Deno vs. Node.js vs Bun: Performance (Latency - Throughput - Saturation - Availability)

[@AntonPutra]

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[@MDFireX5]

где fastapi ?

[@artemxyi]

Wheres low level languages😢? Try Drogon(c++), rust(Ntex), rust(Tokio), rust(xtica-web)

[@artemxyi]

​@@MDFireX5нахуй он никому не нужен

[@ebuzertahakanat]

compare java latest to any language you want

[@RootAndroidAndEthicalHacker]

DB test MS SQL VS Postgres VS MySQL

[@winterboltgames]

So he is real and not a robot from another dimension doing benchmarks on human technologies! 😂

[@AntonPutra]

😊

[@ulrich-tonmoy]

i was so focus on the video i didnt know until i came to read comments after finishing the video

[@rvft]

Your channel's quality has drastically increased over time. I really enjoy watching your videos. Good job man, keep it up!

[@AntonPutra]

thank you! i do my best

[@dacam29]

True! 💯

[@farshadm900]

+1 Respect

[@TweakMDS]

Heyy we have a facecam, good progress! :) Also, I want to make a bit of a brave and maybe unrealistic suggestion: Azure vs AWS vs Google Cloud. Some workload similar to what you normally do. Choose similar machine types and storage, use each cloud provider's Postgres as-a-service solution.

[@isenewotheophilus6485]

That test will be flawed, the data centers might be far from each other

[@saiphaneeshk.h.5482]

​@isenewotheophilus6485 same server location can be used right?

[@TweakMDS]

@@isenewotheophilus6485 agreed, and there's probably too many variables to consider, with hundreds of machine types and network settings that may change latency. Still would be nice though

[@commonfolk663]

It would make a lot of sense, here we're coming to conclusion that 20ms over 24ms per request at 80k rps is "Speed". But in reality, 24 ms is barely ever reachable in any capacity of interaction, other than server-server within same data-center.

[@unom8]

​@@isenewotheophilus6485he runs his tests with network local clients, it should be possible to do the same in this situation

[@daniellionel01]

Super cool, thank you! BEAM languages, such as Erlang, Elixir & Gleam would be fascinating!

[@AntonPutra]

thanks! will do soon!

[@RaphaelBobillot42]

Well, as Gleam compiles to Erlang, I'm not sure that it would make any benchmark difference ? But I would be genuinely amazed to see an actual diff !

[@daniellionel01]

@@RaphaelBobillot42 Yeah that's true. Elixir compiles to erlang bytecode, as I understand it, so there shouldn't be much of a difference between those three languages. I guess it'd be more interesting to see any of those languages against Rust/Go/Node/...

[@TonyAlcast]

I appreciate so much the effort you put into this! Thank you.

[@AntonPutra]

my pleasure!

[@gggggggggghhhhoost]

I can only pray for your success and growth. Thank you for bringing more competition in dev tech with benchmarking :)

[@mptcz]

Killing it Anton! Thx for your hard work making these videos.

[@AntonPutra]

thank you!

[@isaacdruin]

Hey, just wanted to say that I love these! At some point, I would like to see a short course on the subject. Just working through test setup, things your take into consideration, testing codebase development, etc etc.

[@guibirow87]

Advice for future benchmarks, when you monitor apps built on languages with garbage collection (java, javascript, c#) you should also monitor gc collections, pauses and so on. This is is one of the biggest performance bottleneck on these languages.

[@AntonPutra]

Thank you. I'll include it in the upcoming benchmarks, though it may not appear on the main screen and will be shown at the end of the test

[@InXLsisDeo]

@@AntonPutra For Java, it's complicated because the JVM has several GC algorithms, and then there are several JVMs with different performance profiles, so you need to adapt to your application, which is time consuming.

[@alektobias]

Oh perfect! exactly what i was looking for!!!

[@AntonPutra]

my pleasure! 😊

[@gadgetboyplaysmc]

Waited so much for this!

[@hugodsa89]

I love how your videos are getting progressively and incrementally better and better each time. 👍🏻 Loving it. As an application layer guy this is stuff that I really don’t get as much exposure to, but would love to.

