Demonstrating the Importance of Technique | Foil Drive Masterclass

[@jas4696]

Super helpful and great job setting expectations. So glad you didn’t have 65kg person demonstrate all that and left me wondering if it would work for big guys.

[@foildrive]

We're all for real world examples and providing content for a range of riders both physically and from a skill level perspective. Glad you found it useful!

[@tormarquis]

Thank you so much for making this video. It totally gives me direction what boards to buy.

[@Foilfun]

Thank you! I normally hybrid wing on my 75L board and FD+. While on vacation, I've been hybrid proning with it. I watched your video this morning, and it inspired me to try my 25L winger board. Success for me and a friend!! We had a great day in very small swell.

[@tormarquis]

can you please list your weight and the model name/number of the board you used?

[@Foilfun]

@@tormarquis It's a 2023 Fanatic SkySurf TE (the pink board). I'm 160 lbs. Just finished riding it today. 😊

[@tormarquis]

@@Foilfun thanks for the answer.

[@stefanfuhrmann-wt3zd]

@Foilfun 😀 amazing! I share your experience! Even with the Sky Surf TE coming from 75l. I wanna add that if you needed to get up on flatwater, without a wave that's pushing you, than the Sky Surf has a lot of rocker which makes it plow/push a lot of water. I am using a 25l Duotone Pace 4'6" from 2019 ..flat..no rocker..mind blowing easy take off.😉🤜🤛

[@Foilfun]

@@stefanfuhrmann-wt3zd I've been using my board with the G2 Max and the Kujira 1210 and 980. Had four hours of wake pirating today. Very fun! 🏄‍♂️😊

[@BigDawgzWingFoilReviews]

Very helpful! At 100kg, it's great to see a fellow big dawg on small boards and foils with the FD Gen 2.Thanks for all great information and getting a head of the opinion train.

[@stefanfuhrmann-wt3zd]

🙏helped me a lot in the beginning. Now I've figured out that on a smaller board it helps while doing the double arm strokes to gently press your feet down on the water surface to help control the pitch in a good flat angle (like you'd do on a boat with trimming the motor😊) And, mounting the system further back in the tracks will make you plane more easily BUT when free foiling might be off centre, weird feel. The further you mount it forward in tracks the harder you get it on a plane, but you may find the sweet spot somewhere along the "road"😅. So some playing around with the mast position can help. thanks for making Foildrive 😀

[@jimheaven]

I’m just getting up and started at the back. When it gets up it feels very floppy (weird!). I don’t use my feet as trim, I bring them up to my back to shift my weight even further forward! 😂

[@stefanfuhrmann-wt3zd]

@jimheaven interesting! Also what you write about your smaller board. I had the same surprise. With my 45l Sky Surf from Duotone. Now I found out that my old Kitefoil Board works best. It's only 25l 4'6". But it's flat!! Very little rocker. And it makes the big difference! Even in cruising while waiting for a windswell to steepen up in Downwinding...it's so mellow! Not so much forward pressure needed. With 82kg I get up on a 850cm Frontwing. Loving Foildrive ❤️ 😆.

[@jimheaven]

Very useful. I’m 95kg and was struggling with my standard wingfoiling Fone kit. Upped my foil to a 1300 Seven Seas and using an overhead swim technique I got on my 54l rocket wing S, and it was easier than the wider bigger rocket 75l rocket wing which I prefer for winging. Glad I don’t have to buy a new board! The 54l carbon rocket wing s cost me £2k and it was too small for my weight winging to be fair….but is going to turn into a great foil drive board it seems….

[@foildrive]

Good to hear Jim! More water time perfecting the technique is always good to settle onto your gear, glad the video helped

[@Jerseywake]

Great instructional and perfect timing, thank you. My Gen2 arrives tomorrow and hopefully this education has stopped me making one!

