DELPHI MURDERS TRIAL: What will the jury decide? The Interview Room with Chris McDonough

[@12-Poler]

I’m sooo annoyed with this case! It seems that NOONE wants to get the REAL EVIDENCE out for public viewing! Why?! This stinks of injustice!😡

[@rick-grim]

From an outsiders point of view, it seems the prosecution wants a conviction more than they want justice for Abby and Libby. I certainly have reasonable doubt and want justice for Libby, Abby, and their extended family.

[@BrendanODonovan-c5z]

@@rick-grim exactly correct

[@kathywright7395]

What the judge kept out of the trial is a disgrace.

[@Southerncomfort420]

I truly believe that there is way too much reasonable doubt and too many other players possible suspects. Thank you for your thoughts tonight.❤

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

Couldn’t agree with you more!!!!! I’m more baffled how the FBI agent that did work on this case for one to three months they were allowed to service and the Klein residence did those interviews we also know that they did a lot of the Ron info/search warrants. I can’t believe they would not be allowed to at least testify for the defense or for either side. They had their detective there. I guess that would’ve screwed up their entire case. Being biased and corrupt herself isn’t gonna let that happen. She wants a particular outcome and it’s towards the prosecution and she hates the defense and she could care less about Richard constitutional to Justice. So I’m praying for a jury and for her to be booted., she’s part of the problem!

[@teraallan]

The problem with making any judgements on Allen’s guilt is the complete lack of transparency of this trial and the wildly different reports about the evidence from reporters in the courtroom. I think we could all better decide the credibility of the evidence if we could actually WATCH the trial. If you listen to the five people give their version of what they watched at trial (and recorded on paper), they all slightly vary. Even the people in the gallery are not able to see all of the evidence the jurors do. Each person who reports on the evidence filters it through their own views of his guilt, whether expressed or not.

[@BrendanODonovan-c5z]

@@teraallan village people stick together it’s all wrong

[@kathywright7395]

This screams reasonable doubt.

[@markbrown1609]

a creep with bad intentions is not going to park out front and walk through the park to be witnessed by everybody in the park, a psycho creep is going to creep in not detected, and stay hidden not be seen .

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

Exactly-common sense!

[@Oshunsprite]

@markbrown1609 good point.

[@pasha21k]

You don't go from ground zero to blast off, then back to daily life. I am so impressed with your assessment.

[@jeanineruder403]

This is how you enter the discourse on crime on social media. With expertise and objectivity! ❤️

[@Peace-tk3gr]

There is too much reasonable doubt, IMO, to convict. Justice for the two girls means catching and punishing the actual culprit/s.

[@lucylu3193]

It’s so hard for me, an Australian, to hear how many of your US service persons are living on the streets, the lack of services and support for the devastating outcomes of the PTSD etc. I would love to see that improve. It’s so sad.

[@teraallan]

It is terrifying that the perpetrator of these horrific murders of two young innocent girls may never be locked up behind bars. The victims’ families may never see justice done for them.

[@gailtrotman5256]

Remember that the case hinges on the evidence. No DNA ? Really? How is that possible? Does the evidence that exists rise to the level of the required standard of "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt"? This jury is the perfect jury to answer that question: Intelligent, objective and meticulous.

[@loriematthews6418]

I want to thank ALL of our Veterans today! To honor our heroes! I'm so proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free. Can't forget those who died, who gave that right to me! Thank you Chris & Karen... always enjoy the livestreams! 🙋🏻💕

[@Gioli565]

Gosh, found your channel today and I can’t thank you enough for doing the work that most of us can’t fathom. The strength you have to face the darkness to bring justice for the innocence is amazing.

[@normaiwamoto8289]

I grew up on military bases overseas and I still get goosebumps watching military, bands, and marches. Awesome.

[@jadziadax1969]

Andrea Burkhart said she couldn’t see any lividity in the crime scene photos, even when Libby was turned over. It was visible in the autopsy photos, though. If she’s right, the State’s timeline is completely wrong.

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

@@IlluminatingInkright….look how many think a man who has never committed a crime, went in & said he was there & what he was wearing, Ludacris just ridiculous that they think that they have some kind of experience that has never even worked a crime scene before very delusional and ridiculous Ludacris as you say, they’re gonna send a man on to death row with this evidence. I’ll never be in Indiana again that’s scary as hell!!!!!