[@zuzelstein]

Антон герой нашего времени! :) Классно бы было проверить дикие, хайповые базы: 1) Surreal DB vs Edge DB (vs PostgreSQL для масштаба). 2) SQLite vs PostgreSQL

[@wayz9]

I would love to see how plain PHP, Laravel and Symfony app would perform. Great video as always. Keep up the good work!

[@AntonPutra]

thank you! i'll do php soon

[@whoeverseesthatbehappy2722]

​​@@AntonPutraplease, if possible, add to your list comparison between any javascript interpreter (bun/deno/node) and laravel octane. I would really love to see what superceeds - fixed amount of workers or event based exexusuon

[@lucsoft]

bun doesn't have that big of a leap it wants to claim, bun's benchmarks are really gaming

[@truongan354]

Benchmark is really gaming

[@7heMech]

In this case yep, but I've used Bun for the past few months and it's a really different DX, everything like installs, runs and tests happens instantly

[@lucsoft]

@@7heMech well same as deno lol, like in deno you don't even need a install step HTTPS Imports FTW! (bun lacks these, which is a big miss)

[@SAsquirtle]

gaming

[@AntonPutra]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[@svendpai]

I love these tests! so insightful

[@AntonPutra]

than you! will do more

[@Zizaco]

So up to 50.000 req/s Deno smashes the competition in terms of Client Request Latency all while being more stable. I will go with Deno. Thanks!

[@paulorodriguez6288]

amazing, lets not underestimate node just yet

[@oliverfoxi]

Having comments on graphs makes video more interesting. Thanks ❤

[@drtangent2018]

Damn... last time I saw your video about 2 weeks ago, I was thinking to comment about these 3... but for some reason I forgot to comment it, but you still made the video

[@everyhandletaken]

Very surprised to see Bun handle that many rps.. impressive.

[@UliTroyo]

Hey, nice to see your face! The quality of your videos is very high content-wise, and now it's also getting that stylistic polish.

[@MattBodman]

Great video! I don't understand how Deno can publish such different looking results. According to their latest marketing push, Deno beats Node and Bun in many metrics. Am I missing something or are the folks at Deno stretching the truth?

[@Zizaco]

Benchmarks are all about which metric you consider the most important. Deno got the best overall Client Request Latency. One could argue that's what matters the most. (Which depends)

[@albertmarzo]

YEEEESSS!!!! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO!!

[@PraveenYdvOfficial]

Nicely Explained with proof and visual. Loved it

[@VictorSanikovich]

Any chance to see comparison of Full Stack Frameworks such as: Laravel, Ruby on Rails, Phoenix ect...?

[@Luisintosh]

Awesome! I really liked this video, pretty interesting and better quality 👍

[@JT-mr3db]

Hats off to node for holding its own.

[@GolderiQ]

I’ve been telling you to use `deno serve -parallel` with the new syntax `export default { fetch(req): Response }` man!

[@AntonPutra]

I remember, I'll do a multithreaded benchmark as well

[@denetralize]

please do it for nginx vs caddy vs openresty lua vs golang

[@isenewotheophilus6485]

he did nginx vs caddy before

[@isaacdruin]

​@@isenewotheophilus6485people are so lazy. He's going to be testing some fringe tech in 6 months and some noobie is going to show up like "node vs bun, please!"

[@isenewotheophilus6485]

@@isaacdruin 😂😂😂

[@Gornius]

Lua vs go? They are not even comparable. I mean their purpose is totally different. One is compiled, garbage collected static typed language and the other is easy to embed dynamic language. It's like comparing shopping cart with airplane.

[@yoloopen]

@@Gornius openresty is sponsored by cloudflare to embed and run scripts inside nginx, they could somehow use Go instead if they really wanted, but they chose Lua. No two languages are the same, sure they're different, but you can use literally any language for any kind of task, and sometimes the results may be surprising. Golang borrowed multiple return from Lua btw. Also they both share the keep it simple philosophy.

[@ishaanmalhotra3008]

Thanks, I was really looking forward to this! I had high hopes for Deno 2, sucks that it doesnt perform as well.

[@wojciechosinski5927]

Same. It turns out they lied about benchmarks on their presentation. What a pity

[@Zizaco]

​@@wojciechosinski5927 it depends on which metric is the one being measured. Overall Deno performed better than Bun in Client Request Latency. One could argue that's what would matter the most in most use cases? So there's always a tradeoff (less memory/CPU vs client latency)

[@jiinyeongoh7458]

Deno and Bun are both real fast! But for now, I'll stick with Node.js due to its ecosystem. Regarding the Requests Per Second (RPS) result, Deno 2 showed slightly lower RPS compared to Bun, likely because V8 pointer compression is disabled in Deno 2. If this issue is addressed, Deno 2 could potentially match Bun's performance!

