||DELTARUNE|| Kris Is The Knight Mega Theory

PASTEBIN OF EVERYTHING USED (music used at the bottom of this description): pastebin.com/Z3peQyB3
SPOILERS FOR THE DELTARUNE & UNDERTALE
Really big thanks to SpookyDood. If I never watched his Kris Knight for a second time then I wouldn't have fallen down the rabbit hole.
thanks to JaruJaru for giving me a bunch of inspiration. Even if some theories are fun it's practically impossible with some of the stuff I found so I have to see those as impossible out of obligation sorry 😔
eh and i guess also didn't realize until now but I put this video in March in my schedule around the same time MatPat retired so I guess this is kind of a tribute to him. I have been watching him even before FNAF it's insane how much time has passed. Felt so many different emotions with this dude lmao.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WATCHING, thanks and thanks to those who bothered to read this, say hello maybe I dunno. But for real tho, thanks to everyone in the Deltarune community ignoring the I remember your. You have crafted interesting theories and made people aware of specific information in the game. I hope I wasn't too mean with the jokes or anything, everything was for fun!
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You know I love Kris. Kris is love. Kris is life. Kris is knight. I know this is very different from my other videos. More YTPMVs and music is in the works. I've touched the Kurage YTPMV now but since Kris from the hit indie game Omori i mean Deltarune being the knight is my whole personality i mad a video about them. Everything goes deep, there are NO HOLES. I actually made this cause i got tired of copy pasting stuff i have as evidence to convince people. Now ill say "go watch my EPIC theory video about the BEST characther kris its for FREE" instead. Hope promotion out of nowhere is okay.
But but I went crazy figuring out the truth. There's some new evidence i think. I haven't seen anyone else mention it before so i think im the one who cracked it. It doesnt make Kris knight 100% confirmed but it makes it so likely that god becomes real, but if it isnt true then i can act proud and annoying over this discovery instead. I tried sharing it on Reddit but it didn't catch on. ANYWAYS, i had a lot of fun making this kind of thing. i would love to make more videos like this, specifically theory stuff but i dont know if there will be less to theory craft about during Chapter 3 and 4 or if so much of my theory ends up being true that it becomes less fun knowing everything.
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Music used in every part:
Shiruba - Giant Feet (overlayed with some other noise in the video)
Deltarune - My Castle Town
Deltarune - When I Get Happy I Dance Like This
Deltarune - w
Undertale - Home
Deltarune - A Town Called Hometown
Undertale - Dating Tense!
Undertale - Spear of Justice
Paprika - Parade (instrumental)
Deltarune - Attack of the Killer Queen
Deltarune - Queen
The Legend Of Zelda The Minish Cap - Cloud Tops
Undertale - Dogsong
Deltarune - Field of Hopes and Dreams
Shiruba - Never Televison
Patricia Taxxon - GDGEGDGCDEDHECETCHCOHTHOTOTO (Track 3)
DELTARUNE - GALLERY
Deltarune - Quiet Autumn
Deltarune - The Dark Truth
Shiruba - Then Midnight
Deltarune - Spamton
Deltarune - The Legend
Lunaxis - Attack On Titan
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse - Final Boss (Dark Crafter)
DELTARUNE - AUDIO_DRONE
DELTARUNE - ANOTHER HIM
Shiruba - Toy
Deltarune - it's a red guitar
Undertale - Home (Muisc Box)
Deltarune - Until Next Time
Deltarune - Don't Forget
Undertale - Hopes And Dreams
Deltarune - Weird Birds
Deltarune - WELCOME TO THE CITY (alt)
Deltarune - Flashback
Undertale - Finale (SiivaGunner)
Patricia Taxxon - GDGEGDGCGDEDHDECETECHCOCHTHOHTOTOTO (Track 3)
Patricia Taxxon - GEGCGEGHECEDCHCOHDHTDODTOTOT (Track 11) (overlayed with some other noise in the video)
Deltarune - Dialtone
Deltarune - The Circus
Shiruba - Soon Transformation
Patricia Taxxon - Pablo Picasso
nelward - Bust the Nut!
Shiruba - Too Unreal
Deltarune - Smart Race
Deltarune - Before The Story
Deltarune - You Can Always Come Home
Deltarune - My Castle Town
Tumblr: www.tumblr.com/shirubagin?sou...
Twitter:
/ shirubagaunna
Chapter Timestamps:
0:00 opening
1:31 the basics
7:24 dreams and the stupid closet
11:10 debunking the debunks
23:53 kris is the knight = there are multiple knights
34:00 speculation (gaster)
40:56 speculation (reset)
47:19 speculation (angel)
58:18 "toby fox wouldnt do that"
1:03:36 the final chapter
1:05:17 e
Sources can be found in the Pastebin on top. It would be disingenuous of anyone to put it at the bottom but good job for checking here anyways. Here's two cookies. Sometimes you get the same thing twice hope that's fine. 🍪🍪

[@ShirubaGin]

Thanks for all the support! I'm happy seeing people enjoying this and the new ideas. I don't know what to do with the new viewers but I hope I'm entertaining with whatever I make. See everything I used pastebin.com/Z3peQyB3 🐐🐐 And the music used in every part: Shiruba - Giant Feet (overlayed with some other noise in the video) Deltarune - My Castle Town Deltarune - When I Get Happy I Dance Like This Deltarune - w Undertale - Home Deltarune - A Town Called Hometown Undertale - Dating Tense! Undertale - Spear of Justice Paprika - Parade (instrumental) Deltarune - Attack of the Killer Queen Deltarune - Queen The Legend Of Zelda The Minish Cap - Cloud Tops Undertale - Dogsong Deltarune - Field of Hopes and Dreams Shiruba - Never Televison Patricia Taxxon - GDGEGDGCDEDHECETCHCOHTHOTOTO (Track 3) DELTARUNE - GALLERY Deltarune - Quiet Autumn Deltarune - The Dark Truth Shiruba - Then Midnight Deltarune - Spamton Deltarune - The Legend Lunaxis - Attack On Titan Kirby and the Rainbow Curse - Final Boss (Dark Crafter) DELTARUNE - AUDIO_DRONE DELTARUNE - ANOTHER HIM Shiruba - Toy Deltarune - it's a red guitar Undertale - Home (Muisc Box) Deltarune - Until Next Time Deltarune - Don't Forget Undertale - Hopes And Dreams Deltarune - Weird Birds Deltarune - WELCOME TO THE CITY (alt) Deltarune - Flashback Undertale - Finale (SiivaGunner) Patricia Taxxon - GDGEGDGCGDEDHDECETECHCOCHTHOHTOTOTO (Track 3) Patricia Taxxon - GEGCGEGHECEDCHCOHDHTDODTOTOT (Track 11) (overlayed with some other noise in the video) Deltarune - Dialtone Deltarune - The Circus Shiruba - Soon Transformation Patricia Taxxon - Pablo Picasso nelward - Bust the Nut! Shiruba - Too Unreal Deltarune - Smart Race Deltarune - Before The Story Deltarune - You Can Always Come Home Deltarune - My Castle Town

[@julius_the_cat.]

can we call the police on gaster for giving kris random eggs behind trees?

