Democrats are Losing the War for Attention. Badly.

[@Stryke2wice]

Speaking of attention, you two need a regular podcast together. The combination of intellect, wit, humor, historical knowledge and forward looking perspectives, is earfood of the highest level. Please; this is the sort of nutritionally dense content so many of us desire, save us from McDonald’s!!!!

[@lindagarland5223]

So true!

[@susanf.3623]

Couldn't agree more!

[@arcticgoddess]

💯

[@talkndrideas]

Hate to be a grammar snob, but Chris Hayes has to quit putting ‘right?’ At the end of his sentences for me to listen to him.

[@lindagarland5223]

@talkndrideas Agreed, but I will still listen but...🦷🦷🦷🦷 my 👅

[@stephenphillips6245]

Parasocial relationships has replaced real ones to the deprivation of self identity .

[@bronwynlouw9386]

Beautiful culmination of this conversation, about the "opposite of doom". Its wonderful to hear thought born by people thinking together and enjoying doing so. That's not an echo chamber, it's generative

[@Merdle]

I live in rural America. From talking to my friends across the aisle, Kamala's TV concert confirmed their opinion of her as an elitist harpy. I thought it was a bad look for her because the struggle is real out here. She should have been glued to the trail, like Trump.

[@hex5106]

The crazy part is Kamala held more rallies and outspent Trump by a significant margin

[@olaflieser3812]

@ "outspent" is true, more rallies is false. More expensive ones is true though. And as is known: she was "too good" to spend time on Joe Rogan podcast.

[@markg9401]

Its mind-boggling why anyone would vote for harris, who refused interviews, wouldn't change any of the destructive biden policies causing inflation gas food prices, 12+ million illegal migrants, wars, mutilating kids. . .

[@idnintel]

kamala is a vapid dingbat, why even give her any attention?

[@artpatron719]

Kept behind a wall for month, did many safe spaces and rallies were more concerts. The narrative momentum events of the change from Biden, the convention and the perceived win at the debate gave the wrong impressions of the strategy is winning

[@vinniekiwi-4]

This is exactly why AOC-the person able to garner the most attention on the left-losing her bid for oversight is such a blow for dems

[@alonzobishop3671]

AOC may garner attention, but the wrong kind… Her brand of politics is completely out of touch with mainstream America. Trump is particularly deplorable, but his message resonates with a large swath of the electorate. The Democratic brand is stale- the Obama era is ancient history!

[@celestialtreetarot4260]

Yes, and she is backed primarily by small donors. They chose someone who is connected to big money.

[@arcticgoddess]

So fricken true. 😢

[@michaelcummins7397]

AOCs WAS the poster child of Left. Now she is the Nancy Pelosi 2.0. A major disappointment to The Left as we have little to no representation in The Dem Party.

[@artpatron719]

Right

[@MrRichDavid]

Attention IS Energy…..that is why it is important.

[@robert-maxbob]

Excellent point

[@twhite8308]

Don't watch something. Build something. Do something. Hands-on direct experience builds personal agency.

[@alfredbaeumer3643]

Yesss!

[@SteveBoyington-i1e]

Watch fewer things. Play more cribbage.

[@nickwright9064]

Or binge watch hours of other people building and doing things 👌🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@67wwwoman]

Or, do both, listen to perhaps learn, then do something.

[@aeight_balance]

yes!

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Unsurprisingly, we see little to no self-awareness, let alone contrition on Klein's part for this lamentable social shift. The Democratic Party is at its most formidable when it's unapologetically populist. Centre-right "very serious people" have been the downfall of it and its private sector allies.

[@deetwise4631]

A fascinating conversation, and so nice to hear Mr. Klein make a few tentative steps towards questioning the NY Times' pro-Trump ongoing normalizations of totalitarianism. Keep it up.

[@garyhaase7751]

I think this might be the most accurate lens with which to view Elon's "salute"

[@darkknight783]

This was a fantastic episode, thanks guys

[@jones6119]

Bad ideas have no energy. That’s where the Democrats are today.

