Panoramic Shooting, When You Can't Afford The Hasselblad XPan

[@DavidHancock]

Here are three other ideas: the Minolta Alpha Sweet II, XTsi, HTsi (I think), and some similar Pentax cameras have a pano move in an interchangeable-lens SLR. The downside is that a lot of film is unused on each roll. In a similar vein, there used to be disposable panoramic cameras. Those can be disassembled and reused, but it's a bit fiddly. You can also use a Kodak Brownie 3, re-spool it with 35mm, and get a 3:1 image with sprocket holes. The s Brownie 3 can hold a 4x5 sheet, so it's a good pano option for either 35mm or 120 if you can find a couple of spools and baking paper.

[@ณรางคนาง]

True I used to owned the XTSI and it was very sweet

[@Herobox-ju4zd]

What about shooting with an anamorphic lens or lens adapter and stretching the image like they do with cinema? I know it can be fiddly because sometimes you have to deal with double focussing, but could be another alternative.

[@marcd7332]

@@Herobox-ju4zd kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJPXlZaMpcqkbpo this guy did exactly that

[@counterfit5]

I used one of those disposable panoramic cameras on a trip to Arizona and Las Vegas in the mid 90s. I wonder if I have any of those shots left...

[@Linus_YouTube]

The lumix G9 allows you to preview a range of crops, including veeery wide. But the images themselves are not going to be cropped.

[@slothsarecool]

I'm really surprised most digital cameras don't support custom crops, it'd be trivial to add from a programming standpoint. I sent a feature request to Leica about the Q2 for this, maybe more people just need to request-they said it's usually prioritized by customer requests.

[@bluecollar8525]

If you're shooting raw you can just apply whatever crop you want.

[@bersK00]

@@bluecollar8525 That's not the point, the point is having a real time preview of the cropped image. Heck, just give me an overlay in the viewfinder and don't crop the raw files instead, that might be even better as it is trivial to apply a crop when importing your photos in lightroom for instance.

[@outsidestuff5283]

I suppose with how easy it is to crop in post now that becomes quite a minor feature but yeah it would be nice to be able to preview it in the viewfinder

[@ndc5544p]

@@bluecollar8525 you can crop image format, not just raw

[@patmcdonnell7784]

As a fan of the format but a broke photographer Ive used the Horizon a good bit, over the years I’ve owned 3 different ones. I really appreciate your search for the x-pan alternatives. I’m really intrigued by the Oxygen 3D printed one. Keep up the great work.

[@dopamining7621]

This was so crazy cool. Love it. One thing : I used to shoot the Mamiya RZ67, and I remember seeing a 135 panorama back, in addition to the 6x6, 6x7 and 6x8 backs.

[@Bloggerky]

Finally, a gear review which is offbeat, funny, and informative. Thank you.

[@ColinRobertson_LLAP]

Other panoramic options, sorta... 1. Panasonic's LX camera's have adjustable aspect ratios that physically crop the sensor (as opposed to throwing pixels away), but I think they cap out at 16x9. 2. Using an anamorphic lens-not something I've tried, but I'm tempted by the Sirui version that's coming out for X mount... Downside is that unless the camera can de-squeeze it, you can't exactly see the composition as it would be. 3. Using a tilt-shift lens or lens shift. Far more accurate and without the distortion of typical panning-based panoramic stitching, but you still can't see it in-camera, let alone before you take the shot. I'd totally buy a digital panoramic camera, especially if it were X mount and had fuji film simulations... *COUGH* FUJI!

[@andrewmaltzoff6439]

For digital and the same price as the XPan, you can stay with Hasselblad and get the X1D II, which by itself is a beautiful camera to have with fantastic glass. It also has an XPan mode, which displays the ratio in the viewfinder and records this as a jpeg, but it also takes a RAW image using the full sensor. The downside is, the RAW version doesn’t record the XPan outline which will be an extra step in post editing. So I stick with jpeg. As you said ‘limitations can increase your artistic view on a subject’. I haven’t used this enough, but thanks to you, this video has encouraged me to do more. New Year’s resolution.

[@TheThirdH]

The Fuji GFX, Hasselblad X1D, and Panasonic S1/S1R all feature 65:24 “xPan” modes.

