Democrats Most Likely to Run for President in 2028 | Brian Tyler Cohen vs Tommy Vietor

[@aimiecontarino]

I really hope that the Democrats don't go with the "let's find our own reality show billionaire" tactic. By 2028, maybe Americans are going to finally realize that it's the billionaires that are ruining this country.

[@shinnyshin7792]

Given our party's ability to learn the wrong lessons, we'll probably go with a low-charisma billionaire who can't move a crowd to save their life. We managed to learn the wrong lessons from Clinton and Obama--party saw high-charisma anti-establishment outsider candidates running on centrist platforms and said "oh, so we can run low-charisma bureaucrats as long as they're centrists!" I'm terrified to think of how badly they'd botch the assignment going down the billionaire path.

[@GreenYoshi265]

Mark Cuban would be a good choice if they wanted to really change things up - he fits that mould but I think he'd be a pretty charismatic likeable democratic figure.

[@FoolOfATuque]

I think it’s because Democrats don’t know who they are. They’ve been tacking to the right to get those moderate Republicans. It’s a losing strategy. There’s a saying, “Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line.” Push someone to the top of the ticket that people don’t like (the anointed one) will lead to low turnout in key states.

[@randofi489]

@@GreenYoshi265 No thank you. No more billionaire businessmen please. Can we just have normal people who understand foreign and domestic policy

[@Adultsummers]

If JB Pritzker is on the ticket I won’t vote for the first time in my life. That’ll be the last straw

[@spicyfroggie]

it's important to remember: this list was not who they think will WIN the presidency, but about who is the most likely to RUN. They are picking people based on how likely they are to put their hats in the ring in 2028.

[@alexisfrost9545]

I had to remind myself of this with a few of the options they picked. Each of them had pretty good picks, some I was like "eh," but it has me thinking about my own list.

[@timgerk3262]

And is their approach like a financial portfolio manager? The three photos would have pleased me, a median Democrat, in 2014 or 2018. But the basic issue in '24 was "do you trust government" The Republicans grow their coalition by meeting terrible expectations. Democrats are playing and replaying a moderate politics that is arguably more realistic but not impactful.

[@spicyfroggie]

@@timgerk3262 I do think you are right in some aspects, but I would not call AOC at least, a moderate. The sad truth right now is we have to work with the less progressive candidates. But, by getting democrats in power, it opens up a larger space for more progressive, 3rd party grassroots movements. I do agree with you, but this is also just a fun little game they are playing :)

[@timgerk3262]

@@spicyfroggie I liked the comment about front/back of classroom energy. Moderates and independents will vote for Luigi Mangione, if he could campaign as an exciting, attractive disruptor. The moderate/progressive color-bar may be something to retire for the time being. PS: Luigi is unavailable due to age for at 9 years...obviously I'm talking hyperbole. I support AOC btw, & not calling her moderate (or median-- that's different) as she's not one of the three pictured in the title card.

[@gearschamp2]

If that's the case then we're fucking doomed. Because half of the people on the list of genuinely awful and would not move any needle to get people to vote for them if they run a pro-corporate campaign.

[@killaquansta4045]

Hey crooked, can you put out a poll with this list? I'm curious who the audience leans towards. Just out of curiosity.

[@suzanne6441]

I think none of them are the one. I'm tired of them all already. We need some new ideas that can break out.

[@HaagentheDazs]

@@suzanne6441 I think so many of us feel that way

[@missd369]

​@suzanne6441 The problem is that it has to be someone with experience, name recognition, and charisma to win and have a successful term.

[@thelettern]

I’d rather have Bernie Sanders than ANY registered democrat. If you’re a democrat in power, chances are you only care about your image and looking moral, and not actual democratic issues. I won’t be voting democrat unless they nominate a progressive. Until then, they are ignorant losers and just as morally bankrupt as Republicans. They preferred Trump winning to Bernie possibly winning, clearly judging by both Hillary AND Kamala’s campaigns. That’s evil and ignorant lmao and they need to learn a lesson, and change accordingly

[@gerrigarrick]

@@suzanne6441 how about Cory Booker..He is so inspirational and passionate.

[@malmal3003]

I was a registered independent until today. I changed my party affiliation to Democrat so I could participate in the primaries. I'm tired of these same old people being the only options we have.

[@i_luv_marbled_bread]

You run for president Good luck 🤞 ❤

[@ruinedx]

I hate the two-party system, but unfortunately, this is the only way have sway in it as a voter.

[@gatvestreet9248]

Primaries? Democrats? That’s like a unicorn.

[@alvatrous]

primaries are the most important elections honestly. good for you.

[@belkyhernandez8281]

Smart.

[@Steelslinky]

Please stop suggesting billionaires, we should not want billionaires anywhere

[@ReuvenGoldstein1]

but if the Democrats raise $1 billion dollars, they're guaranteed to win!!!!!!

[@SigmaTrollGOAT]

We should want billionaires in our society because they raise the GDP. What we don’t want is the corruption, mistrust, lack of accountability, grifting and lobbying

[@irenafarm]

Idc if a billionaire runs as long as they're committed to raising the top tax rate to 75% or more.

[@michaelkarim57]

@@SigmaTrollGOATarbitrarily raise the gdp because they skew the average up lol

[@wayneperry7413]

@@SigmaTrollGOATI don’t hear many complaining about Warren Buffet

[@lanegentry6328]

I think a great choice y’all didn’t mention would be KY governor Andy Beshear. He’s truly well respected on both sides of the political spectrum and I think he’d be a great President. I don’t think the answer to our problems is for the dems to get their own billionaire to run. We need someone who has a track record of working for the people and that’s Andy. My pie in the sky ticket would be Beshear/AOC or AOC/Beshear. Either one could be really good

[@kl-1447]

Yeah! He's a fantastic governor and in one of the reddest states in the country. He's a bit untested nationally still, but he was a top contender for Kamala Harris's VP pick, he was the former KY Attorny General, and he's won 2 very competitive terms for governor. He's shown he can work across the aisle and get things done in stalled government (KY legislature is very red and blocks a lot of things).Personality-wise, he has largely the same appeal as Tim Walz in being just a normal guy with a lot of compassion for his people and thats reflected in his policies. Also not for nothing but he's been on a lot of the Sunday shows for interviews, especially during the last election cycle. And he wrote a really smart op-ed that (not to wade into the debate about 2 months after it was helpful though still relevant), but what I took from it wasn't that "Kamala did all those things and still lost" but "Dems don't need to learn the wrong lessons from this loss", ie not throwing trans kids (or other groups) under the bus and running on good economic messages.

[@lanegentry6328]

@ that was a really good op-ed he wrote and I think he’s gearing up for national office, either the senate or White House

[@HaagentheDazs]

of the moderates he and gretch are probably the better ones

[@shinnyshin7792]

@@kl-1447 Have to ask, what does "untested nationally" really mean? Because our winning candidates for the last 100 years were overwhelmingly untested nationally. FDR, Carter, Clinton, and Obama were all untested--JFK is the only one with significant national experience. If anything, the criteria we Dems use to evaluate candidate readiness makes them less likely to win elections.