[@johnadelsheim595]

To aspire toward virtue, clear thinking, toward becoming a worthy human-being, requires thoughtfulness, persistence, concentration, hard work -- in any historical period but especially now. To read these comments, some of deep appreciation and others of dismissal, suggests that thoughtfulness is not a genetically given but requires nurture -- from parents, teachers and predominantly from oneself. Sometimes difficult but a worthy undertaking. Thanks to all who engage in this work.

[@VIsionsOfJenna]

Two smart Democrats: still think the messaging was the problem, rather than the message.

[@olaflieser3812]

Bingo! A win-win! Democrats think they are smart and keep their message. Republicans keep their message and stay in government.

[@valk5045]

Did you listen to the second half? And what was the message of the Dems according to you? ( you know that when you get that answer wrong it was about the messaging and not the message right?) And what's Trump's message (Lie that everything will be great with him and hope nobody notices the glaring gap between that message and reality)?

[@balham456]

If Democrats were smart, they wouldn’t be Democrats.

[@Futhi.Johnson]

Kamala and that running mate were so boring

[@olaflieser3812]

@@valk5045 Sure. Kamala said on The View: "I am not Joe Biden" and "I'm especially not Donald Trump". Barack Obama said " Black men must vote for the Black women, if they don't he's got a problem with that". Democrats say: Everybody not voting for Kamala Harris is a racist and misogynistic. When you think about it: compelling messages at a time people care about an immigration crisis and food prices ... I think Democrats should run similar messages next time around. This is "win-win" as said before....

[@twhite8308]

47 uses the Society of the Spectacle. He eats your agency until you are a passive observer in your life.

[@maceomarquez3401]

One of my favorite remarks in a podcast interview was with a product manager at Netflix, when he was asked, "Who do you consider your competition," and he replied "anything that isn't 'watching Netflix.'" Pretty good summary of the ethos of attention era.

[@xbomber49]

"We're doing everything wrong in the Culture War, but we're still morally right in everything we do!" I have never seen two people rattle around more in their echo chamber and still get it wrong.

[@arcticgoddess]

So you are blaming your lack of understanding a conversation on partisanship? At least you tried I guess.

[@Futhi.Johnson]

Your problem...lies

[@Futhi.Johnson]

Stop lying . Be realistic

[@Readabookfoofoo]

100%

[@Readabookfoofoo]

@@arcticgoddess you seem to have no content other than insult in your reply.

[@christinao940]

Coming from what is disparaging labeled 'the far right' I enjoyed listening to this discussion.

[@kehlcassidy9562]

I'm glad you did! Coming from the "far left," I did too. I wish you well, fellow human being ❤

[@GML_123.]

Same, it was decent, even good at times.

[@Xavier-h7c]

​@kehlcassidy9562 As a far right gentleman myself, I find the humanity on display here commendable. I will pray for you and yours..

[@eemoogee160]

For what it's worth, leftists wouldn't consider these two on their side.

[@ezra7088]

​@@eemoogee160 Lol I mean I'm a leftist, what I love about Klein is that he prioritizes the pursuit of truth over ideology. He seems like a genuinely good person, and I don't really want to view politics as a battle, idk, I may not always agree with Klein but I don't view us as on opposite sides

[@pamhall1434]

Reminder that Colin Powell, not 'white' man, held a lot of power in US military. Many police/military shows/movies in the 70's going forward had blacks in positions of influence.

[@chioj36]

Ezra you are a generational journalistic talent. Thank you

[@Col.Klink.]

Wow, politically speaking I agree on almost nothing with these two, but this was a fascinating interview. A lot to learn.

[@jaunt3603]

They're losing the battle on ideas. Just look at Los Angeles. It's on fire because of bad ideas.

[@pnwlady]

👏 👏 👏

[@texomajohn2916]

And very bad people

[@pnwlady]

@ we need to stop demonizing the other. It’s contributes to the divide. Behaving bad or having bad ideas does not necessarily equate to being a bad person. We need to move past the left vs right thinking to fix things.

