DELTARUNE THEORY: EPISODE TWO - | sans. |

[@bvxfgdxsgtstg]

Walter... You can't be the KNIGHT, Walter. You can't open a DARK FOUNTAIN on our turf, Walter. Come on, Walter... Get your hands away from that LOOP, Walter.

[@RonZ234]

Jose we need to cook

[@antulaina2994]

wultah

[@danjesk1212]

Walter put your knife away Walter.... I'm not having smoke with you Walter

[@the_chill_man]

@@danjesk1212I AM THE ONE WHO IS THE KNIGHT

[@ofconsciousness]

Also Sans says in his battle dialog that he "gave up trying to go back" AND that getting to the surface doesn't appeal to him anymore either - clearly indicating that "going back" doesn't refer to the surface. He also says during the date "you must really wanna go home. I know the feeling." Also I love your delivery, great voice performance! And I love the way you edited the script between clam girl and Sans' lab, cutting back and forth all confusing like. Great content, looking forward to more!

[@matti.8465]

Sans and Papyrus being walking paradoxes is perfectly in-character for them. Their physics defying abilities and disregard for game mechanics would also make sense considering they'd be sort of videogame characters in-universe. That begs the question though, what happened to the skeletons from Undertale's world? Did they ever exist? Did they use to but not anymore (like Rudy Holiday)? So many questions...

[@DirectalYT]

My interpretation: sans and papyrus came from deltarune. They escaped from the roaring, then ended up in undertale. During that time faster was still the royal scientist. Sans told him about the dark worlds, and gaster tried to make his own, but messed up. He FELL into the dark world, shattered him across time and space. Sans’ machine could be the machine that brought him there

[@Normoe445]

I really like your videos you explain things in such a way that you don't need to be an expert on obscure and deep Undertale lore, but still come to a novel conclusion and not just reiterate what has been covered by hundreds of other videos.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Deltarune is a world created within Undertale. Think about it. The file naming convention in Deltarune is shown as "Undertale type software". We should have seen it sooner....

[@Volian0]

the machine in sans workshop is deltarune

[@0celot9]

Or undertale is a dark fountain in a mountain

[@nickfarace9339]

Still convinced the dark fountains either resulted in Deltarune FROM Undertale, or will be a path to the world of undertale. Because we still need to answer the question of what happens if you go INTO a fountain in the dark world don't we? "This next experiment will be very, very interesting"

[@TheSkyGuy77]

​@@nickfarace9339 Deltarune characters going to Undertale would be like fictional characters from a game going into our own real world, at least from the perspective of someone from Undertale.

[@Kriscrop]

I love the emotion you put in some of the words It makes the video feel not only like a theory but also as a story My dream, is to see your channel succeed

[@Kriscrop]

"Thousands of people wishing together can't be wrong!" "The king will prove that."

[@misterbigspoon]

It says "DESCRIPTION" at 11:39... And by looking at the description of this video, it can be noticed that two letters are oddly capitalized in this sentence : "Links to everything as Well as aDditional notes can be found at the link below." W.D. Very, very interesting.

[@Vonias]

If you go into the google doc under this note, you can find another linked doc labeled "INTERFERING TRANSMISSION" which takes you to something interesting. Beginning of some kind of ARG, perhaps?

[@misterbigspoon]

@@Vonias That is a possibility.

[@stardust-reverie]

when you started talking about time loops i was imagining the jaru thing and immediately became disinterested, but when you started going over the looparound with deltarune and undertale and how sans’s very existence is sort of a weird paradoxical stable time loop, it started making a lot of sense and i think i actually like that theory, much much more than just deltarune on its own being the loop. it’d explain a lot of the weirdness with the relations between the two games and how either way the connection is there but doesn’t fully make sense, if it’s weird timey wimey bullshit of course it wouldn’t fully make sense if you try to think of it in normal terms, with gaster being shattered across time and space and not really existing normally in spacetime, why WOULD stuff like that be normal edit: i actually just remembered something else, it almost reminds me of a “solution” of sorts to the grandfather paradox i heard proposed once, which was that it creates a looping cycle of “your grandpa is alive ==> you’re born ==> you go back and kill him ==> your grandpa isn’t alive ==> you’re never born ==> you don’t exist to be able to kill him ==> your grandpa is alive ==> you’re born ==> […]” i.e. each outcome directly results in the other, but they’re mutually exclusive, so the timeline oscillates between the two, and i think it’s very possible that something along the lines of this could be happening with the worlds of undertale and deltarune