[@Mr.BinarySniper]

Yeah, I am also thinking this.

[@GrigorMinasyan]

He was using deno 2

[@alanwilliamduarte5617]

what do you mean by ecosystem? isn't bun and deno compatible with all npm packages? and run on all major platforms? what bun and deno does not have that nodejs have?

[@brietoe]

@@alanwilliamduarte5617 This is true.

[@eugeniorosario4509]

Thank you for the video, Bun did great, so I'll stick with it.

[@MrEvilGalith]

That's a lot of videos! I would very much appreciate a reminder at the beginning of videos stating that synthetic benchmarks like these ones are not representative at all of real world scenario. Each real situtation deserves its own benchmarks, taking into account its specific context and constraints. And I feel like in most real word situtations the differences displayed in these benchmarks are negligeable.

[@AlexanderBorshak]

Nice to see your face. Much better!

[@AntonPutra]

thank you!

[@nvictorme]

Fantastic and eye opening video. Very well done. Thanks.

[@AGAU1022]

Awesome. Thanks again.

[@SamerLOLOfficial]

Thank you for your videos, keep it up.

[@AntonPutra]

will do 😊

[@semihakyuz9033]

Great content, thank you. I'm curious about EncoreTS; is it as good as they claim?

[@PedrodeCastroTedesco]

Great videos! I get the impression that if I need an application that interacts a lot with a database, Node can be a good choice to some extent. Would it be correct to say that if my application only needs to process requests and interact with other APIs, bun performs better than Node?

[@Zizaco]

The persistence layer (database) will be the bottleneck in virtually all cases that need persistence. In these cases, optimization is all about slow db interactions as much as possible (caching, indexes, query optimisation). The 2ms difference of the runtime is negligible compared to all db ops.

[@VictorMongi]

Thank you from indonesia

[@kvancguckran7662]

This is the content quality that the people should be after.

[@HananoKairo]

The Great JS Clash shall begin!

[@YordanPetrov-hd9vz]

Hey great content thanks for the videos. Can you create a tests for spring boot servlet container tomcat vs jetty vs undertow ?

[@metinsut]

I hope your tests are fair, thanks for share

[@diobrandoggo7471]

Please be careful with Deno. Found some funny stuff for that. I created a small project for an interview using next js. And with then app router stuff. What happened is that I used curl to send a Delete request with Body to my app, but could not find the body as it only returns ReadableStream: false. Switched running to NPM and it just worked. It was just a simple logging the passed data. Soo again, just be careful

[@tsubasateacher]

Anton, you have 3 videos for Rust VS Zig. the latest video shows that Zig beat Rust but the other two are the opposite. Which video should I bring to my boss if I want to use Zig? 😆😆😆

[@BeeBeeEight]

The boss probably wouldn't care 😂. Anyway, Zig vs Rust is not very conclusive as both are system-level PL and non-GC. It's more accurate to say they run almost neck-to-neck. But there is definitely a greater possibility than Rust that anything built in Zig/C/C++ can have bugs because they have weaknesses in memory management, we don't need a devops benchmark to know that.

[@AntonPutra]

Whenever I get a PR with improvements, I rerun my tests, so I guess the latest one is the most accurate. However, it uses a Zig framework with the new io_uring Linux kernel feature, which is why it's better. I also got a PR with Rust support for io_uring, but it's using experimental flags. I would suggest going over the PRs in my repo and looking at the detailed improvements with benchmarks attached.

[@tungthanh4297]

love this

[@AntonPutra]

thank you!

[@darkoplax7688]

Drizzle vs Prisma ; with postgres

[@VikyWicaksono-z9v]

Terima kasih banyak bro 😊

[@SR-ti6jj]

You are the goat Anton

[@abcxyz7529]

Backend Javascript is like string theory. Created to solve a need no one had, exhausting vast mindshare of the developer community, dependent on shaky premises, millions of hours poured in to make it do something it wasn't designed for, all to end up as Golang with footguns at best.