[@triggrhaapi]

A GFX50r would be a dream

[@ddxfs]

come on sony please...

[@koruki]

Wait how is an X1D cheaper than an Xpan?

[@ThisHolographicLife]

Andrew, you seriously have the best content! I was just falling down the X-Pan rabbit hole myself just a couple of weeks ago and was psyched to see you upload this video.

[@noeldavis618]

Oh man! I bought my Xpan new in college (2006) and when I lost access to a medium format film scanner I decided to sell it. I got almost $1,800 for it with the 45/4 lens, but it looks like it's worth way more today. Who would've known?

[@sbutler66]

A new alternative: I've just watched a review on the 'PressPan' by Jess Hobbs. The PressPan is a creation of Canadian Freeman, it's part Nikon FE with 3D printed lens mount for a Mamiya lens. It looked super neat and the negatives looked awesome!! Freeman also has lots of other 35mm Pano conversions that look great!

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Very cool. Love seeing solutions like these. Pitty it's zone focus. Thanks for letting me know! //A

[@scottelly2]

I shoot with an SD Quattro H, and today I was shooting in 21:9 aspect, with my 8-16mm lens. It's nice - real nice. I love my SD Quattro H. You can print huge from the files.

[@vito2048]

Scott K spot on this camera is truly underrated

[@AbdonPhirathon]

Scott K How many megapixels are the 21:9 aspect ratio images?

[@richardsimms251]

A very, very good presentation. Thank you. I will buy and use the 35 mm panoramic adapter for my Mamiya 7ii. Good advice.

[@Duvlin]

i used the HORIZON PANORAMIC camera professionally soon as they made an appearance in Ireland. my initial problem was showing proofs to clients. Very soon the guy in the Fujifilm lab invented a trick in overlapping prints on the print machine so I could quickly get clearance from clients. The lens quality was exceptional but the bodily was absolute Russian made crap. I ended up having to buy another camera as a backup. My work entailed interiors of pubs and restaurants. The conversion to digital was painful and even now still have accepting pains, but retired and happy to use Fujifilm x100F as a street snapper.

[@jonasalsgard841]

There are 2 Linhof panoramic cameras: the Technorama 617 (6 x 17 on 120 roll film) and the Technorama 612 (6 x 12 on 120 roll film), which are professional, with exceptional lenses, some model can even shift the lens to control the lines. There is also the cheaper Fuji 617 (6 x 17 on 120 roll film). To be noted that the Hasselblad was born thanks to a collaboration between Fuji and Hasselblad and that uses the 35mm film, which means that the image quality is much lower than the one you obtain from the medium format panoramic cameras like the Linhof ones. Just one extra note: you can hand-held the Linhof cameras, but I guess that most users would use them on the tripod. More likely, the Hasselblad is much more used hand-held.

[@SilntObsvr]

I've just started shooting sprocket panoramics in my RB67. I get 35x67 over the sprockets, or if/when I make a film mask for it, I'll get 24x67. The camera with 90 mm lens and two 120 backs was under $400, and the 220 back I'm using for the 35mm adaptation was under $20 ("for parts or repair"). When fully built up, I'll be shooting cassette-to-cassette with leaders, on bulk loaded film, to minimize waste, and I should then get about 18 images on a 36 exposure length of film. Yes, it's heavy, but the lenses are quite good and the reasonably common ones are fairly cheap. Also, it's fully mechanical, doesn't even need batteries unless I add a metering viewfinder. A drop-in frame mask is child's play, so I can accurately compose for my final 24x67 frames, and with a very minor mod to the 220 back, I get perfect frame spacing and automatic advance handling, just as I would with 120 or 220 film.

[@Noealz]

Like how you keep the ideas original man - never thought about street panoramas before

[@vangstr]

I prefer my Mamiya 7ii with the panoramic adaptor. It will never fail like the Xpan. Nor does it require special filters to compensate for light fall off. And best of all, it can shoot 6x7 negs.

[@SilverHalides]

Teng Vang, yes, I’d vote for this solution as well.

[@tassadar1977]

The Mamiya 7 is prone to electronic and mechanical failure too.