[@BrendanODonovan-c5z]

Only came across your station now you are definitely one of the best news about this case and professional Ireland 🇮🇪

[@totljag1]

U need to do another show with Gary Burcato explaining his 61 confessions please ! That would make a great show

[@lillyshaw9439]

Yes, I am sure that Gary would be aware of the effect of 13 months of solitary confinement, stopping his meds, injecting him with haldol etc… It sounds like a mental institution that you see in a horror film.

[@Canyouseeanypartofme]

@@lillyshaw9439with phone calls/tablets for games and movies and seeing dr wala everyday?? I’m not seeing it

[@alia9087]

@Canyouseeanypartofme Dr Wala who was so professional she lost her job straight after

[@asewallenborg4676]

My gut feeling has been from the beginning that he is innocent.

[@gemmamorgan161]

It’s one big mess! Richard I believe is innocent mentally tortured in prison to breaking point. The poor girls and families have been let down.

[@BrendanODonovan-c5z]

@@gemmamorgan161 why don’t you think they never interviewed his friends about who he was to them because he would be known to have serve mental illness before this happened

[@carolsisti7203]

I think RA was the fall guy. The detectives had to solve this case and he was as good as anyone to go after.

[@MKUltra42]

One of the myriad things that bothers me about LE’s investigation is why in the world they didn’t swab their wounds for DNA?? They could have easily seen then if there was mixed DNA that could indicate if more than one weapon was used. So much about this case makes you wonder if LE was THAT inept and arrested this man out of sheer desperation and the upcoming election or if something much more nefarious was happening. Either of those would be reason enough to get rid of the FBI. Doug Carter was either so embarrassed at how badly his “Unified Command” was bungling this case or he didn’t like that the FBI’s theories were getting so close to the real answer.

[@kimyoung2447]

People who were in the courtroom heard things differently. Some did not hear gun. She could have said Logan or something that sounded like a gun because they manipulated the damn audio and video! Some people said you couldn't even see him on the video. He was so far back. There is no proof that that guy on the bridge was even involved. They have an unspent round that could have been from anyone's gun. That testing was faulty. Why didn't they take photos or video when it was in the ground, and they were removing it with measurements? Why is there so much missing, i.e., early interviews, etc? I think they found his weaknesses, depression, anxiety, his wife, and put him in solitary in prison to break him. The only way they could do that was with threats against his family, abuse, harassment and forcing Haldol injections. Those confessions should not have be allowed because he was in deep psychosis. I hope he wins his appeal. The scales of justice are not balanced in this case, IMO.

[@karoliendiepraam962]

Very informative and interesting!

[@treeconger3887]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@treeconger3887]

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[@TKC-7889]

Regarding 2 weapons- imo the gun was for intimidation purposes and wasn’t going to chance bringing attention (noise) to his crimes.

[@Lenore4Evermore]

Chris, I follow a KZbin channel called “Lawyer Lee”. She has been there for 24 days covering the trial. Maybe you could have her on 😊. She does so many cases w a lawyers point of view . LOVE YOUR CHANNEL CHRIS !!!!

[@howareyou857]

@@Lenore4Evermore she is also impartial and very level headed

[@teraallan]

I agree that Lawyer Lee is the most unbiased legal mind on KZbin. I actually love her, but I do believe she has given a side in this case more than I expected from her. It’s natural to develop an opinion, and it’s clear to me what her opinion is.

[@totljag1]

The expert testified that she had to fire the round 3 x to get any kind of extraction mark , Allen’s bullet was not fired so them saying it was a match is ludicrous

[@Su_aSponte]

Voice of reason right here. That expert should be embarrassed..

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

@@Su_aSponteshe should be fired. With her I’ve never made a mistake in over 20+ years, OK with your pseudoscience I’m sure you have it. 🙄

[@Su_aSponte]

@@SisterGoldenHair212 agree to agree. My husband is a gun enthusiast and when he heard her take on it he was dumbfounded 😂

[@totljag1]

She also said out of 4 pistols tested the only one she could exclude was a Glock The 3 left over we’re all sigs , my thoughts on this a cop probably dropped a round while investigating

[@Su_aSponte]

@ logic would agree with you.

[@wildcherry2959]

I miss seeing yall on the road covering cases. Thank you both for bringing us FACTS

[@wotiluv]

The assessment on this is absolutely golden -this coupled with Andrea Burkheardt’s feedback from a legal perspective just shows how much failure there was in this investigation. I’ve also lusted to criminal profiler Dr Brucato earlier this year stating it’s highly unlikely RA is the guy he in no way fits the profile of this crime.