[@kl-1447]

@shinnyshin7792 I get what you're saying. What I meant was that his experience is still quite Kentucky-specific, which while being the governor (and AG previously) obviously puts him on the national stage, it's not comparative to something such as Congress or a cabinet position. Very different experience, and imo gives him a really good place to jump off from if he wants to run, since he's won in a very red state and is still a "Washington outsider." And I think he definitely got another look when the VP decision came up, they didn't seem to have much opposition research to level at him, and he's got a solid record. The only other thing I'd add to the Ky-specific thing is that he had a lot of pull in his first run as governor because his family is prominent in KY politics; his dad Steve Beshear being the previous popular governor and running against Matt Bevin who was truly despicable. He ran a fantastic campaign for his first term but there were some additional factors at play (though I would argue those didn't have as much effect as people think, he really did run a great campaign). I didn't mean it to be demeaning or reduce his standing as a politician. And you're totally right in saying we/Dems need to reevaluate the criteria for candidates we think can win (as Dan said in an interview, no one would have said Barack Obama would have been The Candidate to win after 2000).

[@rettwoods]

AOC or someone new. All these names suck. We need an anti billionaire.

[@HaagentheDazs]

!!!!!

[@dan_hitchman007]

The billionaires won't allow it. They call the political shots.

[@Indy2231]

I like AOC but I also have seen Pete speak and while he doesn’t have Obama’s swag he’s the next best thing when speaking to a crowd. Also AOC could pull the Hispanic vote but lose older voters that see her as being too young or not experienced.

[@joestarwars5606]

Jon Ossof or AOC

[@AgathaWhispers]

Wrong! You need someone who has done something! Running a failed state does not count. Running a small town - then running bureaucracy does not count. Hiding the true condition of the leader of the free world does not count. Someone who can win - that’s what is needed. You may as well be saying we need a woman - but we know how that turns out.

[@13nwaffles]

Let’s learn all the wrong lessons, and continue to run pro-corporate status quo managers, great idea dems

[@johngorman6641]

Idk if it is even pro-corporate : they are so status quo they aren’t pro anything but their own future.

[@j8velo]

@@johngorman6641 In US government, the status quo IS pro-corporate

[@puppypersonlotr4538]

Who do you suggest then?

[@shinnyshin7792]

​@@puppypersonlotr4538 Tbh, if they're an old familiar name now then they're probably a bad pick for 2028. Because we don't just have a major candidate problem--we have an unavoidable talent pipeline problem. Pretty much every Dem win for the last 100 years has involved a talented young up-and-comer seizing the moment, typically running an anti-establishment campaign. But our current process for cultivating candidates involves establishment-washing our candidates to the point they lose electability. Essentially, Dem leadership has been blocking young talent instead of promoting it. Governors seem best positioned to come through intact.

[@HaagentheDazs]

@@puppypersonlotr4538 economic populism baby

[@leavecowsalone]

Liberals will never learn that economic populism, delivered simply and earnestly IS THE KEY TO WIN. Stop thinking about “messaging” for insufficiently populist policy. There is no messaging that will help you in that respect. Just BE for the people and they will believe you.

[@gerrigarrick]

@@leavecowsalone yes but the messaging about being for the people is what I believe they mean. The message was not put forth loud enough. Instead "Trump is bad" was the loudest voice and it is was not enough. I wish the Dems would solely focus on what they want to do for people and ignore going negative on the other side completely. Such an approach would be so appealing and stand out. Let the other side go as dark as they want while the Dems shine their light.

[@duckypam]

Saying that messaging is the problem? No it’s DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE TO HELP CITIZENS

[@Marvelerence]

@@gerrigarrick Sorry but that simply isn't true. Kamala Harris did a great job putting forth her policy proposals, but the issue is that her policies aren't a big enough change for people, and they felt it would just be a continuation of the same(which it would be). Selling minor modifications to the status quo is simply not enough, and I say that as someone who is inspired by Kamala Harris' rise to power. I like her a lot, but I know her policies are not going to help us win

[@gerrigarrick]

@Marvelerence yes she expressed her proposals but I don't think they were repeated enough. She also only had 100 days to repeat them and Trump has been campaigning for 10 years. In those 10 years he has been pretty scary, so I get how hard it is not to make, "Trump is bad" the loudest voice. I did it myself! But in the end I suppose minds were long made up about him, so it had to be about what she would do to address people's concerns. I think it was a combination of as you said, the proposals not being enough but also not communicating them enough. I didn't even know some of these bills that Biden had passed and I follow politics pretty closely. In general it seems to me they do have a communication problem just in general in getting their message out loudly. They were up against the loudest in your face candidate in years, again who has been basically campaigning for 10 years! Changing the whole approach to staying on message and ignoring the other side, I think would be so refreshing. I said years ago that the first candidate that refuses to talk about the other guy and just tells me what they are about will have my vote! ( An embellishment of course but it would be attention grabbing for sure.)

[@Marvelerence]

​@@gerrigarrick I agree with your point of focusing on your own message, but Democrats are going to use Trump's next term as another opportunity to bash him and sneak in some extra votes that way, because to be honest, if they actually had very strong policies to sell, they would have done it. They try to hide the fact that their donors prevent them from instituting working-class centric policies by using Trump as a distraction. Unfortunately, it has worked in the past but I hope it doesn't work in their favor anymore because that'll force them to change. I know Biden's policies, and while they were better than say, Obama's policies overall, it is clearly not enough for the people at the moment. I make 6 figures and would be considered a high income earner for my age, but I definitely face problems with unexpected healthcare costs and my grad school degree cost me 120,000 dollars which I am still paying back. America is rigged to favor those who are already privileged, and while i have slightly benefitted from it, it kills me to think about workers that get paid much lesser and can't break out of the poverty cycle because education and healthcare are so expensive. Things need to change quickly.

[@teresamc1337]

Pete Buttigieg would be my first choice. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate, but I believe he has the intelligence to do the job.

[@getnaaasty5059]

So you just want a corporate talking head…..again? Really?????

[@ronald3836]

@@getnaaasty5059 Relying on the very loud but rather marginal far-out left is not going to win you the presidency.

[@dexterthedog7551]

I am all in for Pete. We need someone brave enough to put their life in the line for this country!

[@KiTheMC]

​@@ronald3836 That's right! Keep campaigning with Liz Cheney, relying on celebrity endorsements, and "door knocking". Run a less-talented version of Obama to run on "hope", "change", or "joy" again. The truth is, the current Democrat strategy is a disaster and if Dems continue on this course, they will never win an election again. Biden only won in 2020 because of COVID. We live in a populist era with a much different media landscape now. A populist left Democrat with a moderate to conservative social platform would absolutely beat Vance in 28 if Trump doesn't do a good job, which is a big possibility, but even if Trump mismanages a crisis like COVID again, I still don't think Dems can win with their current leadership in 28.

[@gidgyb1359]

AOC after Mark Cuban? What are we, Republicans now? We want someone for president who has never governed before? CEOs are not running democracies. It's idiotic to think the corporate or celebrity experience transfers to actual governing and seems like we should have learned that lesson by now.