[@JoshStoobs]

Illymation isn't going to sleep with you lil dude. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[@CalamitasCalliope]

The "his pronouns are they/them" meme really got me jhhgddgddf

[@TeddyLeitner]

I always thought Kris opened the door to make people think the Knight broke into the house, to take inevitable suspicion off of them

[@whocaresaboutthename6850]

Same

[@theyoutubegamer6241]

Yes With Him Also Slashing The Car Tires So That It Would Look Like Someone Was Around The House Other Than Them Before They Sleep Is Completely Genius I Agree Heavily.

[@mattcatt1165]

@@theyoutubegamer6241 Them

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

​@@theyoutubegamer6241Why Do You Type Like This?

[@tearsofthekingdom9062]

Also Toriel had to lock the oven because Kris ate all the pies so while it is possible it would still be very in character

[@multigrandmarquis]

When I first got to the end of Chapter 2, my thought process was something like "Damn, if Toby's showing us this already, there must be even crazier shit coming later."

[@crazygamingoscar7325]

Quick note. Kris eating the pie could actually have some significance. I mean, in the darkworld food doesn't work, and they skipped breakfast, lunch and had to go to bed early missing dinner. Basically, Kris never actually ate, thats significant to our relationship with kris. Its not a total "HAHA, gotcha!" I'll leave other comments here if I have something interesting to say.

[@crazygamingoscar7325]

Second interesting thing, There are explanations for if they're not the knight for the door opening and making the fountain. There's an theory that I really like about asgore entering the dark world in the next chapter, due to him potentially still having ties with the police. In that case Kris making the dark fountain here makes sense, because their goal is to get Asgore and Toriel together or something.

[@ShirubaGin]

Ah I see. I realize Kris not being the knight wouldn't make it a complete joke, but considering they fall asleep in class I think they did more than eat a pie to regain some energy.

[@CantusTropus]

Eating the pie was also necessary for Kris' plan - remember, the only reason Toriel let Susie stay the night was because her car's tires were slashed, and the only reason Kris had time to slash the tires was because Toriel had to bake a new pie to give Susie. If Kris hadn't already eaten the whole pie, Susie would've just eaten it and then Toriel would've taken her home, leaving Kris unable to pull her into the Chapter 3 Dark World.

[@mattcatt1165]

@@crazygamingoscar7325 Asgore was kicked from the police force. That's why Undyne is now the chief.

[@crazygamingoscar7325]

@@mattcatt1165 Ik. Doesn't mean he doesn't still pay attention to what's going on.

[@rompevuevitos222]

I hate the "but they wouldn't reveal the knight this early" Yes, yes they would. Because "who is the knight" is not that big of a plot point that needs to be left for later. The story has just started and we have no idea what the final mysteries will look like. It is very likely that the identity of the knight is a very tiny piece of the larger puzzle, and that it is necessary to show it now for the later parts of the puzzle to be laid out.

[@ZodiaXmasteR794]

yeah, this is what i've been thinking as well; the knight's identity is not the major puzzle piece. The thing we should be asking is what is Kris's motive if they are the knight? (And why are they doing this in the first place?)

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@ZodiaXmasteR794Exactly, and that's just the more obvious point. We are 2 chapters in, there's gonna be more questions to answer later.

[@the_chill_man]

I personally don’t believe in Kris knight (I think that Cris is definitely connected to the knight or gaster or whoever the big bad is in some way, I just like other candidates more) but I do agree that argument is dumb

[@myname5864]

I'm pretty sure Queen's dialogue about the fountain being created "today" is because she's a computer, who interprets time very literally, so even if the fountain was created immediately after midnight, she would still say that the world was created "today" even though that isn't how most people would think of time.

[@cokesloth]

bro what

[@myname5864]

@@cokesloth I'm referring to how computers keep track of time very rigidly, in increments of 24 hours, so as soon as the clock goes to midnight, it's a new day, even though most people are still asleep and wouldn't think of it being a new day until around 6 or 7 AM. Also I'm a girl lol

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@myname5864EVERYONE says "today" to refer to the last 24 hours tho.

[@gastonzumbo9860]

that's great but imagine explaining things like that narratively, it's really convoluted

[@MattTOB618]

But Berdly and Noelle's stuff is already set up on the table when they return to the Light World, and they're also sitting at the desk (while Susie and Kris, who came in afterward, are standing near the entrance), implying that they were able to set up their study session before the Dark World formed.

[@nicenoob12345]

I am SO HAPPY someone FINALLY said that the closet dialogue saying that "A large person could fit inside" doesn't mean it's talking about the knight, it has bothered me for YEARS that people use that as evidence.

[@cocoellawella9315]

16:36 I think that the ‘history’ of the dark worlds aren’t something that happens in an instant, but rather are the histories of the light world inanimate objects given consciousness by the dark fountain.

[@CantusTropus]

I'd argue this is actually necessary. Chaos King couldn't be mad at Lightners for abandoning the classroom unless he remembered Lightners playing with them in the old days, and I doubt those schoolkids were opening Dark Fountains.

[@aldenaoc8847]

I like the idea that Kris has a super low HP bar in the light world, which gets drained when their soul is out of their body, and the reason they ate the whole pie that night was because it’s a full heal

[@shellpoptheepicswordmaster755]

Since Kris has a knife, they can cut the pie into many slices for many full heals.

[@Stoopid420]

This would imply that the pie is a magic pie and not a regular pie right? Since monster food in undertale is able to restore health by being made of magic rather than organic ingredients?

[@zeo4481]

Kris eating the Pie is VERY important as Susie and Toriel wouldn't be baking a new one if the old one was still there, Toriel wouldn't be distracted and she wouldn't go to her car for some extra flour to check on the tires. Kris IS the Knight and they know EXACTLY how this will all play out

[@mordenator865]

What the hell why is this video so long you have blessed me to procrastinate for another hour thank you

[@ShirubaGin]

No problem!

