. Just like Absorbing Man should not copy the On-Going Ability but only repeat the On-Reveal effect. I'd rather see a silenced card having his on-reveal effect repeated than this bug that everybody is exploiting right now...

[@paydayjay717]

SD may change that encounter but it’s not a bug. Although mystique and rouge mention ongoing, the effect they do is steal the text which literally means all of the text on the target card.

[@ksemi]

@@paydayjay717 Yes, I should have said that I hope they will "modify" their texts, not "fix" them since it's not a bug indeed, just a bad formulation. It's the same for Absorbing Man copying On-Going effect by the way, even if it's less of an issue right now, it could still be one with future cards. I still think the way they are working now was not intended, they made their text when there was no cards with both OG and OR abilities so it wasn't a problem back then. It is now and a little of back-testing before releasing cards would have prevented that. I really hope they will modify it when they will update the game for the new "Activate" ability. Mostly for Mystique since the issues with Rogue and Absorbing Man are more circumstancial and less problematics.

[@MVVibes-tr7hd]

This Deck is awesome! New card definitely seems like a fun card to play!

[@KHobbE]

ty for video great job dekkmen)))

[@GSchneeglockchen]

Its really funny seeing darkhawk with huge power in hand in these arishem mirrors lmao

[@chapliito]

Arishem playstyle feels little bit like draft mode. Lots of fun! :D

[@leonkennedy1405]

8:45 I had a player use professorx and the card I played got pulled out by a location, I assume you can use a card like ghost spider to pull one out as well Also, what would be a good replacement for Sersi? She’s the only card I don’t have in your list here

[@peepsqueak2099]

Are the extra cards from Arishem can't be upgraded? because my Arishem already have blue border but the extra cards don't have it

[@Cain81242]

I really like the new playstyle that Arishem brings to the game. However, they really gotta fix that double Blob interaction w Mystique and Rogue. Abs Man I understand because he copies the On Reveal text, but the 'On Reveal' and 'Ongoing' effects in Blob's text read as two separate abilities and should operate as such within every interaction consistency. If the On Reveal text is truly separate from the Ongoing text, then make Rogue/Mystique strictly immovable without the added power if used on him and Abs Man only having the added power but able to be moved if used on him. If the 2 texts are together, then make Blob's power go back down to zero if he gets Enchantress'd. Not like someone's ever tried this, but if you Rogue or Mystique an Electro, will it activate the "+1 max energy" On Reveal text again?

[@LeodSMW]

My biggest issue with arishem is that it's literally impossible to strategize. They could be holding any card in their hand, they might be able to counter any play just as likely as any other.

[@Faltzerbeast90]

THANK YOU!! I got into with some dude on reddit who was like ooo stop depending on meta memorization and I'm like what? Reading /hard read counter is barely possible against this deck. especially in conquest. Go figure everyone's hitting infinite

[@Thebiggestgordon]

What if both players could click on arishem to see which cards he’s added to the deck? That way he’s possible to play around

[@Thebiggestgordon]

IMO a reasonable change to this card would be letting BOTH players click the card to see what he added to the deck, it’s a little bit of a nerf (needed) and lets the opponent play around it a little bit

[@koonfasa]

lol, I’m still deciding whether I want him.

[@randomhero6365]

Mana cheat in card games broken? Never saw that coming

[@APSx_]

i think the only way imo to nerf him is to nerf blob and maybe darkhawk. or like how you can mystique or absorbing man the blob

[@ksemi]

Yes the way Rogue, Absorbing and Mystique work is BS and need to be reworked.

[@Retromann1899]

Remove ongoing text in blob maybe help

[@ksemi]

@@Retromann1899 No, the problem is the previous change of Rogue, Mystique and Absorbing man in order to take both effects of the Thanos Stones. They need to be reverted or it will be an issue for all future cards that would have both On-Going and On-Reveal.

[@robertommb]

Arsh + Phastos + Thanos + Jane Foster !!!🎉

[@Thebiggestgordon]

Good luck drawing phastos and Jane with your 30 card deck lol

[@silencingmachine2671]

I went blob turn 5 into mystique absman on turn 6.

