Denon PRIME 4 + STEMS Beta DEMO VS Virtual DJ and Serato Stems

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[@DTrackFinder]

Awesome advice, it’s not a secret that 90% of the DJs agree that playing the right song at the right time is the most important thing to rock a party 🎊

[@ronnybergersen]

Thanks Cleveland, great content as always. Not using the stems in Serato that much at this point anyway (have acapella in/out edits of most of the songs I play). But in time I'm sure it will be a useful tool in my belt. And then this will be fire I'm sure of it! But I'm really excited for the daylight mode, life saver on outdoor gigs.

[@DJAUDIO1]

It's great that we are at the dawn of stems of most DJ software. We will look at these days the way we looked at when we used SL1 boxes with Serato. Step by step process over time.

[@ClevelandTerry]

Exactly

[@konpadelic]

Yeaa but needs work

[@DJAUDIO1]

@karymenuau8240 That's the point. There needs to be an entry point, and it will evolve from there.

[@DJAUDIO1]

@@konpadelic Stems will get better with time on all systems.

[@horsemouth76]

Very grateful for this video. I’m excited for where Denon/Engine Prime is going. The fact that the Prime series has a powerful operating system means that it should be capable to do anything a laptop can do.

[@Reticuli]

Finally a way to get rid of cheesy vocals I sometimes encounter.

[@richardedwards3976]

I love the inclusion of the in-built sampler. This has to be the best 4 channel controller on the market hands down. Go Denon!!!🎉

[@RodrigoVolta]

We have to understand that there is a major hardware limitation when it comes to All-In-One equipment. Steam processing is extensive, especially when "on the fly". Requires CPU. The Prime 4's CPU is ARM and limited for use with Steam, so perhaps with a future hardware update it could be possible. In Serato and VDJ, processing is done directly on the computer, which for the most part has much more efficient hardware. Furthermore, the algorithm used by Serato and VDJ are very different from that used by Engine. I believe that only with new hardware will it be possible to have truly efficient Steam on standalone equipment. Or maybe if developers implement steams in EDJ Desktop and we do a pre-analysis and only then export to the device, in a more ready way. With the separate tracks, any device embedded with EDJ will be able to run steams without much effort, but of course, it won't be "on the fly".

[@chadnliz2k11]

Super cool potential, still think ultimately the Rane 4 has the tactile buttons to optimize stems in a gig situation. Big potential and exciting times.

[@soundinsurgent712]

I can wait for the stems but for the love of god release the daylight mode already!! ;-P

[@djfranklorenz]

Hi Cleveland, greetings from Germany. I really appreciate your work. Will there be daylight mode for the other engine units, e.g. numark mixstream?

[@bpmdjpro]

Yes, Daylight mode will come to all Engine DJ units later this summer

[@TheDJLab]

Sounds pretty bad, but so did everyone else during beta. I only wish the team would fix up the current little issues before trying to take on something new like this. The prime for was still the best controller ever made for Virtual DJ and even the makers of virtualdj agree so I don't know why they even wanted to bother trying to pull off mediocre stems on a standalone.

[@bboymac84]

It has to be better by the time final version come out

[@simonshields2525]

Its not even in Beta yet, its in Alpha, if that is such a thing? Stems wasnt supposed to be announced for a month or 2 when the beta was going to be released. I just have to give Denon full respect, they just keep pushing foward, PIONEERING dj tech in ways that put Pioneer to shame. It might not always be perfect but the fact they are trying to give djs what they want on standalone gear is commendable! Even having a sampler now is ground breaking which im sure will get better with updates. Cudos Denon DJ, keep doing what ya do!

[@spiritualFlavaRadio47]

Well gee Cleveland, I hope this will be available for my original Prime 4 😢. Otherwise thanks for your influence to InMusic

[@konpadelic]

Dont think so my friend, exclusive to the 4 + only

[@spiritualFlavaRadio47]

I'm not purchasing a prime 4 +, too much investing in the original.

[@ClevelandTerry]

We don’t know what we don’t know…

[@alexaddo3633]

Will it be available for Prime 2???

[@ClevelandTerry]

See my answer above.

[@DJTEDDY507]

Denon DJ and Engine IOS is always moving forward, and that’s the point. The company is always making improvements

[@Suntdy007]

Yo Terry! Do you remember before the launch of the original Prime 4? You was like nah man this ain’t gonna be nothing special 😂 how a few years can change the game - love the content bro. Appreciate it. I have the Prime 4, is worth me investing on the + in your opinion? I do love stems and would be great to have it standalone but you think us legacy prime 4 users will get this update (in your opinion) thanks bro

[@RogerCimon]

Warning! effects do not work with an external source ( line or phono )!