[@justpatrick_]

People are still making money with them. You may not like their technical aspects but at the end of the day what matters is what you do with the tech

[@abcxyz7529]

@@justpatrick_ It's for frontend dev. And junior backend devs who think BE and FE TS are interchangeable. Large amounts of time spent by teams trying to make the concurrency model work. Promise today, no promise tomorrow. Servers crashing because it's not doing what it was designed to do, randomly crapping out on weird bugs with kernel syscalls. Then they finally give up, and hire my team to go in to migrate everything to Golang, C++ or Java. Suddenly everything is super boring because nothing ever happens because systems are doing what they are supposed to do. So they go off and find new systems to migrate to TS/JS to stay employed. Do they make money? Yes. Do I make money from cleaning up after their trash. Also yes.

[@somebody-anonymous]

Awesome! (I skipped ahead a bit to the tests, the first part was a bit technical for me for just casual viewing) Ryan said deno is also optimized for cold starts. I think bun has made claims about being able to install packages quickly as well. Maybe that could be part of a test?

[@buildingblockdev]

I'm glad to see your face. It feels more natural to watch your videos. I like your eyes though

[@jonatthu]

Keep this series please, use popular libraries with these same frameworks, prisma, drizzle, different redis clients!

[@GameBully2K]

I think of it he does it 🙌🙌 do you use k6?

[@AntonPutra]

no i use eks

[@RatonBroyeur]

Would have put one database by language to avoid cross contaminating your results. Otherwise, nice video as always !

[@skuwamy]

JS Devs will suggest 20+ frameworks and 20+ libraries.

[@AntonPutra]

It's always been like that 😊

[@phpn99]

Excellent. When you can : Erlang / Elixir vs alternatives for concurrency

[@roccociccone597]

go vs elixir would be very interesting

[@rstuv-0]

someone already did that and go won from elixer but C# was unbeatable

[@AlexanderMoon]

Thank you!

[@gectoktokot1087]

Haskell please? 🥺

[@ashish99311]

thank you 👍

[@stokbrood]

What if you run them with --parallel (I believe only Bun & Deno support this)

[@drith]

damn, good video

[@AntonPutra]

thank you!

[@r1nlx0]

that's interesting, I firstly though the memory between deno & bun would be almost the same (probably bigger than node). I though it's mostly because of the Typescript -> JS transpiler cache in both deno & bun, but turns out it might not because of only that in deno cases. I suspecting V8 memory fragmentation might be worst than JSCore (JSCore has much more simpler JSValue encoding than V8).

[@AntonPutra]

Thanks for the feedback. On a side note, I don't use TypeScript, just plain JS.

[@MAK_007]

tell us about the total bill for those machine usage as well

[@Hakanxyz]

Thanks for effort

[@MinhazurSarker]

Bun is based on uWS (uWebSocket)... What if we use uWS in node?

[@truongan354]

Node too uses uWS

[@slansky6626]

Hey, it would be nice to have a Spring Webflux vs Quarkus vs Golang benchmark, the last quarkus vs golang didn't show the breaking point of any of those. Thank you for this awesome job!

[@shine8171]

Using Spring Webflux on a real project I can tell you it is disappointing as we didn't see any perf better than classic Spring Web

[@James00026]

дино 2 должен же быть самым быстрым и эффективным судя по их графикам и пресс-релизу)

[@AntonPutra]

well i'm open to rerun the test if anyone can make it better 😊

[@julienlecoq3539]

@@AntonPutraNo, their charts on the press release do not use Deno 2. It’s an old chart with an old Deno version.

[@rubenchiquin3768]

I would love to see a benchmark of sqlite vs postgres!

[@SoreBrain]

I would be very interested in someone doing this but not just micro benchmarks

[@ibnurasikh]

Haha, this reminds me of the Fireship channel, where viewers often joke that it's AI-generated because the videos only use a voiceover.

[@AntonPutra]

😊

[@DarthEd77]

I would never use `--watch` with Deno in a production environment. That option/feature might be what's causing the higher latency in Deno?

[@LtdJorge]

Nah, I think --watch just uses inotify on the directory. So if there are no changes, it doesn't affect the program in the slightest.