[@fluiditynz]

Some tech interest there for me. I wing surf, 3D print last 13 years since I designed my first 3D printer motherboard and wrote it's software and all the wings I ride are my own designs. So very similar skill set, including I spent many years designing RC jet boats and jet units using brushless motors. I'm 115KG and so it's interesting to see it lifting you with various non beginner foils. I'm pretty happy with the winging coming from wind surfing and kite boarding but it's nice to see discussion of your "pre-spool" (folding prop would be a big point of difference vs fixed there) I've seen what I think are some fairly recent units, if you aren't yet moulding them, I'd suggest a medium hardness polyurethane 2=part resin. I suppose the 3D prints are adequate if not exposed to shear forces against the layer adhesion, PETG+ is pretty awesome to work with, has a bit of shrink but the adhesion is great and if you print it in white, much better temperature stability than PLA. There are some tricks in my wings that are being adopted by a few other companies for the outer wing profiles that affect stall angles after I linked some old but very inspired wing research on kite forums back in early 2021. The controller location vs the water is also interesting. With lots of cheap chipsets embracing radio inc ESP32 series with wireless and bluetooth and Arduino and LORA, that's an area I haven't experimented with under water yet. Ultrasonic might be an option too. The big trick with radio is FM and phase locked loops, I'm sure it can be adapted to ultrasonic and foils aren't noisy, so long as your prop's ballanced I guess the motor vibrations up through the mast aren't too bad? It's convenient that the maximum mast vibrations near the motor under load will be absorbed by the water around the mast.

[@geoffnicholls8539]

Brilliant! Thanks Paul!

[@majamase]

Great video Paul .. gonna try your pop up technique as I have been doing front foot first ... your method looks better.

[@genze58]

So smart to do the master class tutorial.

[@DavidSpragg]

Great stuff. Thank you. This is "super" helpful for prone surfers, and pump foilers, down winders. I'm guessing it's a bit different for wing foilers as we need at least one hand on the wing unless we are being really fancy. I am not fancy yet. In watching this, I think really low volume sinkers (volume for one's weight), long boards are not a go unless you're using straps even though the Gen2 Max has the power to get you flying. I'm starting on a 6' 2" x 21" 100 liter that should be cake and have an 85 liter 5' 6" x 26" (traditional wing board) and will be curious about how technique evolves with FoilDrive users and wings.

[@tom-foil]

Terrific masterclass 💯, thank you Paul 👍

[@mikeinhoodriver]

Great video Paul. How much do you weigh, out of curiosity?

[@catvaganay3237]

95kg. It says above, in the introduction

[@mikeinhoodriver]

Oops, thanks.@@catvaganay3237

[@finandfoil]

Great video. Very helpful information!

[@NicholasEllis-pe2lk]

Masterclass indeed mate, love its magic

[@tormarquis]

At "41 minutes 35 sec you introduce a 5'8" 30 liter foil board which i have since identified as a TWIG Pro Model. I was very impressed how you were able to ride it with the "foil drive". They don't make these boards any more. Is there any manufacturer out there making similiar boards?

[@widmarkeloo6812]

I noticed you changed the foildrive and mast from one board to the other at 29:14 without it coming apart. How do you keep the mast and foildrive system from not coming apart? Thanks

[@foildrive]

Integrated masts have an additional bolt that connects the electronics box to the mast!

[@widmarkeloo6812]

@@foildrive oh that’s right I forgot it was integrated. Thanks.

[@paulrubio7079]

I have the same question as someone else. What electric screwdriver is that and what torque setting? I think this is your best video. Well done

[@foildrive]

haha the best tool in the shop! It's a Makita TD022D www.totaltools.com.au/143646-makita-7-2v-2-x-1-5ah-impact-driver-kit-td022dse?srsltid=AfmBOorylcnYZYF4cFSor0yQF2yxjvkO6r3NjSh194TCxMIeOngrntpLI28

[@WesternStatesMetalRoofing]

What torque setting do you have it set at? Thank you for letting me know the tool. @@foildrive

[@RoryJenkins]

My Foil Drive Gen 2 arrived a couple of days ago. Not yet got it in the water. I think post this there’s a video re the controller settings and how when the controller gets in the water the prop will stop (sensible safety). So if on a small board, where you need to keep the controller on the board to transmit, won’t the both front arm swim stroke to get a boost, stop the motor?