[@vangstr]

@@tassadar1977 They don't become a brick like the Xpan. Mamiya can be serviced. Xpan cannot be serviced.

[@tassadar1977]

I've had two bricked Mamiya 7s

[@vangstr]

@@tassadar1977 Really I've hardly had issues with mine. What was wrong with them? You must love them a lot to have acquired 2.

[@selzzaW]

Always a pleasure to see the ETRSi get some love. I was lucky enough to get the 135 W back from my grandpa.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Love that back

[@mjones410]

I've been looking forward to this video. I really enjoy shooting 35mm film with the Fuji GSW690, I roll the 35mm film in to 120 spools and just shoot as normal (as Sinan mentions below). It gives me a 3:1 aspect ratio (wider than the xpan) and a 35mm equivalent field of view. Two thumbs up for Panomicron Oxygen.

[@geofflongford2008]

I had a Horizon 202 I bought in a Moscow market for very little. Had a heap of fun with it. The IQ was pretty good but the distortion was a bit too much for certain subjects. Also but not quite the same was a Rollei Prego that shot in panoramic mode. I think it just masked the film to get the pano but it was fun to use.

[@TawaraboshiGenba]

What aspect ratio are you aiming for? afaik, Fuji X cameras can do a 16:9 crop in-camera, and it seems the GFX (both S & R) can do a 65:24 crop in-camera. 16:9 is pretty close to 21:9, and 65:24 is even wider than 21:9 - fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/x-t3/menu_shooting/image_quality_setting/index.html#image_size - fujilove.com/shooting-panoramas-with-the-gfx-50r/ - fujifilm-dsc.com/en/manual/gfx50r/menu_shooting/image_quality_setting/index.html#image_size

[@beccamitchell05]

I bought a Bronica SQ and made my own viewfinder cover to show the crop and cut an old 120 spool to hold a 35mm roll in a 220 film back which is a TON cheaper than the 135. There are a few videos about how to use the 120 spool to hold the 35mm film and positioning the film is sometimes inaccurate but all together I got the Bronica and the 120 and 220 backs for $200.

[@hybryd83]

Thanks for this video! I'm a huge fan of the panoramic aspect ratio, and I believe the following cameras worth the mentioning. The Canon EOS 55 which is the Japanese version of the EOS ELAN IIE QD / EOS 50E QD has a 3:1 ratio masking option, and two engraved lines in the viewfinder to make the composition easier. The Bronica SQ-Ai system also has a panoramic film back, the SQ-i 135W (for 35mm film). Definitely not a street photography alternative, but there is a 6x12 Roll film holder made by Horseman for large format (4x5") cameras.

[@hughrussell4360]

Another option is the Mamiya 6 MF. You can get a 35mm adapter for this which lets you shoot 24x56mm negs, and has framelines in the finder. There are also kits available for the Mamiya 7 and 7ii, although they don't have framelines for this crop.

[@vangstr]

There are markings for the panoramic inside the viewfinder and external finders. If you look along the sides you'll see the slight marks indicating the pano frame.

[@hughrussell4360]

My mistake, another great option then :)

[@calvinchann1996]

Fuji have that crop in their GFX bodies. You also missed the Mamiya 7 which has an adaptor for pano.

[@Шоуодногожурналиста]

Mamiya is super cool but it's pretty much the same at least at ebay and Russia. pricetag aside - mamiya is a better choice

[@df0rce]

Didnt knew but i actually waited for such a video. Thanks a ton. I just found you put each section to close together. A little pause between cams + a headline which camera is up now would help to declutter it. However i would really like to see more pano stuff! Cheers mate

[@RexBer]

nice video, I thought you should have mentioned the angle of view of panoramic shots, I think the Horizon captures around 140 deg, whereas if you convert a medium format camera to use 35mm film, the angle will not be much greater than a cropped point and shoot

[@CymbalsOnly]

Yes, pretty much everyone seems to forget this. You are simply achieving panoramic crops with most of these “solutions,” and not greater angle of view!