[@eggg328]

WRONG i'm actually the knight

[@ShirubaGin]

No! I am !

[@Goobert77]

​@@ShirubaGin nuh uh It's me

[@D-Lock-8]

Nah I'm the knight

[@funnylittlecreature]

kris sockpuppet account

[@the_chill_man]

Y’all it’s me trust

[@capiest]

when i played deltarune i just kind of assumed kris was the knight lol, so i was confused when i went onto youtube and everyone was discoursinf abt it

[@ShirubaGin]

Exactly!

[@Fragmentsinfractals488]

My theory is that the Dark, Large closet is Queen's Basement where Spamton's Neo's suit is. The Closet mentions "Old Electronics" in it, And Spamton Neo is a reference to Mettaton's Body, which is an a part of the "older game" Undertale. Also, it is implied in Deltarune that Neo is concept Art Haptsablok made that never actually got created, but that was "posted on the Internet", similar to the "God of Hyperdeath" being Art Asriel made for a Game. Also, The Suit is supposed to make you Big enough to "See into Heaven", which means if actually worked, Spamtom would [becomed] a Lightner and appear [Big] in the closet.

[@rompevuevitos222]

The basement is basically the computer's recycling bin. When you delete something, it is not completely removed, the deleted memory is simply "unmapped" and the computer treats it as if it was empty for the purposes of writing to it. After beating pacifist NEO, Swatch has some extra information: The basement is filled with "corrupted and forgotten data", exactly what you'd get with unmapped memory. The NEO shape was made by someone who drew it (as said by Swatch) and then was "forgotten" after being left in the computer unattended for a long time, then Spamton merely rescued it. If the file was simply stored like nomral, it wouldn't get corrupted just from lack of use (that's simply not how computers work) The closet may be closer to the alleys that you traverse with noelle, which is where you find Spamton in both routes.

[@3DFella]

9:20, I do want to point out, Kris and Susie spend a lot of time in CastleTown, probably like atleast half an hour canonically. The knight making the fountain while Noelle and berdly were in the room actually works completely. Also for the “coincidence” point, the knight could have motives that involve our main lightner protagonists, specifically wanting our protagonists to be in the dark worlds for some yet unknown purpose. Also, somebody slams the door shut behind Kris and Susie in chapter 1 when they enter the supply closet. This could’ve been the knight, who wanted Kris and Susie to fall into the dark world. 40:23 Another thing I wanna point out, Dess being a human is impossible. Why? Well the Undertale Alarm Clock dialogue mentions that Rudy had two daughters, and in the xbox version of Undertale, Sans mentions "That antlered girl and her big sis". Rudy's daughter could not have been human, she would've been killed for her soul. 49:27 The second voice only sounds like Chara in japanese because it's talking in the same "serious" tone that Chara uses. But you know who else uses that tone in Japanese? Susie when she's pissed off at Kris, and Sans. It isn't Chara exclusive. Also for your point being like "Kris can live just fine without the soul" uhhh no, they can't. It doesn't just "make them slower", they're practically limping. The way Kris is animated without the soul pretty obviously conveys that they're pushing through some kind of pain. Plus the way they react to spamton's demise is very indicative of how unstable they feel without a soul.

[@ShirubaGin]

It doesn't say anywhere in the game that they can or cannot move. Them not being able to move is a theory.

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

Noelle and Birdly would have to be the least observant people in the universe to not notice the knight stepping out of the closet, stabbing the ground, and the room being filled with dark energy. And don't say they didn't notice because they were asleep because that's out of character for both of them. Also the Knight couldn't leave the library at that time thanks to the traffic jam which would limit the knight candidates to Undyne and the Annoying Dog. Also Kris limping without the soul doesn't mean they would literally perish without it it just means they're less mobile than normal which would in no way prevent them from getting to the library. They still seem pretty mobile being able to jump in and out of a window without it, so I'm honestly willing to bet that Kris isn't actually debilitated without the soul at all and just pretends to be weak to convince us otherwise. And it seems to have worked on you.

[@thefunborgpl]

@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox i mean there's a possibility that berdly and noelle where knocked out by the knight when they realized that berdly and noelle weren't going anywhere anytime soon

[@itmightbevid]

33:49 oooooh I love when people make really good theories about things that are small but could turn out important in the full game like you just did with the naming sequence getting reactions out of gaster I saw the list again recently and thought it was weird how QC was there but your explanation is soooo good. I've been always liked Kris Knight but this theory uses it to connect so many small things that literally could all be coincidences or could be the best foreshadowing in the world, and I love that.

[@ShirubaGin]

Thank you! It could be foreshadowing, only Toby knows for sure currently. Realizing what it was when trying to fall asleep one night was something

[@the_chill_man]

I’m an Alvin believer but I never thought Cris was out of the question, some people are pissed at the idea lol

[@brastionskywarrior6951]

Ralsei did send berdly and noelle to sleep. Ralsei has reasons to send noelle and berdly to sleep -ralsei saw berdly try to open a fountain, he does not want more fountains. Telling noelle and berdly its a dream means they are of no risk -ralsei has a lot of knowledge about the lw and has been the instigator of seeing other things (susie’s fight with lancer, noelle + susie’s ferris wheel thing) implying he would know susie told noelle it was a dream. Ralsei trusts susie and will back her up. Also this means noelle isnt a risk Ralsei has the opportunity -ralsei stays behind with noelle and berdly as the fountain closes in the normal route “What about snowgrave” Berdly is frozen chicken, noelle is implied to be going into a deeper darker sleep by queen. In no other instance is someone sleeping after a dark fountain. Kris and susie never do this even in chapter 1.

[@ShirubaGin]

Ah that actually makes sense. He has his reasons

[@Flynnisthename]

Underrated JESUS CHRIST so much effort

[@spoode644]

Yoooo. A kris knight theory? In this economy? I'm in

[@TJ-hg6op]

My hate when people put Kris in like the “impossible” tier for Kris being the knight. When Kris is the only person we actually saw make a fountain and has by far the most evidence both psychologically and actually to being the knight.