[@danifaragoi3709]

I didn't think of the jaru loop till I read your comment and I just sat here for a full minute giggling because if both these ideas were true every Deltarune loop would just launch another Sans into Undertale, presumably directly at an increasingly irritated and confused Wingus Dingus Gaster

[@stardust-reverie]

@@danifaragoi3709 AHAHAHA OH MY GOD. infinite sans duplication glitch (unpatched)

[@verity_amo]

almost as if disregarding everything Jaru related is tooootally fair and not overdone...

[@RonZ234]

​@@verity_amoye I don't get why jaru is so well disliked

[@verity_amo]

@ronz6665 Admittedly he does have a propensity for overreading things and resorting to hypotheses for his theories, but I still believe quite a few of his deductions make way too much sense (to the point where I haven't seen people refute them with anything but their own preferences)

[@omriiii4686]

I cant tell if this is a guy or a girl, but 'their' videos are theraputic i swear, i found this while watchin tv with my gf, and i swear we just sat down and watched ep 1 and 2, not talking the entire time, we then proceeded ro just go like 'holy shit, this 'they' is insane, bonding fr

[@cable_g0re]

It uses she/her/it/its pronouns according to her bio :]

[@SansINess53]

the neutral routes actually make things interesting, when you kill main monsters and kill some more monsters, sans will really hate you as he is the only one left, there is no hope for him, unless you come back.

[@SansINess53]

the picture in sans' workshop is probably about 3 smiling people and those 3 people fit the desc, are sans and papyrus along with gaster, it may connect this theory more because the picture may be about a time where gaster took in sans and papyrus or they knew about gaster at the time.

[@htttps_trippy]

I like this idea of Sans helping create Deltarune with Gaster in the Undertale universe. I don't know if you're aware of Homestuck (the project Toby Fox worked on before Undertale) but paradoxes like this are pretty commonplace in that story, and I could totally see something like that slipping into Deltarune! I'm totally on team "Sans is a Juju" lmao Also your music choice is on point! always love to hear someone rep cave story!

[@nickfarace9339]

There is no way Toby would go that demented with his story. Homestuck got too confusing for its own good, to the point where I don't think it ever actually "finished" its plot for real. Just for the characters.

[@fishbot9902]

I think they know about homestuck notice how most of the music in this video is from homestuck

[@fishbot9902]

I mostly agree with what you say in this video besides Alphys being one of the two people referenced in entry 17 just based on what the first gaster follower(ficus licker) says "It makes sense why ASGORE took so long to hire a new Royal Scientist." Hinting that there was a significant amount of time between gaster's disappearance and Alphys being hired as royal scientist

[@8pierrot89]

Ah.. So it's like, some sorta Satoko-Lambdadelta thing?? Lambdadelta creates the events that cause Satoko to become/create Lambdadelta to begin with??? A paradoxical existence with no beginning or end...

[@nickfarace9339]

Or like, Garland and Chaos in FF1

[@TheSkyGuy77]

It's like a Mobius strip of a time loop. Once you're in it, reality rewrites itself as though you were always in it

[@jam-etc]

I've been watching undertale and deltarune lore videos for years at this point and somehow I'm still out here learning new twists. this "silver key" story, I knew of it but I never put two and two together. How... I've never heard this spoken about ONCE.

[@the_mcgeeky]

It's more of a Sans Cycle than a timeloop. A timeloop makes one think of someone experiencing the same thing over and over. A cycle speaks of creation. Creation of oneself. I'm gonna throw up.

[@the_mcgeeky]

I watched your newer video first today LIKE I GET YOU GIRL YOU'RE KILLING It. I Feel so lucky to have gotten the UT bug again. This year of all years.