[@tim___5158]

Winning comes before governing. In office you get all the expert support you need.

[@Oklaoz]

AOC could never win a national election.

[@zoidb8649]

They don't think she will run in 2028, not that she'd be a worse candidate.

[@AlerieHightower]

Listen, I agree with you, but obviously, the majority of the electorate doesn't. At least Cuban isn't evil.

[@HaagentheDazs]

Cuban's last Jon Stewart interview was so cringe, nonstop promoting his investments in scams like crypto, ai, etc. that shit might fly in the GOP but dems are gonna be less receptive

[@tomjenkins3353]

With Pritzker and Cuban I think we make the same mistake thinking it’s that what worked for someone else will work for the future. We don’t know how ppl will feel about Trump by the end of presidency or what will be important to ppl in 4 years. We have to stress the importance of keeping our ear to the streets and see what actual ppl want.

[@AlerieHightower]

Yeah, this whole Luigi Mangione thing should make people think twice about that. Trump's cabinet of billionaires might end up driving people away, too.

[@FoolOfATuque]

There’s also a difference in how Republicans vote versus how Democrats vote. There’s a saying, “Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.”

[@shinnyshin7792]

Also frankly...Trump was a good showman & salesman. Those are basically his only skills in life and he leveraged them to the presidency twice. If we run more generic, establishment-friendly bureaucrats who can't move crowds, we completely miss the point of why he succeeded.

[@puppypersonlotr4538]

​@@shinnyshin7792he's not good at those things anymore. His brain is slipping.

[@lisaswift6157]

Please, no Prtizker I live in Illinois. He is pretty bad.

[@WOWitsANT]

I really wish democrats would forget about Josh Shapiro. All republicans have to do is bring up Ellen Greenberg’s “suicide” a few times and it’s over.

[@KathrynHaugan]

Much less Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. How much election chaos do you need? Could the Secret Service keep him safe from assassination attempts? Doubt it.

[@mercedesb2299]

I honestly don't know how we are even still talking about him after that press conference he gave scolding everyone for not showing due deference and respect to the healthcare CEO. It is fine to do the condemnation of vigilante violence thing but he crossed way over into scolding and chastising grown adults like he is our father and that attitude is the one thing that I want to weed out of politics. I don't hero worship politicians and I don't want a lecture about what emotions are politically correct for me to feel. So, yeah...Shapiro is a hard no, forever, for me.

[@Captain_John_Brown]

I can promise you right now that he’s never getting my vote.

[@peterjermey7235]

Isn't he also basically a Bush era Republican?

[@peterjermey7235]

​@@mercedesb2299we are talking about him because the GOP want him or Gavin Newsom to win and they control almost all the media now

[@Horsewomann]

Michigander here. Really excited at the thought of Pete B. being our governor. I cannot think of anyone better to take over from Big Gretch.

[@shinnyshin7792]

That would be his ideal career path and a very good investment for the Dem party. Might not pan out, not every gamble works. But much better odds than most of our plans right now. Though as a Hoosier who achieved escape velocity, I would love to see him come back and help out my old state, not that any D can win in IN anymore.

[@missd369]

And it would be the perfect next step toward being president.

[@reflectsonlife]

Where is Gretch going? Term limited out?

[@neilchace1858]

People typically don't like carpet baggers. I'm skeptical Buttigieg, an Indiana native, is a winnable candidate in Michigan.

[@SusanOnTVShows]

@@reflectsonlife Yes, term-limit

[@mickael486]

I am going to miss Tim Walz. I love that guy. 💙

[@wildwattermelonny]

He’s WAY too nice to be President, perfect for vp

[@Mostdefinitelynotabot]

I was so confused on how he’s not a pick. Would easily crush the others. He comes off way more normal.

[@mickael486]

@@wildwattermelonny and no one will ever pick him to be VP ever again. That's why I'm going to miss him. But yeah, he's too nice for people to vote for him, I guess.

[@wildwattermelonny]

@@mickael486 I just don’t think he wants to be POTUS tbh

[@ReuvenGoldstein1]

@@wildwattermelonny if by perfect you mean terrible, then yeah. Name a VP you'd want watching your toddler for 8 hours. Cheney? Gore? Quayle? The VP is supposed to be an as**ole, usually a party plant to keep the top guy in line, or someone brought in to shore up a certain demographic.

[@shadygirlxoxo]

Mayor Pete is brilliant at communicating! He totally kills it on Fox & also has put Elon in his place several times, even on the phone!

[@scoreyj13]

Here is the issue. The same people that won't vote for a female will not vote for a gay male either. It is sad but true.

[@dexterthedog7551]

Pete is my guy. Combat vet, well educated, and honest.

[@joyoust8003]

I like him too but I don’t think America is going to elect a gay president….yet

[@dexterthedog7551]

@joyest …. I know, but I think it would be easier to get a gay man elected as president than a straight woman. But I could be wrong. Just love Peter’s combat experience and the fact he was willing to die for this country.

[@maplessence]

@@dexterthedog7551 If I was American, Pete would be my choice. After Trump America will be ready for an intelligent president!

[@andyvulhop]

Tommy's commitment to the bit was so admirable.

[@andile-mcn]

Tommy as a fitness influencer seems like a lot of untapped potential.

[@BlueEyedBrunette]

He does has a rather smooth and encouraging voice. And is a lot fitter than I would have thought!

[@miss_elaineous_]

Yeah, he is significantly better at this than I expected him to be. Like...Tommy, please start a fitness channel.

[@floptimus]

He used to be a trainer

[@shanecadden5303]

The primary starts January 21. Waiting two years and doing what’s always been done will fail. We need a movement not a candidate alone.

[@IrisDude1]

We need an economic populist with phenomenal communication skills. None of these people meet those qualifications.

[@shinnyshin7792]

I hate having to say this, but...they don't actually have to be a populist. They can just pretend while giving speeches like Bill Clinton and Obama did. Obviously I'd prefer if they were the real deal, but the messaging matters far more than the actual stance.

[@HermanFalckHow]

AOC does.

[@Sam1424YT]

@@HermanFalckHowI LOVE AOC. She won’t win nationwide.

[@KailuaChick]

@@Sam1424YT agreed. I love AOC, too, but if so many people thought Kamala was too far left then AOC has no chance.

[@pyotrtchaikovsky1840]

@@Sam1424YT plus she calls herself a socialist, and she's bound to lose the red states with that. Cortez has too much of a backbone to change her stance(s).

[@debbiemcconkey4258]

Another positive for Gavin Newsom is that he is under 70 . In fact, the positive news about everyone who has aspirations to run for president is that they are all under 70. It’s far past time to start supporting the next generation of political candidates. The old guard needs to face reality. They need to get out of the way and play a supporting role for the new generation instead of trying to be a stumbling block. It’s time for a real change. Support someone under 60.

[@Binsel22]

Wes Moore is a military guy too. I’m a teacher and he spoke at our high school soon after publication of The Other Wes Moore. According to my coworkers who coordinated with him he is a great guy

[@johngorman6641]

… a great guy whose main policy focus has been slashing transit funding.