[@Jose04537]

The fact that they need to create a carefully vetted and controlled environment for their ideas to survive (safe spaces, specially in academia), demonstrates those ideas can't survive in the real world. "If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be destroyed by the truth."

[@zaky842]

Love the video form of this podcast! Please keep it up. Great stuff as always

[@mirandapillsbury7885]

Chris Hayes is wonderful. one of the few voices i still enjoy on MSNBC

[@lindaflesch7303]

I only watch him and Lawrence.

[@jfwrg3461]

😂😂😂

[@mirandapillsbury7885]

@@lindaflesch7303 same lmao!

[@RichardKing-sx6xc]

*LMFAO!!!* 😅😆😂🤣

[@RichardKing-sx6xc]

@@6789uiop These people are delusional.

[@pamhall1434]

The social media CEOs have their thumbs on what we see. So reasonable content doesn't grow as much as distraction content.

[@mariaklahre7790]

I literally read the dictionary. I learned the international phonetic alphabet (IPA) by heart. We had a Collier's Encyclopedia. That was my go to for bored moments, along with a huge collection of Reader's Digest condensed books.

[@ClaytonBanes]

I learned how to pronounce processes and biases reading the dictionary. Not from listening to Chris Hayes, who is really good and would only be better if he read the dictionary!

[@gregjames9875]

"Accuse your opponent of what you are doing, to create confusion and to inculcate voters against evidence of your own guilt"-Saul Alinsky

[@pnwlady]

DARVO. I think Shellenberger is working on a book about personality disordered behavior on the rise in the progressives.

[@thewaffle003]

The other part Chris misses is that the parents of the good kid are afraid of the kid making a mess, and the parents of the kid making a mess are trash.

[@newt8388]

You’re leaving out the point that his casting this time is geared toward those who are, let’s call it, counter compatible for that position. Specifically unqualified while at the same time having malicious intent. Not all of them. But, casting the perfect villain is hard…

[@MattyV001]

I really believe musk bought twitter because he’s a sad pathetic dude that just wants to be cool more than anything. But they are right. The ability to command attention he received from buying twitter is priceless. No matter how dumb or untrue his opinion is, it is the most seen opinion on earth. There’s no denying that has value.

[@pnwlady]

Twitter isn’t relevant anymore. What musk did was break up the bubble of narcissistic, navel gazing media elites there, which is a social good. Who remembers when tweets started becoming news? It was ridiculous and fed into Trumps celebrity. No one cares about x now. The way it should be.

[@collinbober6707]

nothing like drinking 8 to 9 beers watching new ezra klein podcast

[@HR_PaperStacks]

is this how neolibs party

[@Secretary.of.Education]

​@@HR_PaperStacksYep...and If you add a few roofies, drugs, and some underage girls, you can party like Republicans

[@lindagarland5223]

Clearly, no!​@@HR_PaperStacks

[@lindagarland5223]

Relisten when you are sober and at attention.

[@Bigbanggbig]

Wow, share one whit ur wife boyfriend mate.

[@leslielanderkin8996]

I think we need to also consider the social media news feeds that filter and feed information based on the likes of the consumer and this is not always fact-based. People who consumer news feeds only hear or read what is of like minds. They believe that what they are reading/hearing to be true when often it is not.

[@Lerolerolan]

Listened while cleaning house. You both offer important perspective and insightful analysis. When the discussion ended, I had a cleaner kitchen and a clearer understanding of attention as capital.

[@tammietravis2395]

Such a great interview and Chris comes up with the best analogies! 😅

[@marketads1]

Call it what you will, the person screaming “fire” will be listened to as much as the person just screaming nonsense.

[@Futhi.Johnson]

You got it

[@dawnfmEnthusiast]

Really like that there’s video footage here!

[@arcticgoddess]

Same. I think it's because I'm 52 and grew up on 'Appointment TV' in my case though. 😅

[@billcoleman4258]

Do these guys think that people in general don’t care about men competing against women in sports?