[@kramkrum3672]

Please read the following carefully, because I believe that out of all theorists at the moment, you're one who's on the right track to figuring out the truth of these games. Take into account the picture that you can see in Sans's workshop PRIOR to Clam Girl/the "don't forget" text. It says, "There's a photo album inside the drawer. There are photos of Sans with a lot of people you don't recognize. He looks happy." I'd argue that this is more important than the "don't forget" message as to his origins. By the time we've seen this picture in UNDERTALE, we've met everyone. Everyone who's in the Light World in DELTARUNE are all people that we've met from UNDERTALE. This means... At some point, Sans will be a Darkner that we will recruit and bring to Castle Town. The Sans in the Light World currently is a time-traveler/dimension-hopper from UNDERTALE. You can't argue that THAT version of Sans is going to go with us to Castle Town at some point, because the photo album implies that Sans was in a place that he seemed happy in, a place that he thought of as home. Time also seems to flow differently within Dark Worlds, with entire histories playing out and characters knowing each other from Dark Worlds that haven't even existed yet. Ralsei even comments that it's been so long since he had last seen Kris and Susie, which I think is more than a throwaway joke relating to the game's development. In the Light World, on the other hand, THAT version of Sans has JUST MOVED THERE. To sum everything up, there's multiple versions of Sanses running around in DELTARUNE, but it's also the place that he originated from.

[@kramkrum3672]

@@verity_amo Thanks, not rude at all

[@ofconsciousness]

Thank you, I had never thought about how the "people you don't recognize" means it can't be anyone from Undertale (it's obvious now that you say it, but it hasn't occurred to me).

[@nickfarace9339]

The one thing to keep in mind about a lot of the "ties" from Undertale to Deltarune is Toby very obviously put them all there on purpose, later, to literally lead us into Deltarune. It might be plot related but it also might have been just to tease us about the game. Of course, there is always the very important fact that he originally had ideas for Deltarune first, and turned that into Undertale instead before deciding to actually do the deltarune thing for real. It has always seemed to me that the parallels were more just leftovers from that original transition into becoming undertale INSTEAD of his original idea, even if he ends up leaning into those story wise later

[@otherlego]

26:30 in regards to "something you find everywhere"... it's actually not. throughout undertale the only places there are green grass is in new and old home, respectively. where there's light from the surface. you show the start of the game but thats basically one of the only places you see grass in undertale. so why did you so easily assume its something thats everywhere? because it's not everywhere in undertale.... but it's everywhere on the surface.

[@AmbientRainfall]

Well, cause I feel like grass is just a... thing to assume is everywhere! The underground is no stranger to plantation, and while it's natural to assume we see all of the underground, green grass is as ubiquitous as something like... sunlight. But unlike sunlight, you can find plants all over the place in the underground! I felt like focusing on the framing around the green grass question was more important than emphasizing how often we actually see green grass.

[@SansINess53]

I don't think alphys told sans it's more like he knew them beforehand.

[@sneggles1881]

Now that I have finished rewatching Episode One, I can now finally enjoy part two in this wonderfully put together series!

[@dantefilsdesparda]

Great video ! Always glad to hear others's interpretations about Undertale and Deltarune 😁 I really like this series ^^

[@ibdora05]

This theory is phenomenal. I can't wait for the next part!

[@Paragon_CZ]

Saying that Gerson made up his stories is actually crazy

[@AmbientRainfall]

Listen, I have something to tell you, about your grandpa... He wasn't actually a professional wrestler. He says he was never a hero twice in the evil route, and I mean, there'd be no reason for him to lie about that to you. He says he knows you can't fight him in there, so it's not like it's any form of cover. He mentions not being a hero more than he does claiming to be one, and honestly I think one of the major reasons that dialogue is there at all in the evil route is because most people will have gone out of their way to learn about Gerson at the end of Pacifist. In general, the evil route reveals a lot of things about the game's characters.

[@Paragon_CZ]

Undyne literally calls him the toughest monster to have ever lived and also the “hammer of justice” in her phone call. Pair that with how Gerson says that Undyne watched him beat up bad guys and it becomes clear that they’re not just stories. I still think him saying that he never was a hero is a cover up. I mean hey, you managed to find a way to attack sans twice on the same turn, surely with enough determination you could find a way to attack a shopkeeper.

[@AmbientRainfall]

@@Paragon_CZ Sorry but I don't think Undyne also knowing about the hammer of justice thing really proves that? You're a kid. She's probably either in on it or she got told the same stories. Notice how she doesn't mention fighting people with him at all? I mean, in DELTARUNE the "Lord of the Hammer" thing is literally a story made up by him. I can't read that as anything other than a fun inversion of the established text. Old people making up crazy stories so young people will find them cooler is just a thing that happens. Why would Gerson lie about something like that to you when he openly admits to not being scared of you?