[@fivelike11]

I loved seeing the JaruJaru note regarding the whole queen speech I always found it funny how he twists stuff around in the weirdest ways to fit his theories

[@CantusTropus]

Noelle talking to Rudy about falling asleep in the Weird Route isn't evidence against Kris Knight, IMO. Noelle is clearly rationalising what happened, coming up with the only explanation that she can think of that doesn't require her to believe that she actually turned into an ice mage and killed a bunch of people. She isn't describing what actually happened, she's describing what she thinks MUST have happened because she can't/doesn't want to consider any other possibility.

[@brickhammer0464]

This video is so well put together, my dude! This has honestly convinced me that Kris knight is the simplest option. Obviously that still leaves the same question with every other candidate of why they’re doing this, which is probably the more important question but it’s much harder to speculate about.

[@cameron28]

I think it has to do with the player and Kris’s rebellion to us. Maybe they also just want an escape and fun like Susie?

[@mister_r447]

In "undertale winter alarm clock", Noelle and Dess are referenced. Meaning that they exist in the underground of undertale which wouldn't make sense if Dess was human.

[@DogDogGodFog]

Yup. A gaping hole in the theory. You'd have to make a whole new megatheory about how either: A) Dess was to be raised in secret, sheltered from the rest of the Underground. B) Dess was to always wear a monster costume when going out. C) Both of the above. D) Some other concealment methods were to be in use. The most gaping question though, is what would have excused her from being pulled into the Determination Experiments. You could technically say that due to the strong friendship between the Holidays and Asgore, Asgore would have had the authority to excuse Dess. But pressure from the citizens of the Underground would come anyway, wouldn't it? Here, again, this could work if Dess were to pretend to be a monster when out in public, and only the Holidays (and perhaps also the Dreemurrs) were to know about her being a human.

[@lilacpenguin5329]

This was incredible, thank you sooo so much for enabling my deltarune obsession, this was a concise and wonderful way to organize a lot of different ideas and some of my favorite theories, too, and i loved your take on things. good luck, and i look forward to more videos from you if you keep it up!!!

[@ShirubaGin]

Thank you! 🙏 I would love to do more but it really depends on whenever there's enough interesting things to speculate about the closer we get to the end of the game or if people will believe in something I find silly enough for me to make a 1 hour video correcting it. The closer we get the more obvious what it'll go for will be clear. Maybe I'm just thinking this way because I'm too confident lol. Unrelated from Deltarune tho I have had a couple of video ideas. Did a video showcasing mashups so I thought a video about trying to showcase other hobbies I started doing at points.

[@k.okirbe]

it's me im the knight

[@FabbeNJ369]

Are you also Gaster?

[@k.okirbe]

@@FabbeNJ369 nop he's gonna show up in the supermarket to cover for sans in chapter 4

[@auramaster2068]

Holy hell, it's Kris Deltarune!

[@ibdora05]

LOL

[@ShirubaGin]

NO I AM THE KNIGHT!

[@jacobkakyoin6882]

Even taking the game over screen as saying the world fell into darkness as completely straightforward, there’s a very obvious counterpoint to anyone saying that disproves Kris-as-knight: you can only die in a dark world. Which means dying stops it from being sealed. Which supposedly covers the world in darkness. It’d still be able to happen from then on even if another fountain was never made again. Been crazy to me all these years seeing the fandom gaslight itself into believing we didn’t straight up watch the Ch 2 ending reveal the knight to us. Haven’t heard a single theory even a fraction as interesting or compelling. Do people just really not like the idea of Kris doing things that run counter to the player or something?

[@rompevuevitos222]

No, the world is covered in darkness if too many fountains are opened, which would cause the light to darkness ratio to shift too much (the intro talks about this balance quite a bit) But so far, 2 fountains are perfectly sustainable.

[@A_Repeating_Paradox]

​@@rompevuevitos222could be without the soul kris doesn't seal the fountains

[@gingergingey8271]

29:05, Queen saying anyone can make a dark fountain is her theory, the line is "Could Not Anyone Make A Dark Fountain?", she was theorising, not stating a fact.

[@g.pothala6830]

Yoooooo, finally someone presents the theory with a bunch of some things I have been thinking!!!! I loved your video

[@slyblue8761]

About revealing Kris is the knight so early and people saying "Toby Fox wouldn't do this", OH REALLY?? It's not like he literally revealed that Ralsei Looks like Asriel ON THE VERY FIRST CHAPTER. That seems like a big important twist for me. Sure, there's also the anagram, but revealing his face so early? I've already seen people talking how that also was too soon, to me it seems like it might be a pattern of revealing big things at the end of every chapter.

[@ultra254]

why we talkin bout timeloops, I just wanted to hear about kris knight crying emoji

[@sagaevan9641]

thought that came to me in the last quarter of the video: all videogame stories are just timeloops. the characters experience everything for the first time, regardless of how many hundreds of playthroughs we do. and yet, when we as players replay the game, we don't lose our knowledge of what came before, we keep our skill and sometimes even all our loot in the case of a new game plus. these characters become masters of their world at the same time they look upon it for the first time. basically, our place in the story of deltarune is as a guide. idk, definitely needs to cook more

[@ahmedmx3575]

this is what happens when you dont release a hyped game for 3 years

[@ShirubaGin]

I agree tho people have made longer videos than my own

[@Minusbluye]

I can't believe the only character depicted as a knight is the knight, crazy.

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

1 HOUR Deltarune theory? Thank you for the meal, I've been starved for Deltarune (theory) content!

[@roskoetgc]

Dude this is great and underrated, and I totally agree with you!

[@luigifan4393]

this is not a KZbin Poop Music Video

[@ShirubaGin]

It is one if you believe in yourself

[@mallory.22]

Yes it is

[@3DFella]

EVERY VIDEO IS A KZbin POOP MUSIC VIDEO IF ONLY YOU BELIEVE IT SO, DO YOU BELIEVE IT SO?

[@bearerofthecurse69]

I’ve been a Kris knight believer since the moment I saw the scene where they made a fountain, thank you king 🙏🙏🙏

[@ShirubaGin]

The Kris gang is here for each other 🙏🙏🙏

[@bearerofthecurse69]

@@ShirubaGin The Krang 💪💪💪💪💪

[@drgxiii]

42:50 Maybe when you die and restart you aren't going backwards, you're going forwards into a new loop.

[@RandoART2023]

the editing is S-tier!

[@ShirubaGin]

Thanks 🐐

[@TheTrueXaver]

Susie making the chapter 4 dark fountain in spite of Catti is a GREAT idea and i honestly wanna see it now

[@facelessfan8203]

I let you cook. Now for the taste test...you make some decent points. I'm not against Kris Knight theory...butI'm not all for it either.