[@CHRISTINEDAVIES-g4x]

Replay from South Wales UK 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿I have watched so much of this and was so happy to listen to your analogy on this.Thank you both and all mods for this channel🙏🏻you have made so much sense of it.

[@Angelsarenear277]

Looking forward to your take on it Chris and Karen.Ive watched nearly everything on this case.

[@teraallan]

Since the trial has not been televised, what have you watched on this case? What KZbinrs have you watched? I can tell you what your opinion is about Allen’s guilt solely based on which KZbinrs you have watched. That’s the problem with this trial…everything is filtered through humans who have a slant.

[@seastar3611]

Thank you Chris and Karen ❤

[@melanies734]

Thank you for sharing a bit of your father's procession with us, Chris. It was beautiful. Thank you for your family's service to this nation. God bless you. From one military brat to another. ❤

[@chantalvlotman7638]

To many questions to be beyond a reasonable doubt

[@TangledTrueCrime]

I have been waiting for your analysis!!!

[@KiSsY_1978]

Sadly and very unfortunately we will never get Justice for Libby and Abby by putting an innocent man in a cage! Absolute insanity and evilness going on in this case, this has to stop 🛑

[@catmeow333]

“Down the Hill” and “Gun” might not even be what was said.

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

You also have to remember that the states pseudoscience ballistic expert who’s never made a mistake in over 20 years probably because not scientifically correct, she had to actually fire the bullet through the gun 3x different times to even get a resemblance of the same mark, but could not excuse two other guns that were drugged from the river/creek one gun diminished that she couldn’t use it to fire through, and then she couldn’t dismiss Brad‘s gun either. oh yeah, the guy in the van, the property right there he had the exact same gun use the same bullets, she could not excluded. There is a difference between a cartridge flying out versus a bullet being shot. They will have different markings. I can get evidence. We need to dismiss this evidence. What else do we have our witness testimony? I think at this point we can all start laughing not one person pointed to Richard Allen and said that’s bridge guy not one person said the man I saw that day was extremely short for a man. only one girl said he was maybe an inch taller than me. I noticed he was shorter because I’m only 5’7 so that would’ve made Richard Allen 5’8. CORRUPT POLICE/INVESTIGATION. This investigation needs to be investigated by the higher-ups! I want to hear from theFBI. Help bring the Marshals!!!

[@avondalemama470]

I really enjoy your work on this channel, and your sensible approach.

[@markbrown1609]

i am not convinced BG is the perp

[@t-bone3202]

He’s not..JS.

[@mollybloom5816]

@@t-bone3202JS?

[@Canyouseeanypartofme]

What a joke

[@alexperkins8433]

i cant believe someone would do this who had ZERO history of dv or misogyny et al. ive never heard of that. imo has to be ethe guy online communicating with them

[@sonjo2419]

Thank you. Great show and education. Love it💃🏼🥰

[@cmagic222]

Wonderful work, I love your analysis

[@MK-pt9zt]

Why did the state and the judge hide the geofencing data from jurors and the public? This data would have identified every person that was at or near the crime scene on the 13th and 14th. This case screams corruption and the railroading of an innocent man.

[@BrendanODonovan-c5z]

Something wrong about the whole situation and the handle of this case I am from Ireland 🇮🇪 love America but this smell of corruption

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

@@BrendanODonovan-c5zAmerican has become a foreign country these days! Not like it used to be! How many school shooting do you guys have per yr?

[@Hotlips86Shan]

Considering the vast resources available, I believe LE owed it to the public to provide clearer answers about BG. Unfortunately, their investigation fell short and seems to be quite biased, IMO. Prayers for the jurors, all of the families involved and of course justice for Abby & Libby. 💙💜 Delphi needs healing!

[@gnanagowryvithiyananthan6427]

Hi Chris and Karen on this remembrance day we're thinking of those who have lost someone they love!! Thank you to your parents for their sacrifice and service

[@donnagriffith839]

I believe Richard Allen is innocent

[@LindaClubb]

I feel he is innocent and I would be looking into this being about odinism

[@joy4434]

Love to you all thank you watching replay 🙏🏼❤️

[@SmokeyMtnRobin]

My understanding is prosecution fought and kept out the geo fencing data and that he himself placed himself there. Then prosecution emphasized his missing 2017 phone (he had given them his phone ID info). Geo fencing could have proven his location.