[@HaagentheDazs]

I think he has a lot of charisma but his comments about reversing Biden's antitrust really rub me the wrong way and so does his Wall St background. We really need somebody in office who can hold big business accountable, and not abet them

[@HaagentheDazs]

@@johngorman6641 yeah, he's all razzle dazzle til you look under the hood and realize its the same old democratic neoliberalism

[@puppypersonlotr4538]

​@@HaagentheDazsagreed, but it's next to impossible to get elected to high office without getting in bed with wall street, is the impression i have...

[@BlueEyedBrunette]

@@HaagentheDazs He also has big VP energy to me.

[@SquealerDealer]

How about a president that will implement policies that will help people?

[@analogboi]

the corporate overlords wont allow that

[@ab3040]

As a centrist, as of right now Pete is the only Democrat I would vote for

[@txnmia8613]

That soundbyte of Pritzker is SO cringe and completely antithetical to the lesson we should be learning after 2024.

[@jacobqueener7593]

Automatic loss if Kamala runs again

[@analogboi]

or any other corporate tool.... newsome, pete any on else that the status quo would push.

[@jacobqueener7593]

@@analogboi 100% with you on that

[@dexterthedog7551]

Pete is the guy. His intelligence and education is unmatched. He is also a combat veteran. Something lacking on the left right now.

[@benarizola8453]

What I love about these pics , is that it's no longer out of the ordinary to include, men women, gay, straight younger, older, and almost every race.

[@ronald3836]

But the first female president is going to be republican.

[@patsmith1129]

AOC is the only person on this list who is not either a billionaire or primarily funds their political career from oligarchic billionaires I'm just saying

[@suzanne6441]

But she's way too niche and nyc. I like her doing what she does now - I can't picture it broadened into something the whole country would want.

[@Oklaoz]

@@suzanne6441 She would not stand a chance in a national election. It would be a guaranteed loss for Dems.

[@zenon3021]

@@Oklaoz She's grown tremendously from when she started. And she's made Republican attackers look foolish time and time again. Americans are desperate for change (so desperate they elected a pathological lying wannabe-dictator felon with no morals). AOC is the Change candidate (unlike Hillary & Kamala). If America got to know her, they'd vote for her in droves. Check out: "Bernie: The Podcast | Episode 6 - Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez"

[@patsmith1129]

@@suzanne6441 almost every single major policy she supports has strong majority support nationwide, and she is seen as an an authentic outsider who is not crooked And of course she'd basically be this election's Bernie Sanders (with his endorsement no doubt) who consistently polled above Trump in 2020, was the twice runner up in spite of several disadvantages in either primary, and is still the most popular member of the Democratic caucus in Congress

[@nannyg666]

I'm not completely aligned with her politics, but I think she is whip-smart and charismatic. I think she would absolutely rocket to 40% nationwide. Unfortunately 40% doesn't win anything.

[@nicholasmoore291]

Andy Beshear needs to run. We need a rural governor who appeals to both sides. He is a highly successful governor who is beloved across the board.

[@shinnyshin7792]

Agreed, him or Whitmer. I'm not sure he's a great candidate, unfortunately--I'd need to see him speaking more on the national stage to see if he's got it and how people respond to him, an opportunity like Obama's 2004 speech to test the waters. But I can tell you now his resume is 10x better for winning nationally than most people on that list.

[@mercedesb2299]

There is no appealing to both sides. That is the mistake that we just made. Most Republicans didn't like Trump. It doesn't matter, they won't vote Democrat because they are raised with the idea that we are immoral sinners. I have always lived in deep red areas my entire life. They put up with me because I am female and reasonably pretty. I have been able to cajole a couple of long-term partners into learning about Democrat policies and even heard them admit that our policies are better...but it doesn't matter, I have NEVER convinced even one of them not to vote Republican. It is like they are compelled to vote GOP. It is a cult. We have to concentrate on pleasing as many of our people as we can and that means moving further left NOT further right. We will never win Republicans.

[@CZ-PC]

I think Warnock is probably by far the best choice but WE NEED his seat. If we lose again then yeah definitely run him. If the overturn window shifts right then he can atleast play to their voices. Being a religious southern man helps. That ending scarred me

[@HaagentheDazs]

If not Warnock, maybe Ossoff? I'm a decent enough fan of both GA senators

[@BlueEyedBrunette]

I choke up every time I hear that DNC speech... (which also makes him one of the few speakers at the DNC who mentioned Gaza at all.)

[@arcticgoddess]

​@@BlueEyedBrunetteNot letting a rep from Gaza speak was a huge failure.

[@charleslemos7972]

Warnock is definitely a rising star. Articulate, passionate, compassionate, hits the right notes.

[@toychristopher]

These names are a little depressing. So many are so corporate.

[@chrisyowell3013]

That's because both parties have rejected progressivism. Nobody wants that

[@davidhunternyc1]

Yep, but Pod Save America is payed by the corporate class. Make no mistake, they don't have the best interest of the working class in mind.

[@shinnyshin7792]

Not just corporate, corporate bureaucrats. People who can't move a crowd to save their lives. That's how we lost 2000. And 2004. And maybe almost 2008 before Obama saved us from Hillary. And 2016. And why we barely won in 2020 despite the pandemic. And why we lost 2024. It's like our party leadership is addicted to losing.

[@KingMapleSeed]

That’s fine, I’ll take any of those over the RepubliQan alternatives

[@fletchergero896]

@@chrisyowell3013 I'm sure dems can fight for the same republican voters and win this time. Surely it'll work.

[@bigjared8946]

Shapiro, Mayor Pete, Newsom------> all more of exactly the same thing which just got embarrassingly repudiated. They never learn.

[@dustybookshelves2948]

Losing by less than 250k votes after a 100 day campaign is not an "embarrassing repudiation," kiddos. Y'all can keep flogging that dead horse, but it isn't going to get you anywhere.

[@duckypam]

All the opponent has to do with mayor Pete is to ask the folks how it’s going with packages or flying since he has been in charge. It sucks.

[@ColdSid]

@@duckypam the fact that he likes men alone will ruin his chances

[@bebesotatx]

@@ColdSid speaking from experience?

[@trishagg]

AOC.

[@angel2bx609]

I am so tired of people saying these are all corporate types except AOC & we need Bernie. Look into Pete Buttigieg! His policy platform was extremely progressive, he has the maturity and experience to pass them. And there is no-one better at communicating. I hope he runs.

[@rantalmore]

Gay dude won’t win sorry

[@BlueEyedBrunette]

But lets be honest...if America couldn't handle a woman of color for president, do you think they'd be able to handle a gay guy?

[@nannyg666]

I would vote for Pete in a second. But two near-certainties would have to not happen for Pete to win the nomination; 1) The far-left who bathe in identity politics would have to shut up about the notion that black people would never vote for him, and 2) The far-left would have to put away their fantasy complaints about him not being left-enough, or "corporate" or whatever other nonsense fuels their ire and is perilously close to dooming the only sane political party left in the country.

[@angel2bx609]

@nannyg666 Totally agree 💯 Dems are dooming themselves with purity tests. And Bernie needs to retire and stfu.