[@EntonationStudios]

There are anamorphic adapters for Fuji. The anamorphot 40 and 50 do a great job and you don't really miss any details by cropping

[@ae4102]

I shoot 35mm in a folding bellows 6x9 medium format with 10$ spool adapters. Easy. Cheap vintage camera (80-100$). Great look. And you expose over the sprocket holes which is nice if you want that look as well. Or just crop it out.

[@benyyz]

I totally agree with you about including panoramic aspect ratios on digital cameras to improve framing. But it would be even better if we could use anamorphic lenses on 4:3 sensors and have software desqueeze the image in camera for easy composition!

[@lsamoa]

Yes I'd LOVE that!

[@moviebufftexas5277]

Hi Andrew. My Fuji GFX50S shoots in camera 65:24 panos. 25MP and everything is visible real time.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

I've heard that from other GFX owners. I really wish I didn't know that. Now I have to have one. ;)

[@moviebufftexas5277]

I just got a new pano adapter for my Mamiya 645 Super. Shoots 35mm and will allow a 24mm high by 6cm wide pano. Cheap alternative and a massively underrated camera.

[@skaboa]

Nice video. The mamiya 645 pro 135 back also has a panoramic slide adapter!

[@sonpois]

good video mate. The fuji GFX 50's and r also have a pano function. I use it all the time (sometimes I wish it cropped the raw's so that i must commit but you can alter the crop in post whereas the jpgs are cropped for good). Not exactly a cheap camera but it's an alternative.

[@Jon_Oates]

If you can live with the long exposure times, the very affordable RealitySoSubtle 6 x 17 pinhole camera produces amazing panoramic pics on 120 film (four shots per roll). Not for run & gun street work though.

[@VariTimo]

I just got a Minolta Riva Panorama. It’s a nice and simple point and shoot that crops down the top and bottom of 35mm film.

[@TheMarkRich]

Fuji xpro1 has a wonderful panoramic mode sadly missing from xpro2

[@BrunoChalifour]

Fuji panoramic mode was not "wonderful" and that is why they dropped it. I used it in various Fuji cameras several times and several times, because it took numerous images and then assembled them in-camera, the results showed jagged / weirdly pixelated areas where two images were joined.

[@maxdmachy]

Most convincing example shots. Looking at the frame you'll get is essential for street-style photography! And inspires you to explore the creative potential of anything not so usual.

[@bigal2643]

You could also get a dark bag and re-roll 35mm film into some 120 backing paper and spools and just load in any medium format camera right?

[@myheartbelong2oi]

I've thought about trying that myself. But I feel like it might be frustrating and expensive to figure it out since the film might not be straight and you'll have to guess where your film is when composing your shots.

[@drsassafrass13]

My solution when I wanted to try 35mm in my Hasselblad was to cut 120 spools and fit them into the 35mm cartridge. Worked really well for me. instagram.com/p/BDoqk_jFk1F/ here is an example image

[@theoldcameraguy]

Great info - love the van shot at 10:18 and the beach shot at 12:11 in particular!

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Thanks!

[@key2adventure]

I bought some cheap 220 backs for my mamiya rb67, use a 3D printed 120 to 35mm adapter, printed framelines in the waist level viewfinder, and can have several film going at the same time: colour, black and white, different brands etc. I rewind them in a darkroom bag after the shoot before developing. That is a quite flexible solution, very cheap, and gives high quality results. On the expensive side, I use my Hasselblad X1D mk II in XPAN mode very often. Actually, I have custom setting 1 to do exactly that, including also setting the camera to electronic shutter in order to use vintage glass :-)

[@blackurtis]

As someone mentioned already, I cut a 120 spool to hold 35mm film roll in the A24 back for my Hassie. It's producing a shorter frame than Xpan, and the camera is hard to operate as I've got to bend to compose horizontally. However, as I already had my 2000fcm with a portrait lens, I decided to try this and I really like the results. Still dreaming about an Xpan, for the ease of use. It will come!

[@jacopoabbruscato9271]

I'd mention the Malefic 6x12 and 6x17 panoramic cameras, using 120 film and any large format lens

[@obeyhellokitty143]

I don’t remember if you mentioned the Fuji GX617

[@billkaroly]

Your videos are always interesting. I love your enthusiasm. I played with that Russian camera back in 2001 and I guess I need to find the negatives. The Oxygen camera reminds me a little of a Goodman Labs Zone or One.