[@CBWildcat]

Great analysis

[@Tereselynn]

Hello from Silicon Valley😊❤❤ Am getting you on replay Chris & Karen! Chris is an awesome Detective👍👍 Justice for Abby & Libby❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Notpublished]

The larger clothes were on the smaller girl because they were wet and difficult to redress? Did he try to remove evidence on the clothes in the water?

[@TheAngryKilljoy]

If you look at one of the drawings of the crime scene it is clearly staged. The bodies were posed at the branches are clearly arranged in a pattern. There are also sticks arranged on pool of blood. Abby was cleaned and dressed and her neck wound was a clean cut. Libby was nude, covered in blood and her neck wound was made with like 5 cuts from a serated knife.

[@AshleyyB77]

Replay. This was brilliant. Thank you 😊

[@connemaraheather5040]

Thank you Chris and Karen. Very interesting to hear your thoughts on this. ☘️🌸

[@JerryKirkland-tj5fq]

Always love when you have a guest especially, when its Karen, and the professionalism you both bring to the table..,I admire the compliments you always give Karen and she so much deseeves, because yes, she is both Beautiful on the inside and out... and family is the most important thing in our lifes. I just lost my husband of 43 years, April 29th... suddenly and Im still in shock...Thank You both for really caring about the victims and not just for clicks and views,,,Theres a special place in Heaven for you both, and you guys bring me hope, That I can make it through, and I know one day Ill see him again ...God Bless You Both and all you. Do for the victims, and much respect....Debi from the hills of Tennessee ❤

[@brigittebowman9113]

So sorry for your loss 🙏💜

[@lyn437]

Wasn't there testimony that Abby's hands were "pristine" ? blood was from single wound to neck. Seems unlikely she'd be physically that close to Libby imo. Such a heartbreaking case.

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

Yes! Extremely crazy crime scene, definitely not a day who decides last minute to commit a crime in Broad, daylight who has never been convicted in his life in his mid-40s and shorter than Libby and probably weigh it around the same if not a little more, no ligature marks, no bound marks, so Abby just stood there because they know Libby was slashed. Throat killed brutally and dragged her resting spot and Libby just stood there. That’s what that goes against everything. You can’t hold a gun and one hand behind somebody and slash somebody from behind 3 to 4 different times then drag their body fight with them because they said she did put up a fight and Libby‘s doing what did Richard Allen and One wonder knife in the other come on you can’t be that?!

[@sharonmcandrews2482]

The unspent round was found 4 days later 3" in the ground. Site was unsecured. Tobe Lesenby has the same round on his desk, as does Carter.

[@pennylane8401]

@@sharonmcandrews2482 The round was found during the CSI, the same day. They were looking for trace evidence, on the bodies, with blue light goggles and someone not wearing goggles, spotted it gleaming out from the leaves on the ground. They collected it, shortly after.

[@JoJo-vz5uy]

Wasn’t Tobe Lesenby a suspect at some point? He said he was.

[@ScabibbleWilly]

So, you are saying Tobe and Carter were involved?

[@BamaSquirrel]

Even with my feelings about D & C and Summer’s case, I wouldn’t want this kind of ss trial which has no transparency and only certain evidence allowed in. 🤦🏼‍♀️ please say this isn’t how America will be doing trials

[@helenlouks5874]

No. KK did not say he was at the trail the day the girls were abducted and killed. Please clarify this as not true as you said he was there. He was NOT seen on any trail cameras or any trail witnesses.

[@t-bone3202]

Neither were the girls! JS.

[@karenj8406]

@@helenlouks5874 I think KK said that he waited in the car while his father went to the bridge. Hence LE went to look for a knife etc in the river a few years later (but could not find any evidence in the river). This was just before KK was prosecuted for other crimes. This was in the media but not sure if it is factual. There are so many roomers around this case. KK told police that he was supposed to meet up but they never pitched and then much later told the story about his father (there was no evidence, only messages on the phone to Libby)

[@lillyshaw9439]

Thank you for your work, and sharing your knowledge.

[@TheInterviewRoom]

So nice of you

[@Helen-t5g]

Too bad the LE didn't let the cold case just like the FBI into this case. Coz your explanation of this crime is the best I have heard in 7 year's. LE & State has let these girls & family's down big time. They are going to get sued by RA family & hopefully the family of the girls also sue. I just love ❣️ TIR you guys blow my mind every time. ❤

[@catmeow333]

Details are hidden from the public. What don’t we know ? I’m not satisfied Bridge Guy did it. Rush to judgment in secrecy.