[@alexhanna2445]

‘Extremely progressive’ is a stretch….

[@stevenhanley5505]

"Everything sucks: lets fast forward to Pete Buttigieg." Lets hope Democrats have "introspection" among their new years resolutions.

[@RoboticsJoe]

Why should Dems have introspection? Shouldn’t that be down to American voters who put Republicans back in office?

[@Twister-V1]

The fact that And Beshear isn’t on the list is crazy

[@peterjermey7235]

The three big problems with Buttigieg is 1 that he's perceived to be a nepo corporate Dem just because he's had success in the party, but he's anything but - relatively normal background, fairly progressive policies. But too many Progressives like to hate on him (with just a whiff of homophobia). 2. Despite being one of very few national politicians who has actually worked on issues of racial tension he's got a reputation for handling race relations badly. 3. There's undoubtedly a certain number of registered Democrats and Independents who would never vote for a gay man and that number will be a lot higher after 4 years of demonization of LGBT people by the Trump administration

[@shinnyshin7792]

@@peterjermey7235 The other issue is that Buttigieg's big draw in 2020 was that he was a Midwesterner who spoke like a (very smart) regular person and wasn't at all a Washington establishment insider. He desperately needed more experience than mayor of a ~100k town. But the experience he got was as a nonelected bureaucratic role in the most unpopular, hyper-Washington-insider cabinet of all time. Too much time in Washington and he loses his shine, plus he hasn't shown that he can win bigger elections. He really needs a successful run for governor in Michigan or Indiana (tricky) to get back on track as a viable future candidate.

[@peterjermey7235]

@shinnyshin7792 Trump had no experience at all.

[@ezra7088]

2:10 what i like about my governor Gavin Newsome is that there's no way in hell he'll become president, even tho he desperately wants to. It's amusing. Unfortunately that's about the only good thing i can say about him, dude cares more about getting clout than helping his constituents

[@evilotto9200]

newsome can tell the lie you want to hear with an over practiced smile better than any other on this list. zero conscience. big patrick bateman energy. could totally be president.

[@TroyTheTory]

What I would say is that if the candidate sounds like a politician, sounds like they're talking in soundbites or cliches, they will lose. The Democrats need to nominate someone who is authentic. Someone who validates the voter's feelings. Someone who communicates like a normal person. Out of this list, the only candidates that seem to come close to that is Mark Cuban and AOC.

[@HaagentheDazs]

lol opposite ends of the parties. I think once people realize what a crypto bro mark cuban is, coochies will be closing real quick. for what it's worth I think Warnock is p decent, but he's up for reelection so prob not him - maybe ossoff though? rly hope somebody emerges that none of us are thinking of

[@shinnyshin7792]

This exactly. We keep overvaluing where the candidate sits on the political spectrum. What matters is that they're charismatic--and I don't mean "charismatic for a bureaucrat" like Gore, Kerry, Hillary, Biden, or Harris. Also, they can't be perceived as a Washington insider because they need to be able to run on anti-establishment grievances. I do think AOC would have a difficult uphill climb because a NY politician who's been famous in congress for 10+ years inherently comes pre-branded as an establishment insider, especially after all the accumulated smears.

[@HaagentheDazs]

@@shinnyshin7792 idk dude I kinda want somebody who supports affordable housing over crypto. policy aint everything, but it's worth something

[@shinnyshin7792]

@@HaagentheDazs I mean same. But if Bill Clinton and Obama taught us anything, it's that anti-establishment & populist branding matter far more than policies when it comes to winning elections.

[@HaagentheDazs]

@@shinnyshin7792 sad but true. Idk if we see eye to eye about Mark Cuban having that X factor (beyond policy, after his role this election I think a lot of ppl have been turned off to him), but I think so many of us have been clobbering for an anti-establishment, economic populist for sometime. hopefully dems learn and give us somebody who is authentically that and doesn't do it just for show

[@pepperpepperpepper]

Enthusiasm for a football team is not even on my list of qualifications for president.

[@rowand2405]

And I’d suggest you (like me) are not a swing voter… and therefore aren’t that relevant towards winning elections.

[@jillisenberg9704]

Mayor Pete is my hope! He is an excellent communicator and just so competent.

[@analogboi]

he is a corporate tool, no thanks.

[@dexterthedog7551]

Was Pete a corporate tool when he put his life on the line for this country. If you are not a combat vet, sit down.

[@dexterthedog7551]

No Pete is not!!!! But he does understand how big money works. Good forbid we have a financially competent president.

[@analogboi]

@@dexterthedog7551 copium, hes a tool.

[@analogboi]

@@dexterthedog7551 do you have one example of when he went against his corporate donors to do right by the people, just one?

[@tomdolan7752]

Shocking that Andy Beshear isn't on your list. Someone who actually has the ability to speak effectively to people in red states and make them competitive.

[@danielbarrero2815]

No more corporate puppets please!

[@FoolOfATuque]

I don’t think we should make a billionaire the nominee for the Democratic Party unless you guys want to keep losing.

[@SunflowerLover63]

My pick for 2028 presidential run is Pete Buttigieg. He is the most intelligent and truly a good guy.

[@zelig1799]

There ain't no way, an effeminate guy with Butti in his name is winning. Come, on, be, serious.

[@JoeHartman80]

Not in 2028. He won’t get any votes from outside the faithful Dems.

[@gerrigarrick]

​@@zelig1799this comment makes me sad.

[@shinnyshin7792]

@@zelig1799 You focused on the Butti part, but doesn't tigieg mean chicken in Maltese (where his family's from)? I was in the Middle East in 2020 and people were cracking jokes about his name (dujaj = chicken in Arabic and sounds basically the same)

[@missd369]

​@shinnyshin7792 Or you could grow up and focus on his achievements. Pete has been traveling the country talking and listening to workers.

[@veronicawhite2271]

Thanks!

[@luke53285]

The cognitive dissonance as you go through each potential candidate (4 years out!) Is something to watch. You're not honest about a single one of those people. You both a are trying to stroke them as much as possible. When will you learn that the most important political capital is honesty and trustworthiness.

[@TheKraken5360]

I'm not sure its true that this era favors people who speak in quick concise soundbites. This was the podcast election. In today's era, I think you need to be able to be versatile. You need to be able to speak in short clips that would be conducive to Tik Tok, and you also need to be able to talk cogently for an hour or more on a podcast.

[@zenon3021]

AOC needs to go on Joe Rogan and just give him SHIT for 3 hours for what he did. America would fall in love.

[@shinnyshin7792]

Agreed. As usual, our strategists both overthink and underthink what people want in candidates. People want authentic-sounding candidates that can play to a crowd. Doesn't matter whether that crowd's at a rally, at a debate, or in an interview. This also isn't some new social media thing--this what people have always wanted. Why do our strategists think Clinton won? Why do they think Bush, a total dunce, managed to effectively tie our brainiest brain (Gore) and outright beat him in both debates? The only new thing here is that our party leadership suddenly decided in the 21st century people want stuffy bureaucrats who speak in politicianese.

[@ladyelaine08]

“Just buy some new fucking feathers”????WOW. These takes reek with elitism. Y’all have learned nothing.