[@girmonsproductions]

Pentax MZ7 which I got has a panoramic crop mode, its a 35mm camera and inside two metal blinds will cover the top and bottom of your film and so you can actually see it in the viewfinder and shoot like that all the time and its a great alternative. I got mine for 20 pounds.

[@sappnin8153]

But surely that’s just like cropping it afterwards, it’s practical but it’s not a true pano really. Or am I being really stupid and missing something...

[@sappnin8153]

Just noticed he mentioned that in the video, ignore me...

[@jshanni2066]

Probably worth mentioning that the Panasonic S series also have 65:24 ratio as an in-camera shooting option. Obviously the higher resolution S1R would be preferable to an S1 or S5 as you'd have plenty of file size left after the crop.

[@Monoxotix]

Thank you for that idea!!! I have an Agfa Billy 1 (Medium-Format 6*9). I try to get some panorama photos with a 35mm Film. It's round about a 21:6 ratio. Let's have some fun!!!

[@ashzhu3085]

My beloved Quattro dp2 also does a good job in taking 21:9 panos.

[@Lainer1]

DOn't forget the Sigma Quattro DP0 camera!

[@BillyMcBillface]

If I were to make a decision, I would probably try out getting an adapter for a medium format camera and run 35mm through it. While I understand it could be tough to work with or inconsistent, I don’t have a medium format anyway so it would be an upgrade for me regardless. The horizon 202 seemed like a nice entry level camera but the general lack of control is really discouraging to me.

[@weisserth]

I'm with you on the Sigma approach. My choice of poison is the DP0 Quattro. Same sensor, 14mm ultra wide angle without distortion (91 degrees field of view, equivalent to a 21mm on 35mm full frame). Auto-focus on APSC with a 14mm is not an issue, the lens' fastest aperture is f4, so the DoF is massive. Zone focus is the name of the game and since you need to shoot it at ISO 100 to 200 anyway, that works out good enough. The 21:9 crop leaves 12MP of nominal resolution to work with. The actual resolution of those 12MP from the Foveon will more likely be comparable in image quality to 16MP from a Bayer sensor. You can print from that for anything in a book, magazines and wall prints up to 45 inches on the long side are no issue at all with careful processing. I agree with you that camera makers should update their cameras to include 21:9 and 16:9 aspect ratios in their viewfinders. Most smaller mirrorless cameras have plenty of resolution to go around to crop in like that. Framing is the hard part.

[@joangilisuarez7090]

Well the most similar result you can get to an Xpan is using the Mamiya 7 35mm adaptor and its 43mm lense.

[@jurajzahumensky6378]

did that. works perfect :)

[@jan.tichavsky]

Which isn't much cheaper :)

[@joangilisuarez7090]

@@jan.tichavsky Well Mamiya 7 is a better camera so hence it's price

[@jan.tichavsky]

@@joangilisuarez7090 Yes but this is under video about affordable atlernatives, Mamiya 7 is not that although it is a nice system indeed. The original Mamiya panoramic adapter is very expensive part itself.

[@gouzigounette]

I am surprised that you did not metioned all the 6x9 foldable camera. It is a fairly cheap alternative with a lot of choice in terms of camera. I made some trial with 35mm film in a 1935 Kodak Brownie 616 and I got decent shots, suuuuper wide photo ;) . The lens is a single element so there was distortion on the edges, but I guess it might be very nice with a zeiss super ikonta ( 6x9 rangefinder ). All it needs is a 135 to 120 adapter and a bit of practice to not overlap frames. Anyway that's my suggestion.

[@klausmoritzpeitzsch690]

I have tried the same with old box cameras. But it is very tricky to get the film to be plane.

[@paolosoddu9642]

I was just daydreaming about the x-pan today at work... Thank you :)

[@CHEsnproductions]

You forgot to mention the exa-rama, the exakta panoramic SLR, 24x56mm, has exakta mount

[@eddiebooth9795]

saying the quattro is an ugly camera is one of the most upsetting things Ive ever heard, I think its (at most angles) one of the best looking cameras

[@Tudor_Mateescu]

Also Lumix S1 has panoramic aspect ratio. ･Variable Aspect Ratios With New 65:24 and 2:1 In addition to the standard 3:2, 4:3, 16:9 and 1:1, 65:24 (Film Panorama) and 2:1 (6 x 12 cm) aspect ratios are available for photo shooting.

