Deleted scene "The Black Cauldron" 1985

Deleted scene "The Black Cauldron" 1985

[@Fiver565]

Since Disney has been remaking animation into live action films I would much rather they remake the black cauldron and release it as a trilogy...instead of recycling already well known features (cinderella) ( jungle book) ( beauty and the beast) this deserves a remake

[@Guernicaman]

But then you just KNOW Andy Serkis will be cast as Gurgi.

[@AuthorLeepoy]

BunBun91 kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4rOgHyemqmFf6c

[@PetShopCrazy101]

Idk about that they would probably make it like a 3d animation and make the horned king look less scary and make him a happy marshmallow

[@KW-12]

They adquired rights to make a film of The Chornicles of Pyrdain, even wikipedia mentions that there is a live action project about the book. I hope they do better this time, just imagine how awesome would be The Horned King (book or Disney’s film, I don’t care) in live action.

[@LegitMan335]

BunBun91 I would love that SOOOOOO MUCH NOW THANK YOU. Come on Live action remake The Black Cauldron!!!!

[@GuillaumeK9299]

It's really sad that they deleted 12 minutes in this film! :(

[@laurynsylvain07]

Ikr

[@souch13]

i never really did understand what the fairies had to do with the film... this explains it.

[@maleriquelme92]

here at the end you can see the fairies hiding from war The Black Cauldron - Alternate Prologue I - ww.kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnW1aaSindGipdU

[@VirginiaDowdy777821]

Okay, why on Earth would they remove this scene? There's nothing non-child-friendly about this, they should've kept it in the movie

[@lowgunfire2671]

Jefferey Katzenberg's demands to cut 10 minutes from the film. (And then the bastard went and cut out nearly 20 minutes himself.)

[@Denizen-Unknown]

It's long and boring

[@Montork]

@@Denizen-Unknown it explains key plot elements.

[@joshhoffman8323]

@@lowgunfire2671 gota love Jewish executives

[@GAvillain]

I have to say that I like this version better. It was closer to the books, gave Hen Wen more purpose, and even referenced Gwydion (a major character in the book series). However, there were LOADS more deleted scenes from this movie that had to be removed to get the PG rating that Disney, unfortunately, won't release on the DVD.

[@rickymoranjr9609]

@GAvillain I agree 100% plus this scene introduced the Fair folk way better than the scene in the movie itself

[@Queenmoreta]

I wish the fairy scene stayed in, it has a much better explanation and flows so much better. You can clearly see the added 'child friendly' elements in the final version with the child fairies as they are completely absent in this deleted scene.

[@hex1740]

I really love the voice acting.

[@KW-12]

This scene alone makes a lot of things that happen in the movie have more coherence.

[@dakotawidenor9283]

I know this movie is dark, but honestly it is really good movie. It has likeable heroes, a terrifying villains,vans of course some scary scenes, but also some really tender moments. It also has a main character with flaws. Terran was a little prideful and wanted to be a hero so badly that he was willing to rain the safety of himself and his friends and it defiantly shows through out the movie. People say Ariel was a progressive Disney Princess and she was. But Alenwie came before her and she seems likes the revelation of Disney Female roles. She's smart, funny, strong, and kind. Throughout the movie she stays the voice of reason, bravery, and encouragement, she even saves Teran once or twice. And also she knows no want nor need of romantic affiliation. She and Teran don't even end up together, though it is implied a little bit. Th Balck Cauldron, to me, just seems like a Disney Movie ahead of its time and body ally understood how good of a movie it really was.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

dakota widenor Loved the film but my only issue was the ending. It seemed like the very moment the mystical sword was introduced, it didn't matter. The witches were unsually drawn to it, and yet its forked over easily and then everything seems to be ok. i thought..."Wait, what of the witches? What of the Sword?" It just felt kinda rushed at this point of the film. Also, i wondered if tge Horned King was absorbed into the Cauldron or merely exploded. Just my thoughts really....nothing valid.