[@Paragon_CZ]

@@AmbientRainfall not being scared doesn’t equal “I can beat you in a fight”. (Nobody can stop Frisk at that point which he probably realized). Also wouldn’t him not being scared point to the fact that he did indeed have a lot of experience as a hero? Because if it were all just made up stories, I fail to see him being as composed as he is. As for your Undertale and Deltarune connection, we still have no idea what the relationship between the two is. Undyne was a hero in Undertale but in Deltarune she’s just a police officer so what does it matter that Gerson is a storyteller in Deltarune?

[@ofconsciousness]

When he said he was never a hero, I took that as him being modest and wanting to elevate his fellow fighters like Asgore. I figured he might be grieving the loss of friends you've killed or might soon kill, and so he's just thinking of how great they are and how honored he felt to know them. That was just my impression when I played through! I absolutely love your video, probably my favorite UT/DR video I've ever seen!

[@saylemevelyn]

dont think no one noticed the james roach music you oh-so-casually dropped in

[@yappingScramble]

i hear that sunsetter piano

[@leastwantedpartyrocker6011]

GRAAH i cant wait to watch this your content is so relaxing to watch ((:

[@8pierrot89]

I'm not done yet, just wanna say I really appreciate the Homestuck music!

[@noahnaugler7611]

So, Sans and Papyrus are gonna be in one of the Dark Worlds later, and get yoinked or yeeted into Undertale?

[@nickfarace9339]

Or one of the dark worlds ends up being Undertale and a fountain was created in both that linked up somehow.

[@guammy9973]

This may have already been said by others, but the Papyrus interview and talking about green grass is weird seeing how he didn't know what the sun was when they exited the underground, though could just be meant as a joke idk. Alos, i dont know where this would fit in, but San's store is clearly Grillby's but with the name scratched out, feel like in a loop hed have to go to undertale first right?

[@kendallbabbitt1532]

Nice work. Nearly cracked it

[@DogDogGodFog]

Wait, why did you call Undertale Gerson an 'old coot who makes up stories'? Real life tutles can live for centuries. What makes you think his stories are made up?

[@TheSkyGuy77]

They're probably exaggerated. Not outright lies, but not entirely true

[@DogDogGodFog]

@@TheSkyGuy77 Well, we don't know. None of them have been disproved so far.

[@SenJenko]

Great video, just like the first one. I've thought for a while that sans is from deltarune because of the line about monsters bleeding in deltarune. Why even bring attention to that after establishing they don't bleed in Undertale? I'm sure someone will tell me exactly why but still lol

[@nickfarace9339]

The whole bleeding thing would be absolutely insane if it actually was a major plot point, and Toby just bold faced put that out there in Undertale this whole time.

[@verity_amo]

21:25 You completely lost me here lmao

[@SpamDustt411]

Okok, You know what, just seen it already lol, really and really, what a cool theory, i mean, yeah it kinda explains some stuff and points, but i think it doesn't have some others obviously, bc i also was thinking about papyrus. If, in Deltarune it's normal to know and see blood (well, have bleeding, bc unused sprites of Susie, but the thing was in the Dark world in Ch2, and one kid in a door on the Lightworld telling Kris is made of blood, yeah, the blood thing it's weird here) this maybe explains sans bleeding and not being ketchup, or stupid red determation, something like that, (always hope and think it's ketchup lol,) but the thing it's Papyrus, if they came from Deltarune, paps says that he lived in a place with green grass, it's Deltarune, but, in Undertale he doesn't bleed, his body it's dust, and his head falls, but all it's dust from a monster, a magic monster, not the monsters from the Lightworld in Deltarune, but i think maybe there is some speculation about paps being replaced or brainwashed maybe, but that doesn't work for me... you said that papyrus it's the weird part and maybe it's a lost case... but maybe someone has a better idea for him And the second, just maybe bc the loop paradox thing got me thinking, and it's a funny way to put it, maybe i can understand it a lots of ways if someone give me points too, i'm gonna put it this way, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" if sans it's important for gaster in Undertale to him creating Deltarune's world, but sans it's from Deltarune, then, *¿where did he came from in the first time the loop has ocurred, or when did the paradox started?* If it was Deltarune then how did we get Deltarune in the first place? bc sans from Deltarune that Gaster wasn't doing yet helped him in Undertale? (That's how the paradox work?... Right?) or ¿There are two sans? And one after another replaces the Alternate Universe and timeline they live on and keep going until the Infinity? This it's driving me insane in some kind of things... All things are tied, by the inexplicable strings and chains they make, all of them, but some things are just meant to don't be understood... For now. (Sorry if i didn't get the point of the video at all by this comment, or maybe i didn't learn about the paradox concept at all, i just put my mind to think overall stuff and i'm not that good at listening on english bc that's not my primary language lol, but still amazing video and great theory! hope you make more of them and also hope people give more opinions and points of this!!!)