[@Womenswarrior-v3f]

I just wanted to say right here right now that if I'm ever unlucky enough to be unalived Chris I am personally requesting you to investigate my unaliving please 🙏 lol you and your Mrs are amazing I wouldn't have anyone else but I'm in the uk so you need a flight lol love your channel

[@dropdeadDeb]

The man that found them, he was a family friend? Was he investigated? If anyone gave me bad vibes it was this man. IMO.

[@mollybloom5816]

The witness made a guess about victim saying there was a gun. The audio was so garbled and unclear!

[@lillyshaw9439]

I thought it was totally unfair that the judge let his opinion on the voice being Richard Allen’s. He isn’t an expert!

[@alia9087]

@@lillyshaw9439 There are also 100 other guys it could be

[@lillyshaw9439]

@@alia9087 yes, I can imagine. I heard it was impossible for the FBI to match the voice as it’s such a short clip.

[@Edgeley]

Interesting comparing Chris’s perspective to Dr John from hidden true crime - I think dr John is spot on due to his forensic work with s3x offenders but enjoy a different view and Chris’ extensive experience- love your channel!!

[@brendamarshall2845]

Hey there guys! Love listening to you!

[@BrendanODonovan-c5z]

He is a great person to get a proper understanding of the truth

[@Sue-x1k]

There was unknown male DNA on both girls left hand, both girls had unknown male DNA on each nipple plus their crotch. There was about 3 unknown male blood mixed with Libby. Plus seminal fluid was noted in vaginal . It boils down to poor lab testing

[@b25mech]

Karen, totally agree that he would have had priors.

[@cherylemaybury9967]

RA had no prior criminal record

[@Momtojoshcanpark]

RA did not say he was wearing what BG was wearing. He said he had a blue and black knock off car hart jacket, but said he was most likely wearing tennis shoes

[@bonnieholland5095]

Haha You remind me of Miss Nancy on Romper Room😀. Guess that tells how old I am.

[@lisadurr6143]

Kline was supposed to meet them that day I feel Kline is involved

[@teraallan]

I think it is very likely Kline was involved, but I do NOT think Kline is Bridge Guy!

[@ScabibbleWilly]

Agreed.

[@ScabibbleWilly]

@@teraallanagreed, I think when RA went to Mexico, he met up with KK for information about the girls being there, and RA was BG not KK. kk was much larger a guy than BG.

[@ScabibbleWilly]

@@LittleLouieLagazza really ok, go away. Bye.

[@alia9087]

@@ScabibbleWilly Have you seen earlier pictures of the guy?

[@kathywright7395]

Ron Logan was a mean man

[@Momtojoshcanpark]

Please go down the rabbit hole on this in the Odinism theory with Brad Holder, Elvis Fields (whom put himself with the girls that day), Patrick Westfall and there are a few others. Then compare the Richard Allen trial, and tell me what you think. You talk about the branches meaning have close less to victim, BH is AW boyfriend father....🤔

[@amandamiller21]

@@Momtojoshcanpark I saw the fb pages of theirs today so crazy

[@brendamarshall2845]

Listening to you from Lexington Kentucky

[@amandawade7725]

This was all great insight on a possible theory of the case. It does make much more sense and would explain too many oddities in this case. Love your channel!

[@TheInterviewRoom]

Thank you for your kind comment

[@leefossett5777]

Because guns make too much noise……it would have been heard. Boxcutter, silent.

[@Momtojoshcanpark]

I don't think a box cutter can cut that deep. But then again I don't think R A did it.

[@garyhislen9867]

Good day from scotland

[@TheInterviewRoom]

Good day friend -

[@shalimar-k5i]

I just woke up and saw that your video was already at 1:45 (got to rewind) there is a picture of Bridge guy, is that right? I’ve never seen this photo before and as I look at it I can clearly see that this guy is MUCH taller than Rick Allen! Why haven’t there been any measurements? One could easily compare the heights of two people from the standpoint where the picture has been taken 🤔??? I mean if they WANTED to… and now to me it’s obvious they didn’t WANT a different perp other than RA 👀

[@teraallan]

No, he said it was NOT bridge guy.