[@angehanon7749]

It's no surprise that the film felt rushed (especially at the end) when you conisder how many times the production team had to alter or re-animate certain scenes to please Katzenberg. Let's not forget all the cuts that were made (almost 13 minutes O_O). I guess after 12 years of production they all wanted to get this "mess" finally out. I personally LOVE this movie but you can clearly tell which scenes were altered and/or cut. This "deleted" scene is a perfect example how much of relevant plot, character development or overall animation they had (or told to be exact) to change which is really sad :/

[@bonbonpony]

I agree. This part of the movie makes much more sense this way than the released footage.

[@Double-R-Nothing]

Hanon1506 The film was supposed to be R-rated. In fact, the R-rated cut of the movie was completely finished and shown to test audiences, who loved it. Once the movie got a new producer, however, they were told to chop, trim, replace, and even overlay new animation on top of the intended scene. Such scenes included: Princess Eilowny completely topless Taran chopping up the Horned King's henchmen with his sword The army of the dead melting Raiders of the Lost Ark style

[@dariuswatson6298]

Apparently the film was shown to family audiences in test screenings which caused the children to leave the test screening in terror. I know that the president of Disney changed during production so maybe he didn't realise that it was supposed to be for older audiences. Its a shame, I would be very interested in seeing the original version.

[@entertainmentstarz1]

I wish that Disney kept this scene b/c it's explain more about the black cauldron. I hope that Disney re-animate this deleted scene for another special edition dvd and add new scenes of dark elements on soldiers getting killed, dead bodies come to life and some other graphic stuff. But that will never happen for this movie.

[@TheRegart]

Looking this scene, it makes me wonder how the film would have been. Maybe if they turned into a joint project with another studio, kinda similar to Who Framed Roger Rabbit, they wouldn't had to throw away such beautiful animation like this and probably at the same time fix the flaws that existed in the final draft of the movie. This scene actually makes the movie's premise a bit more interesting then it already is.

[@kensuke0]

I remember this scene from those storyteller books from the 80s. I didn't realize it wasn't in the actual film.

[@KBAFourthtime]

R.I.P., Nigel Hawthorne, Susan Sheridan, and Arthur Malet.

[@KBAFourthtime]

***** Nope, Freddie Jones (Dallben), the man who voiced Creeper, and the woman who voiced Orgoch are still alive too. Besides, who knows about Bardsley's current state?

[@KBAFourthtime]

Oh, yeah.

[@KBAFourthtime]

And you mean two of the Fair Folk.

[@MajickDemoniack]

They should have just finished all the deleted scenes and left them in. Then the movie wouldn't have flopped and kick-ass adult animation would be Disney's line of work. What could have been?

[@amybarton5840]

MajickDemoniack I agree, it would of been Disney’s first mature animated film. I really wish they would of kept the violence and these cut scenes. Such a pity.

[@Medachod]

Well, maybe not primarily targeted toward adults, but more open to the idea of having a separate series of movies tailored toward a more mature audience.

[@terrancemoore9102]

Disney is mostly known to be targeted to children. This film would have been rated R if most of these scenes were still in the movie. If what your saying actually occurred then children would be terrified by the scene of Melting skin and torture.

[@manshunn842]

@@terrancemoore9102 but the film would be RATED R- why would parents go out of their way to show their kid a rated r film just because its animated? If a parent still chooses to show their kid a rated r film, then that'd be their own fault.

[@YukaiRyujin]

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! XP

[@kallejohansson816]

I dont know how this is a deleted scene, I have a vhs version of this film at home and this part is DEFINITELY in it! I've seen it, this was my favourite movie when I was little and I definitely recall this part!

[@Jess-ep6dt]

Same here

[@Jess-ep6dt]

+hi voltage or at least something like it

[@bonbonpony]

Then find someone who can digitize it and save it for generations.

[@jaimeiswithnintendoswitch3766]

Yes film and post it!