[@AmbientRainfall]

it's sans's favorite letter. don't you remember that part of the game...?

[@SpamDustt411]

@@AmbientRainfall I only play LowStory Not UnderTale (Just saw the other theory a couple days, was good tbh, gonna watch spamton after not surviving theory later)

[@SpamDustt411]

​​@@AmbientRainfall *I Only play Omega Mystery* (Hey, where did the e man comment go? Don't remember commenting something like that before...)

[@nickfarace9339]

I mean, when it comes to ANYTHING with Pap, keep in mind. There is very likely a reason we haven't seen him yet in Deltarune. So him becoming dust can't really debunk anything yet, since when things tend to stay hidden from us like that, there is usually a reason, and that would be a pretty valid one.

[@TaeSkull]

luna jumpscare

[@TheSkyGuy77]

I'm like number 66 😂

[@WhiteCresentKnight]

i like the idea of this, but is there a version of this that remembers that Toby said Undertale and Deltarune are separate? and that Deltaruns isnt undertale 2

[@TheSkyGuy77]

They're not entirely separate. Whatever you did in Undertale is fixed in place ( to placate rabid fans). Deltarune inevitably leads to Undertale, but it's not a traditional sequel. Sans was created for Deltarune (by Gaster), but got sent back in time and across space to the world his creator lived in, before his world would be created.

[@connorschultz380]

He also said there'd be only one ending, I don't see a good reason to trust that early statment

[@verity_amo]

​​@@connorschultz380 Thing is about there being one ending is that it could only technically refer to the final outcome, so let's say, oh idk, the Roaring happens and everyone dies or something, but every other event leading up to that point could be different

[@nickfarace9339]

They can be separate and still end up with ties. He was very clearly saying that to explain how all the characters from Undertale showing up directly in Deltarune aren't the EXACT same characters. Since for most players, one of the first things we ALL thought (especially when seeing Toriel drive us to school) that this was a direct sequel and this was all the characters AFTER going back to the surface. He had to dispel that quickly. But they could be separated by..... darkness instead.

[@anbon4985]

which piano track did you use at the end?

[@anbon4985]

the one with the old timey piano

[@AmbientRainfall]

@@anbon4985 It's actually the only track in this video that you can't find on KZbin. It's called Hawkeye (Dec 9) and I got it through a thing called the Unofficial Homestuck Sound Test. It may actually come from a compilation / medley that was played at some point, but I don't really know more about it than that. Maybe I can get back to you on it!

[@anbon4985]

@@AmbientRainfall hey so i downloaded the mega file from the link you left in the google doc and im trying to search for it but do you have the exact file name by any chance?

[@anbon4985]

holy shit i just did a last atempt befor giving up and i found it lmao sorry for bothering you

[@AmbientRainfall]

@@anbon4985 Nah, not at all, don't worry about it! Happy to help, even if I didn't really get to haha. Was just doing morning routine stuff pfff

[@probablyjustsnails]

Why was I not already subscribed aaAAAA?????? (it is done now) 👍

[@bigguy27]

Do you know who Chicken Joe is

[@AmbientRainfall]

do you mean the guy from surf's up?

[@bigguy27]

@@AmbientRainfall hell yeah

[@AmbientRainfall]

@@bigguy27 siiick yeah he was my favorite character man

[@bigguy27]

@@AmbientRainfall same i love that guy he deserved to win fr

[@Z3ttabyte1]

I feel like the video would be more enjoyable if you talked faster and your points were more concise.