[@shalimar-k5i]

@ ok thank you 😉🙋🏼‍♀️

[@SiimpleJax]

Also, simply the judges ruling to exclude specific defense arguments is baffling. if it's not corruption ,then it will be overturned on appeal.🤷‍♀️😬 this is mortifying just DO ALL THE TESTING for everything on EVERYONE ,analyze damn bridge guys height. Solve this 😫

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

You would think a detective being filmed walking across that bridge down the hill down to the creek up the hill into where the bodies laid you would think that would have been presented how long it takes you would’ve thought that all evidence would’ve been analyze like the pet hairs and the hair in Abby‘s hand and supposedly there were other hairs that they didn’t because they thought that all this hair belong to the family. We’re gonna make that the crime with certain evidence instead of being a thorough complete comprehensive testing of all evidence, including sticks, hair, pet hair, etc are you trying to tell me that Richard Allen is bloody is Libby was didn’t get any blood in his car and we know that blood can stay forever they can take a car completely dissemble it and they can find blood drops come on you have to, if this evidence convicts RA. It just wasn’t there and sadly, the detective his attitude and laughing about the evidence and not testing and I guess we should’ve have BS speak complete incompetence all the way around up to the judge!

[@Canyouseeanypartofme]

You don’t understand how the law works

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

@@Canyouseeanypartofme who me??? I’m game….school me. I want to learn.

[@Canyouseeanypartofme]

@@SisterGoldenHair212 no nexus no allowing it in

[@elisebarthalow6075]

I believe RA is innocent. No criminal history whatsoever.

[@dellabrown6015]

Great comments.

[@SmokeyMtnRobin]

I wish someone had shown the steps in tracked in their timeline. And explained the 2 story incline.

[@CraigKramer-p2z]

GPS only tracks steps as elevation going uphill..Not downhill ..2 Floors going up other side of creek ..Pretty simple..

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

In a normal investigation, it would’ve been filmed within an investigator walking across that bridge time stamped down that hill time stamped across the creek time stamped up the creek and where those bodies laid we should’ve been able to see a video of all this going down by investigators. And the road that Mr. Brad used to go home there’s no way he would not have not seen all right and the girls and open because that area is wide open. They couldn’t have hidden under the bridge. You can see under the bridge from that vantage point you can see off to the creek people fishing. You could see somebody climbing on the other side of the creek, but he didn’t see anyone yet Richard Allen 54 Self saw them, and not one took off, please. Carol County is corrupt as corrupt can be. They let their eagles getting away fired FBI and this case is now being pinned on probably an innocent man.

[@rozfisher2182]

Love your work ❤

[@TheInterviewRoom]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@barbaraanne2136]

Chris, RA worked in the CVS in as a Pharmacy clerk according to early reporting. Yes he was involved in paying for the photographs of the victims for one of the families as a offering of kindness to the family of one of the girls. There may be more information linked to that but that is my recollection and as time has gone on I wonder about RA's medication vs his position there.

[@normaiwamoto8289]

Shooting a gun would have been heard by everyone in the area

[@cmagic222]

The prosecution put the time line at 19 mins from start down the hill to finished?

[@lynnobrien9429]

I'm still curious about girls hand holding lock sisters hair. And you used words box cutter and in originally they said sheradded knife. So wouldn't that be two different cuts? So which is it? Amazing how things in this case changes.

[@ScabibbleWilly]

Abby had Kelsey’s hair because it was her sweatshirt she was wearing. Nothing nefarious about that at all.

[@Ruth-nn1dr]

NOT a LOCK OF HAIR, a single strand. We all shed continuously. She pulled on a borrowed sweatshirt and one of Kelsi's hairs was inside the sleeve when she pushed her hand through the sleeve. Nothing abnormal about it.

[@Ruth-nn1dr]

@@LittleLouieLagazza That's not at all what I heard. But you are welcome to your opinion.

[@alia9087]

@@ScabibbleWilly It had a root. Your hair does not shed with roots

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

Yes, Libby said ___that’s be a gun, I think she could have said Abby that’s gun….IDK, but yes Libby said it and he wasn’t off in the distance-right behind Abby. AI the voice of BG and they only worked with 6 pixels for the AI generated picture just like the audio. What I found so incomprehensible is the detective talking about how he’s listened to this enhanced/AI generated voice guys down the hill over 100 times and he knows that voice is but he wasn’t listening to the actual real voice on the audio because it’s low, you can hear it, but supposedly it’s low and so they did a lot of enhancing. They also stretch that picture way out so the two lawyers I trust that were in the courtroom said you would never look at the video that they were presented with along with the voice and never understand how they came up with the photo sketch, bridge guy, the picture of bridge guy, the picture of Abby, and why change the voice? 360° difference like an entirely new case altogether that’s how different it was and I trust both of these attorneys! Neither one of them had an agenda. They just watched the trial took notes and reported everything back. And they left their opinions at the door.