[@xdavis3536]

i love outlandish theories because theyre like speculative fanfiction for people with fandom brainrot. it's also really funny when the crackpot theories accidentally guess weird foreshadowing correctly

[@hbudson1248]

47:19 expanding on the idea of the player being the Angel for a sec- bc I agree but I reached the conclusion a slightly different way, that I feel is worth emphasizing It's to do with the phrase "the Angel's heaven". See, the more Dark Fountains there are, the more cool escapist fun we as players have to play. Now think about the Roaring- when the balance tips into the favor of that darkness. What's heaven to a game's player? A game that never ends.

[@BrendaK7200]

Me omw to insert literally any Deltarune theory i like into my personal headcanon for Deltarune:

[@gamingwither3664]

Why do i feel like Noelle would accidentally make a dark world, testing what she learned in the " dream "

[@anarchistcayzo]

I feel like its pretty clear kris is supposed to be the knight unless toby fox is literally trying to mislead us here

[@ZodiaXmasteR794]

Damn, how the hell did i not notice this before, but the concept of 'Long Hand' being an expression of the Knight's power and influence is very convincing considering that's what the Knight literally is, a God-like figure that is able to influence Dark World through the fountains.

[@shadowstrike07]

I believe chapter 3 will confirm whether Kris Knight is true or not. This video definitely has made Kris Knight make more sense to me!

[@rancidavocado2166]

Human.... i remember you're fountains

[@BeaJumpup]

the editing in this is crazy!!!! really enjoyed this one u were super clear and entertaining throughout!! i was super surprised when i saw the view and subscriber count!! crazy underrated stuff here i hope it makes it big!!

[@ShirubaGin]

Thanks a lot! That's very nice of you to say. I remember watching your nelward interview!

[@BeaJumpup]

@@ShirubaGin omg that is insane!! small world!!

[@alejotassile6441]

For me... that bunker... that was were Dess dissapeared, and it somehow happened while Kris was around or because of Kis, probably none of the police officers would believe Kris that a "dark fountain" appeared and consumed Dess, so maybe this is their weird way of showing undyne that THIS exists, and that's why there's a dialogue with the option to tell her, because Kris WANTS undyne to know that this was what happened to Dess!

[@krazyivan9733]

Did you know that evidence points towards Kris manipulting things even before chapter 1. They more than likely told everyone they wouldnt be coming to school that day, which causes monster kid to not wait to become partners with Kris. This effectively steals away the option to become MKs partner and forces Kris to become partners with susie. I can explain in greater depth later, but the gist of it is that it does not make sense for alphys and the entire class to write Kris off as a no show that early.

[@ShirubaGin]

Ah shit that's true, tho when I was talking about Kris manipulating people I was talking about the darkners.

[@krazyivan9733]

@@ShirubaGin but kris DOES manipulate people, did you not notice? For example, when Kris slashed the tires, they made sure to have toriel catch just a tiny sight of them, so she would check outside (when she tells susie she forgot the sugar in the car, thats just an excuse to go check outside, because earlier Susie notices that Toriel is sneaking sugar right out of the bag.) Kris LITERALLY intended for Toriel to see them prowling so that she would check the car. Thats very clear manipulation. Also, dont you findit a bit odd that the remote was in the first place susie looked? And just to let you know, the remote was dusty. But objects dont get dusty if they are tucked away somewhere. The remote would have to get left out for a long time to get dusty and then get put between the cushions. This more than likely means that the remote was hidden intentionally, given how Kris clearly prepared for the sleepover way ahead of time by eating the pie amd plugging in the tv.

[@ShirubaGin]

@@krazyivan9733 that's true. When people talk about the knight they talk about how they're manipulating the darkners by going into the dark worlds, but I talk about how that isn't the case. Kris hasn't manipulated the dark worlds before entering them with Susie and friends, but they are absolutely manipulating people in the light world.

[@esmepipkin6087]

If the timeloop theory is correct, I'd love to have a Bravely Default sorta thing happen where you have to play a few times to get the real story/endings. Not as awful as 6 full playthroughs, maybe a playthrough for each save file, with some little differences after the first to show it's not just a fool's errand. Though whatever happens, I'm sure it'll be amazing.

[@SPCOOKIE]

i had no idea u made actual videos besides ytpmvs nonetheless this is great and I see u applied some of those skills to this long form type of video really well

[@ShirubaGin]

Thanks a lot!

[@leedlelel2373]

a great piece of obscure evidence as to kris having planned things all along is the changed sink text at the beginning of chapter 2 "It is not yet time to wash your hands." also while i agree with everything else in the video i still cannot fathom how people dont realize the reason specifically kris susie and noelle get special dialogue for the character creator is because theyre the only ones with common real life names, thats literally it, its why the voice even says "YOU ARE ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE VERY SPECIAL." The part where you went off with the rest of the names being the ones who enter the dark worlds... that is kinda super stretching, they are all relevant npcs and that is the reason why The rest is either because they arent significant enough or because their names are too long for the creator (Pizzapants)

[@auramaster2068]

I think rather than showing a timeloop, the shadow crystals show a reality in which you don't exist. This makes a lot of sense if Kris is the Knight, when using the crystals in dark worlds that the Knight created, you see that they don't exist. If this is a reality where you don't exist, then that means without Kris the fountains would never exist which points to them being the Knight. You see Susie with a cold expression because she never went through her growth in Chapter 1, the closet dark world is unchanged because Kris didn't make it, and you see through Kris' hand because Kris wouldn't exist. I just don't see how seeing through Kris' hand connects to the timeloop thing. I don't really agree with the player angel theory either, since it doesn't really make sense for the player to have been the angel in Undertale. The angel is said to have seen the surface, which makes sense if the angel is Asriel or Chara, but the player doesn't have to see the surface at all in Undertale so you can't be the angel. I think this is gonna be the same case in Deltarune, that the player isn't the angel.

[@godslaughter]

So wild but Queen's "And Made" reminds me of Spamton's "YOU'VE BEEN [Making], HAVEN'T YOU!"

[@linkispink382]

at some point in the spamton fight, he says "YOU'VE BEEN [making) HAVEN'T YOU?" which sounds a lot like what queen said about the knight "making". as if "making" refers to opening a fountain, meaning spamton DOES recognize kris as a/the knight

[@blueberrimuffin6682]

Exclusively in the weird route, where he says specifically Kris and Noelle have been [making] [Hyperlink Blocked.]