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Good to know. Thanks!

[@edwinvoorhees1952]

I don’t like fiddling with 135, and especially find it annoying to load onto reels. Not being able to afford a dedicated 6x17 Linhof or Fuji camera, I taught myself to shoot my Graflex Super Graphic hand held using the rangefinder or zone/hyperfocal focus and the sport finder. Then I finally got a deal on a Horseman 6x12 back, so now the Super stays in the bag with the Horseman back on it. Now I’m shooting 6x12 on 120 film for a good bit less than 1k

[@nandouy]

I put 35mm rolled into 120 backpaper, then use it on a Fuji GW690ii, y have no frame guides, but pretty much I compose leaving a 1/4 up and down the original frame, the plus side of this method, you treat/loadl/unload the 35mm film on camera asif it were any 120 film

[@JP1050x]

Shooting a Leica iiif/if with 15mm, 21mm, or 25mm lenses might give you a similar effect as the XPan if you crop it. So that might be another good alternative than the massive XPan. The only limitation would be the larger print size you can get with the uncropped XPan.

[@Scott_Graham]

This is great. There are a bunch of 80’s Pentax SLRs with a pano mode as well. It’s nice to have interchangeable lenses 🤓

[@billkaroly]

My old Pentax ZX-5 has a piano mode but I treat it with disdain as you're only getting a cropped 35mm frame.

[@RedStarRogue]

I recently mounted an SLR Magic anamorphic adapter onto my Pentax 645n and can now shoot frames just over 6x9. Not quite the same or as wide as Xpan but it's an option.

[@peterebel7899]

X-Pan was my favorit for all my genres beside of wildlife. It changed my photography to the better doing all manual. The experience was top performance with relatively acceptable price tag. Before I went to DSLR not just for the long lenses (doing so streamlining the post workflow with Lightroom instead of the slide archive). Waiting up today for a digital follow up of this concept providing high quality, versatility and fun in photographic craftsmanship. Come on Fuji: There is a unique niche for the enthusiasts and professionals, provide not just me too products. I do not expect Hasselblad jumping on this train.

[@NickyNooNah99]

Just had some 645 film developed. I use a mamiya 645 super. I was thinking today and felt the need to share it here. The mamiya 645 uses a removal film back and a dark slide. I don't think there'd be much work in cutting a nice hole in the dark slide such that it crops the full 645 frame down to something more panoramic. Luckily, the film can be advanced manually to any position, meaning you can advance it a half shot rather than a full shot. now you have 60mm wide compositions that are as tall as you want to modify the dark slide to be. As for the view finder... maybe if you were smart enough, you could modify the ground glass to have a small etching on it to indicate the cropped frame.

[@rekaszendi9060]

Hi Andrew, nice video thanks!! Have you seen the Dora Goodman 6x12 Zone they just recently launched? would be interesting to hear something about that as well, it seems pretty awesome

[@triggrhaapi]

I've stuck to digital cropping. It works remarkably well once you develop an eye for it.

[@relaxsounds6970]

Fuji gfx and lumix s5 (not sure s1 and s1r) can do 65:24 format 😊

[@izustun9851]

I was wondering that how it is going to look like if we use 14mm lens on modern FF camera and crop it as 21:9. I ordered Samyang 14 2.8 for my Sony a7r2, probably after crop I'll have still 25-26 megapixels which is more than enough.

Hola, gracias por tu video, tengo la bronica y la sigma sd4 H, y me quedo con la sigma, siempre, um monton de opciones y una camara realmente diferente que te obliga a pensar y a disfrutar, saldos desde Canarias, L Perera.