[@henrylogan4384]

not sure about these two specifically but certainly progressives in general have largely adopted this frame of reference in order to cope with how unpopular the idea of biological men in women's sports really is amongst the public that is something like "no one actually cares about this issue, the republicans only care to the extent they use the issue as a political wedge". they don't realize that they literally throw their precious protected class under the bus every time they articulate it because it's dependent on invalidating them lol

[@Jose04537]

Anything actually controversial is hidden behind empty sound bits like "Trans rights are human rights; Protect trans kids" and calling the other person a bigot. My counter attack against that is "Rights to do exactly what? Biological men competing against biological women? Schools transitioning children without parental consent or knowledge? Persecuting people for not using a pronoun? Putting adult entertainers (drag queens) in libraries?" The red herrings stop working. And they always say "immigrants" and NEVER "illegal immigrants", to not acknowledge they are actually in favor of illegal immigration (motte and bailey tactic)

[@11eqgt5n7eq]

Obviously this doesn't matter to most people, don't be weird. Men aren't competing against women in sports, but the details are tricky.

[@billcoleman4258]

@@11eqgt5n7eq Watch the videos.

[@hudsonumi]

Trump is talented lets admit it

[@dumbartonyankee]

Seeing Chris Hayes in casual clothes and in profile is weird!

[@theEvilLord90]

I am probably the only Trump voter who listens to Ezra and I am here to thank all the leftists who protested Biden and Harris for one full year

[@virtue_signal_]

The problem is that those two didn't listen. The echo chamber was flaccid at best

[@Futhi.Johnson]

I'm here too

[@markg9401]

The hosts on leftists channels are feeding off each other's delusions. I'm not even sure if they're aware how deranged they are. But what's really puzzling is why anyone would subscribe to this insanity. Its sick.

[@sarasamson5922]

Politically Independent since 2000. . Reluctant Biden voter in 2020, reluctant Trump voter in 2024. (Truthfully, I've disliked both of them since the 1980s.) Used to listen to Ezra and Chris more, glad this nuanced and insightful dialog got my...attention.

[@LenorJohnson-ul7tn]

This is the third time i voted for trump

[@mdfgdgafdgdfg6509]

Thanks for the video, Ezra. I watch these while I'm on the treadmill or practicing my instrument.

[@kabuki7038]

I love how they're complaining about "doom" when all I feel listening to lefty podcasts is this immense sense of doom, but when I listen to dissident right podcasts(apolitical ones that just happen to be hosted by people I agree with politically) is nothing but good vibes, good times, laughs and comradery.

[@virtue_signal_]

100%

[@andybrice2711]

I think you're totally right about that. When I listen to right-wingers now, they're kind-of optimistic, because they mostly just want the (quite achievable) goal of a society where normal people can get a decent job and enjoy their family life. Whereas much of the progressive left has a demoralizing outlook that the world is permanently about to end, and our only hope is to desperately scrabble for a revolution, even though no one individual's action will have much impact.

[@janicelgo4522]

For example??

[@lindagarland5223]

@@kabuki7038 ...and their BILLIONAIRES WHO BUY VOTES!!!

[@lovable_misanthrope]

There's doom on both sides..Triggernometry and Tom Bilyeu are two examples on the Right.

[@edgarmarvine7752]

It's not about attention it's about persuasion Trump has mastered that skill set. Just because you're getting attention doesn't mean you're persuasive. The problem with Democrats you still haven't figured out why you lost

[@jamiepaulzine6725]

Exactly he can win u over

[@liedersanger1]

No, Trump doesn't win people over with persuasion, which must be based on reason. He anesthetizes them with lies, hate, gross exaggeration, caricature and fear. It's called an amygdala hijack.

[@JayKno420]

Yea can't let go of his righteous virtuous posture the democrats and learned to adore and be addicted. Ezra can't let go if it

[@edgarmarvine7752]

@JayKno420 Your post brings to light a critical issue in our healthcare system: the urgent need to address mental health. we must prioritize mental well-being and access to quality care. I encourage you to seek professional help.

[@jacquelinemarie6325]

some US company was just fined a relatively paltry amount for child labour violations. sad

[@TheMangyCalf]

We're too busy trying to survive the utopias of the past to think it is a good idea to conceptualize new ones, perhaps? I like your show, man.