[@KojojoMojo]

Need 700 gold Arish Varient mannnnn

[@aria0426]

Time to bust out the mobius I guess. Cus I don’t think it’s quite fair to have arishem with loki/quinjet/mockingbird. I went against someone who dropped 2 quinjets turn 1. Like wtf

[@Faltzerbeast90]

Two sunspots for me which ended up winning the game for him 😂

[@TheOriginalMomo]

Lmaoo yeah I just beat a guy with the double sunspot, I’m playing Xunzzz’ control deck

[@Faltzerbeast90]

Yeah hes borderline OP due to the the advantage of not knowing what youre playing against 😅...conquest is all about learning and adjusting how the fook you gonna do that if their deck changes each game. Plus all the tech cards, fury/coulson which mitigate the randomness.

[@dominiccorbeil9442]

I didn't get Arishem yet and everyone is playing it... so I'm playing a clog darkhawk deck against it, which actually works pretty well so far

[@Faltzerbeast90]

Same I win 7/10

[@JamesJohnsonQ]

I don't have Arishem but something just feels off about the card idk. Somehow with a 24 card deck people always have the cards/answer they need.

[@gagolas2267]

@@JamesJohnsonQ If it is a card you need by turn 6 (say chi or blob) you have a 9/24 chance of drawing it. So a bit over 1/3. It's not that unlikely for it to happen, but it does feel frustrating when the oponent rolls well. I get you.

[@izikmiddleton9996]

Why didn’t coulson get sent back to hand from Luke’s bar?

[@ricdoe5130]

Full hand.

[@izikmiddleton9996]

@@ricdoe5130 ah.

[@LuisGuzman-xw2rw]

Thank you I was wondering the same haha

[@ZelelWhite]

I think they eventually have to remove the 1 max mana on the card, it feels pointless to play anything that isnt Arishem or a deck that is targeting Arishem specifically currently. No matter how fun it is to play the card, it sucks facing it.

[@justinwaller9665]

That's the worst change idea I have ever heard the extra energy is literally what makes him playable remove that and he's good as dead.

[@Baldwin-00]

So Mystique can copy all of the card text and not only ongoing effect, that's cool (but her text is wrong thought?)

[@gagolas2267]

No? She does say copy the text of the last ongoing card played. Been that way for a year already, it was a buff made so she could copy Thanos stones draw on reveal back then. They made all the copy steal cards that way eventually. So Rogue and abs man work the same way (in absman's case, he becomes an ongoing as well)

[@jacopominarini6932]

I have 100% wr vs arishem. Im enjoying a lot playing vs him🤣 already 2 infinite tickets completed with 0 efforts

[@thire10]

What deck are you playing?

[@jacopominarini6932]

@@thire10 # (2) Daredevil # (2) Master Mold # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Maximus # (3) Mystique # (3) Negasonic Teenage Warhead # (3) Rogue # (3) Cosmo # (3) Gladiator # (4) Supergiant # (5) Darkhawk # (5) Ronan the Accuser # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ29zbW8ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRhcmVkZXZpbCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR2xhZGlhdG9yIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKZWZmVGhlQmFieUxhbmRTaGFyayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmVnYXNvbmljVGVlbmFnZVdhcmhlYWQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlN1cGVyZ2lhbnQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRhcmtoYXdrIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYXN0ZXJNb2xkIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYXhpbXVzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNeXN0aXF1ZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUm9ndWUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJvbmFuIn1dfQ== # #idk if you are an experencied player or not, but if you want some advice feel free to ask💪🏻

[@jacopominarini6932]

@@thire10 bro can you see my answer? i just posted 2 times the deck and seems my answer doesn't get uploaded...