[@inevitablecraftslab]

07:37 its 120° i think, also i think i will buy that for this summer :) I wonder if you can open it and refocus to like a meter or two

[@tc227]

Great video! I'm in the same boat. I love composing in panoramic frame line but XPan is just way too expensive. I have thought about 135 in medium format camera solutions, but I find them too large and heavy for XPan kind of usage. What I ended up doing it cutting out a plastic mask and put it onto my a7R3's LCD screen to block out the frame outside XPan ratio. In this way, I see the panoramic frame at shoot time. After cropping, I still have 23MP left, which isn't bad. The downside of this method is I can only compose using the screen, not the eye-level viewfinder. BTW, two other digital cameras I know of that have built-in panoramic crop are Fuji GFX50 and Hasselblad X1D. Both have 65:24 crop, which is identical to XPan ratio. On the other hand, with their 4:3 sensor, after cropping they don't have much more MP than a 40ish MP 135 camera.

[@maximefellion]

Hello Try the Sigma DP 0 quattro. This camera offers a landscape format very close to the Hasselblad.

[@rpgroome]

Does the Bronica ETRS have a mask so that you see the paorama through the viewfinder?

[@kevinterrado19]

The Pentax 67 can be used as well to shoot panoramic 35mm photos using a 3D printed adapter to put the canister in the body - love mine! Haha

[@ShawneeUnion]

Very well done. Ondu pinhole decent option too but not for hand holding.

[@gavingo8969]

Im shooting the gfx50r 65:25 and for me this is my solution to eliminate film process and it works for me. I use the xpan 30mm lens plus so many more.

[@gunayorbay]

I was excited about xf 16mm f2.8 for this purpose.

[@jurajzahumensky6378]

there is also pano backs for bigger Bronicas. but 135W is rare as unicorn :( but Mamiya 7 with and 35mm adapter work fantastic.

[@tjbwhitehea1]

Do you know if the Broncca SQ cameras have a panoramic back?

[@jurajzahumensky6378]

Tom :/ yes they have. Very rare and expensive

[@tjbwhitehea1]

@@jurajzahumensky6378 wow looks like they cost about 300 dollars here in Japan. That's the price of the camera with a lense and 6x6 back 🙈

[@jurajzahumensky6378]

Tom :/ yip that is why i made one from 220 back and some 3d printed adapter for 35mm film

[@jurajzahumensky6378]

@@tjbwhitehea1 told you.RARE

[@degrootallard]

Hi Andrew, do you by accident did the review of the sigma? Can’t find it on your account if I’m right. Looking forward to it. Something else, just purchased a Sigma DP1x from mpb (still waiting) and looking forward to it, albeit a super slow camera, but heard the Foveon is amazing. So worth a try I thought. Is that a camera you ever used? Talk to you! Allard

[@orbolanos]

Andrew, have you considered using a Fuji X camera, with an anamorphic lens? This way you can get panoramic images, which what you already have.

[@Narsuitus]

I have never used the Hasselblad Xpan to obtain a 24x65 aspect ratio on 35mm film. I have, however, used my RB67 to obtain a 24x68 aspect ratio on 35mm film. I cut the ends off a 120 film spool and used those ends as spacers for my 35mm film canister in a RB67 220 back. After capturing twenty panoramic images, I can rewind the 35mm film in a black bag in the field. However, after completing the roll, I usually remove the 220 back, take it home, and remove the 35mm film from the 220 back in the darkroom. If I need to continue shooting, I replace the back with a spare preloaded back. After I develop the film, I have the option of including or excluding the sprocket holes from the image.

[@tysonhabein8655]

just put some 3d printed adapters in my fujica 690blp. Works a treat for panos. Plus you have to love those big medium format 6x9 negatives

[@TarrelScot]

What a well researched video! Not an ideal solution, but I'm looking at masking the ground glass screen of my Mamiya 645. It will allow me to frame up in 65:24 but obviously the negs will still be in their original format, to be cropped after scanning or masked during printing. The other solution of course is a Fujifilm GFX which has a 65:24 crop option. Pricey, but still cheaper than an X-pan, especially if you buy used and pair with vintage glass. Here in the UK you can pick up a used 50s from a dealer for around £1600. By the way, nice move to use Arnold Newman's pano crop of the Stravinsky portrait to illustrate a point about creative constraint!👌 And finally, thanks for a great idea for an excuse when you're about to miss a deadline; "The dog ate my camera"!

