I did not know he did so many things. I thought fans were angry because of him getting married as well. Thanks for making this video and let more people know the real reason.
@lmyyy89663 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your understanding TT
@lovelyelf4ever3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for understanding ELF situation!!! As an ELFs, we always hope our oppas can get married as long as they happy.
@TheLiquidMiracle3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking time watching this video!
@saltedfish21923 жыл бұрын
I remember the scandal... And same I also thought ELFs were mad bc he fell in love. I did not know he went as far as not participating in group activities, giving away his fans presents to his wife and using sj's name to promote his love life and his wife. I'm glad I watched this video. I did not know he was such an irresponsible, unprofessional, has no respect to the sj members and his fans, and a selfish person.
English translation (Please read the note at the end of this translation too) Hi everyone, this is Den. Today I prepared this topic related to SungMin for those who just get themselves into k-pop, especially for those who just started to stan SuperJunior. First of all, I would like to tell everybody that this video I created is unbiased/neutral, I did not mean to bring up this just to let fans to fight each other over this topic, nor to deny the efforts SungMin paid before. I just want to share about what are the thoughts of Korean netizens on SungMin’s matter. I would like to pinpoint the fact that I only refer and organize information from Korea sources, therefore, maybe there are some of the things aren’t match with what you guys might know (the truth). So, let’s get started. 14 Oct 2014: There’s media reported that SungMin will marry musical actress Kim SaEun on 13 Dec 2014. Although Kim’s company had denied the news, however, SungMin himself posted on official website admitting the news is true. At the beginning there’s controversy/debate in Korean fans circle, they were discussing on topics like “idol is getting married so the fans are angry” “is it true/correct that artists don’t have the freedom to marry?” But the truth is, Elfs are disappointed of SungMin because of various reasons. #1 Scandal: There’s rumor about SungMin dating Kim spreading in fan circles in 2014. For SJ’s sake, ELFs decided to remain silence. Later, there’s a few internet media reported this scandal, so a few ELFs commented in SungMin’s blog “For yours and SJ’s sake, can you don’t make it official (please secretly date)” SungMin deleted the comment and blocked the ELF. SungMin also liked a fan’s comment “For those want to leave can leave, those willing to stay will stay”. After that, there were lots of Elfs asked SungMin “Can you try to date secretly temporarily” But SungMin decided to date Kim officially in the public. Later, ELFs discovered that SungMin set “Against marry” as forbidden word in his blog. This caused the disappointment of Korean ELFs became huge. #2 Signature: After SungMin officially dated in public, SungMin changed the star he once drew in his signature for ELFs into Kim’s nickname (Mi). Actually the name “Mimi” was the name given by ELFs for SungMin, but SungMin used this nickname for Kim instead. Later ELFs also discovered, SungMin gifted Kim presents (watch, cap) given by ELFs to him, and SungMin used them as couple items with Kim. #3 Fan meeting: After media reported SungMin’s news to get married, ELFs really cannot take it anymore. Also, SungMin did not explained to ELFs about the matter, so ELFs were looking forward to the fan meeting in hope of SungMin will make a statement to ELFs. On the day of fan meeting, when ELFs talked about marriage or Kim’s related questions, managers stopped the fans and ask them whether they still want to get their signatures. SungMin was there when these situations happened but he did not had any response, he just signed like normal with the his new signature. #4 Leeteuk: In 2014, It was a hard year for leader Leeteuk when he was in his military service because he lost his father and grandparents. Leeteuk was in real pain and he was in depression and once had bad thoughts for himself. (the following part is what Korean netizens think are the truth but there is no exact evidence, if anybody know the truth, you are welcome to comment) Leeteuk was mentally unstable, but SungMin wrote letters to Leeteuk continuously, in hoping Leeteuk will agree with his marriage. There is also rumors about SungMin asked Leeteuk about his marriage when he went to pay his respect for Leeteuk’s family. #5 13 Dec: Starting from 2015, lots of SJ members starting to go for military services, that’s why SJ’s activities on late 2014 were very important to the group. However, SungMin decided to announced his marriage one week prior the release of SJ album (Mamacita), which brought negative impacts to SJ as a group. Although company and other SJ members trying to stop SungMin, however, SungMin wanted to get married “I want to get marry with Kim on the date of first day (13 Dec) we met”. 13 Dec was the day SJ having global tour concert in Japan. For SungMin’s sake, other SJ members flied back from Japan to Korea to attend SungMin’s wedding and then fly back immediately for the concert. However, SungMin himself did not flied back to Japan for concert, but he straight away went for honeymoon. #6 Request: Actually company, SJ members and ELFs asked SungMin for many times. ELFs “We are not against on the wedding, but if SungMin can go for military service and get married after his services, we will definitely give you our sincere blessings. If you really want to marry before military service, can you delay your wedding at least until all SJ activities and award ceremonies ended?” In the end, SungMin still got married in 13 Dec 2014. #7 Disrespecting other SJ members: SungMin posted his wedding invitation on the day Kyuhyun released his first solo album “At Gwanghwamun”. The day he admitted he was in relationship and getting married was a day before