[@FlamingLily]

Ralsei tells us that the fountain was made while we were in control of Kris and Susie. He says he only sensed it after we entered. So unless ralsei is also working for the knight....

[@funnylittlecreature]

you and i are shaking hands in the face of one thousand wrong people right now. you and me and every other person who knows kris is the knight against the world

[@leritykay8911]

That sounds kinda cultish lol

[@funnylittlecreature]

@@leritykay8911 that's probably because i was being purposefully exaggerative in a figurative language technique known as "hyperbole" in order to make a "joke"

[@leritykay8911]

@@funnylittlecreature fair. I added "lol" at the end of my comment to show that I wasn't being entirely serious either

[@funnylittlecreature]

@@leritykay8911 awesome. so we're all on the same page here. i love when something comes together like this

[@roowco1]

i want to point out that if you skip chapter 1, one of the actions that will be made for you, is talking to undyne about the dark worlds. one interpretation of that is kris themselves does want undyne to know about the dark fountains. This info doesn't change anything, you did say she was a part of kris's plan, but i thought you'd might find it interesting.

[@aimfulRenegade]

26:48 It says that it looks like someone accidentally printed spam, so it's still possible that kris did it on purpose and made it look like an accident.

[@ShirubaGin]

The narration in Deltarune is rather inconsistent but from Kris' perspective they know that someone left on the laptop cause they did it, while all the spam mail looks like it was accidentally printed out because that's what it looks like to Kris or the narrator or whatever.

[@NickNui]

I mostly just feel like the idea of Kris being the Knight and the player being the Angel would be a great final reveal towards the end of the game.

[@whocaresaboutthename6850]

Gaster will be revealed in Chapter 6

[@ponocni1]

I actually love the idea of Dess being Human. It would add a lot of interesting possibilities.

[@mister_r447]

In "undertale winter alarm clock", Noelle and Dess are referenced. Meaning that they exist in the underground of undertale which wouldn't make sense if Dess was human.

[@roka9083]

6:03 i think kris opening the door doesn’t have to mean anything sinister, imo dark worlds start to form after you close a door (e.g the closet door being shut when kris abd susie fall and the door to the cyber world being closed when you go to the library) 9:51 also the closet is literally just a reference to giga queen lol 14:47 kris could’ve used the wagon to bring the soul with them so y’know if they started dying they could easily put the soul back in 16:16 do we have evidence of ralsei knowing the identity of the knight? because if we don’t then that can just be explained as him not knowing but if he does know then it’d be pretty in character for him not to say anything, he’s a very big pushover and wants to do anything to make the lightners happy, also ralsei seems like he knows what’s about to happen who knows, maybe in ralsei and kris’s private talks they’re discussing what to do next 19:21 honestly the books are such a minuscule and insignificant detail that i don’t think it even matters that much 23:07 i’d say the use of they/it pronouns are more so just to keep the identity ambiguous 28:56 oh i actually like this idea a lot i never considered it but you just made me realise how that could be foreshadowing susie and noelle creating a fountain 39:27 and also the secret bosses are stuff you have to actively search for… waow 45:16 funny how ralsei is someone who wants to stick to the script but only with noelle can you break the script idk something to think abt 50:18 my opinion about noelle angel is that she is an angel symbolically speaking but i don’t think she’s the literal angel at least not in the normal route, i definitely can picture her becoming an angel in the weird route because if the angel is meant to be a god like figure then i think it’s possible we are building up noelle to be that god like the weird route is about becoming more stronger so you can be able to do things that were never possible (like you’re literally breaking the game) so maybe noelle becomes the angel who knows 53:24 i don’t think the player will be seen as bad idk i think there will be a moment at the end of the game being like “hey, why am i getting banished? this is bs!” bc i think deltarune WILL pay a lot of attention to our choices and if that all surmounts to “you’re getting banished lol none of it mattered in the end” i can’t imagine that ending in a way without being unsatisfying 58:36 i hate this argument ITS CALLED DRAMATIC IRONY also people acting like kris being the knight would immediately solve all the mysteries surrounding them like no we still don’t know what their motivations are

[@Yuti640]

The closet represents Queen’s Mansion, the large person referencing the Giga Queen statue fitting inside, how does nobody understand this

[@PurelessAgama]

13:43 This is stupid. If skipping dialogue skips what the person is saying then it also skips any movements that usually take longer if you are reading it. Like if you never proceed from a dialogue box then the characters arent really just staring at eachother for weeks. The world is just frozen. So when we skip Susies and Toriels dialogue we also skip Kris's movements

[@KynG5]

The weird thing about the Library Fountain that goes against ANY character being the Knight that was the one to open that Fountain is this: Burghley and Noelle were conscious when the Fountain was made (this being made evident by their books being open once they woke up after THE HOLY). _Why don't they remember who the Knight was? Or even think to bring it up??_ Berdly not bringing up the Knight would be... acceptable in this case, seeing as he functionally fills the Lancer's "butt-of-the-joke character" role of CH 2, but *Noelle* saying *nothing* about the Knight is _incredibly weird._ Mainly due to Queen's insistence that she be the *next* one. She could have, at *any* time, said "actually the Knight is still alive and here's who it is" but she DOESN'T. It's just so _strange_

[@spookykabooki7841]

every theory i hear w low mic quality is so based

[@michaelkindt3288]

@21:48-.- have you heard the term yowi hand?

[@Quinhala11]

Why would anyone take notice of a person walking out the library?

[@tearsofthekingdom9062]

Not being rude but Kris eats whole pies in the middle of the night constantly, once Toriel says she had to lock the oven

[@jprulzful]

Maybe the true knight were the knights we knighted along the knight.

[@jerrytheinsatiable9629]

Hey great video, even if I don't agree with Kris being the knight, you brought up some very interasting thing that I never considered, like there being more to intros of the game! All in all, great video even I don't agree with everything

[@eltrolo1151]

Something most wonder is, how could he create the dark fountains if we see them most of the time? Well, I have the belief that perhaps, dark worlds take time to generate, for example in chapter one, when we go into the closet and we find a very, very dark room, which means that it was just being generated, which means that the story that ralsei tells us was also generated a few moments ago, but that it still mentions that another fountain was generated in the next room, which means that it was also generated recently, but how? Because dark worlds take time to generate, not fountains, worlds

[@Watcher-pt6uq]

Maybe the Knight was the Knight's we made along the way.