[@-grey]

I have been shooting xpan style with my x-t2 for a while. It's hard to envision the ratio. I wish that we could get a firmware update that gives more crop options. Constraints are creativity in my opinion, so I make galleries regularly with forced rule sets to follow.

[@JP1050x]

I have a Bronica ETRSi with a 40mm lens. It’s a nice setup! You can just crop 120 film with the same effect as the 35mm back. But, the 35mm back will let you shoot film not available in 120, and you might get a couple more shots per roll than the normal med format backs.

[@greggreaves1727]

those bronica shots look awesome

[@bcolorfull]

Any tips for setting up guides on the Bronica so you have an idea of your frame when shooting with a 135 back?

[@Alexandermeter]

Today I made mask for my hasselblad V(drop in) with the ratio 24x65 on transparant screen, and taped the parts I don't use away, later cropping the negative, yes it cost maybe some film, but on the other hand it's cheaper and flexible than the X-Pan. And it's an SLR.

[@STANDRDUSER]

I just purchased the Sigma SDQH. What’s the brand for your adapter?

[@nemohomealone]

Ever thought about using an anamorphic lense and stretch the photo in post?

[@soulstart89]

Great video. To add to the options is the mamiya 6 with the adapter. I love this ratio. My ideal format would be 6x12. A camera with a coupled rangefinder for walking about. Yet to find anyone who is interested in trying to Male one.

[@klausmoritzpeitzsch690]

Well, I have good news for you: Linhof Technorama 612pc. (linhof.com/tag/6x12/) Also available in 6x17.

[@soulstart89]

Klaus Moritz Peitzsch I didn’t even realise you replied mate. Sorry lol. Yes I’ve then them also the noblex and widelux 6x12.

[@leenfield]

Sigma will launch a new full format mirror less camera in 2020 which will possibly come up with a few panoramic crop modes

[@jbide7178]

Check out the Fujifilm gfx 50r.... medium format digital camera that offers pano format in the same aspect ratio as the xpan...... more expensive, but new, at least.

[@noc838]

Linhof 612 and 617 are pretty impressive too

[@AndrewGoodCamera]

Certainly, but not on the street. That would be... hard. :)

[@lwfeagan]

Denae & Andrew Exactly! I have on multiple occasions experienced various iterations of the Linhof Technorama and they are incredibly huge and heavy. The Linhof is more like a technical view camera, meant to be mounted on a tripod. You only get four shots per 120 roll, and 220 which would provide 8 shots basically doesn’t exist unless you want to roll it yourself anymore. A 4x5 large format is more portable and can actually use a Shenhao 6x17 back, which is what my friends do for panos. There is a part of me that still wants this camera, but when I consider the practical details of hauling a 6 lb (3kg) camera plus accessories around, I wimp out and bow down to Ansel Adams being so hardcore about hauling heavy gear into the back country.

[@noc838]

@@lwfeagan a few times now i have read people mentioning rolling their own 120. HOW? is there such a thing as bulk 120 film?

[@SweetLouPhotography]

Yoooooooooo have you used the FujiFilm Discovery?? It's pano mode is pretty sweet. I paid a big 4 bucks for mine haha.

[@Lainer1]

I have one too. Yeah, it was a nice find.

[@shubhrak]

You also did not mentioned Linhof Technorama 617, granted it is almost twice of Xpan prices though ;)

[@ReneKraaijeveld-bi6kk]

A friend who took a black xpan to the rainforest for couple of weeks. Within 2 days all the black paint disappeared and film got stuck, damp inside body, while his Nikon F continued to work through the weeks. Nice camera to show off with, but not a tool to work with.

[@DC-mm3wy]

Hi what about the Widelux . Several generations to chose from and a great panoramic camera . Jeff Bridges has taken great photos over the years on the Film sets he’s worked on with his Widelux .

[@dl211981]

Some newer model of OnePlus and Oppo high-end smartphones do have Hasselblad Xpad mode for around $1000 or less.

[@duncansk8r]

I have a small spool adapter that will let you run a roll of 35mm through any 120mm camera, makes for some amazing results! Especially going through my Fuji 6x9, the frame ends up super wide!