[@queen_boo]

Bon Bon this would be great.. It could be an alternate version of the film because the scenes from the final film would.mesh well with this showing the fair folk. However! Just edit where king Eideleg is and make it the not so nice version. I'm gonna ask a friend of mine who is great with digital art

[@GalaxyRoyal]

What a pity that they didn't kept this scene or else the movie woudn't be underrated. >:(

[@woozle2013]

Hey, they reused some of this music for the Great Mouse Detective! You know, the music when Flaversham is building the robot and it spews oil on Ratigan?

[@joltagegyronicthehedgehog4911]

Sergio Meza yeah and Henry Mancini the pink panther theme song too

[@weirdosheep9296]

I didn't know Henry Mancini did the Great Mouse Detective... anyway, the part I meant is at 1:30, it's probably not reused, but the similarity and the fact that Disney was working on both films at once is interesting to say the least. PS this is Woozle on a different account.

[@AntiFaGoat]

A movie is generally scored after the filming/animation is complete. These are temp tracks to fit the mood of the movie. I watched an incomplete version of "Hercules" when I was studying animation (had a dumbphone and a sharp teacher at the time so I can't prove it with video) that used tracks from "Jurassic Park" and "Rocky" for its background score.

[@EagleTimberWolf]

Quite frankly this is 1000x more whimsical than the faerie scene that made it to the final cut XD

[@laurynsylvain07]

Waaaay better

[@cupcake5579]

While most of the scenes were seamlessly removed from the film, one particular cut involving a Cauldron Born killing a person by slicing his neck and torso created a rather recognizable lapse due to the fact that the removal of the scene creates a jump in the film's soundtrack. Another scene cut featured a man being dissolved by mist.

[@Medachod]

Those cuts of violence were never finished, meaning nobody but Disney has them, assuming they weren't thrown out.

[@JJdaPK]

This version is WAAAY better due to the simple fact that it gives Hen Wen a purpose in the story. The whole first half of the Black Cauldron is about protecting Hen Wen because she can find the Cauldron, yet in the actual movie one of the Fairfolk just randomly offers up the Cauldron's location and Hen Wen doesn't do anything. This version also gives Taran and Elionwy a bit more of an interesting dynamic with them debating the best course of action in how to handle the cauldron.

[@AxiomEnigma]

lord that dog thing is pretty much gollum from LOTR

[@Metzli]

that beanstalk growing scene was so beautifully drawn, it would have been wonderful to see it fully animated :c

[@arcticwolflover263]

wish they kept this scene it looked like it would have been a interesting addition to the movie

[@rickymoranjr9609]

@arcticWolfLover I agree, it's way better than the actual scene from the movie, plus seeing the characters lifted to the surface by a giant plant was better than them getting lifted by magic lights.

[@arcticwolflover263]

@@rickymoranjr9609 ye thats why i hate censorship in animated movies some im ok with but this would honestly work really well for the movie given how dark it is

[@rickymoranjr9609]

@@arcticwolflover263 I agree, plus the Horned King was the best villain of this movie especially when he dies at the end

[@arcticwolflover263]

@@rickymoranjr9609 true he was honestly the best villian out of disney franchise

[@rickymoranjr9609]

@@arcticwolflover263 plus he used the cauldron to resurrect his deathless warriors called "the Cauldron Born" to take over the world and become its ruler.

[@eurossocial]

I Love their draft sketches. Each Drawing is a Masterpiece! :-)

[@DepecheWorld76]

Best Disney Movie ever. Saw it in the cinema way back.

[@FilmmakeroftheFuture]

This film should be re-released in 3-D, not their other blockbusters past. It might be accepted better now. Plus it has a great cult following.

[@mattwolf7698]

Eh, I don't know. Stuff like Frozen has a PG rating now when it would have been G a decade ago. It would be cool if they finished this and released it under Touchstone Pictures or even Fox though.