[@ClevelandTerry]

They were never supposed to. They are software effects not hardware effects.

[@nikitavoloskov9089]

Красава брат отличное сравнение,ты лучший!

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

Remember when they made 12" singles with instrumentals and accapellas ? 😅 Now it's called Stems and low resolution

[@ClevelandTerry]

Maybe it’s because they stopped making singles with instrumentals and acapellas?

[@darrendeep]

Hopefully they can bring this technology to the SC6000’s in the near future.

[@konpadelic]

I knew it, knew it had to be stems. Yeaaa boy. lol

[@hardkore360]

yeah boy!!! Stems on a dedicated controller with no laptop needed, the "industry standard" brought to you by Denon 😂😂😂😂

[@bpmdjpro]

Great video, CT!!

[@ClevelandTerry]

Thank you

[@AaronStrawn]

I really hope they make a Prime 2 + also, I'm doubting this will work with older hardware

[@miguelmorales4705]

Love the videos….Can you make one showing what Dj controller can be used with turntables…. Thanks

[@DJLEOdamadprofessor]

I excited to see the stems on the sc6000m and a smaller prime 4 or prime 2.2 cause the 4 it’s just too damn big

[@billpatterson9361]

Just bought this and the software is updated. But it's not showing stems on the screen and stems is supposed to be on 3.2! 😢 Anyone else?

[@louguzzo4977]

It beta. Wait til it works right, then buy the Prime 4 +. Still a great stand alone mixer!

[@bboymac84]

Thank you for day mode!!!! Took forever!!!

[@chriswrightspeaks]

When are they putting stems effects on Prime 4? I feel cheated

[@wikkidselekta]

The potential quality of the real-time sound separation will be dependent on the CPU. It needs A LOT of processing power. Now how old is the CPU in the Prime 4 & 4+ (same internals [Phil Morse verified it with DenonDJ])? Don't hold your breath, you need to attach an above average spec PC to get close to VDJ's 2nd stems version, or even Serato's first.

[@jabwana9946]

Blessings Bro.Is the Phono output better than the Prime 4 Pro? I am using two Technics SL1200 mk2. Thank You.

[@SNYPZTVGAMING]

Would you prefer the prime 4+ over the flx10? And if so why?

[@danielfontanes7339]

I bought the FLX10 and will be selling it for Prime 4+. The build quality is my biggest reason. Prime 4 (I originally had) was beefier and solid as the FLX10 Is more plastic. I still like serato best and will use this as a serato controller but this has built in redundancy if laptop goes missing or stops working….load up internal HDD and you have a back up

[@keithchegwin1222]

Fantastic videos 👍, I want to be a mobile wedding DJ. What software would you go for in 2023? I like to mix in a similar fasion to you. Can you help? Anyone? Thank you

[@officialrapprod]

thank you terry

[@hardkore360]

will daylight mode alao come to the Prime Go? I always put a little hood on the screen to help see the screen when im outdoors

[@ThisIsVersatile]

Why Virtual DJ stems sound the best? 😮

[@DJMeku]

I just hop the STEMS quality wont hit a hardware wall

[@djkeys415s]

Oh woww daylight Mode is key!!!!

[@flipdabeatz3578]

🔥🔥🔥

[@EnTuMenteDJ]

1º... Denon DJ Prime 4+, a fecha de este vídeo, no tiene Stems. Solo hay una beta super privada que ni siquiera activa los Stems en todos los Decks. Solo los activa en el Deck 1 (podéis comprobrar en este vídeo y en todos los que veáis, que solo está activo en el Deck 1). 2º... Denon DJ Prime 4+ no tiene botones dedicados para los Stems. Puede que en un futuro habiliten el Pad Mode 5 para poder manejar los Stems con los Pad Avanzados. 3º... Denon DJ Prime 4+ no tiene la potencia necesaria para mover los Stems a nivel Hardware. Solo puede moverlos por software. Lo que es equiparable a la versión 1.0 de Virtual DJ. 4º... Denon DJ Prime 4+ tiene el mismo hardware que la Prime 4. Esto quiere decir que tiene la potencia justa. Tan justa que es muy lenta analizando las pistas y provoca lageos cuando circula el espectro del audio.

[@daan1825]

there are a ton of websites that gives you accapellas in a perfect sounding version and its 1000% beter

[@ClevelandTerry]

True, but that’s not really the point though.

[@bboymac84]

Playlist search!! Please!! I hate doing an all search!! I just wanna search my playlist not my whole database!! 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@JohnSmith-kn5wt]

Denon is going to convert Terry from Pioneer sooner rather than later for his goto equipment.