[@LouHillierPsych]

Thanks Crhis and Karen, as always a great live! IMO there are more causes for reasonable doubt in this case than holes in a sieve! The 'confessions' were not genuine confessions, which require someone to state unequivocally that they did the crime and how they did the crime. All they have are the unreliable ramblings of a paranoid, sometimes psychotic man expressing his fears that he did it, and only after being kept in solitary confinement for 5 months not knowing if it was night or day outside and deprived of any other sense of humanity and autonomy. Most of us would lose our minds to some degree under those circumstances, even more so someone who had a history of severe depression. He only did what his captors were pressuring him to do with the barbaric way they treated him, i.e. to confess to something he didn't do.

[@sandygrogg1203]

Replay here. Sandy from Cincinnati.

[@RoseMariMoen]

If I was in that jury, i would have wanted to know: How does Alan walk compared to the bridge man? What about a voice analysis of Alan and the bridge man?

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

AI Generated

[@ellenthom34]

Not proven. BG would not prove RA did it.

[@Kwakimolo]

the timeline is corrupted

[@t-bone3202]

They were never dropped off!

[@Emmalemma-w8i]

@@t-bone3202libbys sisters car was captured on cctv near the area around the time she said she dropped them off and Libby had uploaded photos of her and Abby in the back of the car shortly before they were dropped off.

[@t-bone3202]

@ All fabricated and staged based on all the lies from families and LE! I just need more proof they were actually there, like interacting with other human beings especially Kelsi’s friends (witness’s) Blair said “it could of been them, again not good enough) I’ve been saying this since this happened.

[@alia9087]

@Emmalemma-w8i that is not proof. It is one person's say so

[@Emmalemma-w8i]

@@alia9087 cctv and timestamped photos aren’t proof?

[@cmagic222]

Could Libby be in front of Abby protecting her?

[@b25mech]

Usually if someone confesses there isn’t a trial, right? State must not be confidant in those confessions.

[@Momtojoshcanpark]

@@b25mech I dont buy them. Who confesses and then says, I think I did it. I must have did it. To me NG.

[@KatieReyFromTheBay]

@@b25mech no. Thats not true. There is usually a trial unless a deal is offered and accepted. They didn’t offer a deal.

[@b25mech]

@@KatieReyFromTheBay Gotcha. That makes sense.

[@b25mech]

@@Momtojoshcanpark He was cray cray when he made those confessions. I don’t accept them either.

[@TheAngryKilljoy]

They weren’t confessions they were admissions of guilt

[@moonshadow128]

You are so right

[@cyncty666]

I'm so glad you said you will cover Maya Millette - that case keeps me up at night

[@TheInterviewRoom]

I have a playlist on her case. If you have time please check it out.

[@cyncty666]

@ mahalo I will

[@cfil7970]

Very interesting thoughts from a homicide investigator like yourself Chris, along with criminal journalism from you Karen. How you isolate evidence from emotional trauma , which is extremely difficult to interpret .There is reason of motivation through ALL crimes, especially when investigators are not familiar in seasoned crime analysis . Such a shame that they didn’t invoke Any /All opportunities for seasoned specialist in specific areas of a highly trained investigated team to surround seeking Justice for those beautiful lil Angels Abby& Libby. 👼🙏🏻

[@SisterGoldenHair212]

Sadly, the defense wasn’t given a proper allocation for expert witnesses like the prosecution did. They even did a fund raiser for Mr. Allen’s defense. They were shut down every time they’re open their mouth to even try and put on a defense for their client. The judge continuously shut them down over and over and over and literally did not allow them to put on defense, such as other bad actors like Ron Logan. Just an example FBI thanks Ron Logan, the guy why could we not put on our own FBI agents but we can put on this detective that would rather listen to an enhanced AI version of guys down the hill versus the original and he actually said that on the stand, is anybody not paying attention to of this especially the main detective the top dog who got to sit in court and said this Ludacris stuff.