[@BlueEyedBrunette]

I mean it's just a cynical take, which is reasonable. The American people in the general election proved they have no problem with a billionaire. We live in a country shaped by the idea that "if they have money they must know something I don't."

[@Vistapro97]

@@BlueEyedBrunettethat doesn’t change the fact these podcasters are elitist.

[@AhhhAh-qv6rc]

AOC is the closest shot we have to taking down the establishment; she seriously has a shot at this thing. The "she is too far left" bit is literal delusion, they made that up. Kamala had no progressive policy, didn't run as a progressive, and avoided it like the plague. It is literally untested on the national level.

[@NatisParker]

Buy a new electorate, amirite???

[@beccasheart]

This is a list of people they think will run… not people they necessarily hope or want to run.

[@im2old4this2]

Dems need a competitive primary. I like James Carville's idea of having a midterm convention to raise the profiles of these possibilities and others.

[@irenafarm]

James Carville is why we're in this mess, bless his heart.

[@im2old4this2]

@@irenafarm what was he wrong about?

[@Tailwag514]

Good idea but after Trump exhausted the political campaign to death, I think a lot of people would want a little break in-between campaigns.

[@im2old4this2]

@@Tailwag514 It seems like a lot of people are taking a break / tuning out right now. The summer of 2026 might be a good time to present an alternate vision for leading the country - give people some hope.

[@nsos28]

Wes Moore spoke to my incoming college class 3 years ago since his book, The Other Wes Moore, was our assigned summer reading. While most speakers at college ceremonies are boring and self-felating, Moore was actually an interesting and engaging speaker (plus I quite enjoyed his book). When I learned he was elected to Governor of Maryland, I was excited to see where he could go from there. While I don't think he's running for president soon, I would definitely be on the lookout to see where he goes next.

[@Gildedmuse]

8:20 Are we really applauding this guy for exploiting his workers? The only way to make that much profit is screwing someone over and its almost ALWAYS the workers.

[@lamiagumbo]

I desperately want Buttigieg to run. My dream ticket was Warren/Buttigieg but I think warrens time has passed. Buttigieg is very young, extremely intelligent and he now has more government experience.

[@eyasu6824]

America will not elect a homosexual before a female... Wake up.

[@stevenhanley5505]

Even more excitingly, he stands for nothing!

[@chadclayburg1410]

Are you high?

[@puppypersonlotr4538]

How about Buttigieg/Porter?

[@nannyg666]

He has the priceless assets of being incredibly smart, well-spoken, and appealing to moderate voters (the exact formula for success), so he doesn't stand a chance because the far-left will invent 1000 reasons why he's not revolutionary enough. They will pretend that all Democrats need is someone so left that their farthest left voters will be so excited they will all vote twice. Except that's not actually a thing that can happen and the electoral math doesn't work that way. But that won't matter to people who think math can be bent by feelings.

[@RajaAadam-qr9nc]

I'd vote for 90 year old Bernie over them

[@dancoyle6911]

AOC is the only working class candidate on this list and the only one I’d be willing to vote for. Sorry. Between Israel and Luigi, these people have proven that they are not representing my interests.

[@HaagentheDazs]

fr, I'll probably be voting socialist if half these clowns are the nominee

[@ImpatientPlatypus]

@@HaagentheDazsThe way we are now the options are literally just 99 corporate dems who don’t care about the people to the 1 (AOC) who does, not even about socialism anymore really

[@helenm6732]

I’m so burned out by the establishment pro Israel pro corporate Democrats. Losing President Jimmy Carter this weekend I feel added despondency for what American politics have become. Please do a follow up on white board carrying Katie Porter.

[@shinnyshin7792]

Not just that, we keep running bureaucrats. 2000, 2004, 2008, 2016, 2020, and 2024. Every time, the party has pushed a low-charisma, Washington insider bureaucrat. Usually the heir to a previous admin. That's never been the sort of candidate we win with--not in the last 100 years. It's like there's a club of out-of-touch bureaucrats convinced that they're the ideal candidate model despite 0 supporting evidence in history.

[@gidgyb1359]

@@helenm6732 I lost respect for Katie Porter when she released an ad claiming she was better than the other CA Senate candidates due to the age of her children. Katie Porter considers herself superior to others based on her ability to have children and that they are "school age". She's the only crappy politician I've heard make those types of claims other than JD Vance. Disgusting.

[@imnadia84]

Pro Zionist and Pro corporate go hand in hand. All of US weapons and tech R&D is being done in Israel. They benefit from wars and Pelosi is the ultimate example of someone getting rich on the middle class' suffering.

[@KailuaChick]

@@gidgyb1359 oof, as a CFBC woman, that makes me lose respect for Porter, too. What a disappointment.

[@HaagentheDazs]

@@KailuaChick @gidgyb1359 sound like that was dumb, but let's not forget that messaging is run less by candidates than their staff of msnbc-goggling thirty-somethings. porter has a strong policy background holding big business and wall st accountable when so many dems would rather capitulate and I really appreciate that. I dont think she's a serious 2028 contender, but maybe for ca governor

[@dylanharris2679]

Yooooo! Cardio for the constitution!!!! I’m dead! 😵 😅😂

[@ashtviceland]

Where are Andy Beshear and Jon Ossoff?

[@rverdi09]

It says a great deal that Tim Walz isn't on the list, as for Kamala she never won a single democrat primary vote but I guess third times the charm.

[@puppypersonlotr4538]

What do you feel it says that Walz isn't on the list? I think it just says that he hasn't stated an interest in running for president...

[@shinnyshin7792]

@@puppypersonlotr4538 He'll be 64. Ideally we want to run someone for two terms. Do you really want yet another septuagenarian presidential candidate? We Dems have been shattering age norms with our candidates starting in 2004 and it's done incredible brand damage. We desperately need someone young to counter the image that we're an insular group of old, out-of-touch fogeys who keep nominating their pals.

[@BlueEyedBrunette]

@@shinnyshin7792 He's literally the same age as Kamala...

[@shinnyshin7792]

@@BlueEyedBrunette ...yes, and they'd both be too old in 2028. Military retires its generals at 64 for a reason. Keep in mind that American generally prefer mid 40s to mid 50s candidates and Harris was significantly older than winning Dem candidates for the last hundred years--it's just compared to the procession of retirees (Hillary, Biden, Bernie, Warren), she felt young by contrast.

[@rverdi09]

@@puppypersonlotr4538 Many of them haven't, the hosts were laying out who they think might or would do it.

[@KingMapleSeed]

Kamala Harris needs to sit this out… please primary voters of 2028 do no vote for her if she’s running again

[@KingMapleSeed]

Also it’s impossible to predict who will run, just look at 2004, 2016 no one would have thought Obama and Biden would be running after those losses

[@danbradley8173]

She had her turn and she lost. Time for someone new to take the reigns..

[@shinnyshin7792]

I think we're safe if we have an actual primary. She came in nearly last in the 2020 primaries because she had nearly zero charisma--only reason she became the candidate is that she bypassed the voting process.

[@paulcarmi8130]

@@shinnyshin7792whoa there, you’re talking sense on a Dem channel, you’ll get accused of conspiracy with that talk!