[@TheMangyCalf]

Oooh, yeah curiousity, some sense of futurity and how to respond, etc.

[@BillyD34]

Ezra: Chris, you dress pseudo-slob and I’ll throw on my blue blazer and really LEAN in on every question.

[@dyoung3648]

😂😂😂

[@nomad9518]

Its interesting watching the “media” and our political leadership began to understand how these things work in real time.

[@andybrice2711]

And it only took them 14 years!

[@jaygoble540]

This is easy to understand; the majority of the electorate are attracted to the negative and will respond to the loudest and the most sensational. Politicians, on both sides, who refuse to wrestle in the mud are being drowned out. This means that all of our politics will eventually become a form of mud wrestling, and the wrestler who can attract the most flies to their brand of stink are going to win. This means the people we most need in politics will never run and the people we least need in politics will take over the stage. Outside of some type of voter qualification test or assessment, I really don't see how we combat this. The days of benevolent politicians, who truly have the best interest of their fellow citizens at heart, seem to be over.

[@fontainerouge]

A student in the 80's, I'd read the NYT on weekends, maybe another time during the week, watch news 2 evenings per week & go to a specific bookstore for a copy of Mother Jones.

[@fafaflipper]

Great conversation!

[@sharonkinsella7435]

Fascinating. Thank you!

[@anikokapornaki7264]

fantastic conversation...i would love to see Chris' notes or his notetaking method..one of the most articulate, smartest men of television and if i ever create a custom-made AI voice for myself to listen to, it is going to be his voice :)

[@jkeith1959]

Chris Hayes rocking a Cuban Link like a G

[@sinclairlanier4081]

That was unexpected to see on him.

[@nykka3]

The absence if those thick black glasses is throwing me off

[@P4yn3]

Nearly all of the democrat media is geared for women, men have gravitated and moved on to alternative media.

[@P4yn3]

@@ThatonedudeCR12956 facts like climate change caused the california fire and not empty hydrants and reservoirs? lol please

[@P4yn3]

@@ThatonedudeCR12956 facts like trans men are men? or trans women are women? lol

[@P4yn3]

@@ThatonedudeCR12956 men dont want to listen to effiminate men lecture about climate change

[@YolandaHalfAlmonde]

You are just an uneducated fascist sheep. Enjoy your miserable pawn life 😅👍

[@franjkav]

As a woman, I have no clue what you mean. What is democrat media and how is it geared towards me?

[@soulfulgardener]

The more they keep us distracted by shiny, addictive programming, the more they can do whatever they want

[@Chips505]

Except that this time, Americans ignored and voted for the guy they said not to vote for.

[@ForeverStapleton]

I was a longtime dem that voted for Trump and will never vote democratic again. Can’t believe I was duped for so long.

[@paulgibbon5991]

Da, Fellow Americanski.

[@Nowicki222]

@@paulgibbon5991more than half of all Americans voted for trump. You can let go of the Russia gate hoax.

[@pnwlady]

My shift took years! I worked for WA senate dems and believed everything I was told. It took challenging many assumptions because the reality in front of me could not sustain them. Until folks look at their assumptions and beliefs they will continue in them. Dems are the party of ant-intellectuals. They refuse to talk to people who don’t think like themselves. They refuse to debate, never extend charity to their opponents argument, never ponder their own blind-spots. And have rejected objectivity and truth for feelings and lived experience. You cannot make policy for a country from subjective experiences of a few. Oh, and they assume that the 2% of loud activists (who make $$ off thes ideas) honestly and accurately represent the needs and desires of the minority group they speak for instead of asking the group directly. Any BIPOC who doesn’t think like me is wrong vs, maybe the person motivated by self-righteousness and $$ is lying?! Activists are a cancer now. They do more harm than good.