[@M.H.S608]

@@mattwolf7698 Touchstone been closed for 14 years now sadly!

[@xXLunatikxXlul]

The animation feels more prominent in character and emotion, than some of today's animated feature films.

[@Johnlindsey289]

What about Wolf Children, Kung Fu Panda trilogy, some of Pixar's works, Wreck it Ralph, Zootopia, DC animation etc.?

[@SirBlackReeds]

Although it's easy to put the blame on Jeffrey Katzenberg, the truth is that there were problems even before he went on board. Seriously, if you look it up the team faced production problems before Katzenberg was hired. Then you also have the fact that the run time was too short to adapt the two books they used. Speaking of which, the reason Disney adapted only the first two books is because at the time they abhorred the notion of sequels, so I read anyway. They should have just had each movie represent one of the books. Interestingly enough, I read that Disney still owns the rights to those books.

[@andrewvickers1992]

jacoblgames However the reason he gets blame is because he purposely deleted some scenes, particularly during the Cauldron Born scene, and these cuts happened at last minute too! (an early trailer showed a small portion that was deleted featuring a skeleton during the part of the climax where the Cauldron Born attack the Horned King's human guards)

[@SirBlackReeds]

***** Yeah, although they should have taken the "10 minutes" demand more seriously.

[@queen_boo]

jacoblgames : Jeffery Katzenberg should've let the artist do as they needed. I know one person (whom I will leave nameless) who worked on this film. They say the footage wouldn't have changed anything like "if I never knew you" in Pocahontas or if they would've cut "part of your world" from mermaid. The 2 points I see are this. 1st. Disney has the right to do whatever they want because its their property. 2nd. Give blame where blame is due and credit where it's due. JK butchered the heck out of a film that could've at the time been a welcomed walk away from musicals. Missing was a love story-ish feel. Yet Taran and Eilonwy did share a kiss in trickery by Gurgi lol. This film needed a chance to appeal to its proper audience and not be presented as a kid friendly film.. Thanks for letting me vent a bit, but I do enjoy this film a lot.

[@Medachod]

@@queen_boo A Blu-Ray containing whatever animation they have left, being cut into a true "final" version of the film would be amazing, especially since it seems like the Cauldron Born sequence was finished, given it was screened in front of a bunch of children and they all ran away in fear. They might still have it.

[@osmosys808]

You should all look up the Vanity Fair article about the Cal Arts class. It gives insight into the plagued production process of this feature. Tim Burton, and the rest of the new Disney team were incredibly unhappy and a lot of them were fired after this was made.

[@altarush]

osmosys808 I heard the company almost went bankrupt because of this movie. Don Bluth and several others were mad at Disney executives.

[@SirBlackReeds]

+altarush Don Bluth left because he couldn't get funding for Banjo or Secret of NIMH from Disney.

[@SirBlackReeds]

+osmosys808 Proof? Especially on the Tim Burton one. I've read two different stories.

[@osmosys808]

Well my only source is the Vanity Fair article, so whatever it used as a source is my source.

[@SirBlackReeds]

osmosys808 Curses.

[@tom30980]

well damn that makes sense why it didnt suck like the rest of the disney movies today, 80's and 90's disney was like the golden age

[@Guernicaman]

I can see why this got cut. The pacing is weird, especially in the middle.

[@scottishpatriot5908]

I am confused. This scene is not deleted on the VHS I grew up watching. Trust me I watched if almost every night. Even tho my little brother was scarred of it. If was the horned king. He was petrified of him lol

[@Medachod]

Perhaps, if you still own said VHS, you could give us some proof that it exists.

[@princessadrigirl6774]

It’s not been in any version I’ve ever seen

[@pennysanchez7656]

Katzenburg: CHOP, CHOP, CHOP CHOP! Why Katzenberg, WHY!!!??? (This is my joke)

[@danieljhidalgo5098]

In the name of 80's movies, why would they eliminate a scene as striking as this? Say. This would have been much better than the movie version.

