Demo: What's the BEST Les Paul Wiring? Vintage 50s or Modern 60s / ObsidianWire Vintage MKII for LP®

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Disclaimer: This demo is made to demonstrate the two wiring options that are made available with our Vintage MKII wiring harness for Les Paul. The 'Modern 60's' mode is our own ObsidianWire modified version which allows for far greater clarity at lower volumes than stock 60's wiring.
Compare the Vintage 50's and Modern 60s Les Paul wiring side by side, and let us know which you prefer in the comments.
In This Demo:
WHAT IS VINTAGE 50'S WIRING?
Vintage 50s Les Paul wiring allows for some treble roll off, when you roll back your volume control. It is perfect for rolling between perfect warm cleans, and searing leads.
The 50's wiring mod is a super popular Les Paul wiring upgrade that reverts your stock LP wiring back to the glory days, and the beginning of the Vintage Les Paul. This is our most popular and personal favorite Les Paul wiring.
MODERN 60'S WIRING?
This is our own version of Modern 60s Les Paul wiring which prevents treble loss when you roll back the volume. It allows greater clarity and cut through at reduced volume levels.
The ObsidianWire Modern 60s wiring is made for clarity and cut through with an improved circuit that will help you retain treble at all volume levels.
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[@MathewsGuitarWorks]

You got it backward buddy. 50’s is high pass filter and trims bass out of the signal first when turning down the volume, not treble. Modern wiring is low pass filter and trims highs first. This is where the 50’s wiring is cleaning the signal up with the volume knob. Bass frequencies overdrive the signal first. This is why the 50’s wiring cleans up better. Modern wiring gets darker when you turn down the volume. I’ve made and installed several hundred 50’s harnesses over the years.

[@ObsidianWire]

Hey There, We do our wiring a little different. Our modern harness includes a treble bleed so it stays crisp right the way through the volume control range.

[@type197]

I also came here to say this. You don't need a treble bleed with 50's wiring the configuration of cap and volume is pretty much a built in treble bleed. The difference is a 50's configuration will give you more interactive volume and tone. Rolling down the tone on a 50's wired guitar will also affect volume. With modern wiring this doesn't happen but you do get high tone loss with volume as a result.

[@weswagner-kq3wq]

@@ObsidianWire cleaned up a dark sounding les paul epiphone difference was night and day

[@chazmichael7967]

@@type197 try a treble bleed with 50's wiring you'll surprise yourself. I used the mythos variable treble bleed with the 50's wiring and it still had helped brighten it on lower volume.

[@GT380man]

5.32 I found incredible. Just hit me how great that sounds!!

[@RICO_SUAVE21]

60s sounds the best for me. Sounds angrier in a good way 😊

[@MrPDTaylor]

No doubt. Hands down. I can’t decide.

[@RokDAWG1]

I have some amazing pickups from Jim Wagner Pickups in my Knaggs Steve Stevens model and the neck is pretty much an exact copy of Clayton’s Cream era guitar. Now I also have coil split abilities on my pickups. It’s all wired in a 50’s style. So what happens when I split the coils (independently from one another) is the guitar suddenly sounds very much like a vintage Strat. All with rolling the volume down! I dig it more than a clean with a coil split. It has more character to the tones

[@bakedpotato474]

amazing products! i love this!

[@ObsidianWire]

Thanks Mate 😊

[@jim.missywyant.kennedy2334]

Really showcased how just the Volume knob can change the tone with the different wiring. Sometimes you want that clarity with the lower volume on the bridge but want that quacky/wah tone with the neck rolled down. Great idea!

[@ObsidianWire]

Glad you found this helpful! :)

[@bogdan2142]

Hi. Did you had to do any modification to be able to fit the PCB in the cavity? I am looking to upgrade my Epiphone Les Paul Modern and was wondering if will be a perfect fit! Thanks

[@JerryBarbari]

The types of pots you use also have an affect on the circuit, and how the guitar sounds. To my ear, it sounds like that guitar has a logarithmic (A) taper for the volume control. Personally, I like vintage wiring, cause it makes the tone controls feel more useful. When I wire it, though, I use a linear (B) taper on the volume and A tapers on the tone. I just checked my guitars and they don't have that treble roll off you were demonstrating -- either that, or it's much less noticeable. But still, nice video and cool wiring kit.

[@paco_rms]

Have you ever consider making something like this for SG guitars? I've been in love with this product for years and I NEED this in my SG

[@ObsidianWire]

@paco_rms proving a little trickier than we would have liked to get an SG solution right, but we'll get there...

[@paco_rms]

@@ObsidianWire good luck, I hope you get it. I'm sure I'll buy one when available :)

[@danielbarbieri8199]

50's wiring act as a trebble booster. You play at lower setting, then crank the vol when soloing. You got the boost and more highs to go trough the mix. It's the best to play without pedal on a crunchy amp.

[@richygeier2801]

WOW!!! AMAZING!! Is it possible to have the 50s/60s wiring with switches on the front of the body, and push/pull on one board?