[@ClevelandTerry]

You never know. 😀

[@juniorross5450]

Denon or in music just need to uncage Engine desktop from Engine OS, because Engine OS is holding back the capabilities of Engine Desktop. You get a sampler and everyone gets overly excited for something that been in other DJ software for many years. Frequency FX had been in Deckadance since v1.5 over 7 years. To top it off Deckadance DJ is the property of in music thru Stanton DJ. They should spend more time and resources in integrating Deckadance DJ codes into Engine Desktop to build a robust DJ software. Engine Desktop with stems would be much better than Engine OS with stems.

[@MadelnMachines]

Did engine stems improve?

[@ClevelandTerry]

😂 no

[@mixministermike]

Will Pioneer have a response? Opus Quad certainly seems powerful enough.

[@ClevelandTerry]

I’d love to see a daylight mode.

[@TerryBubbler]

Their response will be at an exorbitantly high price point. That is why Denon Dj is winning.

[@hardkore360]

Pioneer will release the Opus 2, with dedicated stems controls and charge you double the price 😂😂

[@JK-ej9xq]

Well, they released the Opus Quad with basically two main features: 1. FX controls on the touch screen with quantizer (wich is funny cuz Denon updated it's 4 year old Prime line with the same feature for free) 2. Bluetooth option to Sync the controller with your phone. With these two terrific features they sell the thing for 3200$, just imagine how much would it cost with Stems inlcuded

[@hardkore360]

@@JK-ej9xq in Mojaxx's recent video the Prime 4+ has a buletooth logo on the top right corner, Im sure its also coming in the next major revision

[@oldschooldjernie]

Another step away from having to use a laptop

[@hardkore360]

next gen gear is going to be out of this world, CANT WAIT!

[@oldschooldjernie]

@@hardkore360 Theres a online dj named Darryl Bennet who raved about his Both up lights being a game changer. What planet is he on? A game changer is being able to use stems without a laptop and using your controller to utilize streaming music without a laptop. Thats more of a game changer than up lights that work with Soundswitch. Hahahahah.

[@pweldon]

Where's the HDMI out?

[@ClevelandTerry]

On the prime 5 😂

[@pweldon]

@@ClevelandTerry Let's hope.

[@djpeteb6092]

Definitely a Beta, I would not buy it for its stems at this point. I like the device though but will remain with my 1000srt for now.

[@slopiijoe]

Hope it improves because it still needs work. But honestly I'd be ok with preprocessing my songs on the desktop before hand. Serato is still king of the stems

[@djkeys415s]

Virtual dj has the best stems!!!

[@djndgindagruv214]

Bro, honestly, there’s no comparison between the 3 and out of the 3 VDJ PRO’s is STILL THE KING and STILL IMPROVING which honestly I believe wholeheartedly that the P4+ WILL SURPASS SERATO in regards to STEMS and other features……what I would love, which I believe will be impossible would be that we can live stream/broadcast LIVE directly from our P4/P4+ like it’s easy to do in VDJ PRO….. I’m not holding my breathe and once again DENON DJ DOES NOT LET US DOWN by pushing the envelope in digital dj technology……way ahead of the game and if it gets near or even better than VDJ PRO…..I would seriously cut off the laptop AND dj softwares altogether👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@apexpredator_jku]

Beta is damn near comparable to RB's official release. VDJ is still the frontrunner imo & 2nd to none as far as integration with Denon hardware

[@DJPOPAAL]

Small jog wheels makes it look unprofessional. I did not like my first one, I definitely would NOT be buying this.

[@cbsdave3g]

Probably early stages but don't see it practical to quick use unless its on a pad button to quickly engage, turning on from touch screen is to slow to small to engage. It appears they made the controller without the ideal of stems and trying to add it to software version. nothing dedicated or labled on controller., Denon is so far behind technology.

[@hardkore360]

so far behind who? Serato doesn't have smart playlists. Analyzing files on Engine OS is also much quicker than Serato. You can also stream via Beatport, Soundcloud, Tidal, and your local laptop drives all via Wi-Fi connection. Good luck doing any of those on Pioneer gear 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@jacktumbouniversal2149]

I toldyou last tech thursday .... VDJ stems are out of this world ... a whole class better ... i was also surprised , as a serato user for like 7 years

[@djsupetown9499]

Vocal half way out and then mix If u. Ant hear that Then maybe be a promoter and not a dj

[@ClevelandTerry]

What are you talking about?

[@djsupetown9499]

VDJ will not can not be beat. Keep trying. They have and always will be a dub step in front. 🦾

[@shaunahmed4272]

Have you listened to Seratos stems… they are the ones in front!

[@ClevelandTerry]

They are both good and they are both useable.