[@FoolOfATuque]

In the 2020 primary she didn’t win one state and she was not popular. The only way they defeated Bernie was a deal to have all the corporate Dems drop out right before Super Tuesday and endorse Joe Biden. I think this run for president she was more polished, but with her pro-war stances I don’t think she’d make it through an actual primary.

[@keithstie]

Looks like Brian's got this one!

[@lisadorment8831]

You're missing Beshear, he's actually the most likely to win. He's the whole package.

[@Corgiengineer]

KY governor- Andy Beshar is another name to put out there. Would love to see him run for Senator?

[@fos1451]

Unlikely to win, same case as what happened in Maryland, people realize that while governor it’s more about your job and performance, for senate it’s all about party numbers and stronghold

[@shinnyshin7792]

I would hate to see him wasted as a Senator. Frankly, I think the Senate is where promising young candidates go to die. Senate is extremely Washington & establishment coded, while Governor is an executive position that doesn't brand you as a Washington insider. Imo, non-coastal governor is the ideal position to run from.

[@Corgiengineer]

@@fos1451 Totally agree it will be a midwestern governor or middle of America runner. Either way- democrats will have a stronger candidate than JD Vance. Vance only won his Senate race by 5 pts and he can't debate.

[@kl-1447]

I do wonder what he's gonna do when he's finished his term as governor. He's telegraphed looking towards the national stage, especially with his name being high in the VP picks. I don't know if he would be likely to win in a state-wide race for Senate; I think he would do well but I think it wouldn't be making the best of his talents.

[@SolXabidarra]

@@Corgiengineerindeed - thats why he mopped the floor against Coach Walz last fall. Vance is an evil pr’ck, but lets not fool ourselves. He is a formidable adversary

[@schlootle]

Kamala should be put on the shelf, she has already lost 3 times rather handidly. Even the DNC told us they didnt want Kamala twice already

[@mrlnxf8455]

My money would be all on Pete Buttigieg but I don't think America is ready to elect a gay man any more than it was ready to elect a Black woman.

[@lss8713]

I would vote for him in a heartbeat, but I completely agree that there are so many close-minded people that it would be a huge risk for the party. Then again, unfortunately, I think America will be more likely to vote for a gay man than for a woman. 😢

[@inventor4279]

The sentiment expressed in this comment is the exact reason Kamala lost

[@shinnyshin7792]

I wish. I was a big 2020 Buttigieg fan but didn't think he was electable even then. And I think he's grown significantly less electable since. His primary asset was that he was a Midwestern, non-Washington-insider who spoke like a regular person. He's spent 4 years in Washington doing strictly bureaucratic jobs and has nothing lined up for the next 4 years. He needs a Midwestern governor position ASAP or else he's going to lose any shine he has left and look like yet another Washington insider type.

[@mrlnxf8455]

@inventor4279 I certainly think it's one of them.

[@tristanmenguita3186]

He's a corporate democrat and a neo-liberal, if y'all actually want change in your country vote for someone who actually cares about people. Who is consistent in his or her policy position.

[@WendyLarson-v7r]

That was a GREAT VIDEO, Tommy!!!!

[@CherylH-z4l]

Jon Stewart and AOC

[@inventor4279]

Yes!

[@ZumaZoom07]

Ah yes. Two giant jokes

[@lbsc4527]

Have you heard Matt Damon's off the cuff thoughtful responses? He's pretty interesting to many people, and his thoughts were definitely in the helping others, Bernie sounding category. I say; we know he's popular, let people hear more from him and they'll be impressed, and he'd be strong. Possible to win all the people that want someone they feel like they know, with new ideas for bettering lives. I think he can win.

[@lbsc4527]

I say this, because it could win with people and might go really well.

[@rawn4203]

No AOC - we dont need illegal sympathizers and trans supporters. Havent we learned out lesson yet??

[@gfiremusic]

Happy new year BTC and Tommy V! Great ep as always. 🩵🩵🇺🇸

[@darhaha3391]

Cohen is 35.... that's not Gen Z...

[@kennethsandler7190]

I especially liked the video clips of both Gov. Pritzker (excellent sense of humor and effectively "pointed "in his opposition to Trump) and Rep. Warnock (passionate and oratorically gifted). Thanks for this presentation & Happy New Year!

[@Lauren...]

A Newsom and Moore ticket would dominate.

[@stephenglover8828]

Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsome - did you see what they did in Covid, say NO to authoritarianism.

[@magsbezen]

I LOVE You Two! Thank you for making me smile! Happy New Year to You and Yours! 💝

[@chococat746]

Where’s Tim Walz in all this? I’d pick him over Kamala or Shapiro

[@paulcarmi8130]

Braindead

[@onomatopoeia162003]

Soneone from this former district. 😁

[@shinnyshin7792]

I love Tim Walz. I was right next to his district in the 2000s and think the world of him. He'd be a 64-year-old candidate who's primarily known for his association with the failed Harris campaign. Even ignoring the second bit, he'd be running as a 72-year-old president because we always want to run someone two terms. Is that really a good idea? We Dems have been shattering age norms starting around Kerry--party's promoted an unbroken string of 60+ candidates when our branding is the party of young reformers. We desperately need someone under-60 to even begin undoing the massive brand damage we've accumulated.

[@trishagg]

Thoroughly enjoyed, guys. Thanks.

[@NikkLiberos]

This is a "May the odds be ever in your favor" kind of scenario.

[@Yellowjack17]

I would love to see Tim Walz running.

[@Javier-rg8vp]

As a CA liberal, I’m definitely in the anti-Gavin Newsome camp. I understand why people who aren’t from here would like Gavin Newsome to run but his governorship here has been terrible.

[@aaronjones4465]

From New York, he looks like the definition of a political scammer

[@johngorman6641]

Why do people think he should be rewarded if he couldn’t even take the lead on standing up to the NIMBYs for his entire governorship. When housing was almost entirely the cause of inflation, he put his political future over the housing and infrastructure needs of the state.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

Wouldn't mind someone here in the Midwest. Coming from walz former district.

[@Dababydaddy49]

I appreciate your comment. With all due respect to Gavin, he hasn’t helped the homeless other then shuffle them around or prices in California.

[@BlueEyedBrunette]

Honestly, his head is probably too big for it, but I wouldn't mind seeing him as a VP just for the debate.

[@lindagriffith9558]

Well, Brian, in spite of your proclamation, that "no winner" shall be named for this particular Liberal Tiers, I am here to proclaim, that I feel strongly, that Tommy is indeed THE Winner, and hopefully, I will not be silenced!!! And the main reason Tommy wins, is totally, AOC, AND his work out video and costume there in, AND The Game Must Go On! We are indeed, entertained and humored, thanks guys, Happy New Year and Big Thanks for the Joy that comes with Liberal Tiers. It's all Fun AND Funny!!! A true Blessing for myself indeed! Bright Blessings to You and Yours, Brian and Tommy, All the Best, Heading into the New Year ahead!🙏✌💓😂🖖

[@jmoe5921]

I don’t see Newsome being effective on a national stage. Would love to see a rust belt democrat governor and Andy B run for the ticket next cycle.