[@funnylittlecreature]

you're so right. god

[@cofeejoe2882]

I think it really depends on where toby wants to go with the story, which we arent super sure yet. That said, this is very well puttogether and i can see it as a possibility. but i dont trust stories like that (?) Pffff, narratively it really feels like a misdirection, a red herring. So im at a "wait and see" point of this journey, this is the more solid proof for kris knight ive seen tho, beautifully executed

[@ShirubaGin]

Thank you! 🙏🙏

[@ofconsciousness]

1 hr UT/DR video? You got yourself a sub from me.

[@lolkickdude2692]

i just think it would be boring if kris was the night, that’s my only reason holding me back from believing it could be them

[@ShirubaGin]

Okay but I did go further with the idea in this. There's multiple knights / there is no "knight". Anyone that makes a fountain is the knight of that world. Kris just happened to be the one that made the C1, C2 and C3 fountains.

[@weirdtwinkie103]

11:00 the thing about spamton is you have to go alone in most of his encounters and his areas

[@123phi123]

I think Kris opening the door still makes sense if they're not the knight. They know the police are stopping by, and they could have opened the dark fountain so that the police would see the dark world firsthand and actually believe them about it

[@user-by1xd9sl7u]

I'll admit, I had low expectations from this video, but i was pretty impressed by you, i'm gonna watch more from you. As for the theory itself, i think your point about the multiple knights thing will depend on chapter 3. depending on how the darkners talk about Kris and the knight in the third dark world could give us a lot of context about how the knight works. for instance if the chapter three villain talks about the knight like they met them but doesn't recognize Kris as said knight (like King and Queen did) then Kris knight could be incredibly believable. but if they recognize Kris as the knight, or don't mention a knight at all, it makes this theory a lot less plausible basically chapter three likely will completely debunk or prove Kris as the knight. maybe this was obvious to everyone else, but i wouldn't have realised without this video, so great job

[@ShirubaGin]

I know. Even then if Kris gets called the knight then that immediately confirm they made the card kingdom or the cyber world considering the fountain can affect darkners' behavior like with King and Queen.

[@Benzinilinguine]

18:45 Wait. You're right. That means it CANT be Kris, Suzie, Noelle or Burghley. Noelle and Berb are SITTING DOWN. They must have been sitting down when the dark world was made. Kris and Suzie came in AFTER it was made, so they were at the door. Whoever the knight is, was in the closet. In my mind, that's confirmed.

[@ShirubaGin]

They were not at the door they were at the table, it's literally at the point timestamped

[@Quinhala11]

The Knight goes to the library and hides in the closet --> Noelle and Berdly walk in and fall asleep --> Knight opens the fountain and leaves. That's what the game implies happened. You don't even really address the closet lol, you just say it's bad because.. you don't like it?? It's a very specific line, Berdly isn't a large person but would even be the point in hiding his corpse, Queen isn't a person she is a laptop, there's no one it could be referring to outside of the Knight. We do know Noelle and Berdly fell asleep because Noelle says so in the weird route dialogue with Rudy. I don't understand what your argument against this was lol, she literally admitted it. Kris and Susie and Susie literally jumped in so they would still in front of the door lol, they didn't arbitrarily end up to the other side of the room.

[@rompevuevitos222]

There is 0 proof that the knight "hid" in the closet nor is there any relevant plot regarding the closet. The closest thing to "relevance" is that Kris points out that someone could fit inside, in which case it just makes it even more likely that it was him. The knight could have perfectly well had opened the fountain and fled before it spread, since it takes some time for it to form a dark world.

[@Quinhala11]

@@rompevuevitos222 Not the "closest thing" to relevance, just relevance. "A large person could easily fit inside". It can't be referring to Berdly since he's not a large person and since there would be no point in hiding him, he's a monster and narrative wise it's obvious he'll be found. Can't be Queen because she's a laptop. Can't be Kris or Noelle because they're not large (CH2 literally makes a joke about Kris being small). Can't be Susie because why the hell. The only other person that we know has been in the Computer Lab is the Knight so it's them. Kris didn't point anything out, they don't talk, the narrator isn't Kris. Yeah the Knight ran away that's my point.

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@Quinhala11Again, a simple line of text saying that doesn't mean anything. "Someone large can fit", that's all it says. Not that someone entered it or plans on entering it. That part is made up by you. Because if we're making stuff up, it could also mean a variety of things. Maybe Kris saw someone enter the closet in the past. Maybe he was stuffed in there before.

[@ShirubaGin]

I do address the closet. I mention what other meanings it could have, and why the fountain had to have been made earlier. The Sweet Cap'n Cakes dialogue. If a character known for gaslighting themselves gaslights themselves into thinking they didn't murder a person then why would it be impossible if they gaslight themselves into thinking they fell asleep? The fact that they say that they fell asleep specifically in the weird route, the route where Noelle tries their best to forget about the dark world because of their experience, shows that she might not have fallen asleep at all. That was the point I tried to make.

[@GodChaos333]

Gonna be a long reply, but i agree with the closet part. The whole closet thing always makes me roll my eyes. I really dont think its related to the knight at all. Its clearly just a morbid detail for the weird route to realistically hide birdly so that the main story could believably continue the same. Regardless if you went weird route or normally. Also like you say. If someone made the fountain while noelle and birdly was there. How the hell did they not notice the loud sound of the foutain being made and the slow fill up of darkness. And then not mention any of that at all if they did experience it? Makes zero sense. If they saw scary darkness approuching. Birdly would for sure run from it. Noelle could be scared stiff, but not birdly. On other point. I also kinda like the theory of the time loop. Not all of the Jaru theory needs to be correct, but the time loop would be sick.

[@ShirubaGin]

An endless timeloop would have been a pretty fucked dream for Toby to have considering the whole game was based of a dream

[@marsgreekgod]

People forget the first dark world didnt let them fall right away. Enough time to go set down their books then fall in

[@jamesverner9132]

thank you thank you thank you This dumb closet is such a crutch argument to so many theories that i honestly wounder why some random other elements don't get picked apart more often? For example (DID the knight also make a traffic jam just to trap kris and susie in the dark world) this is way to stupid to consider but because it exists i can make that case. Unfortunately the truth has only one answer and i think its clear to all that the closet is used to hid berdly in snow grave AND NOTHING MORE. Giving it a multi purpose ignores so much other evidence that i question its popularity. Is it just more fun to simplify it or is it impossible to think creative knight alternatives without it? Personally i believe that some knight activity is Kris's fault but most other KNIGHT activity is Dess holiday trapped in the code opening up dark worlds (somehow) to try and build a bridge of darkness to escape the void and get back home. My evidence is thin but i believe this is perfect motive for the knights decisions. Dark fountains are powerful magic and every time we seal the fountain we are transported back home. Everything else from the dreamlike wonderlands to the apocalyptic Roaring are just byproducts to a very simple, very despite plan. I don't know if the knight knows what they are doing but if your "Determined" enough Freedom might just be worth destroying a world. TL;DR if their was no closet people would assume someone was hiding in the TRASH BIN just to counter the kris is the knight theory.