[@ObsidianWire]

Hi Ricky, The 50s/60s switching with push pull will be coming soon 🤫. The 50s / 60s will stay in the back though. We reccomend you have a play around with the switches to find your favorite setup, then close it up and enjoy.

[@richygeier2801]

@@ObsidianWire Soon? Do you know when exactly?

[@ObsidianWire]

@@richygeier2801 Later this year....... I guess 'soon' can be quite subjective

[@gabrielfiedler5550]

Do you know if this will work with Heritage H150 Custom Shop guitars?

[@imanalien2222]

Im only a minute in and gotta split, but FYI this might confuse people because you have it backwards. 50s wiring RETAINS highs and 60s wiring ROLLS them off. Ask your rnr dr if you have any more questions.

[@ObsidianWire]

Hi There, Our 60s is built better than stock. It stays crystal clear at all volumes.

[@johanneschristopherstahle3395]

​@@ObsidianWire Treble bleed circuits are not classical 60's wiring. That's pretty confusing and you definitely should talk about that in the video. Because people will think the 60's option would be what most of the single cut guitars will have in them.

[@curtrod]

​@@johanneschristopherstahle3395you are right, he keeps saying we do it differently as if that changes the common explanation for what a 50's or 60's or treble bleed means, in fact he's making blanket statements that are incorrect

[@guitarplayer1969]

I feel you skipped a major issue(bullet point) with the wiring - The middle selector. I want to be able to blend the Neck and Bridge pickups with as much or as little Tone and Volume as I want, without the sound completely cutting off when one is turned down a bit. My 2008 Les Paul Standard faded does this and I can't stand it. Which wiring gives the option to blend volume and tone independently when in middle position, or is that a completely different wiring from these?

[@ObsidianWire]

Hi There, You can turn the volume to almost zero with out the sound cutting out in the middle position, but at complete zero, the sound will cut. If you would like one pickup turned to zero (OFF), it is best to switch to the other pickup with the switch.

[@ianaintsaying1625]

Is the small ceramic cap and resistor next to the .022uf tone caps a treble bleed circuit? If so, are the cap and resistor connected in series (Kinman) or parallel (Duncan). Cap and resistor vales?

[@ObsidianWire]

Hi There, Yes. These are connected in parallel.

[@matts1364]

I had my LP mod with Saturday night special PUPs. I noticed the .22 capacitors were not bridged from tone to volume. They were just on each tone alone. Is this correct? I see most LP harnesses with cap going from tone to volume.

[@ObsidianWire]

Hi There, For some sets we run the capacitor between the tone and volume control, and for some we run from the tone to ground, but as they are working in series, the result is the same. There is no functional difference between the two methods.

[@ILLGREEN1]

Actually, 60s wiring is like 50s but the tone cap goes into the volume pot's input. Unlike modern wiring, where the tone cap is soldered to the tone pot's wiper and into the volume pot's input. The wiper on 50s and 60s tone pot are grounded.

[@ObsidianWire]

Hi There, It is the connection at the volume control end that makes a functional difference. We use our own 60s wiring which is a bit of an upgrade on standard as well

[@curtrod]

no treble rolloff when you use your volume knob with 50 wiring, that's the whole point

[@ObsidianWire]

I would say the whole point of a volume control is to roll back volume :). The 50s wiring does allow a slight amount of treble roll off (Less than current Gibson wiring which gets muddy fast). Our 60s Plus setup retains treble at lower volumes.

[@sidewaysrain7609]

LMMFo!

[@sebacheby]

Hello, will this work to install on a PRS SC 245?

[@ObsidianWire]

Hi there, we don't have an option for a PRS at this stage sorry

[@wayneturpen592]

Why not put a triple throw switch i.e. on- off- on… so you can switch between the sounds from the front ???

[@ObsidianWire]

We find it more useful to leave the back cover off for a little while, have a play with the different options, and work out what you need in a wiring setup. Once you have found what you like, close it up and play.

[@ropinheiro19]

4:47 6:40

[@macshock632]

Isn’t it the other way. 50s maintains treble and modern rolls treble off. I am confused.

[@ObsidianWire]

Hi Mac, Our modern is a little more advanced than Gibson's. We have designed it specifically for treble retention all the way around the volume knob.

[@macshock632]

@@ObsidianWire thank for replying. Then there must be a treble bleed on the modern side?

[@ObsidianWire]

@@macshock632 Yes there is.

[@curtrod]

yes, you are correct

[@daveylee4677]

AKA dependent V independent wiring

[@cesb79]

What if both are on.....110s

[@chriscornellfan1366]

Landon?!?!?

[@robertcrocker2463]

Whatacrew1010

[@bfr123456]

This is all wrong. 50’s, 60’s, and modern wiring all vary with 60’s and modern being very close and 50’s using the tone pot in a different way.

[@marshallohio5512]

Stop buying these prewire expensive harnesses !! One can buy 4 Bourns pots with 2x .022 caps and 2x treble bleeds for about $30 ! 50s wiring but reverse volume connections for independent controls, and 2x mini switches for wiring pickups parallel/series if feasible !! This dude makes excellent noise !! Distortion crap !!

[@ObsidianWire]

Merry Christmas Marshall!