[@jacopominarini6932]

@@thire10 i try to write it for you. - daredevil - master mold - jeff - maximus - mystique - negasonic - rogue - cosmo - gladiator - supergiant - darkhawk - ronan idk if you are an experienced player or not but feel free to ask for any advise. And i'm open for feedbacks to improve it. btw i dont remember when it was the last time i played so confident that i will win in conquest vs a deck. seems absurd see darkhawk in this deck with maximus and gladiator but i found myself playing him a lot vs arishem, and vs other decks you can hide them behind cosmo so he doesn't get smaller, but are great powerhouse for their costs. daredevil is key vs arishem cause your turn five is their turn six, so if you have priority you can cosmo, negasonic ecc... and even better if you have supergiant on 4. you can hide you darkhawk or ronan of even make a play mystike and maximus, and at 6 with darkhawk or ronan. so many creative plays. vs arishem a darkhawk + mistique is gg.

[@JAxz5]

I'm so close of getting infinite, i wanna do it without arishem, also don't hage blob

[@raoulpoeckes7199]

In my opinion Blobb is the issue not Arishem. Arishem decks are broken because of blobb cause it is like an insta win.

[@swedishZ0mBi3]

Yeah energy cheating is always cracked in snap

[@yixia6298]

Now there gonna nerf him to a knockoff Loki 😢

[@dm1984dmTW]

first? ^^

[@maxpush-up]

Darkhawk makes any Arishem game very binary. Arishem would be 10 times funnier if it didn't have the goal to counter opponent's DH

[@Marg117]

tf with the background music

[@MrsRed91]

Arishem / Loki is ruining the game for me

[@JD-hi9st]

I know I'm in the minority but it's not fun when a card completely hijacks the meta. It actually feels like you're at a disadvantage if you're not playing Arishem decks which obviously makes you want to spend money on the game. Just look at the ladder and conquest stats so far for Arishem decks. I'm honestly taking a break until the meta stabilizes again

[@gagolas2267]

Is he actually that strong? I've been spamming him on both ladder and conquest, but since all i've been playin are mirrors or DH (for wich i have every single tech card available) i can't tell if he's strong or not.

[@lefoxsportif7796]

Totally agree. Same for me

[@bimobaskoro20]

One of the reason why i quit the game, at first it seems fine, but everytime they release the new card on the pass, the meta always play around that card, which is literally pay to win 😂

he's not shaking the meta because he's too good, he's doing it because he's too popular. you are definitely NOT in a disadvantage

[@gagolas2267]

Then it's fine. People will eventually go back to other decks once they've had their fun. That's what the card felt like to me. Surprisingly strong but not meta breaking. I have not played other decks this week so i was actually worried he IS meta breaking.

[@Pablo-xn5ig]

They gonna nerf him so bad

[@setoadhi9040]

how even?

[@gagolas2267]

@@setoadhi9040 my thoughts exactly. The only way to nerf him is making more cards that counter him. Cassandra seems like a good candidate but she's more than a month away iirc. Nerfing Blob and Mocking Bird might do it though.

[@onurzby]

@@setoadhi9040random cards have -2 power

[@justinwaller9665]

I don't think so.

[@justinwaller9665]

​@@onurzbythat's just not necessary wtf does mbaku gonna do with zero power 😂😂

[@linerth9957]

The perfect card to quit the game. Thanks . I thought this time would never come..

[@APSx_]

yeah i agree. the rng is too unfair for me. and they always emote after they win it’s so bm

[@Krisses_]

Not having Arishem feels so bad that i just don't want to play the game

[@fightanddebate2682]

Why didn’t you prepare ahead of time?

[@Krisses_]

@@fightanddebate2682 I wasn't playing the game anymore, came back a few days ago

[@justinwaller9665]

Nah you're just one of these who instead of trying to play around the card by making counter measures you go crying about it cz I'm telling you there's never be any easier climb to inf then the arishem time with darkhawk.

[@Krisses_]

@@justinwaller9665 I don't have it either, the counterplay for me is to pray that he gets a bad hand

[@Nathsith]

It's not even been over a week and I've been bored of Arishem already I don't know how

[@fightanddebate2682]

Dude it’s just random cards.

[@swedishZ0mBi3]

You are probably bored with the game tbh lol

[@Nathsith]

@@swedishZ0mBi3 You're right maybe I should quit for a while