[@scottartist]

It's Morva, by the way- not Morder.

[@elsakristina2689]

TBH I’m glad they ended up changing King Eidilegg’s design (and those of the other fairies) and personality to make him more happy-go-lucky since here he’s too serious and also because here he looks too much like King Hubert from “Sleeping Beauty”.

[@princessadrigirl6774]

This really should’ve been left in. It makes both the pig and the fairies a little more relevant to the movie. Even the sword gets a little more explanation

[@dimitriskontos7964]

Such a wonderful scene .Really disgusting that they deleted it .

[@mollieknute2227]

This isn't so much a deleted scene, but rather a changed scene. The whirlpool, fairy folk, finding out where the Black Cauldron is, getting a fairy companion, and leaving Hen Wren behind are all there, just scripted differently....

[@DabiTodoroki]

I love this film.

[@joshhoffman8323]

one of the best films ever made.

[@jimmymccartney2049]

Music:Elmer Bernstein(1985)

[@richirick631]

tim burton trabajo en este proyecto desgraciadamente borraron todos sus dibujos ;-;

[@sarahpresciutti9464]

I just saw this scene on Disney plus! Also the part where Taron is bleeding from his mouth.

[@IGDRAK]

This guy reminds me Tingle; of The Legend of Zelda series

[@pennysanchez7656]

*laughs*

[@seansimagionation]

the children were cute in the oringinal, but i much perferd this scene to the one in the final cut of the movie.

[@Mer.Saloon]

Well, I appreciate you responding to me specifically pal, but I disagree. I've seen what this film could have been and it certainly looked like an interesting piece. Heck, I don't think the final product is all that bad, it's just forgettable and bland. I found it to be decent, but in the film industry that's a bigger crime than a bad film because people remember bad films.

[@secondaryactons]

I could have sworn this was in the film. I had the VHS tape and this was one of my fav parts. Maybe it wasn't cut but it was alterer/re-worked.

[@droidigan]

3:20- Tingle? Is that you?

[@CrispyA113]

Oooh I wonder if this is 9 out of these Fiftheen Minutes of lost footage

[@cookiegoboo3293]

I dont know why people think this is scary, as a YOUNG GIRL, i loved watching this movie, and if i remember right, we actully owned it until i stopped watching it.

[@mattwolf7698]

Is this part or the 12 minutes that were cut or was that footage actually finish? I know they deleted some footage of the skin being melted off some people as well. If this was cut with that, then there's still a minute-minute and a half of footage missing. There was nothing innapropriate about this scene either, it must have been cut for budget reasons.

[@Medachod]

I believe this is the most well known amount of cuts present in the film for the 25th Anniversary release, well there are still minor things, such as more violence, the melting scene and so on that were never finished. But, know this, every cut for the film was initially the result of certain graphic content being shaved, but at one point, someone was told to shave off ten minutes, said they could only manage six and the same person forced them to shave twelve instead. In other words, six _more_ minutes, purely for no reason. If you want to know more, watch this video series that goes over it. The first part: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIPdlYmwmrR1p80

[@marcelbentholt3048]

One of the best Disney Klassiker

[@carlos412]

i don't know why they say this movie is bad,i really like it,is not like the other disney movies(i mean there's no songs,its a little dark etc) but is good

[@Unownshipper]

It IS a little bit repetitiive, I guess that's why it was replaced. Thanks for the upload.

[@Montork]

they cut so much from this movie, what was left made no sense.

[@Findulidas]

No, hes quite diffrent... he has diffrent motivations, diffrent personality, has less fear of humans, is portrayed in a cute light pretty often a.s.o.

[@eltioneganv8359]

Gurgi is kawaii

[@MegaJamesj]

Ffludderr voice sounds different in deleted scene than original film!

[@DepecheWorld76]

Yes that is not Nigel Hawthorne

[@altarush]

They should have kept these scenes.