[@bradzepfan]

stimulating conversation. i am not sure they clearly explained why negative attention worked for Trump but not for Kari Lake, etc

[@jordandaniel8510]

Interesting observation, if I had to guess I'd guess a few reasons: 1) The messenger. Kari Lake does not have the same ability to sway her supporters the way Trump can. I think we've seen this with the rotating cast of orbiters around Trump, they are an accessory to his social and political capital, but also easy to replace. 2) Acting as if the election was stolen. With Lake, I always got the sense that while she *said* the "right" things rhetorically that would signal that the election was stolen, she never carried out requisite actions in practice. Mirror this to Trump, who acted as if he truly did believe the election was stolen. The false slates of electors, calling Raffensperger, filing 63 court cases, Jan 6th, planning to break the ECA, asking Barr/DOJ to send fake letters to the swing states. 3) Locality. In a paradoxical way, it is far easier as a bad actor to point to "fraud" even if there is no fraud when you have more targets to point to. That's why there were 63 court cases. Thats why there were so many claims of where fraud was perpetrated. Lake had far fewer targets she could levy, and therefore, her claims had to be more specific and targeted, making them easier to rebuke.

[@davesmith4110]

@@jordandaniel8510 Cults are not easily transferable, even within families. That's a part of it.

[@JCACredyellow-ts1rk]

She never really had Trump's popularity​. He had a following from his TV show days that seem to think he is some super smart guy. He has that edge of being a "superstar" and she doesn't. @@jordandaniel8510

[@KarlLatham]

Ezra, thank you for your great work, your podcasts help preserve my sanity. I personally am searching for a strategy to navigate the next four years. Your podcasts have been spot on throughout this process so far. We all understand the very complex dynamics that lead to a re-election of a convicted felon grifter. I just am a bit less optimistic about the future of our country, as I believe very few people are aware of what you and Chris Hayes discuss here. I have been thinking about this often since I read this when it was published "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media" by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. If you read this comments you may find it amusing that this book was recommended to me late night in a recording studio by George Clinton. TY for your great work! I look forward to more bits of reason and sanity from you, and also thank you for replacing the podcasts theme music. We all needed something a bit more soothing in these times :)

[@dlmsarge8329]

I have this playing in the background on my tablet as I play solitaire on my phone.

[@rickp354]

Gaining attention also needs credibility to maintain momentum and that's where Trump shines and MSM which includes MSNBC has failed! MSNBC has lost all semblance of anything but never Trumpian!

[@NickHolum]

They’re eating the cats. The man on the TV said so. Super credible.

[@pnwlady]

@@NickHolumthey were eating ducks and geese from public parks. There is video of this. It is fact. And there were accounts of dogs and cats being taken and eaten but there wasn’t video. Now there is video of one cat eating incident. Only TikTok had these first person accounts from Springfield. Some cultures do eat cats and dogs. It’s not an insane concept.

[@GuitarWithBrett]

We’ve always had too much content .. what’s a library ? Difference is the delivery plus social media

[@jkitchens4798]

Love this discussion vector, but too much credit is given to Trump regarding winning attention. I believe there is an army of producers who decide which candidate they support, then they become the real attention getters for the masses who listen to them, such as Rogan. Unfortunately, there is a much lower bar for the Rogans of the world to gain the stage and become a producer.

[@DSTH323]

Too energetic here. I like this show at a calmer discussion tone.

[@jkonrad]

The question is, why? Why don’t people want to listen to liberals?

[@user-fl1lf6gc4z]

Because they're ahead of the times. What was "progressive' decades ago is uncontested now. Blunt analysis but try to confound me. 👍

[@jkonrad]

@ Uncontested and horrific. The progressive approach to homelessness leads to more homelessness, the progressive approach to drugs leads to more addiction, the progressive approach to crime leads to more crime, the progressive approach to border security leads to more illegals, the progressive approach to the economy leads to high inflation, and so on. I fail to see how any of these things are “ahead of their time.”

[@user-fl1lf6gc4z]

@@jkonrad Compared to what? Libertarianism is lazy. The incoming Administration is for, of & by the people (HNW individuals).