[@lizliz4186]

I really love these segments you too do. Thanks for the laughs. ❤️❤️❤️

[@Zenny1220]

Let’s just run Liz Cheney and skip the other Republican-lite candidates.

[@markthompson1819]

You're welcome to take our Jeremy Corbyn if that's the way you want to go. Good luck with that. 👍🏻

[@HaagentheDazs]

@@markthompson1819 corbyn won more votes than starmer both time he ran. only reason milquetoast labour won is cuz conservatives almost blew up the economy and then reform split the right vote. and even w/ that starmer now has lower net favorables than farage. so yeah I'd rather have PM Jeremy rn than PM Nigel in a few years

[@Zenny1220]

@ Just no warhawk Zionists who want to kiss up to Wall Street and Silicon Valley bros thanks.

[@peterjermey7235]

Or just go the whole hog and support Trump for a third term. Democrats aren't going to win by being knock off Republicans

[@peterjermey7235]

​@@HaagentheDazsI had high hopes for Corbyn but he proved an ineffective ditherer who accomplished very little except branding the British left as anti semitic. I think he's generally a good man who just isn't up to anything beyond backbencher. Somewhat ironically without the anti semitism of the British media against Ed Milliband we might have had a very different 21st century.

[@MinalPatelRD]

Fun segment! You guys balance each other out perfectly and it’s nice to see the possibilities in 2028

[@leighmsmith]

My senator The Great Rev. Warnock is an excellent candidate. I would also support Jon Ossoff. They are both real stand up public servents. They are against corruption, aggressively. Great orators and new politicians in their first terms so they can run as outsiders.

[@HaagentheDazs]

I like them both a lot too, I'd lean ossoff just bc Warnock has a reelection in 2028 and that senate seat is important

[@carrerau7138]

Ossoff is jewish. No chance against the antisemite wing of the Demmies.

[@katboss4886]

Jeez, I needed this in a big way!’

[@lizoidal]

I love these, great outfit for Tommy at the end. LOL!!!

[@DracoMalfoyable]

Watched the whole video, considered their arguments carefully and came away with this: "More sleeveless Tommy bits" 😂

[@kennethAmos8929]

I would loved to have seen a woman for president. In Denmark we have our second female prime minister. But I honestly don’t think the Americans are ready to see a female in office……. The US is still to sexist to let a female run the office. And Pete B is such a great and amazing politician…… but a gay man in office…… I don’t think tha US is ready for it. I’m gay, so I don’t have anything against LGBT+ people running for office. It should only be your work as a politician you are judged for and not who you love… But I honestly think the American people would focus to much on the fact who Pete is married to….. sadly enough But Gavin Newsom has a chance and I would believe a very big and good chance to become the next president 💙💙

[@Oceanmaster17]

It's like absolutely nothing was learned at all. It's gotta be purposefully at this point. "Once is happenstance (2016), twice is coincidence (2024), three times and assume it's enemy action (potentially 2028)"

[@noahchamberlain9797]

Definitely not Kamala Harris

[@gymrules27]

I hope Pete Buttigieg, Wes Moore, Ruben Gallego, Gretchen Whitmer, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez run for President in 2028. I wouldn't mind if Gavin Newsom and Josh Shapiro run as well. I would only want Kamala Harris to run if America wants a familiar face and name to be the 48th President.

[@jerihurd]

I'm down for Mayor Pete.

[@carrerau7138]

Mayor of a small town - that's the maximum for a lightweight like him. Demmies have far better choices.

[@peterjermey7235]

​@@carrerau7138he's been the most impactful Secretary of Transportation in my lifetime, more experience in the government and the military than Donald Trump!

[@missd369]

​@@peterjermey7235 And he's been out talking to the working people of America about the DOT projects.

[@carrerau7138]

@ Yes, negative impact.

[@analogboi]

yes he should be mayor somewhere.

[@katerusso4891]

Great show guys. Thanks for the laughs! Happy New Year!

[@elliottkashner8481]

This is Beshear erasure

[@serentrump2558]

Ok, so i never quite got Tommy but this punishment was legendary. What a great sport, you guys rock!! I'm now a convert.

[@Wildcat612]

I really hope Dems choose someone who excites them and not just whomever seems like the pick least likely to ruffle feathers. Excitement wins people over on social media. Excitement gets people to the polls. The electorate is changing and Dems can either pick someone who drives that change or they can pick the "Same Old, Same Old" and watch the population change around them, likely to their detriment.

[@matterhornmania]

Newsom won’t win nationally. I would go with Andy Beshear.

[@earthboundman5]

If these are our options... Congratulations to the 2028 President, JD Vance.

[@Redstapleryadayada37]

Yep lol 😂

[@2AM_Radio]

I really like Wes Moore the more I hear from him.

[@Leo-Galaxy]

*What about Tim Walz?*

[@HaagentheDazs]

I like him esp compared to most of these. he's mod but he's not a neolib. after the loss though idk I might be out of touch

[@rockingredpoppy9119]

I don't know if Tim would run.

[@vendettaGo]

He is the perfect candidate for 2028.

[@keepscats7936]

Too old in 2028. I seriously doubt that he'd want to run.

[@vendettaGo]

@@keepscats7936 64 too old?!

[@GlassSpiider]

Brian's assignment for Tommy in this episode if the best you've ever done, even better than his musical number. And Tommy nailed it 11/10. Almost crying at "rrreeeach across the aisle!" This will keep me watching Liberal Tiers into 2025.

[@GlassSpiider]

Glad I didn't have to pick a winner, but I would have chosen Brian for a change. Newsom and Shapiro are just the top picks, period.

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

I'm such a Buttigieg Stan but he needs to be a super populist. He just smells like elite to me. There will still be lots of pushback against a gay president with his husband and 2 adopted kids.

[@shinnyshin7792]

Who's also been a Washington insider in the Biden cabinet the last 4 years. Buttigieg was my favorite 2020 candidate (favorite, not most electable), but so much of his shine came from his Midwestern, not-a-Washington-insider, talks like a (very smart) regular person charm. 4 years as a bureaucrat in one of the least popular presidential administrations ever has likely left him less electable than in 2020, not more. He needs to win a Midwestern governor position ASAP if he wants to be remotely viable.

[@puppypersonlotr4538]

What would make him "less elite" ?

[@Keepthenetfree]

Yall, he worked for one of the most sinister consulting firms ever and you think he can go populist?

[@nannyg666]

That may be true, but as someone who respects intelligence, I like him the most on this list. And I hold great distain for anyone who thinks knowing things is "elite".

[@missd369]

​@@shinnyshin7792 Four years does not make you a Washington insider. It simply gives someone some experience in how Washington runs. He spent a lot of time visiting the DOT projects and talking with the workers.

[@Alan-lv9rw]

This is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[@SteveLastname715]

I think Whitmer should've gone higher, she was clearly waiting in the wings when Biden was spiraling. Kamala may have been poorly set up but she didn't catch on in 2020, lost in 2024, and a very talented field of speakers won't make things any easier, she should pivot to Governor.