[@DarthEd77]

@@LtdJorge Oh, good point. Yeah, I guess that's all right. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@code1866]

What do you use for animated diagrams? 🎉

[@AntonPutra]

adobe suite

[@samgraham6355]

Node did really well with Postgres

[@AntonPutra]

💯

[@garretmh]

They’re all using the npm Postgres package which is probably finely tuned for node.js (rightly so)

[@commonfolk663]

Brother! Correct lighting setup this instant :D Spare your eye and skin. Light should be higher and more dispersed.

[@AntonPutra]

🫡

[@safdar_azeem]

Bun crushes it! 🚀

[@Mr.BinarySniper]

🤣🤣 checkout previous benchmark. even slower then nodejs in reallife testing.🤣

[@AntonPutra]

😊

[@bcassol]

Yeah good to see that Bun performs better than node and deno. Jarred is just OP

[@justinnl4332]

@@bcassol yeah I am sure Jarred and his team works like crazy

[@Matty0187]

Can we see these with vertical scaling enabled. Rectangular scaling of 6 cores is better for cpu bound applications. Try it : 🙏🏻

[@conman7644]

It would ge interesting to do this with a bit more of a complex application. Which would need some more intricate test suite, but still...

[@diogo6115]

So what is the cons of Bun? It's better in every metrics, it may have some downside.

[@kanji_nakamoto]

Bun is the reason the Deno team shifted! Bun is taking over!

[@retakenroots]

Can you also provide real world applications that have this request load? Because if 90% do not then these metrics are less interesting

[@shyamg9374]

What was the total AWS Resource cost for this Performance test?

[@FlyWR]

You say and title the video postgres but the graphs say mongodb. A bait? Probably, but what was the actual db?

[@Ar3Schannels]

how do you generate those awesome charts?

[@arturoaguilera5167]

I chose Deno over Bun not just because of the usual claim, 'my runtime is faster.' The real reason is that, unlike Bun, the Deno team takes a more thoughtful approach to features. Bun releases features that no one asked for, including monkey patching.

[@navinkumarsahu1159]

Putra is a Sanskrit word the oldest language of the earth Putra basically means son ❤

[@gooddonuts9450]

And I thought he was an indonesian as putra is commonly used here in Indonesia lol

[@navinkumarsahu1159]

@@gooddonuts9450 Indonesia was very much connected and United with India before Muslim/Islamic invasion

[@TAINCER_]

7:05 How can deno drop request yet retain 100% availability?

[@LtdJorge]

It's being throttled by K8s, I guess it just returns 500 for those? Or the contrary, it may be returning a 200 but super late.

[@Zizaco]

Perhaps the number is rounded.

[@729usbow]

good thing you are a person and not an AI

[@prerit714]

I guess overall rust's memory safety at runtime is at work with deno when we compare it to bun or node causing it to have more latency. Great video though

[@AntonPutra]

thank you! will do

[@NabekenProG87]

What memory safety feature in particular though? A lot of the safeguards are just present at compile time and in debug mode. Bun and Deno use different JS engines (V8 vs Apples ???). Another possibility could just be the efficiency of the libraries in each language. I also heard that the Bun creator does a lot of micro-optimizations. Overall, I think there are a lot of reasons for the performance difference. Comparing 2 languages by the performance of their ecosystems is very hard.

[@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo]

@@NabekenProG87 yeah it has more to do with optimizations than underlying language. you can completely misuse a language and an objectively slower language could outperform in that scenario. it all comes down to optimizations.

[@LtdJorge]

Memory safety doesn't affect memory safety or performance, just denies compilation of incorrect operations.

[@o_glethorpe]

please, supabase x vercel x firebase x convex scalability vs price

[@AntonPutra]

noted!

[@wahidfeb]

php world please, laravel benchmark

[@ekmanhsieh]

🤣 Are you kidding

[@AntonPutra]

i'll do php soon!

[@kamurashev]

Cool

[@toddfisher8248]

Should do python vs ruby next!

[@AntonPutra]

It could be fun, last time, I got 3 to 5k RPS out of Django. 😊

[@SharunKumar]

The blurring on the first part of the video doesn't really hide much 😅

[@vipinfarswan6555]

PHP vs Node js

[@truongan354]

Bun vs java spring boot please

[@lucsoft]

💀

[@Alex.Shalda]

So node is the winner?! I guess so

[@AnkitSingh-fw1lk]

with database persistence layer