[@christinem9183]

@@jkonrad buzz off with your stupid comment

[@Futhi.Johnson]

Because there is NO substance there....empty . No connection with what Americans want

[@healthdoc]

Speaking of reality TV, consider how WWE fits the mold. This is Trump’s MO. The more outrageous the better. It’s not a coincidence that he’s in their hall of fame.

[@Futhi.Johnson]

When are you going to take time and try and see the good in Trump

[@paulgibbon5991]

@@Futhi.Johnson It's weird and almost unique how there isn't anything there. Most of the most evil people of history have something nice or sympathetic about them--they loved their children, they liked animals, etc. Trump somehow manages to be not only devoid of any redeeming quality not hallucinated onto him by the cult, but entirely proud of that. His entire brand is based on being loud and obnoxiously proud of how horrible he is.

[@healthdoc]

I have a pretty simple philosophy. If, to follow someone I have to compromise my ethics or ignore behaviors I know are wrong, I pass. Trump is a hateful, narcissistic bum, only interested in himself and his rich buddies. The degree of rancor and division he has sown the last 10 years cannot be excused and still be true to my beliefs. What have you been willing to accept to honestly ask that question?

[@karenvknight6516]

I love your show. Your voice and the sound quality of the podcast is soothing. The minute it starts I feel calmer even though the content is often gut twisting.

[@danielbarrero2815]

Great video.

[@stephen080708]

This lost my attention in about two minutes

[@juststeveful]

NOT hate or love!! It’s TRUTH vs. LIE!!

[@pnwlady]

Except it’s not. Because both sides hold inaccurate ideas. Don’t kid yourself that everything you believe is right and everything the other thinks is wrong. Thats statistically highly improbable.

[@paolo7206]

What is the thing around Chris' neck? 😱🤣

[@aapgp777adfadd]

it's not about a war for attention, it's about making a positive impact on people's lives, that's what democrats haven't done

[@mikejokurst4429]

Read John Dewey's "The Public and Its Problems". The idea that Chris Hayes references Lippman and doesn't talk about Dewey's response is unbelievable to me.

[@champagnebulge1]

It's still within your power, media, to STOP paying attention

[@sacrilegiousheathen]

LOL, how exactly are you expecting the media to go four years without discussing the president?

[@socialminds9894]

Why would they not? Covering Trump gets them ratings and views. It's why they dispraportinately did it in 2015-16

[@champagnebulge1]

​@@sacrilegiousheathenthere was four years when he was not president but they kept on paying attention

[@P4yn3]

Nearly all of the democrat media is geared for women, men have gravitated and moved on to alternative media.

[@sacrilegiousheathen]

@@P4yn3 True, but alt media isn't going to go four years without discussing Trump either.

[@academision]

This sounds like the internal dialogue of someone who isn’t physically attractive trying to convince themselves that the reason they can’t attract who they want to is for any other reason other than the fact they’re not physically attractive 😂

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Does it "trigger" you when your intellectual betters speak ill of the bloated, incontinent sex offender you worship? Do you perhaps require a "safe space"?

[@davidwouldntyouliketoknow2166]

i am so glad the career is over for people like chris hayes who lie for a living and do not believe a single thing they propagate to their low information audience

[@robert-maxbob]

People get attention for setting off fireworks on New Year’s Eve. Does not mean it’s good, or anyone should give them $$

[@lilianxu8888]

For people who are so smart, you should’ve been more aware of your blind spots. So long as you have only “grudging” respect for your opponent, you’ll never figure out how to best him.

[@wt7553]

Not sure I understand. Republicans have no respect for their opponents.

[@6789uiop]

So Chris Hayes wrote the book on needing attention. Noted.

[@ErdosRenyi]

one of the biggest problems with mainstream news is it has somehow turned into single topic programming 24/7. it always revolves around politics. and it is always sensational. people are exhausted and bored with the sensational, doom-and-gloom nonsense, and quite honestly they see most of it for what it is: sheer propoganda. Mainstream news would do well to cover other topics such as science, technology, etc more often.