[@nohandd-cn8lh]

yeah, I think the closet is there for the soul reason of putting berdlys body in there in the weird rout, theres no way with the traffic jam the kinght was in there, waited for noelle and berdly to fall asleep (when studying and thats weird who sleeps when they study? and studying with another person at that) then make the dark world, and if noelle & berdly were awake like you said there's no damn way they wouldn't see the dark fountain being made

[@hibilbo4755]

as much as kris is *probably* the knight, I cant get over that Noelle and Berdley would have to go to the library and CLEARLY SEE the darkness coming out of the room, and then just go into it??? I just dont see how those two getting into the dark world makes any sense unless the knight was in the closet and made the fountain while they were in the room

[@ShirubaGin]

Them going into to the room isn't out of place. Susie and Kris do it. I point that out. Have you ever walked into a extremely dark room before? Probably, at least once.

[@hibilbo4755]

@@ShirubaGin sure I have, but never to one thats somehow leaking darkness to the outside world, if I open a door and the room around me gets darker I sure as hell am not going in that room. but maybe those two would, I just find it hard to believe that they'd see and take note of the room being so dark it sucks the light out of everything around it and write that off as part of the dream while having no memory of them going into the room like normal we also have no evidence that objects the lightners have on them can be moved while they're in a dark world, we know they can move but can their books get opened? maybe, but my gut instinct is no (we'll just have to see in future chapters)

[@gabrielrochadasilva3183]

According to Sweet Capn' Cakes, Queen went crazy when the fountain appeared. According to Plug Girl, Queen went crazy when the internet went out. Therefore, the internet going out and the fountain being made happened at about the same time.

[@epicphantom589]

Maybe when the soul breaks Kris is free to create more fountains

[@WhiteCresentKnight]

The pie thing is likely a joke to cover the implication that Kris self harms, a kid can have a knife for reasons other them opening fountains.

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

"Is it not obvious?" *That's the problem. It's TOO obvious* To be fair I think Kris is the knight, but I understand that there's a margin of error, and I don't mean a 1% margin of error to a 101% calculation But yeah if Kris isn't the knight, it's because Toby's pulling a "Eyyyy you thought all those hints meant anything nah I was just messing with you" like Scott Cawthon Multiple Knights theory: I could see Noelle and Susie doing it once or twice After all, Susie IS considered "A dark knight who uses Rude energy to attack" I could absolutely see a "Oh yeah? Well I know REAL magic!" sort of deal lol And then Ralsei is going to be mad at Susie for like... half a chapter until he inevitably forgives her so long as she promises not to do it again *Omg maybe that's when Susie will actually have a good healing move bc Catti will teach it to her* 43:38 ... Wait a second. *uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHH* "You can't understand how this feels, knowing that at any moment, without warning, it could all be reset" *uHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH* "Sans might be a darkner" (Or could have just seen the Roaring happen) *UHHHHHHHHHHHHH* *YOU MIGHT BE R I G H T* Ironically... That's how I felt about the OG Ribbit mod. *_[SPOILER ALERT start!]_* Ribbit is a mod for deltarune with, spoiler alert, no happy endings. At least, the first time you play it. There's a joke ending where Ralsei dies and you just own a shoe store for the rest of your life, and there's a "Good" ending where a special power is used to "Delete" the mod in game/canon, but other than that... Once you step into that dark world, it's over for you. I always thought it was... poetic, you know? Despite all the happy parts of the silly/serious journey, it always ended... badly. It feels kind of like the reset roaring theory. And just like how I can see the Reset Roaring theory going... There's... one way out of it all. There's one hidden path you can take to escape from it all... And it frees everyone. And you know what? It's also an ending I like. *_[SPOILER ALERT end!]_* tl;dr, play the Ribbit mod, it's kind of like the theory and it's just for Chapter 1 and the Survey Program version of the mod Play it. Play it. Play it. Play it. Play it. Play it. Play it. Play it. *P L A Y I T .* Anyways, moving on lol

[@rompevuevitos222]

Being too obvious is not proper reasoning, specially for an early reveal. It does not matter who is the knight, there are bigger mysteries at play in the story than "who opened the fountain?" This is like saying "Toriel can't be Asgore's wife, it is too obvious" Yeah, so what? It is obvious because it is not that important AND it is necessary to reveal it early for it to connect to a later plot point.

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

@@rompevuevitos222 Yet the evidence for Toriel being queen before hearing it outright is much more concrete. With this one, there has been controversy and questions have been brought up over it because it's not 100% assured yet. Rather it's been 97% assured and everyone is going to be furious at Toby for pulling a fast one on us if that 3% is correct like I said in the rest of my comment There's literally a Multiple Knights theory IN THE VIDEO. It could be a completely new character. Now even I think that's complete bull but it's not _impossible_ *It's not an argument I believe I can win, nor do I believe in it, for the record, just like I said in my comment* But if Toby pulls the fastest one on us we've ever seen, that's how. This is for Understanding's sake

[@TheSkyGuy77]

If Kris is the Knight, why didn't the Spade King recognize them?

[@ShirubaGin]

I mention how in the video

[@DogDogGodFog]

A few points/notes. 1. In real life, there are gases that limit your brain's oxygen intake, and hence cause you to pass out. Maybe the Darkness from Dark Fountains has similar properties, and hence, caused Noelle and Berdly to pass out. 2. No, closing the Fountain is not the only way to exit a Dark World. We see Kris and Susie exit the Closet DW freely in Chapter 2. 3. In terms of the Dess is a human theory: Dess also existed in Undertale. If she were to also be a human in Undertale, then you'd have to make excuses, such as her being secretly raised in a basement, or something. Otherwise, either the monsters would kill her, or everyone would pressure Alphys to use her SOUL in the Determination Experiments.

[@skeletonlover3214]

Cool video