[@foildrive]

The Gen2 system allows the rider to change the latency in the app. this is the time it takes for the controller to "cut out" and stop the motor. More info here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWeTh5JjacqZjJosi=eYF51RWyVb5jlxqy

[@Kimonha]

So cool. I know nothing about this. How much with board and all?

[@foildrive]

It's a pretty amazing sport to get into! Gear really depends on how deep you want to dive starting out! We recommend second hand gear or heading to a local foil dealer near you to try demo gear or take a lesson! There's a lot of options on the market in terms of foils and board, depending on where you're located as well. Here in Australia a Foildriving setup (motor included) can be anywhere from AUD 10000 - 15000 - If you haven't tried it lessons and demos are a great way to get a taste for the sport. You can find all of our Foil Drive dealers here if you're keen! foildrive.com.au/pages/dealers

[@prigentjmbf]

Super interesting ! could you give reference of your electric screwdriver please ?

[@foildrive]

@foildrive 2 months ago haha the best tool in the shop! It's a Makita TD022D www.totaltools.com.au/143646-makita-7-2v-2-x-1-5ah-impact-driver-kit-td022dse?srsltid=AfmBOorylcnYZYF4cFSor0yQF2yxjvkO6r3NjSh194TCxMIeOngrntpLI28

[@tormarquis]

Hello.... i tried to reproduce your technique on a 60 liter board, however the foil drive didn't deliver enough power to get me up. Therefore, Im wondering if the "app" was set differently than yours for this activity. Can you please post your settings that you used on the "remote" and /or app, so I can reproduce your results?? Thank you

[@tormarquis]

Have you ever tried to mount a foil drive on to a wake foil board? Will the signal transmit through the board?

[@julioa7383]

Genial el vídeo! Me surge una duda, piensas que una tabla con menos volumen y un poco más larga, sería más fácil despegar que con una mas corta pero con más volumen? Yo estoy en tu rango de peso y con una tabla de 80 litros 5,3' no consigo coger velocidad y he siguiendo todas tus indicaciones... Tabla plana, peso adelantado...

[@julioa7383]

Sería conveniente actualizar mi equipo a un motor de 3 hélices?

[@oscarduran1800]

I weigh 120 kg. and I am finding that the foil drive won't lift me without the help of a wave .... is there a weight limit ? for the foil drive Gen 2 ?

[@michaelkihn1305]

Do you need the foam inserts if your board has no carbon inside? And is that any special foam?

[@benda2250]

Please a video about integrated mast vs carbon mast with universal motor.

[@KatzStudioArt]

Can you do a masterclass on how to get up into waves?

[@foildrive]

sure thing! will add it to the list!

[@benda2250]

Thanks a lot ! So should you design a board for the gen 2 ?

[@johngourley5035]

DC boards

[@foildrive]

We're working on a whole list of gear designed specifically for Foil Drive here: foildrive.com.au/pages/designed-for-foil-drive

[@air7tv]

Paul, it's good you are able to keep your weight up just for these videos, are the beers tax deductible? 😂

[@marekkaniewski8789]

thank you great vid....so much great info at around 34 min re using to much power

[@dougapepper]

What length distance from board down to motor? 20cm?

[@DavidSpragg]

On all of these, Paul used a 25cm Gen2 stator cable setup. I think that is the distance from the top of the mast's base plate to the center of drive (center of propeller.) If you want the length from the board, you need to know the height of the battery box. I am not sure what those are for the Max and Slim. This video has more info - kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6LHiIqLaah4grM

[@E-sk8Fr]

25+5MMM likely 30cm.