Donghae’s birthday. The news about Ryeowook will be singing on SungMin’s wedding was announced by SungMin’s relatives to the media. Although SungMin did said he will have his wedding ceremony in private, however, his marriage photos were actually got sponsored due to the fact that he was a member of SJ, that’s why most of the information such as photos, wedding venue and time were announced prior wedding. #8 Disrespecting ELFs: 8 April 2014, when SJ members attended a radio show, the show host Shindong was introducing messages from listeners, SungMin sent in a message “Hyungs please celebrate our house dog Kim MiMi’s 30 th birthday, Saranghae” SJ members immediately joked to respond “how can dog be 30 years old” it was very awkward. This is because SungMin was referring to Kim’s birthday (8 April). Also, SungMin requested his fansite-nim to help create a video for him to use in his wedding ceremony, he made fansite-nim like his own staff to do the job, and when he gave out wedding invitations, he said “I feel like it’s not good to let fans to join the ceremony” so he did not invited fansite-nim to his wedding despite fansite-nim helped him a lot. #9 SJ members apologize for SungMin’s sake: After so many things SungMin did, SungMin did not bother to explain anything to ELFs, he straight away went for military service. It was Heechul, Ryeowook and other members apologized to ELFs for SungMin. Before SungMin completed his military service, during SJ’s 11 th anniversary, SungMin uploaded a handwrite letter, saying he was sorry because he never had the chance to apologize to ELFs. #10 Kim: Unlike SungMin living in private, Kim attended various shows, continuously using the name of SJ to bring up topics. When people asked Kim about any plans for children, Kim said she will think about it after SungMin completed his military service and when SJ has established their position in Kpop again. June 2017, there was a fight between international ELFs and Korean ELFs, Kim liked a post on Instagram showing international ELF slapping Korean ELF. #11 Lysn: 9 th June 2020, ELFs requested for explanations but SungMin remained silence for long, however, on the second day of SJ K.R.Y. release their album, SungMin joined Lysn Bubble as SJ member, making ELFs very angry. As a conclusion, most of the ELFs decided not to forgive SungMin until now is not because he has a love relationship, not because of he married, but it’s because of SungMin’s selfish and disrespectful attitude towards other SJ members and ELFs. Lastly, no matter who liked SungMin before this or not, I believed these fans will still feel sad over this matter when they see these contents. So I hope this video will make those non-fans or those who not understand this matter have more understanding for ELFs who decided to not forgive SungMin. -Translate by @inoriya Note: Hi, this is Inoriya. I decided to translate this video because I think it’s fair for Korean and Chinese ELFs, to make those who don’t understand the situation especially international fans to understand. Den did not asked me for translation, I did it willingly and I am not native in English but Chinese therefore my translation is not perfect, please understand. Also, I have my own stand, but anyone who watches this video have their own freedom to have their own stand, my translation is just hoping to reach more people. If you decided to share my translation, I will be glad if you share with this Den’s video (he did great videos!) with this video link and do credit me @inoriya. Thank you for reading and please support SJ and Den! PS I will delete comments if anybody try to fight under this comment. SJ definitely don't consider people that are not peace as ELFs. Please respect others and this is the way other will respect you back. Please respect yourself and behave
@hooiwyee3273 жыл бұрын
up this comment thx for your translation~ Honestly I didn't heard Den being biased to side anyone, just mentioned some facts & info that been found, quite informative video and suitable for ppl like me who are not ELF~ (not fan but just someone who really enjoys SJ's variety show and I laugh hard everytime🤣🤣)
雖然不是死忠elf但也看SJ超過10年,以前還最喜歡晟敏…晟敏讓我死心的是他的改變,以前他一直說自己是在SJ中很中間的位置,不是說C位,而是年齡身高體重、唱歌跳舞能力、知名度等,讓他有時會找不到自己的定位,所以他很重視隊友,因為隊友的存在讓他找到自己的價值。我很理解他找到一個自己愛也愛他的人,他很想抓緊珍惜,但這個人很自私,也不為晟敏著想,甚至對晟敏說著洗腦他疏遠多年隊友的話,讓晟敏把她和自己放在高於隊友與事業的第一位,讓晟敏做著傷害隊友的事,自己亦對對SJ粉絲無禮嘲諷,而晟敏……不是對這些事情默許,而是在公開的言語行為間同意並支持妻子的所作所為。本來我曾經一直對晟敏抱著些許的期望,但最後被他在粉絲聊天室的「ke ke ke」給笑走了……給不理解的人,當時晟敏已結婚了,粉絲都在群組聊天室盡最後努力給他提議去修補與隊友和elf的關係,而金小姐卻在群組發表了侮辱嘲諷粉絲的說話,有粉絲請晟敏要對妻子的發言勸導一下,不然晟敏多年建立的形象都要被她敗光了,而當時晟敏回覆是韓文發音的「ke ke ke」……我不會說那些「粉絲是偶像的衣食父母」那樣的話,因為粉絲的購物只是偶像的其中一個收入來源,但粉絲把心掏出來去支持你,卻換來你與妻子這樣的說話,你瘋了嗎?
Dear English speakers who had decided to report this video without understanding Chinese, This video is unbiased which is supporting neither side. It simply states the facts and truth that everyone deserves to know. We don’t mind what your stance is after knowing the whole story and we are not accusing him of anything. So please stop saying that getting married is the reason for us to hate him. We totally believe your rights to like a person and so do us having rights to dislike them. Thank you very much!
@Jollybean973 жыл бұрын
Them or him?
@neverfond3 жыл бұрын
@@Jollybean97 them means the married couple IMO.
@reii-neko3 жыл бұрын
It does not state the facts entirely, only what has been circulating lol. We won’t know the truth because we are not them, and stories passed through word of mouth will always be modified at the end of the day. You know, like those games where people pass long sentences to each other in a line and it always changes by the time it reaches the last person :)
@JoanKSX3 жыл бұрын
Exactly the couple, Sungmin and Kim Sa-eun. This is most ELFS angry at their selfishness... not because they married. I think so. I'm not fans of Super Junior but as a non-fan if these are truth, this is ridiculous attitude from Sungmin, acting so recklessly.
@demonstechrotting3 жыл бұрын
@@reii-neko regardless of what the truth is, at least this video is unbiased and states them out for us to judge.