[@t.c.s.7724]

You guys are missing the obvious. The media gifted all the attention to Trump. Their incessant cheerleading for Trump's legal battles, the Russia, Russia, Russia mantra, etc. Strange, this is so glaring yet unseen by so many. Rather boring

[@user-gv5dq8gf5l]

Also the barrage of right wing propaganda trolls on social media. And several right wing propaganda networks that are now mainstream media.

[@pnwlady]

They love making $$ off Trump’s drama. Making them morally complicity in what they call a great evil.

[@SBuk1]

What you don't understand is this an American issue. What you do understand is America sneezes and the rest of the World gets a cold. I love and hate America at the same time.

[@mailtorajrao]

Around 13:00!, interesting analogy, individual's attention today or a worker's labor during the industrial revolution is nearly worthless when considered individually, and only valuable when aggregated, *isn't it the same for an individuals vote? What's the out?*

[@matheussamotta]

Dude, your show is so important to keep track of whats going on. I'm in Brazil and the far right is way ahead of us in this experience of attention.

[@Seth0067]

Two men who married very well. Good job, guys.

[@matttorrence2900]

Whom did they marry?

[@lindsaykimbrough8260]

I hope you breaking off from NYT’s will let you cover things like the UHC CEO assassination and the public fall out. The silence was deafening from the podcasts the NYT’s production staff covering that event and the public fall out. I hope this will give you more freedom.

[@janicelgo4522]

Has any podcast analyzed it?

[@lshelbs7441]

Would love to see you do a podcast on rank choice voting. Why Republicans/The Federalist Society hates it and could the democratic party start a snowball effect by having ranked choice voting in their primary?

[@TeeHaa0032]

I must admit. As soon as daily politics and the name Trump comes up, I turn the TV or Radio off immediatly. A meta podcast ok... but Trump said thisxand Trump said that and I turn stuff off immediatly.

[@jainjain1258]

So jealous.

[@williamjameslehy1341]

What a stupid and silly comment.

[@charlesmackey8179]

Educational and interesting..

[@healthdoc]

Doom isn’t believing how things will go, it’s the fear of how it will go. Fear is the necessary ingredient.

[@hilarycohen1470]

When will we see Chris and Kate together with their commentary???

[@carolbrenner3121]

The observer ❤

[@paulsturgul5829]

Re Attention: "Our faculty of attention is our most important talent." [from] "Reflections on the Right Use of School Studies With a View To the Love of God." [Simone Weil]

[@jamesmackey1238]

Chris Hays rocking a gold chain.

[@HugoGlz56]

That gold chain, jeeezsh

[@HugoGlz56]

Also Ezra looks like he would prefer to wear a vneck.

[@virtue_signal_]

goGlz56 Maybe a dickie too?

[@tammietravis2395]

I loved the “I’m just a kid from the Bronx” vibe.

[@new_memeplex]

Love the new production values:

[@lindagarland5223]

This is a valuable discussion that dives deep and does laps around the crux of where this country (and it's people) resides. Democrats and Independents and non affiliated might download this and listen as we stand together and hold on to our Democracy. Thx Ezra and Chris.

[@christinao940]

Democrats are not very democratic. It's rather a problem for you guys.

[@pamhall1434]

I've written a fantasy story about a land with no drama. John Lennon started that ball rolling years ago with 'Image' 💚🌊💙🌎🐦🙏☮️

[@nofatebutwhatwemake9880]

Chris, please stop using “like” unnecessarily. Try recording yourself and listen to your usage of “like.” On the otherhand, most of your prose is at a high level. I know some people argue that “like,” as currently used by many, is a legitimate evolution of language. Maybe it is. Perhaps you enjoy your use of “like” and think it enhances communication. I find it a distraction. Ezra, your use of “like” in this manner is less frequent, but it’s still there. OK , guys, I otherwise enjoyed the discussion.

[@margaretcameron1275]

@nofatebutwhatwemake I totally agree with you. Same boredom with the word 'right'. Sooooo tired of the overuse of both words.😮

[@Cardinalis2000]

So it's the "naughty child" theory of attention--- all attention is good attention even if it's negative attention. The more you act out the better.

[@tammietravis2395]

The squeaky wheel gets the grease