[@MIZZKIE]

7:48 Han Solo

[@Linmyra]

Thought there was something missing. Just watched the film and there was some choppy scenes of the main characters knocked out to them suddenly awake and talking to the king fairy.

[@laurynsylvain07]

Correction: That was not Prince Gwydion's sword. That's Rhittas.

[@BurstLinker1]

No los borraron ,solo que el hizo el arte visual por lo tanto solo son sketches y no salieron en la version final de la pelicula

[@Mer.Saloon]

@QueenBonesofdarkness Oh, because look at all this animation and how wonderful it moves. The flow is spectacular and the backgrounds magnificent. A waste of good paper I say.

[@AnnaWindsor-Art]

I'm just going to use this to re-animate with to make my Animation Portfolio... This scene was very important in this movie & it's a dumb ass move for Disney to delete it! Younger Me: "Then how did the Trio find the Witches House to find the Black Cauldron?"... Older Brother: "Beats me..."

[@BraveLittlePixel]

I remember seeing most of this. I suspect it was changed rather than deleted.

[@GreatBeast455]

Did this ever make it to full color?

[@Eivyll]

Naw, that's Stitch's great-grandfather.

[@Straylight4299]

That was awesome.

[@bparker65]

I usually like deleted scenes but I feel the movie didn't really need this. They made a good decision to leave it out.

[@Lindziendk]

this is adorable!!!

[@justalittleaudy]

This reminds me of lord of the rings... "mastterrrr, masttterrrr!"

[@locoambruna]

My question is how they dropped the image with black bars ?

[@Dear1Stupit1Dog]

this should be called unfinished scene instead of deleted

[@zillsburyy1]

. all of these scenes worth watching are edited out. just watch THE SECRET OF THE NIMH

[@cw9499]

John Byner? I think not.

[@1337Figaro]

All these scenes existed in my movie :O i have the Swedish version, i really remeber the scene when they sink into the water and the fairys :S

[@dmatthewl4273]

This was cut? I remember watching it..

[@kikurosai]

I'm not sure why this scene was deleted other than it making the movie too long. :P

[@justalittleaudy]

This movie is terrifying.

[@lennypearl]

So it seems that the only thing that could have destroyed the cauldron was the sword, right? What I've never understood - and I think there was a deleted scene explainign it, but I can't find it - is why do the withces think they can have both the sword and the cauldron. At the end, Orddu says "we have buisness, we'll take the cauldron..." but there was never any explaination why Taran would have to give it back. Does anyone know?

[@bonbonpony]

Where did you get that animatic anyway?

[@andrewvickers1992]

Bon Bon I believe it's from the anniversary DVD

[@olganothing1201]

I like this movie

[@13Knives1]

Holy shit

[@WolfieMcMuffin]

What happened to the guy who voiced Taran?

[@TacticalxRecon]

He is still alive?

[@Disney_dude]

Quite sad the eilonwy's like bubble orb or idk how it's called didn't more screentime it was important in the book

[@Magic3Star]

Cute. ^^

[@jennyhoek561]

It´s totally weird they have deleted that scenes They are worse scenes on that film

[@lnsullivan422]

i justs realized the minstrel is John Cleese

[@Maia-dj1ly]

I don't understand what is so wrong with this I was anything but scared It was really underwhelming

[@GrizzlyDave85]

3:40 That's what she said

[@rag0t2010]

''he is so tiny'' Sorry for being late.

[@MegaJamesj]

It would be better if it was colorized. I'll enjoy it, but I need to get the 25th anniversary edition.

[@laurynsylvain07]

Eilonwy and Fflewddur sounds different.

[@RabbitInIce]

💖.

[@dylangeltzeiler946]

1:10 It’s those Dragon type creatures.

[@Mer.Saloon]

@QueenBonesofdarkness Not sure on what you mean by that.

[@rgur90x]

Gurgi's voice creeps me out...

[@TeamBelmont91]

...Frank Welker, izzat you?!